1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 13 Aug 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 449       Contents: Re: CFD - software5 Re: Freeware V8.0 and July 2006 OpenVMS FAQ Available " h71000.www7.hp.com (is dead again) Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?  Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?  Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?  Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?  Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?  Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?  Re: I should'a known better!8 Intel Tukwila (itanic) suffers from political squabbling9 Re: OpenVMS Freeware CD listings available online (again)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 05:51:21 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> Subject: Re: CFD - software ) Message-ID: <op.td73bv0btte90l@hyrrokkin>   . On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:58:34 -0700, JF Mezei  % <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    > "Steven M. Schweda" wrote:J >>    You appear to assume here that there's an unlimited supply of cooledH >> air available.  There's not.  If you remove (warm) air at an enormousG >> rate, it will not be replaced by cold air a similarly enormous rate, D >> because the refrigerator can't make cold air at an enormous rate. > / > Unless you have an enourmous refrigirator :-)   J When CDC built the 6000 series in the mid 60's they hired an engineer fromK Amanda Corporation to build the cabinets.  And yes they were refrigerators.      --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 13:41:49 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>> Subject: Re: Freeware V8.0 and July 2006 OpenVMS FAQ Available, Message-ID: <x_FDg.5$DH2.3@news.cpqcorp.net>   Paul Sture wrote: ! > johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com wrote:   J >> That's great news, except I must be missing something.  It doesn't lookI >> like the freeware page has been updated yet though.  This is at 6:23PM H >> EST 12-Aug-2006. If I do a little cut and paste on the URL I can find >> the packages though.  Cool!  
    Which URL?   !    Check your browser cache, too.   E    CTRL/RELOAD or whatever is the local syntax to refresh the cache,  * depending on the browser and the settings.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 08:41:27 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> + Subject: h71000.www7.hp.com (is dead again) < Message-ID: <44df1cda$0$24183$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  : If any HP employees can read this, your OpenVMS portal at: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/ seems to be off the air again.  - Other portals like Tru64 and Non-Stop are OK. L Could this be similar to the hardware problem you experienced about a month  ago?  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2006 14:12:48 -02006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)( Subject: Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?, Message-ID: <44df3360$1@news.langstoeger.at>  ] In article <12bl6fh34ioto53@corp.supernews.com>, Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au> writes: @ >For an environment touting it's availability it's always a bit J >disconcerting/disappointing/discouraging when the primary portal doesn't I >respond.  Second time in almost as many weeks I've gone to check What's   >New and received no response.  L And now for the next time (and again on weekend - where nobody of HP cares?)   $ ping openvms.compaq.com 6 PING openvms.compaq.com (161.114.65.60): 56 data bytes  * ----openvms.compaq.com PING Statistics----< 25 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss  H I wonder if it is the HP network (which has a well known bad reputation)M again or if it VMS itself (which has a well known good reputation) this time.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:37:00 -0400 ) From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> ( Subject: Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?H Message-ID: <7dd80f60608130637l789c86e4haff553978151e9dc@mail.gmail.com>  8 On 13 Aug 2006 14:12:48 -0200, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote: N > And now for the next time (and again on weekend - where nobody of HP cares?) >  > $ ping openvms.compaq.com 8 > PING openvms.compaq.com (161.114.65.60): 56 data bytes > , > ----openvms.compaq.com PING Statistics----> > 25 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss > J > I wonder if it is the HP network (which has a well known bad reputation)O > again or if it VMS itself (which has a well known good reputation) this time.   9 As of 9:35 AM EDT, I had no problem bringing up the site.    Ken    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 13:33:59 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>( Subject: Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?, Message-ID: <bTFDg.4$NH2.1@news.cpqcorp.net>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:_ > In article <12bl6fh34ioto53@corp.supernews.com>, Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au> writes: B >> For an environment touting it's availability it's always a bit L >> disconcerting/disappointing/discouraging when the primary portal doesn't K >> respond.  Second time in almost as many weeks I've gone to check What's    >> New and received no response. > N > And now for the next time (and again on weekend - where nobody of HP cares?) >  > $ ping openvms.compaq.com 8 > PING openvms.compaq.com (161.114.65.60): 56 data bytes > , > ----openvms.compaq.com PING Statistics----> > 25 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss > J > I wonder if it is the HP network (which has a well known bad reputation)O > again or if it VMS itself (which has a well known good reputation) this time.  >   G    The OpenVMS web server is up and running, and is accessible from my  E login testing and from my web browser testing this morning.  (I have  F confirmed it's not a web cache I'm reading, as a change is visible -- < the date on the FAQ link on the main page was just updated.)  F    After I drop off the VPN this morning, I'll confirm access through  the external firewall.  H    And again: You cannot ping the OpenVMS server.  When you are dealing E with servers behind a firewall and with most anybody's servers these  C days, expect to be quite unable to ping them.  (You can't ping the  E systems I have on the 'net, either; why would anyone allow untrusted  E ICMP commands through?  My servers are not vulnerable to the Ping Of  I Death, but a whole lot of us learned added paranoia from that particular  	 debacle.)    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2006 15:49:48 -02006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)( Subject: Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?, Message-ID: <44df4a1c$1@news.langstoeger.at>  t In article <7dd80f60608130637l789c86e4haff553978151e9dc@mail.gmail.com>, "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> writes:: >As of 9:35 AM EDT, I had no problem bringing up the site.   Yup, it's working again.  ' Thanks folks for fixing it that fast...    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 13:53:21 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>( Subject: Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?, Message-ID: <l9GDg.6$eI2.5@news.cpqcorp.net>  J    FWIW, uptime on the OpenVMS web server is presently just over 159 days.   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Aug 2006 15:28:18 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)( Subject: Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?+ Message-ID: <4k8uoiFauuoqU1@individual.net>   , In article <l9GDg.6$eI2.5@news.cpqcorp.net>,/ 	Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> writes:  > L >    FWIW, uptime on the OpenVMS web server is presently just over 159 days. >   9 A rather meaningless statistic if the box is unreachable. ? Or, what good is available 24/7 if the system is not reachable?    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2006 08:56:16 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>% Subject: Re: I should'a known better! B Message-ID: <1155484576.673900.77620@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>   patrick jankowiak wrote: > JF Mezei wrote:  >  > > William Webb wrote:  > > E > >>It was so utterly maddening that as long as the old system was in F > >>place as a backup to the VRU, I used to say "Rumplestiltskin" as aH > >>menu choice to force it to drop down into the old Touch-tone system. > >  > >  > > G > > I had a system repeatedly tell me that I wasn't pronouncing my name  > > right !!!! > > I > > I really do not understand why corporations are paying for such voice ; > > response software/hardware when customers despise them.   G Because they think it's "cool". The executives are thinking, "Look! Our D computers can understand speech! It's like talking to a real human." Yeah.   E Back in March I was shopping for a new bank since I had just moved. I @ tried the Wachovia ATM and it talked to me in a loud voice! VeryB annoying. The result was that it took a lot longer to use it and IB don't want other customers waiting in line listening in! I made my1 displeasure known to the branch manager and left.    > > J > > Interestingly, United airlines seems to respond to the command "human"> > > to transfer to an agent (but does not respond to "agent"). >  > http://gethuman.com/ >  > Hewlett-Packard  > 800-474-6836 > Say "agent" at each prompt.  > 	 > Patrick   E Cool. I'll try these tricks next call! (including the Rumplestiltskin  trick way above)   Here's my recent story:   C I've had some problems recently with Verizon DSL. Thursday night it B didn't work. Upon attempting to connect I got "Error 629, port wasG disconnected by remote machine." I tried their diagnostic program which G told me my modem was dead. Tech support agreed but said it could be the G cable. Went out to get a new cable, but that didn't work. Friday (while E at work) I ordered a new modem. When I got home from work, everything F was working fine! There was nothing wrong with the modem after all. ItC was a Verizon DSL outage. So now I have to cancel my modem order on  Monday!   E Also: After things were working, I tried Verizon's diagnostic program D again and it STILL said the modem was bad! I asked one of their techG guys what gives and he said it's just a program to give information. Uh  huh.J AUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!  = The phone calls themselves always start out with the annoying F voice-response crap. And in one call I had to give my DSL phone numberB 3 times. Isn't the first time enough? Don't computers talk to eachC other nowadays? ;-) And wouldn't it make sense to display the phone E number on the human's computer monitor? You really just want to start C with a human, of course. Except sometimes the human isn't that good  either!   ' Technology can't make up for stupidity.    AEF    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 08:31:44 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> A Subject: Intel Tukwila (itanic) suffers from political squabbling < Message-ID: <44df1a93$0$24194$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  8 Intel Tukwila (itanic) suffers from political squabbling5 http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33650   K (So they are trying to go quad-core but to do it they have to drop the CPU  I from 4.5 GHz to 2.5? Makes you wonder how much of this is related to the  ) attempt to be socket-compatable to Xeon?)   0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tukwila_(processor)  
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