1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 09 Aug 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 441       Contents:5 Re: Authentication for outgoing TCP/IP Services mail? 3 Re: AWstats for SWS on OpenVMS working - here's how 3 Re: AWstats for SWS on OpenVMS working - here's how % Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP % Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP % Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP % Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP % Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP % Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP % Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP % Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP % Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP % Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP 0 RE: How do I find which ci addresses are in use? qman$master.dat - modifications # Re: qman$master.dat - modifications 1 TURKZEKA 2006/2  INTERNATIONAL PUZZLE COMPETITION ! Re: Updating firmware on DEGPA-TA & Re: VMS backup: competition from Apple& Re: VMS backup: competition from Apple& Re: VMS backup: competition from Apple& Re: VMS backup: competition from Apple& Re: VMS backup: competition from Apple  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:05:33 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Authentication for outgoing TCP/IP Services mail?, Message-ID: <ebcfht$rd2$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  T In article <CFtgCiUXTqlz@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes:] >In article <44D8E583.987E87DF@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  >> Hoff Hoffman wrote:H >>>    The RFCs are rather clear about not having MTAs connected to MSAs: >>> (for all that the RFCs can actually mean in reality -- >>   >>  I >> Sorry, but SMTP is meant to be a peer to peer protocol.  What it means G >> is that some clients use additional features of a server which other  >> clients don't use them. > B >Sorry, but it grates on me to hear someone use the terms "client"@ >and "server" and "peer to peer" in the same sentence as if they >were the same thing.  > D >SMTP is a client server protocol.  The roles are clearly delineatedB >and are not at all symmetric.  It is not "peer to peer".  And theC >ability to use optional extensions to a protocol hardly makes that  >protocol "peer to peer".  > F >Certainly, RFC 821 contemplates a store and forward messaging network >of cooperating peers. > = >However, what RFC 821 describes is a client/server protocol. > >(ETRN notwithstanding).  SMTP is not the whole banana.  It is= >just a transport protocol.  You could swap out the transport ; >protocol and still have a functionally identical messaging 	 >network.   O The SMTP protocol is a client/server protocol however some of the systems which - support that protocol can take on both roles. J eg An MTA will be the server when receiving Mail but a client when sending Mail. G MTA systems communicating can be considered to be peers even though the , protocol itself is a client/server protocol.  O Also an MTA receiving mail has no way of knowing from the protocol interaction  J whether the system connecting to it is another MTA or an MUA (or for that H matter someone telnetting into the smtp port and typing in the protocol 
 commands).      
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:04:32 +0100% From: "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> < Subject: Re: AWstats for SWS on OpenVMS working - here's how0 Message-ID: <12djqvf855dru07@corp.supernews.com>   Carl,   , Firstly, many thanks this is a great effort.M I've managed to get things up & running however all my stats are '0' and the  ) Last Update always shows 'Never Updated'.   M I've created the static pages and also tried it on the fly to no avail. I've  C peeked inside the .tmp files and they definitely have data in them.   K I feel I may have misunderstood your mods to the awstats.pl file. Sorry to  K be thick but could yo be more precise about where the new lines should be;  7 failing that perhaps you could email me a working copy.    Thanks.     4 "Carl Karcher" <wolf351@gmail.com> wrote in message < news:1154639124.070105.209660@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...- > There was a previous thread on this titled:  > ( > Is there a port of AWStats on OpenVMS? > R > <http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_frm/thread/d7b55bf1c1140c26/> > H > The answer now is YES, with only one minor change to AWstats.pl. TheseH > instructions have been tested with the following versions of software: > G > OpenVMS 7.3-2 (alpha), CSWS 2.1, CSWS_PERL 2.1,  PERL V5.8-6, AWstats  > 6.5 and 6.6-beta > C > 1. Follow the very good installation instructions for AWstats at:  > 2 > <http://awstats.sourceforge.net/docs/index.html> > D > You can use gnutar (from HP's GNV) to expand the files. Be sure toG > allow read access for apache to the created files (if you plan to run F > awstats under apache). One way would be to allow world RE access (if? > that fits your security requirements) by setting your default 5 > protection before using gnutar (set prot=w:re/def).  > I > The awstats_configure.pl script won't work on VMS but that's ok because F > they tell you the manual steps required. One thing to note is DO NOTF > place the perl scripts in a directory tree containing ODS-5 extendedI > file names! E.g. Make sure the directory names (for the entire path) do A > not contain any ^ characters. This is a bug in perl that's been  > submited to HP.  > A > 2. The installation instructions don't explain how to configure H > apache/mod_perl to execute perl scripts. Here are two ways to to that: > H > a. In mod_perl.conf, add the following lines to the end of the file toG > allow any file ending in .pl to be handled by modperl's perlrun (this + > may not meet your security requirements).  >  > # E > # Let any file with a .pl extension execute under ModPerl::PerlRun. G > # PerlRun is one of the several modperl 'handlers' to compile and run 8 > # perl scripts in a non-shared environment on the fly. > #  > <files *.pl> >        sethandler perl-script % >        PerlHandler ModPerl::PerlRun  >        PerlSendHeader On >        Options ExecCGI
 > </files> >  > OR > C > b. Add the following to mod_perl.conf (or in httpd.conf where you F > define the awstats scriptalias) to allow perl scripts to be run from# > the directory aliased to awstats:  >  > <Location /awstats>  >    SetHandler perl-script ! >    PerlHandler ModPerl::PerlRun   >    Allow from your.domain.only >    Options ExecCGI >    PerlSendHeader On
 > </Location>  > F > Before you go on, you should test that you can run perl scripts from8 > the awstats alias by copying a sample script (say from7 > apache$common:[perl]perl_rules.pl) to that directory.  > H > 3. Now you need to apply a minor modification (4 lines) to awstats.pl.E > Following is a comment I've put in awstats.pl explaining the change H > required (watch for line wrap - all the lines begin with the # comment
 > character):  > H > # When running under mod_perl, override exit function with return withI > # a return statement (it's not a function) adding the following 2 lines + > # immediately after this comment section:  > # / > #  use constant IS_MODPERL => $ENV{MOD_PERL}; I > # *CORE::GLOBAL::exit = IS_MODPERL ? sub {goto Return_NOT_exit} : sub {  > CORE::exit };  > # @ > #  AND add the following two lines to the bottom of this file: > #  > #     Return_NOT_exit: > #     return;  > # H > # Then an exit will jump to the label Return_NOT_exit and do a return. > Ugly% > # but I don't know of a better way.  > # F > # Exit kills the child process running mod_perl. The exit routine is: > # supposed to be overridden by mod_perl. Submitted to hpB > # as case 3215622699. To be fixed in an ECO to MOD_PERL targeted > # august 2006. > F > That's the only code change required. I've not submitted it as a bugI > since it's only necessary as a work around to bug in HP's mod_perl that  > should be fixed soon.  > 5 > 4. Almost ready to run it. Before running you must:  > " > $ define DECC$EFS_CHARSET ENABLE > D > Otherwise when files of the form *.tmp.nnnnnn (where nnnnnn is theD > decimal process ID) are created you will receive "error in versionF > number" since RMS thinks the version number is > 32K. Note that thisH > logical is already defined for the VMS apache environment (though it'sE > not required for awstats to run as a cgi) and is only required when + > doing an -update (reading the log files).  > E > If you are planning to specify awstats read the active log file you  > also will need to: > # > $ define DECC$FILE_SHARING ENABLE  > > > 5. Now, you can try to run it. Set your default directory to > ..wwwroot.cgi-bin and: > . > $ perl awstats.pl -update -config=yourconfig > H > You will of course need READ access to the log file you are analyzing.I > The result are files of the form awstats*^.yourconfig.txt. Keep in mind B > you must use -update on log files from the oldest to the newest. > A > There have been some performance improvements since the version F > mentioned in Alan Winston's book - it now takes under two minutes toE > process a 40 MB log file on an ES47/1000. If you have a cluster, be $ > sure to check out logresolvemerge. > D > 6. While you can produce a static report (.html file) as mentioned? > under "III. Run reports: Building and reading reports" in the D > installation guide you can also create them dynamically (the whole4 > point of this excersise) by specifying a url like: > 7 > http://your.site/awstats/awstats.pl?config=yourconfig  > H > which should work fine (after a little pause) if you've done everyting > correctly. > G > In doing this I found two bugs in awstats that have been submitted to F > the bug list. Both of them have to do with OS detection an result in7 > VMS not being correctly detected. See the bug report:  > U > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=113764&aid=1532637&group_id=13764  >  > --I > -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison = > --                      karcher+n0morespam@waisman.wisc.edu  >    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2006 08:49:52 -0700 ( From: "Carl Karcher" <wolf351@gmail.com>< Subject: Re: AWstats for SWS on OpenVMS working - here's howB Message-ID: <1155138592.216943.81810@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   issinoho wrote:   N > I've managed to get things up & running however all my stats are '0' and the+ > Last Update always shows 'Never Updated'.  > N > I've created the static pages and also tried it on the fly to no avail. I'veE > peeked inside the .tmp files and they definitely have data in them.  > L > I feel I may have misunderstood your mods to the awstats.pl file. Sorry toL > be thick but could yo be more precise about where the new lines should be;9 > failing that perhaps you could email me a working copy.   F So static pages also show zero's? If so I don't have any quick answer.G Try using -debug=1 (or higher) on along with the -staticlinks option to  see what's happening.   G If not (i.e. you only see zeros when you run awstats.pl under mod_perl) E then make sure the *.tmp files are readable by the server. I ended up F putting a default acl on the cgi-bin directory to make sure the output4 files were readable by apache. If not you get zeros.  ? Note that the mod to awstats.pl is only require to run it under E mod_perl (essentially changing exit to return). No changes are needed D to run it from the command line (e.g. for -update and -staticlinks).  G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison ; --                      karcher+nom0respam@waisman.wisc.edu    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:19:14 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk. Subject: Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP, Message-ID: <ebcgbi$rif$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  l In article <026501c6bb2d$94d3d1b0$2802a8c0@CHARONVAX>, "Peter Weaver" <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca> writes:N >I know this topic has come up in the past and HP has said that IE is broken, M >but that answer is like the guy being pulled out of his crumpled car by the  J >ambulance attendants saying "Sure I saw the transport truck coming at me 5 >with its brakes on fire; But I had the green light."  > I >So has there been any advancement on having the "HP TCP/IP Services for  N >OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.5" product produce a listing that IE would be happy J >with? I distribute files to my clients from my VMS box using FTP and one 9 >client complained that he could not use IE (clicking on  K >ftp://username:password@ftp.weaverconsulting.ca) to access my files so my  J >site MUST be broken since IE works with every other FTP site he has ever 	 >been on.  > M >So fine, HP is right, Microsoft is wrong, but I'm stuck walking my customer  N >through using the DOS FTP client because HP would rather be right than work. L >Very embarrassing for someone trying to show the world that VMS is a great  >product to use. > I If you don't use ODS-5 then try replacing DEC TCPIP's FTP server with the M public domain HGFTP from process. This allows you to tell the client that you H are running a Unix FTP server and hides the VMS details from the client.  L Hunter Goatley, the author, has promised that the next version will support K ODS-5 at which point I will probably be dropping my use of DEC TCPIP's FTP   server.    You can get HGFTP from    : http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?HGFTP    A For more information see the HGFTP Manager's guide available from   4 http://avmp01.mppmu.mpg.de/hgdoc/ftp_mgmt_guide.html    
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University      
 >Peter Weaver  >www.weaverconsulting.ca >CHARON-VAX  CHARON-AXP  >    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2006 08:00:34 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) . Subject: Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP3 Message-ID: <oeHh4$0t9W5+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <026501c6bb2d$94d3d1b0$2802a8c0@CHARONVAX>, "Peter Weaver" <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca> writes: > N > So fine, HP is right, Microsoft is wrong, but I'm stuck walking my customer O > through using the DOS FTP client because HP would rather be right than work.  M > Very embarrassing for someone trying to show the world that VMS is a great   > product to use.   B    Change of attitude:  you're showing them that Windows is a poor    product to use.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2006 06:03:05 -0700  From: bob@instantwhip.com . Subject: Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTPB Message-ID: <1155128585.371861.146800@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  C I don't have problem doing it with TCPware ... maybe you need a new  IP stack? :)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 09:37:01 -0400/ From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> . Subject: Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTPI Message-ID: <8660a3a10608090637n1df5fb65m4f04e1148f75b91d@mail.gmail.com>   = On 8/8/06, Peter Weaver <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca> wrote: N > I know this topic has come up in the past and HP has said that IE is broken,M > but that answer is like the guy being pulled out of his crumpled car by the J > ambulance attendants saying "Sure I saw the transport truck coming at me6 > with its brakes on fire; But I had the green light." > I > So has there been any advancement on having the "HP TCP/IP Services for N > OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.5" product produce a listing that IE would be happyJ > with? I distribute files to my clients from my VMS box using FTP and one9 > client complained that he could not use IE (clicking on K > ftp://username:password@ftp.weaverconsulting.ca) to access my files so my J > site MUST be broken since IE works with every other FTP site he has ever
 > been on. > M > So fine, HP is right, Microsoft is wrong, but I'm stuck walking my customer N > through using the DOS FTP client because HP would rather be right than work.L > Very embarrassing for someone trying to show the world that VMS is a great > product to use.  >  > Peter Weaver > www.weaverconsulting.ca  > CHARON-VAX  CHARON-AXP >  >   , Have a look at FileZilla while you're at it. The price sure is right.   WWWebb   --   I'm job-hunting, folks. < Any leads or referrals would be most gratefully appreciated.1 Unsolicited commercial email, however, would not.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 06:56:59 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>. Subject: Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP) Message-ID: <op.td0ro9bktte90l@hyrrokkin>   7 On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 19:17:50 -0700, David J. Dachtera   # <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> wrote:   I > I may someday, "in my copious spare time" as a former co-worker of mine E > would say, put up either Apache for VMS or the follow-on product (I D > forget what it is) on that box, but best not to hold one's breath.  B I use hgftp and WASD running on 7.3, 7.3-1, 7.3-2, 8.2 and 8.3 andF no problem.  It may be significant that WASD was designed for OpenVMS;! whereas, Apache was for BSD, IIRC    --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 10:56:47 -04003 From: "Peter Weaver" <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca> . Subject: Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP6 Message-ID: <00cb01c6bbc4$0a1e7470$2802a8c0@CHARONVAX>   ----- Original Message -----  . From: "Hoff Hoffman" <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> >...- >   But what was the command, the error, etc?   A As mentioned in the original post, the "command" was clicking on  M ftp://username:password@ftp.weaverconsulting.ca. The error is rather hard to  M show since it is on a GUI and this is a text only newsgroup. Basically every  M file shows a timestamp of 01/01/1980 12:00PM, files with short names show up  M with the size (in blocks), date, UIC and protection as part of the filename.  K Long filenames show only the filename with another file below that shows a  3 name built from the size, date, UIC and protection.    >  How is the site set up?  H As mentioned in the original post "HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha L Version V5.5" but I did not mention that this is on an OpenVMS V8.2 machine  with ODS5 disks.  % > Which version of Internet Explorer?    I.E. 6   > Of TCP/IP Services?   I As mentioned in the original post "HP TCP/IP Services for  OpenVMS Alpha  
 Version V5.5"    >  What was the URL used?   " As mentioned in the original post / ftp://username:password@ftp.weaverconsulting.ca   # >  Forward slashes, or backslashes?   " As mentioned in the original post / ftp://username:password@ftp.weaverconsulting.ca   L >   I pinged your site via Internet Explorer earlier today, and bumped into J > a requirement for a username and password; there's no anonymous access, 
 > apparently.   J Right, this is only for supported customers to pick up their license keys  and software updates.   / >   Also found the following over at Microsoft:  > / >     http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=135975  > M >   And the following URL over there indicates Microsoft doesn't support FTP  F > connections into "VAX or VMS FTP servers", at least in the older IE  > version cited: > D >     http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;266389 > K >   And does Mozilla Firefox, or FileZilla (both GUIs, obviously), or some  ) > other tool work with the same sequence?   J I don't know, all I know is that I had a customer complaining that my FTP K server is broken because HP knows that MS ignored the RFCs when they wrote  D IE but HP stands firm and tells us to complain to MS. If I remember K correctly Process provides a logical that can be set to tell their TCPWare  G FTP server to present listings in a Unix way just for this problem. HP  H should be able to do the same thing instead of telling us that they are  right and MS is wrong   I >   I don't know off-hand if the OpenVMS EFS/ODS-5 or other more current  F > work has allowed compatibility with the Microsoft Internet Explorer  > implementation.   L This is on a ODS5 disk, but I have to make sure I do not use ODS5 filenames D since the FTP server does not play well with names like "CHARON-VAX 9 3.1.62.exe" as Steven M. Schweda pointed out in his post.    --   Peter Weaver www.weaverconsulting.ca  CHARON-VAX  CHARON-AXP   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 10:58:33 -04003 From: "Peter Weaver" <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca> . Subject: Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP6 Message-ID: <00cc01c6bbc4$49566260$2802a8c0@CHARONVAX>   ----- Original Message -----  , From: "Steven M. Schweda" <sms@antinode.org>   >...D >   Unless things have changed lately, MSIE expects a UNIX-like "ls"I > format for the FTP LIST command, and the TCPIP FTP server doesn't offer  > one. > I >   As for EFS/ODS-5 helping, as of "HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha J > Version V5.4 - ECO 5", it only gets worse with ODS5 extended file names.J > The server provides a (DIRECRORY-format) listing with caret-escaped fileI > names, but it will not accept those caret-escaped file names in RETR or  > STOR (get or put) operations.  > I >   It's hard to be enthusiastic about a program which can't read its own 	 > output.  > I >   But I tend to run older sorftware, and maybe everything's better now. $ > (Oh, I crack myself up sometimes.) >...  L You are very right, it is extremely hard to be enthusiastic about a program G which can't read its own output. "HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha  K Version V5.5" still has the same problem with ODS5 filenames and I have to  3 manually rename everything I put in that directory.    --   Peter Weaver www.weaverconsulting.ca  CHARON-VAX  CHARON-AXP     ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:03:13 -04003 From: "Peter Weaver" <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca> . Subject: Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP6 Message-ID: <00ce01c6bbc4$f084b190$2802a8c0@CHARONVAX>   ----- Original Message -----  " From: "John Santos" <john@egh.com> >...D > Is IE broken for attempting to use LIST for something it was neverD > intended for?  ***YES***  (with fewer asterisks, since they reallyF > don't have a choice.)  Is IE broken for not supporting VMS directoryD > format?  **YES**; they are just lazy.  Other graphical FTP clientsE > (e.g. WS-FTP do it.)  If you are going to violate the RFC, at least  > do a decent job of it. > C > Is HP TCP/IP broken for not providing LIST output in Unix format? F > No, it is in strict compliance with the RFC.  *HOWEVER*, they shouldB > do it anyway, while splashing around huge red warnings that they0 > are negotiating with terrorists when doing so. >...  > Yes, thank you for putting what I was trying to say so nicely.   --   Peter Weaver www.weaverconsulting.ca  CHARON-VAX  CHARON-AXP   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:10:56 -04003 From: "Peter Weaver" <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca> . Subject: Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP6 Message-ID: <00d201c6bbc6$03e7f610$2802a8c0@CHARONVAX>   ----- Original Message -----    From: <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> >...K > If you don't use ODS-5 then try replacing DEC TCPIP's FTP server with the L > public domain HGFTP from process. This allows you to tell the client that  > you J > are running a Unix FTP server and hides the VMS details from the client. > F > Hunter Goatley, the author, has promised that the next version will 	 > support L > ODS-5 at which point I will probably be dropping my use of DEC TCPIP's FTP	 > server.  >  > You can get HGFTP from > < > http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?HGFTP >  > C > For more information see the HGFTP Manager's guide available from  > 6 > http://avmp01.mppmu.mpg.de/hgdoc/ftp_mgmt_guide.html >...  L I should have thought about HGFTP, I installed it at one customer's site to I implement some strange security rule their PC group came up with. All my  H disks are now ODS5, but since the FTP server in "HP TCP/IP Services for K OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.5" doesn't play well with ODS5 filenames I always   rename the files that I serve.   --   Peter Weaver www.weaverconsulting.ca  CHARON-VAX  CHARON-AXP   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:01:06 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> . Subject: Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP9 Message-ID: <kqqdnZIfb_2vjkfZnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@libcom.com>    Peter Weaver wrote:   G >>   And does Mozilla Firefox, or FileZilla (both GUIs, obviously), or  / >> some other tool work with the same sequence?  > H > I don't know, all I know is that I had a customer complaining that my  > FTP server is broken  F I haven't tried alternatives, but if they all work with VMS's TCP/IP, H then convincing the customer that it's Microsoft that's broken would be  my preference.  :-)    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:17:40 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> 9 Subject: RE: How do I find which ci addresses are in use? T Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401873D89@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----@ > From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.no@spam.comcast.net]=20 > Sent: August 8, 2006 10:20 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ; > Subject: Re: How do I find which ci addresses are in use?  >=20 > Jeff Goodwin wrote:  > >=206 > > "syslost" <wm.reynolds@gmail.com> wrote in messageA > > news:1155071561.900712.270150@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... B > > >I have a VAX VMS v6.2 CI cluster, with 3 local nodes and 3=20
 > at a remote A > > > site.  I have 12 pairs  of hsj50 controllers.  I want to=20  > add two more@ > > > hsj50 pairs to the cluster.  I know how to see which ci=20 > node the hsj50s < > > > are using, but how do I find out what other ci node=20 > numbers are in use? > > > in the cluster (each VAX 7000 hasa three cixcd adapters)?  > > >  > >=20 > > $show cluster/cont
 > > add rport  >=20- > Yes - that will display what is *IN* *USE*.  >=20A > If there are any obsolete or other non-operating nodes still=20 
 > attached to E > the CI, be aware that other node numbers may be configured on them.  >=20 > --=20  > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ >=20  A Also, remember to ensure unused CI ports in the star coupler have  terminators on them.  H Un-terminated CI port connections on star couplers are a great source ofD intermittent issues and errors that are extremely difficult to trace down.    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 09:35:26 -0400 + From: Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> ( Subject: qman$master.dat - modifications5 Message-ID: <ebco9o$vvk$1@mailhub227.itcs.purdue.edu>   2 How do I get these entries out of qman$master.dat?   Thanks in advance.    H Printer queue TCPIP$LPD_IN_DIAMND_1, stopped, on BBRUTH::, mounted form  DEFAULT   H Printer queue TCPIP$LPD_IN_FTBASE_1, stopped, on BBRUTH::, mounted form  DEFAULT    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:11:05 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>, Subject: Re: qman$master.dat - modifications1 Message-ID: <Z1mCg.1750$af6.441@news.cpqcorp.net>    Chuck Aaron wrote:4 > How do I get these entries out of qman$master.dat? ... J > Printer queue TCPIP$LPD_IN_DIAMND_1, stopped, on BBRUTH::, mounted form 	 > DEFAULT  > J > Printer queue TCPIP$LPD_IN_FTBASE_1, stopped, on BBRUTH::, mounted form 	 > DEFAULT   H    A distinction that is important on OpenVMS, as "entries" has meaning H in this context.  Those are "queues", and not "entries".  The "entries" 5 are the tasks that "queues" are requested to perform.   >    The brute-force and simplest approach to delete a queue is:      DELETE/QUEUE [queuename]   A    But as these are TCP/IP Services queues, I'd also look at the   documentation over at H <http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732final/6526/6526pro_050.html#start_que>I and ensure any other cruft related to these queues gets cleaned up, too.  H   (The documentation unfortunately shows how to create a queue, and not B delete it.  I'd likely only go as far as finding and deleting the D temporary area for the queue, assuming there is no other active LPD  queue using it.)  H    If LPD is running, you'll obviously want to shut it down.  The above 5 URL has the sequence: @SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$LPD_SHUTDOWN    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2006 01:16:47 -0700 ( From: "turkzeka" <turkzeka@turkzeka.com>: Subject: TURKZEKA 2006/2  INTERNATIONAL PUZZLE COMPETITIONC Message-ID: <1155111407.084867.171420@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   1 TURKZEKA 2006/2  INTERNATIONAL PUZZLE COMPETITION   C - TurkZeka 2006/2 Puzzle Competition is going to start at 12 August  2006 22:00:00 GMT.  F - Competition (semi-annual : twice per a  year) consists of 10 puzzles and open to all country.  F - Competitions will be published in four languages: Turkish,  English, German and Japanese.  > - New puzzles will be posted bi weekly on Saturday at 22:00:00 GMT(Greenwich Mean Time).   D - Certificates will be sent by e-mail to the Top 10 competitors with1 the highest points. There are no rewards besides.   ( For more information about competition :2 http://www.turkzeka.com/zeka/comp05/q/comp0511.asp  & Site Address : http://www.turkzeka.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 09:02:33 -0400C From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> * Subject: Re: Updating firmware on DEGPA-TA8 Message-ID: <e1lCg.4545$Uq1.4079@bignews6.bellsouth.net>   PS  " This is not as simple as you thinkI The Firmware loader CD does not include anything as far as I can tell for 	 the DEGPA K Pretty much everything else IS included - just my luck as I have 100 pieces  to do !    DT   --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X251  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@islandco.com Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   F "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> wrote in: message news:hq0Cg.7146$dQ4.1578@bignews1.bellsouth.net...H > Anyone know how to do the firmware update (or at least anyone know the file- > name and where to find it) for the DEGPA-TA  > Old style Gigabit card?  >  > David  >  > --   >  > David B Turner > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 > Savannah GA 31404  > Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 > Cell: 912 447 6622 X251  > Fax: 912 201 0402  > Email: dbturner@islandco.com > Web: http://www.islandco.com' > ===================================== > > All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions0 > of sale. These should be read before ordering.' > http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html  >  >    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:51:03 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk/ Subject: Re: VMS backup: competition from Apple , Message-ID: <ebci77$s8u$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  h In article <44d9131c$0$24190$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: > - ><david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote in message  ' >news:eba0rd$66h$1@south.jnrs.ja.net... M >> In article <44d868fc$0$24210$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, "Neil Rieck"  ! >> <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: = >>>"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message ) >>>news:44D823BB.8EE02AD7@teksavvy.com...  > 
 >[...snip...]  > M >I was recently reminded that Intel CPUs have gone from 2,000 transistors to  4 >300 million in 25 years. A growth of 150,000 times.7 >http://zdnet.com.com/1606-2_2-6102651.html?tag=nl.e622 K >so it doesn't matter if people think they'll "need" this amount of power,  N >software will fill the available resources. Moore's law will continue but it F >will do so with cores 'n cache rather than increasing CPU complexity. > H The shrinking of chips and increasing numbers of transistors pretty muchC provided extra processing power without any major software changes. E Increasing the number of cores only increases the processing power if   3 1) You have more programs running at the same time   orK 2) Individual programs can be altered to run things in parallel on multiple 
    cores.   N Although techniques for sqeezing parallelism out of applications have improvedH over the years it is still difficult to get much parallelism out of most desktop applications.   B Up to about 8 core machines might provide benefits. In exceptionalO circumstances you might be able to use slightly more, so since the numbers will M probably go up in factors of 2, an argument might be made for producing a few N machines with 16 cores even though users might only ever really be using about 10.   L But 32 cores ?  I'd imagine that that would be well over the SMP performanceI peak for desktop use. The performance improvement of adding in the extra  = cores against the scheduling overhead would gain you nothing.       
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University           >    ### > G >Getting back to Apple, I understand that the MacPro is employing Xeon  H >processors which we have been told all along are only meant for use in N >servers, not desktops. And yet I'll bet Apple will sell a bunch of them. And J >Intel will happily comply. And everyone else will wonder why they didn't H >push this idea first. (I understand that Dell was already selling Xeon 3 >desktops but they weren't marketed to the masses).  >  >Neil Rieck  >Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, >Ontario, Canada. 9 >http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html : >http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2006 06:00:52 -0700  From: bob@instantwhip.com / Subject: Re: VMS backup: competition from Apple C Message-ID: <1155128452.672820.158060@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>    david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:  > + > What will a desktop PC do with 32 cores ? 2 > What 32 things will it be running concurrently ?  C thats the solution for the x86 boat anchor ... run cpus because the  cpu itself stinks ...   < thats what sun and other vendors had to do to compete with a single alpha chip ...   E when your chip stinks and you are out of ideas, run 80000 of them ...   < ibms power 6 blows this crap away, and alpha could have been9 there also except a bunch of suits who know nothing about ? computer engineering has dumbed down the IT world ... pathetic!    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Aug 2006 07:54:54 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) / Subject: Re: VMS backup: competition from Apple 3 Message-ID: <yb1TO3vkKKMj@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <44d868fc$0$24210$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:< > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message( > news:44D823BB.8EE02AD7@teksavvy.com...K >> Apple is having its litte party in San Francisco. Announced for its next D >> version of the OS: a new backup technology called "Time Machine". >> > [...snip...] >>C >> And while HP apologists may still be supporting that IA64 thing, C >> consider how quickly Apple has transitioned to the 8086. Its new G >> machine, the MacPro completes its transition in some 220 days. (less B >> than a year for full product revamp of their servers, desktops, >> laptops). >>K > If memory serves, last year Steve Jobs admitted Apple had been running an M > Intel "skunk works" for more than 5 years. So the time-frames you reference  > may not mean what you think.  H    In fact, the OS X kernel (Darwin), was running on x86 when OS X first.    shipped, and that was publically discussed.  D    Not suprising that a BSD style UNIX sitting on a Mach microkernelH    should readily run on x86.  I wonder who authorised the skunk work to>    port the rest of OS X years before the decision to make the$    transition in production systems.  !    Emerald:  Digital had it then.    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:05:37 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk/ Subject: Re: VMS backup: competition from Apple , Message-ID: <ebcq3h$1g2$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  _ In article <1155128452.672820.158060@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes:  >   >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: >>, >> What will a desktop PC do with 32 cores ?3 >> What 32 things will it be running concurrently ?  > D >thats the solution for the x86 boat anchor ... run cpus because the >cpu itself stinks ... > = >thats what sun and other vendors had to do to compete with a  >single alpha chip ... >   D Come off it Bob. Alphas EV8 was heading down the same path of adding@ performance by increasing the number of concurrent threads that A could be run - it's just it was using hyperthreading rather than   multiple cores.   F >when your chip stinks and you are out of ideas, run 80000 of them ... > = >ibms power 6 blows this crap away, and alpha could have been : >there also except a bunch of suits who know nothing about@ >computer engineering has dumbed down the IT world ... pathetic! > 0 Power has been dual core since at least Power 4.    
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:37:42 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> / Subject: Re: VMS backup: competition from Apple 9 Message-ID: <kqqdnZMfb_0qkEfZnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@libcom.com>    david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:   + > What will a desktop PC do with 32 cores ? 2 > What 32 things will it be running concurrently ?  , The short answer at this time, I don't know.  G The long answer, I've always considered the proper job of a PC to be a  E user interface, with background server(s) providing storage, compute  H cycles, and such.  The problem is that today's PCs really don't do well G as a user interface.  I envision such as an AI which learns it's user,  B anticipates it's user, and handles the interface to the server(s).  H Such a user interface would go far beyond the keyboard and mouse.  Such G a user interface would have many complex tasks.  Such a user interface  / just might need a decent number of those cores.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.441 ************************