1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 13 Aug 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 448       Contents: Re: CFD - software Re: CFD - software Re: CFD - software Re: CFD - software% Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP % Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP % Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP % Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP % Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP   Re: DECnet-IV strangeness in NCP1 Freeware V8.0 and July 2006 OpenVMS FAQ Available 5 Re: Freeware V8.0 and July 2006 OpenVMS FAQ Available 5 Re: Freeware V8.0 and July 2006 OpenVMS FAQ Available # Re: HP Test Drive sub-network dead?  Re: I should'a known better! Re: I should'a known better! Re: I should'a known better!& Re: LAT to SSH(or Telnet even) tunnel?9 Re: OpenVMS Freeware CD listings available online (again) 9 Re: OpenVMS Freeware CD listings available online (again)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:05:42 -0500 6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> Subject: Re: CFD - software 0 Message-ID: <44DE88F6.13C25D1C@spam.comcast.net>   "BRANDON, JOHN M" wrote: > , > Tom Linden [tom@kednos-remove.com] Writes:H > > John,  why do you need CFD to analyze the computer center,  if it isK > > airflow, temp and humidity  there are plenty of programs out there I am 	 > > sure.  > / > We are interested in airflow and temperature.  > L > We have facilities stating we have plenty of A/C capacity - which they areN > starting to back off on - we have my long-haired ideas of putting fans underN > the floor to supplement a downed A/C unit.  We actually stuck a high-poweredP > fan under the floor - well 1/2 under 1/2 above - and covered it with cardboardQ > and duct tape - called it the turtle.  Yeah, crazy, and I have damning evidence P > to prove it (pictures that is).  The fan was not powerful enough to create theO > airflow required and testing in a production environment put us on edge... so = > we canceled any further investigation.  Hence the CFD path.  > J > Introduction of high-density servers is the problem.  Today's equipment,M > smaller, faster, produces the same if not more heat than that of 5-10 years I > ago.  Granted the dual-core processors reduce the heat generated by two M > standalone processors, but they take up less space which translates to more H > servers in that space - subsequently more heat.  Kind of like when theQ > politicians tell you that they are reducing spending - the reduce the amount of % > spending they plan on increasing...  > M > We had a vendor come out to bid on the analysis - and we thought it way too M > much.  We have the internal capability (man-power) and resources (measuring P > devices) that we can collect our own data.  We just need some software that we > can plug that data into. > C > The commercial market is out there - we have met them and we ran.  > / > Now we are looking for the cheap alternative.  > * > Hmmm, I wonder if Excel... just kidding!  % Don't be so quick to dismiss "Excel".   = After all the studies and engineers and drawings and ..., two G fundamental facts will remain: warm air is less dense, cool air is more  dense.  G Engineers may try to ignore that by taking a "brute force" approach, as E you tried do with your fan. However, the most successful solution has H less to do with delivering cool air than it has to do with removing warm air.  F It's said that, "Nature abhors a vaccuum", and perhaps truer words areG hard to come by. If your air handling systems are effective at removing D warm air, the "void" left will naturally be filled by the cooler airF from the chillers. If cooled air is delivered uniformly throughout theE space below your gear, an effective system of removing the warmed air G above it will cause that cooled air to be lifted by the laws of physics B rather than the quantity of electrical wattage exerted against it.  G That said, removing enough heat from the warmed air becomes a matter of @ calculating heat output and matching it up to heat motion (read:A "cooling") capacity. Remember to allow for unusually warm outdoor C conditions if your condensing units will be air-cooled and consider E whether they will be exposed to the direct sun for any portion of the  day.  E So, yes - Excel could be useful for organizing information about heat G sources and the quantity of heat those sources produce. It is, however, # only one of the "tools in the box".    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:40:59 -0500 6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> Subject: Re: CFD - software 0 Message-ID: <44DE913B.E05A0360@spam.comcast.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > 3 > In article <06081113410867@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, 7 >         brandon@dalsemi.com (BRANDON, JOHN M) writes: . > > Tom Linden [tom@kednos-remove.com] Writes:I > >> John,  why do you need CFD to analyze the computer center,  if it is L > >> airflow, temp and humidity  there are plenty of programs out there I am
 > >> sure. > > 1 > > We are interested in airflow and temperature.  > > N > > We have facilities stating we have plenty of A/C capacity - which they are > > starting to back off on -  > J > Don't you love when these engineer types start telling you what you need > in your computer room? > K > We had a problem with humidity. High humidity was causing excessive paper H > jams in the printers.  At first they told us that we were wrong and itM > wasn't humidity at all.  Finally we got them to put in a monitor to measure I > the humidity over time on one of those little circular chart recorders. I > Turned out the humidity was high.  Want to hear their suggestion to fix L > the problemn?  Turn the air conditioning temperaturei in the computer roomM > up.  They figured that around 80 the humidity would no longer be a problem.   F Well, they were close, I guess. There's two ways to lower the relative( humidity: subtract moisture or add heat.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:00:00 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: CFD - software 2 Message-ID: <06081222000091_2027FAC5@antinode.org>  6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>  D    I know from (bitter) experience how pointless physics discussionsD tend to be in this forum, but sometimes I just have a Popeye moment.  ? > After all the studies and engineers and drawings and ..., two I > fundamental facts will remain: warm air is less dense, cool air is more  > dense.  H    Depending on the humidity.  (Perhaps counterintuitively, adding water$ vapor to air decreases its density.)  H > It's said that, "Nature abhors a vaccuum", and perhaps truer words are > hard to come by.  A    Actually, it's quite easy to find truer words than those.  For H example: "Nature doesn't give a rat's hindquarters about a vacuum."  ForE some clues, try a Google search for "Nature abhors a vacuum".  ("Hey, F Torricelli, what's that at the top of your barometer?  Looks abhorrentD to me!")  Get yourself 35 feet of transparent garden hose, a cap for@ each end of it, and a bucket of water.  (As I recall, I ran thatG experiment about 42 years ago.  It helps to have a partner at the other C end of the hose who's not bored out of his mind.  Otherwise, it was : great fun, not to mention educational (for me, at least).)  : >   If your air handling systems are effective at removingF > warm air, the "void" left will naturally be filled by the cooler airH > from the chillers. If cooled air is delivered uniformly throughout theG > space below your gear, an effective system of removing the warmed air I > above it will cause that cooled air to be lifted by the laws of physics D > rather than the quantity of electrical wattage exerted against it.  D    I'll just skip the part about things exerting electrical wattage.  G    You appear to assume here that there's an unlimited supply of cooled E air available.  There's not.  If you remove (warm) air at an enormous D rate, it will not be replaced by cold air a similarly enormous rate,A because the refrigerator can't make cold air at an enormous rate.   C    Sound advice: Any argument in which appears the word "naturally" 3 should be approached with all available skepticism.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:58:34 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: CFD - software , Message-ID: <44DEB16E.6A8692C8@teksavvy.com>   "Steven M. Schweda" wrote:I >    You appear to assume here that there's an unlimited supply of cooled G > air available.  There's not.  If you remove (warm) air at an enormous F > rate, it will not be replaced by cold air a similarly enormous rate,C > because the refrigerator can't make cold air at an enormous rate.   - Unless you have an enourmous refrigirator :-)    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Aug 2006 11:18:00 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>. Subject: Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTPB Message-ID: <1155406680.531728.59140@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:5 > In article <LBqA2g0YvF6k@eisner.encompasserve.org>, @ > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:Z > > In article <4k38f5Fab6avU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > >>" > >> What's wierd about the dates?  E No seconds. Out of order and non-numeric months thwart simple sorting ! (though that's true also of VMS).   G VOS (the operating system on Stratus boxes) comes the closest I've seen B to getting it right, but unfortunately uses 2-digits for the yearsF which is bad for a couple of reasons: sorting involving pre- and post-F 2000-01-01 dates and ambiguity-syndrome resulting from bouncing aroundC among various OSes throughout the day. (To make matters even worse, F part of my company is in London, so whenever I see dates like 04-05-06) it's always fun trying to interpret it!).    > > I > >    ls -l tends to display the year for last year's files and the time J > >    for this year's files.  I've never been happy with that, as well asG > >    trying to determine whether it was really this year vs. older or  > >    one year old vs. newer. > J > I guess it's just another case of differing philosophy. I understand theJ > reasoning behind the way it is done, but then I have been using Unix for > a long time. > J > For more current files the time may be of significance.  For a file thatI > is already a year old, the actual time of day probably is not nearly as I > significant.  Had to make the cut-off somewhere and I guess one year is ) > as good (and practical) a place as any.   E Yes, but it'd be nice to see the seconds at least. Sometimes the time  may be very significant.   >  > > J > >    Which means if you repeat ls -l on a static collection of files the > >    output can change.  > G > That is, of course true, but then how often would you do that?  Maybe H > more often now than originally as ls now seems to include a "T" option > which prints the entire date: G > -rw-------   1 bill  120      213909 Oct 25 22:30:21 1999 xxdp.tar.gz   G Ah, with the year at the end with everything else in order! What system  offers this T option?    >  > bill >  > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   AEF    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Aug 2006 19:04:06 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon). Subject: Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP+ Message-ID: <4k6n15Fah261U1@individual.net>   B In article <1155406680.531728.59140@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,' 	"AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  >  > Bill Gunshannon wrote:6 >> In article <LBqA2g0YvF6k@eisner.encompasserve.org>,A >> 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: [ >> > In article <4k38f5Fab6avU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  >> >> # >> >> What's wierd about the dates?  > G > No seconds. Out of order and non-numeric months thwart simple sorting # > (though that's true also of VMS).   = -T gives you the seconds if you really need that granularity. ' -t sorts by last modified, newest first ! -r reverses the order of the sort    > I > VOS (the operating system on Stratus boxes) comes the closest I've seen D > to getting it right, but unfortunately uses 2-digits for the yearsH > which is bad for a couple of reasons: sorting involving pre- and post-H > 2000-01-01 dates and ambiguity-syndrome resulting from bouncing aroundE > among various OSes throughout the day. (To make matters even worse, H > part of my company is in London, so whenever I see dates like 04-05-06+ > it's always fun trying to interpret it!).  >  >> >J >> >    ls -l tends to display the year for last year's files and the timeK >> >    for this year's files.  I've never been happy with that, as well as H >> >    trying to determine whether it was really this year vs. older or >> >    one year old vs. newer.  >>K >> I guess it's just another case of differing philosophy. I understand the K >> reasoning behind the way it is done, but then I have been using Unix for  >> a long time.  >>K >> For more current files the time may be of significance.  For a file that J >> is already a year old, the actual time of day probably is not nearly asJ >> significant.  Had to make the cut-off somewhere and I guess one year is* >> as good (and practical) a place as any. > G > Yes, but it'd be nice to see the seconds at least. Sometimes the time  > may be very significant.  B They are available if needed, in most cases, they probably aren't.   >  >> >> >K >> >    Which means if you repeat ls -l on a static collection of files the  >> >    output can change. >>H >> That is, of course true, but then how often would you do that?  MaybeI >> more often now than originally as ls now seems to include a "T" option   >> which prints the entire date:H >> -rw-------   1 bill  120      213909 Oct 25 22:30:21 1999 xxdp.tar.gz > I > Ah, with the year at the end with everything else in order! What system  > offers this T option?   G At least BSD, I don't have anything else available at the moment to see K who else offers it.  BUt, if it's really important, the source is available I and would likely work on just about anything fairly current (except maybe  Linux, but who cares!)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 12 Aug 2006 11:52:27 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>. Subject: Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTPC Message-ID: <1155408747.271023.176860@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>    John Santos wrote: > Steven M. Schweda wrote:1 > > From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  > >  [...] J > >    I don't think that Microsoft is asking for a human-readable list of
 > > files. > F > It *is* asking for a human-readable list of files.  That's what LISTF > does: produce a human-readable list of files.  (MS IE may not *want*H > an HRLoF, but that's all that is available, so that's what it asks for > and that's what it gets.)  >  > D >    It merely expects all FTP servers to provide a list ("LIST") inF > > one of the limited number of formats which it can parse, and a VMSG > > DIRECTORY listing is not one of them.  The VMS DIRECTORY listing is + > > quite human-readable.  (Ask any human.)  > >  > G > More so than the Unix ls listing...  What's with listing the filename  > last?   B When the file name is last, a long file name will not overflow its allotted space on the line.   A   The weird stuff with spacing when the size gets big?  (Probably F > a day-one bug that has been faithfully preserved for over 30 years.)$ > The weird way dates are displayed?  > And if we're going to put the file names last, I'd like to see; date/times start at column one and have a format like this:    yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss.cc  F This way you could sort a directory listing with the simplest possible
 SORT command.   G Or, the sorting function could be part of the directory command itself. 9 I'd love to see that added to the DCL DIRECTORY command.     [...]    AEF    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:11:40 -0500 2 From: pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter). Subject: Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP: Message-ID: <PMidnd3-76ZhqEPZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com>  + In article <4k6n15Fah261U1@individual.net>, ) Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote: C >In article <1155406680.531728.59140@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, ( >	"AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: >>   >> Bill Gunshannon wrote: 7 >>> In article <LBqA2g0YvF6k@eisner.encompasserve.org>, B >>> 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:H >>> > In article <4k38f5Fab6avU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill >Gunshannon) writes: >>> >>$ >>> >> What's wierd about the dates? >>  H >> No seconds. Out of order and non-numeric months thwart simple sorting$ >> (though that's true also of VMS). > > >-T gives you the seconds if you really need that granularity.( >-t sorts by last modified, newest first" >-r reverses the order of the sort >  >>  J >> VOS (the operating system on Stratus boxes) comes the closest I've seenE >> to getting it right, but unfortunately uses 2-digits for the years I >> which is bad for a couple of reasons: sorting involving pre- and post- I >> 2000-01-01 dates and ambiguity-syndrome resulting from bouncing around F >> among various OSes throughout the day. (To make matters even worse,I >> part of my company is in London, so whenever I see dates like 04-05-06 , >> it's always fun trying to interpret it!). >>   >>> > K >>> >    ls -l tends to display the year for last year's files and the time L >>> >    for this year's files.  I've never been happy with that, as well asI >>> >    trying to determine whether it was really this year vs. older or   >>> >    one year old vs. newer. >>> L >>> I guess it's just another case of differing philosophy. I understand theL >>> reasoning behind the way it is done, but then I have been using Unix for >>> a long time. >>> L >>> For more current files the time may be of significance.  For a file thatK >>> is already a year old, the actual time of day probably is not nearly as K >>> significant.  Had to make the cut-off somewhere and I guess one year is + >>> as good (and practical) a place as any.  >>  H >> Yes, but it'd be nice to see the seconds at least. Sometimes the time >> may be very significant.  > C >They are available if needed, in most cases, they probably aren't.  >  >>   >>>  >>> > L >>> >    Which means if you repeat ls -l on a static collection of files the >>> >    output can change.  >>> I >>> That is, of course true, but then how often would you do that?  Maybe J >>> more often now than originally as ls now seems to include a "T" option! >>> which prints the entire date: I >>> -rw-------   1 bill  120      213909 Oct 25 22:30:21 1999 xxdp.tar.gz  >>  J >> Ah, with the year at the end with everything else in order! What system >> offers this T option? > H >At least BSD, I don't have anything else available at the moment to seeL >who else offers it.  BUt, if it's really important, the source is availableJ >and would likely work on just about anything fairly current (except maybe >Linux, but who cares!)  >  >bill  >  >-- K >Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves E >bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.  >University of Scranton   | B >Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>     & Checked the Ubuntu box running 6.06...  : #! marshy:/home/pechter> ls  -l --time-style=full .profileE -rwxr-xr-x 1 pechter pechter 3549 2006-07-17 20:46:44.000000000 -0400  .profile  7 More info than I could ever need but probably portable.  ls --help gives the infoF there's a whole pile of time-style options -- this one gives the TZ (I. figure the -0400 is that) as well as the rest.  ) Looks like it's a gnu-ism... in their ls.  --   --  H   d|i|g|i|t|a|l had it THEN.  Don't you wish you could still buy it now!#   pechter-at-ureachtechnologies.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 01:14:37 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> . Subject: Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP; Message-ID: <4a18a$44de60de$50db5015$12358@news.hispeed.ch>   
 AEF wrote: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:   <snip>  H >> That is, of course true, but then how often would you do that?  MaybeI >> more often now than originally as ls now seems to include a "T" option   >> which prints the entire date:H >> -rw-------   1 bill  120      213909 Oct 25 22:30:21 1999 xxdp.tar.gz > I > Ah, with the year at the end with everything else in order! What system  > offers this T option?  >    OS X for a start.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:16:49 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>) Subject: Re: DECnet-IV strangeness in NCP + Message-ID: <BOpDg.1$ar.0@news.cpqcorp.net>    VAXelate wrote:   D > What the hell happened to my "NCP SHOW NODE 2.*" output?   --and-- > What actually fixed it?   I    Only DECnet Phase IV routers know about this sort of information, and  F this node is not a full router -- with the extended-function license, F there's enough of routing around to deal with the cluster alias.  Why F you're seeing this particular behaviour specifically, I don't know -- F but I'd assume it's due to some caching and/or the limitations of the * extended-function (cluster alias) license.  H    The "fun" here is in diagnosing and debugging the behaviour (if this H shows up again), and that's likely going to involve a support call -- a G rather more detailed look at the configuration is going to be required.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:29:36 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>: Subject: Freeware V8.0 and July 2006 OpenVMS FAQ Available+ Message-ID: <QSqDg.2$fu.0@news.cpqcorp.net>   B The contents of the HP OpenVMS Freeware V8.0 distribution are now 8 available for downloads at the OpenVMS Freeware website:  +    <http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/freeware/>   I A listing of all packages is available via the main Freeware page, as is  2 a file containing all of the submission abstracts.  H Each directory in the Freeware V8.0 directory tree contains a FW80*.ZIP F file, which contains the entire contents of the submission directory. G Zips of each of the three Freeware disks are expected and planned, but   are not presently available.  F Thanks to all of you that have supported and that have contributed to I the success of the Freeware, and I look forward to continuing to receive  : your new and updated submissions for future distributions.   --  A The July 2006 OpenVMS FAQ has been included on the Freeware V8.0  D distribution, and is also now available and served at various sites 
 including:  &    <http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq/>  F A standard newsgroup distribution of the text-format OpenVMS FAQ will  occur in the near future.   I Thanks to all that have submitted corrections and updates, and that have  & contributed to the success of the FAQ.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Aug 2006 15:26:44 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Freeware V8.0 and July 2006 OpenVMS FAQ AvailableB Message-ID: <1155421604.186398.95630@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote: C > The contents of the HP OpenVMS Freeware V8.0 distribution are now : > available for downloads at the OpenVMS Freeware website: > - >    <http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/freeware/>  > J > A listing of all packages is available via the main Freeware page, as is4 > a file containing all of the submission abstracts. > I > Each directory in the Freeware V8.0 directory tree contains a FW80*.ZIP G > file, which contains the entire contents of the submission directory. H > Zips of each of the three Freeware disks are expected and planned, but > are not presently available. > G > Thanks to all of you that have supported and that have contributed to J > the success of the Freeware, and I look forward to continuing to receive< > your new and updated submissions for future distributions. >  > -- >   G That's great news, except I must be missing something.  It doesn't look F like the freeware page has been updated yet though.  This is at 6:23PME EST 12-Aug-2006. If I do a little cut and paste on the URL I can find  the packages though.  Cool!     B > The July 2006 OpenVMS FAQ has been included on the Freeware V8.0E > distribution, and is also now available and served at various sites  > including: > ( >    <http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq/> > G > A standard newsgroup distribution of the text-format OpenVMS FAQ will  > occur in the near future.  > J > Thanks to all that have submitted corrections and updates, and that have( > contributed to the success of the FAQ.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 01:22:18 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> > Subject: Re: Freeware V8.0 and July 2006 OpenVMS FAQ Available; Message-ID: <bf2d8$44de62ab$50db5015$13292@news.hispeed.ch>    johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com wrote:  > Hoff Hoffman wrote: D >> The contents of the HP OpenVMS Freeware V8.0 distribution are now; >> available for downloads at the OpenVMS Freeware website:  >>. >>    <http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/freeware/> >>K >> A listing of all packages is available via the main Freeware page, as is 5 >> a file containing all of the submission abstracts.  >>J >> Each directory in the Freeware V8.0 directory tree contains a FW80*.ZIPH >> file, which contains the entire contents of the submission directory.I >> Zips of each of the three Freeware disks are expected and planned, but  >> are not presently available.  >>H >> Thanks to all of you that have supported and that have contributed toK >> the success of the Freeware, and I look forward to continuing to receive = >> your new and updated submissions for future distributions.  >> >> --  >> > I > That's great news, except I must be missing something.  It doesn't look H > like the freeware page has been updated yet though.  This is at 6:23PMG > EST 12-Aug-2006. If I do a little cut and paste on the URL I can find  > the packages though.  Cool!  >   A Here's your key into it, with an auto-generated summary listing,   available now:  2 http://sture.homeip.net/freeware/freeware_v80.html   408 product directories in all   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:41:14 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda), Subject: Re: HP Test Drive sub-network dead?2 Message-ID: <06081221411407_2027FAC5@antinode.org>  % From: "VAXelate" <moore.mc@gmail.com>   2 > >From the testdrive site this morning (8:27 EST)@ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > July 31, 2006 G > The HP Test Drive Program will be down from August 7th to August 11th G > for system maintenance. Please make sure that you backup all the data I > in your /home directory. We will do everything possible to minimize the F > amount of downtime as much as possible. If you have any questions or@ > comments, please email us at testdrive@hp.com and let us know.@ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  F    Thanks for the info.  I suppose that they don't treat the TestDriveD systems as business-critical, but it would be nice if the Web serverG could have been re-DNS'd for a multi-day outage.  It's tough to get the F word if the whole neighborhood disappears, taking the explanation with it.   ! > Hope you don't need the backup!   D    Fear not.  At least on the VMS systems, "/home" is not a concern.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 23:19:46 -0400 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> % Subject: Re: I should'a known better! I Message-ID: <8660a3a10608122019m7a0edd7dq258835936a4fe47a@mail.gmail.com>   K On 11 Aug 2006 13:21:16 -0700, Doug Phillips <dphill46@netscape.net> wrote:  > JF Mezei wrote:  > > Doug Phillips wrote:K > > > How much time should one waste trying to buy a $298 piece of paper? A G > > > two-user license for something that is no longer being developed: ( > > > Advanced Server for OpenVMS Alpha. > > - > > Great story. Sorry to hear it is true :-(  > > L > > I see 2 mistakes you made here: using "OpenVMS" instead of "VMS".  Leads > > to confusion.  > > D > > Secondly, instead of saying it is an HP product, you should haveH > > explained it was a Digital product which HP inherited as part of its > > purchase of Compaq.  > B > Maybe I'll grab a few beers, a couple of stogies, sit back in myD > recliner and make a few test calls, using the words VMS, VAX, DEC,I > Digital, Compaq and Pathworks to see what happens. I guess I'll have to G > test various zip codes, too, until I find a rep that will talk to me. H > (It's 60... oh, wait I meant 91... Oh wait, sorry, it's 10... No?, howE > about 32...)  If I do this (don't hold your breath;-) I'll post the 
 > results. > G > I never did call CDW. I bet that would be fun! (in a masochistic sort  > of way;-)  >  >   B Place I once worked replaced their long-used touch-tone menus with Voice Response,   A It was so utterly maddening that as long as the old system was in B place as a backup to the VRU, I used to say "Rumplestiltskin" as aD menu choice to force it to drop down into the old Touch-tone system.   WWWebb --   I'm job-hunting, folks. < Any leads or referrals would be most gratefully appreciated.1 Unsolicited commercial email, however, would not.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:51:26 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: I should'a known better! , Message-ID: <44DEAFC2.CB1CA16B@teksavvy.com>   William Webb wrote: C > It was so utterly maddening that as long as the old system was in D > place as a backup to the VRU, I used to say "Rumplestiltskin" as aF > menu choice to force it to drop down into the old Touch-tone system.    C I had a system repeatedly tell me that I wasn't pronouncing my name  right !!!!    E I really do not understand why corporations are paying for such voice 8 response software/hardware when customers despise them.   F Interestingly, United airlines seems to respond to the command "human": to transfer to an agent (but does not respond to "agent").   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 05:47:34 GMT ) From: patrick jankowiak <eccm@swbell.net> % Subject: Re: I should'a known better! ) Message-ID: <44DEBCE8.8030308@swbell.net>    JF Mezei wrote:    > William Webb wrote:  > C >>It was so utterly maddening that as long as the old system was in D >>place as a backup to the VRU, I used to say "Rumplestiltskin" as aF >>menu choice to force it to drop down into the old Touch-tone system. >  >  > E > I had a system repeatedly tell me that I wasn't pronouncing my name 
 > right !!!!   > G > I really do not understand why corporations are paying for such voice : > response software/hardware when customers despise them.  > H > Interestingly, United airlines seems to respond to the command "human"< > to transfer to an agent (but does not respond to "agent").   http://gethuman.com/   Hewlett‑Packard 	  800‑474‑6836 	 Say "agent" at each prompt.    Patrick    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 03:39:25 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com / Subject: Re: LAT to SSH(or Telnet even) tunnel? 0 Message-ID: <87y7ttaglu.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  0 "Julian Wolfe" <fireflyst@earthlink.net> writes:  I > Does anyone know if there is an easy way to forward a LAT connection to E > either SSH or Telnet on a VMS 8.2 machine?  I have a PDP-11 running I > RSTS/E that has no form of TCP/IP available, only LAT and DECnet, and I F > want to make it available via SSH connection through the VMS system.A > Attaching via RTERM to RSTS/E from the VMS machine results in a > > crashdump on the VMS machine. Any help would be appreciated.  M You need to find a couple of old Lantronix LAT terminal servers, and set them J up to IP forward the LAT trafic. They may still be availabe new. Gives youE a // printer port as well as 16 terminal ports, as well as doing your H forwarding. Use a Cisco or what ever with an encrypted VPN if need be to secure the links.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:08:34 -0500 6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>B Subject: Re: OpenVMS Freeware CD listings available online (again)0 Message-ID: <44DE89A2.C95D9E34@spam.comcast.net>   Paul Sture wrote:  > A > A quick summary of the OpenVMS Freeware CDs is now available at  >  > http://sture.homeip.net  > I > Instead of ploughing through the complete AAAREADME.TXT on each CD set, C > you can view a simple description per product, with a link to the  > relevant online URL.   Thanx for that!   E Thr V8.0 listing seems to have some extraneous characters at the top. 9 This is from the "View Source" display in Netscape V4.77:    173a7 > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head>H <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"># <title>OpenVMS Freeware V80</title>  </head>  <body> <font face=ARIAL> , <h1>Contents of OpenVMS Freeware CD V80</h1>5 <table width=70% align=center border=0 cellpadding=3>  <tr><td colspan=3> &nbsp;<br>   .  .  .    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 23:16:04 -0400 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> B Subject: Re: OpenVMS Freeware CD listings available online (again)I Message-ID: <8660a3a10608122016p3e5e8ed9oa65c9e7cac1795f9@mail.gmail.com>   A On 8/12/06, David J. Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> wrote:  > Paul Sture wrote:  > > C > > A quick summary of the OpenVMS Freeware CDs is now available at  > >  > > http://sture.homeip.net  > > K > > Instead of ploughing through the complete AAAREADME.TXT on each CD set, E > > you can view a simple description per product, with a link to the  > > relevant online URL. >  > Thanx for that!  > G > Thr V8.0 listing seems to have some extraneous characters at the top. ; > This is from the "View Source" display in Netscape V4.77:  >  > 173a7 @ > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> > <html> > <head>J > <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">% > <title>OpenVMS Freeware V80</title> 	 > </head>  > <body> > <font face=ARIAL> . > <h1>Contents of OpenVMS Freeware CD V80</h1>7 > <table width=70% align=center border=0 cellpadding=3>  > <tr><td colspan=3> > &nbsp;<br> > .  > .  > .  >  > -- > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > ( > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page# > http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/  > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > $ > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/  > + > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: $ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ >   A It's probably another one of those ludicrous HP page "standards".    Warren would know.   WWWebb   --   I'm job-hunting, folks. < Any leads or referrals would be most gratefully appreciated.1 Unsolicited commercial email, however, would not.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.448 ************************