1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 12 Aug 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 447       Contents: Re: CFD - software GnuPG 1.4.5 for VMS # Re: HP Test Drive sub-network dead?  Re: I should'a known better! Re: I should'a known better! Re: I should'a known better! Re: I should'a known better!& Re: jEdit Modes file for DEC Document?L Re: SWS-2.1 file formats. Was:Re: VMS 7.3 vs 8.x - java in HTML files,  Hmm.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:03:29 -0500 + From: brandon@dalsemi.com (BRANDON, JOHN M)  Subject: Re: CFD - software 1 Message-ID: <06081208032925@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    bill@cs.uofs.edu Writes:  J > Don't you love when these engineer types start telling you what you need > in your computer room? > K > We had a problem with humidity. High humidity was causing excessive paper H > jams in the printers.  At first they told us that we were wrong and itM > wasn't humidity at all.  Finally we got them to put in a monitor to measure I > the humidity over time on one of those little circular chart recorders. I > Turned out the humidity was high.  Want to hear their suggestion to fix L > the problemn?  Turn the air conditioning temperaturei in the computer roomM > up.  They figured that around 80 the humidity would no longer be a problem.   : 80... hmmm... or more like... gawd, you got to be kidding!? Our facilities calculated the A/C tonnage wrong - they just now C realized that we are N+0 - an A/C unit is on order...  **it happens   L We use to have one of those temp/humidity circular chart recorders.  It doesM not do much good when no one changes the paper!  We replaced all of that with J LINKTH sensors (www.ibuttonlink.com) - we mfg the parts they (ibuttonlink)P package and markets the product.  It is a serial device (ASCII text in/out) thatN we can attach to a DECserver or server serial port (DB9).  I have a DCL scriptK that captures the data from the sensors (14 of them), processes that data - M looking for threshold violations - and logs it for tracking purposes.  It has O been very helpful in trending our datacenter environmentals.  --- shamless plug N but what the hell --- if you are not monitoring your datacenter environmentalsM then you should - and for a couple hundred dollars you can.  Check it out and - if anyone is interested in more, let me know.          John "REBOOT" Brandon  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:48:39 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: GnuPG 1.4.5 for VMS2 Message-ID: <06081209483933_2027FAC5@antinode.org>  F    Anyone interested in GnuPG (1.4.5) for VMS (or merely desperate for& entertainment) might wish to consider:  +       http://antinode.org/dec/sw/gnupg.html   3    No bets, but, as always, complaints are welcome.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Aug 2006 03:18:14 -0700  From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>, Subject: Re: HP Test Drive sub-network dead?C Message-ID: <1155377894.243091.112730@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   F http://www.testdrive.hp.com and  td183.testdrive.hp.com  (VMS I64 V8.3 !) are  available today :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:44:29 +0200 ( From: Michael Kraemer <M.Kraemer@gsi.de>% Subject: Re: I should'a known better! / Message-ID: <ebk0s2$p32$03$1@news.t-online.com>    Neil Rieck schrieb:  > O > Sounds like the story of Ali-baba and the forty thieves. What was that magic  % > phrase again? Oh yeh, "Open Sesame"  >   = story reminds me of that episode where Al Bundy was searching % for some spare part for his Dodge ...    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Aug 2006 02:36:35 -0700  From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>% Subject: Re: I should'a known better! B Message-ID: <1155375395.877296.110090@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>  A It never was easy to buy from DEC and it appears parts of hp have D caught the Digital Disease. It is cruicial for a company that peopleG can buy from them. Many companies manage to make it easy and many screw E it up. Find yourself a decent reseller and help them stay in business  by buying from them often.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:55:35 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> % Subject: Re: I should'a known better! < Message-ID: <44ddb27b$0$24180$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  , "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> wrote in message < news:1155375395.877296.110090@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...C > It never was easy to buy from DEC and it appears parts of hp have F > caught the Digital Disease. It is cruicial for a company that peopleI > can buy from them. Many companies manage to make it easy and many screw G > it up. Find yourself a decent reseller and help them stay in business  > by buying from them often. >   > There have been so many changes in the last 5 (or more) years:! 1) you can now buy stocks on line " 2) you can do your own web-banking, 3) you can buy car + house insurance on lineB 4) you can compute and then submit your income tax returns on line4 5) you can do 98% of a car or house purchase on line< 6) you always could purchase many PCs and PC software online   etc. etc. etc.  L So how can it be that any OpenVMS customer can't go to a public web site to L view the MSRP of licenses? It's no wonder LINUX is taking over, you just go J over to the RedHat site and you're two links away from down-loading a DVD  image.  	     #####   J A few years back I approached my superior with an idea to support both HP I and "OpenVMS engineering" by finally (after 15 years) getting a software  J support contract for OpenVMS as well as our layered products. My story is H somewhat similar to the original posting by Doug Phillips: I phoned the M sales team designated to support my employer but they didn't know what I was  H talking about AND didn't recognize the publicly published part number I 9 provided to them. It took us 2 weeks just to get a price.   I Until Doug's posting I just assumed that my experience was related to HP  K going through a post-merger transition but I now realize that FUBAR is the  K standard mode of operation for HP sales. Many stock brokers were displaced  L by the webification of their business but this changeover was inevitable. I L now feel that OpenVMS sales people have been given too many chances to drop 5 the ball and it is now time to webify their business.   J p.s. since then, I've discovered a few links that helped to lead me to an * OpenVMS support contract for VAX or Alpha:2 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/swcat/us/swprodlibs.html: http://h18000.www1.hp.com/emea/software/uk/swprodlibs.html, http://h30266.www3.hp.com/SPLofferings.shtmlM Integrity is suspiciously absent from these lists so I'm assuming that those  ( prices are negotiable with new hardware.4 I've never seen prices for layered product licenses.  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:35:26 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG% Subject: Re: I should'a known better! 0 Message-ID: <00A5A17B.1B13E12F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  s In article <1155319120.192982.155550@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> writes:  >  > E >Warning: A lengthy and what some might consider off topic narrative. H >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > F >How much time should one waste trying to buy a $298 piece of paper? AB >two-user license for something that is no longer being developed:# >Advanced Server for OpenVMS Alpha.  > G >Stupidly, I called HP and wasted at least one hour. Having experienced H >a couple of decades fighting (DEC) licensing issues I should have known" >better, but hope springs eternal. > B >After searching for a way to order on line, I called HP, with theF >product list and SPC web pages before me showing the part numbers andB >price, and navigated through the menu... (here's an abbreviated &) >paraphrased version of the "experience")  >  >-- E >Machine: please hold for the next available representative --- (line 7 >opens,  people talking in the background, time passes)  >  >Person1: Can I help you?  > E >Me: I'd like to buy a 2 user licence for Advanced Server for OpenVMS  >Alpha, part number QM-5SUAA.  > @ >Person1:(keys clicking) Sorry it's taking so long, everything's >running real slow today.  > 8 >Me thinking: (???? And you're telling me this why ????) > ( >Person1: I can't find that part number. > D >Me: (repeated part number) There's a dash suffix; try either -AK or! >-AB after the number I gave you.  > F >Person1; Oh, did you say QM? I thought you said 3M, just a minute....F >no, I don't see that, what was it again? Sorry, I'm not having a very
 >good day....  > & >Me thinking: (Hmm, Eeyore or Marvin?) > 1 >Me: (repeated part number spelling phonetically: G >Quebec-Mike-Hyphen-Fife-Sierra-Uniform-Alfa-Alfa, and repeated product  >name using best radio voice)  > @ >Person1: Oh, I'll transfer you to someone who can help you with	 >OpenView  >  >Me: No, not OpenView, OpenVMS.  > ? >Person1: You'll need to talk to Enterprise; I'll transfer you.  > 6 >Me thinking: (hmmm, I thought I pressed that button.) >  >(music plays, time passes)  >  >Person2: How may I help you?  > H >Me: I need to buy a 2 user license for Advanced Server for OpenVMS part >number QM-5SUAA-AK or -AB.  >  >Person2: Who is your rep? >  >Me: I don't have one  > ( >Person2: What is your zip code, please. >  >Me: (gave zip code) > B >Person2: Thank you. Your rep is Mr.(gave name) I'll transfer you. >  >(music plays, time passes)  > B >Person2 again: I'm sorry, Mr. (rep) is on vacation. I'll transferH >you to that department and you can press 2 for the first available rep. >  >Me: Thank you.  > H >(music plays, time passes --- I liked the open line with people talking	 >better.)  > $ >Person3: Hello, how may I help you. >  >Me: (repeated request)  > & >Person3: Name and address of company? >  >Me: (gave name and address) > 0 >Person3:  Your zip-code is (repeated zip-code)? > 	 >Me: Yes.  > - >Person3: I'm sorry, your rep is on vacation.  > G >Me: I know. I was told that by the last person I talked to and now you E >are the third person I've talked to. I was instructed to press 2 for @ >the next available rep and I guess that's you. Can you help me? > B >Person3: We're assigned to territories and you'll need to talk to >him about your OpenView order.  > C >Me: What OpenView order???? I need a two user license for Advanced  >Server for OPENVMS! > . >Person3: You could try your Microsoft dealer. > E >Me: (becoming slightly annoyed) It's an HP product. Why would I talk  >to Microsoft??? > 1 >Person3: You'll need to talk to your rep, sorry.  > + >Me: Is there no one there who can help me?  > E >Person3: Sorry, I can give you Mr. (rep)'s voice mail, or I can give 8 >you another number to call and maybe they can help you. >  >Me: Give me the number. >  >Person3: (gave me a number).  >  >Me: Who's at that number? > 4 >Person3: The people who can help you when we can't. > C >Me: Okay, thank you. (click.) (congratulating self for maintaining ? >control, dialed number, wishing I hadn't drank that 6th cup of 	 >coffee.)  > 2 >Person4: Hello this is (name) how may I help you? > C >Me: I'm trying, so far unsuccessfully, to buy a 2 user license for G >Advanced Server for OpenVMS Alpha, part number (gave part number, then  >spelled it phonetically)  > F >Person4: Hmm, that looks like a Microsoft product. I don't believe we >can sell that.  >  >Me: No, it's an HP product. > > >Person4: Oh. Hold one moment please. I'll check with someone. >  >(time passes) > @ >Person4: It looks like we can't sell that product. I think it's >discontinued. >  >Me: It's a piece of paper.  > C >Person4: Yes, I see. It's a license. You should talk to one of our  >resellers.  > ) >Me: Could you give me a reseller's name?  >  >Person4: Try CDW. > . >Me: CDW??? Do they sell Enterprise stuff now? > D >Person4: Uh, no. I'll give you the number for the Enterprise group. > C >Me: They sent me to you. Apparently there's only one person in the D >enterprise world who is allowed to talk to me and he's on vacation. > E >Person4: I don't know much about VM-ware, but I'll give you a number F >for someone who might be able to help you, it's (gave me a (925) area
 >code number)  > % >Me: (defeated) Who's at that number?  > 0 >Person4: It's a lady who can probably help you. > A >Me: (thinking: Psychic hot-line maybe?) Thank you for your time. 4 >(click.) (Oh well, at least I tried. On to plan C.) > C >Conclusion: The more things change, the more they remain the same.  >   4 Two words to remember here:  _H_OPELESSLY _P_ATHETIC  I If you want to experience more fun of this type, call Hopelessly Pathetic J as see if you can purchase the rack mounting kit for an Itanium Integrity  rx2600.     H Thank god Apple is on the ball so there is still a glimer of hope for anH alternative to "Miscreant Idiot Coding Rejects Outputting Specious OftenH Flawed Technology".  Hopelessly Pathetic wants nothign more than to be a9 reseller of that Redmond based schlock outfit's products.     --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:57:03 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>/ Subject: Re: jEdit Modes file for DEC Document? ) Message-ID: <op.td6bpdxptte90l@hyrrokkin>   C On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 05:24:45 -0700, Ian Miller <ijm@uk2.net> wrote:   > > VIM apparently does sytnax highting and is available for VMS >  http://polarhome.com/vim/ > 8 emacs usually has the best highlighting for any language       --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:17:22 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> U Subject: Re: SWS-2.1 file formats. Was:Re: VMS 7.3 vs 8.x - java in HTML files,  Hmm. < Message-ID: <44ddc5a2$0$24205$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  = "Paul Sture" <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote in message  5 news:81f82$44dd593c$50db5015$23139@news.hispeed.ch...  > Neil Rieck wrote:  >  [...snip...] > B > P.S. On your web page, you specify "EnableMMap" but according to > ; > http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/core.html#enablemmap  > ; > that should read "EnableMMAP". Typo or doesn't it matter?  >  > Paul Sture > J I just checked my Apache log file (with the typo in place) and didn't get I any errors or warnings. Even still, thanks for pointing this out because  ) this info should match the documentation.   
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