1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 14 Aug 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 450       Contents: Re: CFD - software Re: CFD - software Re: CFD - software Re: CFD - software Don't miss J F's Meltdown! Re: Don't miss J F's Meltdown! Re: Don't miss J F's Meltdown! Re: Don't miss J F's Meltdown! Re: Don't miss J F's Meltdown! Re: Don't miss J F's Meltdown! Re: Don't miss J F's Meltdown! Re: Don't miss J F's Meltdown! Re: Don't miss J F's Meltdown! Re: Don't miss J F's Meltdown! Re: Enabling SMTP in VAX/VMS Re: Enabling SMTP in VAX/VMS5 Re: Freeware V8.0 and July 2006 OpenVMS FAQ Available 5 Re: Freeware V8.0 and July 2006 OpenVMS FAQ Available  Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?  Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?  Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?  Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?  Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?  Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/? < Re: Intel Tukwila (itanic) suffers from political squabbling9 Re: OpenVMS Freeware CD listings available online (again) 9 Re: OpenVMS Freeware CD listings available online (again) 9 Re: OpenVMS Freeware CD listings available online (again)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:37:04 -0500 6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> Subject: Re: CFD - software 0 Message-ID: <44DFA990.294897E4@spam.comcast.net>  ' Oh, boy. I really should know better...    "Steven M. Schweda" wrote: > 8 > From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> > F >    I know from (bitter) experience how pointless physics discussionsF > tend to be in this forum, but sometimes I just have a Popeye moment. > A > > After all the studies and engineers and drawings and ..., two K > > fundamental facts will remain: warm air is less dense, cool air is more 
 > > dense. > J >    Depending on the humidity.  (Perhaps counterintuitively, adding water& > vapor to air decreases its density.)  H For any given moisture content, the principle still holds, even when theD air is cooled below the point of condensation. The relative humidityC changes, thus the "density altitude", as pilots might call it, will  vary.   J > > It's said that, "Nature abhors a vaccuum", and perhaps truer words are > > hard to come by. > C >    Actually, it's quite easy to find truer words than those.  For J > example: "Nature doesn't give a rat's hindquarters about a vacuum."  ForG > some clues, try a Google search for "Nature abhors a vacuum".  ("Hey, H > Torricelli, what's that at the top of your barometer?  Looks abhorrentF > to me!")  Get yourself 35 feet of transparent garden hose, a cap forB > each end of it, and a bucket of water.  (As I recall, I ran thatI > experiment about 42 years ago.  It helps to have a partner at the other E > end of the hose who's not bored out of his mind.  Otherwise, it was < > great fun, not to mention educational (for me, at least).)  B Quite. The sealed-column type of barometer wouldn't work at all if( indeed, nature did not "abhor a vacuum".  H Question: Why can you not "suck" mercury all the way up a 35 inch columnF at sea level under standard conditions? (Vacuum pump at one end, other
 end open.)  < > >   If your air handling systems are effective at removingH > > warm air, the "void" left will naturally be filled by the cooler airJ > > from the chillers. If cooled air is delivered uniformly throughout theI > > space below your gear, an effective system of removing the warmed air K > > above it will cause that cooled air to be lifted by the laws of physics F > > rather than the quantity of electrical wattage exerted against it. > F >    I'll just skip the part about things exerting electrical wattage. > I >    You appear to assume here that there's an unlimited supply of cooled G > air available.  There's not.  If you remove (warm) air at an enormous F > rate, it will not be replaced by cold air a similarly enormous rate,C > because the refrigerator can't make cold air at an enormous rate.   @ It is frequently the case that an "air conditioning system" is aH "closed" system. Typically, this is mostly true in homes (though some doE provide for air replacement using the outside air), especially in the H case of a window ("room") air conditioner which may provide for a little bit of venting to the outside.  E In datacenters, however, it is more common to find that chillers take F ambient air in and discharge it (cooled) into the plenum floor, or theD reverse: take air in from an overhead plenum and simply discharge itF (cooled) back into the room. In this case, the supply of cooled air isG usually approximately the same as the supply of warmed air. Local codes G may require some air replacement if the conditioned space is considered  "occupied".    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:48:45 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: CFD - software 2 Message-ID: <06081319484511_2027FAC5@antinode.org>  6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>  ) > Oh, boy. I really should know better...       No argument there.   J > Question: Why can you not "suck" mercury all the way up a 35 inch columnH > at sea level under standard conditions? (Vacuum pump at one end, other > end open.)  E    Mostly because, unlike air pressure, "suck" is not a real physical B concept.  Removing air at the top of such a column reduces the airA pressure there.  (Remove all the air, and there's no air pressure H there.)  What moves the liquid up the column is the outside air pressure2 pushing on the liquid at the bottom of the column.  F    Before you start pumping air out, the air pressure on the liquid atG the bottom of the tube on the inside is the same as the air pressure on G the liquid outside the tube, so the liquid just sits there.  Reduce the H air pressure inside the tube, and the air pressure outside the tube willI force the liquid to rise until the combination of the air pressure inside F the tube and the liquid pressure inside the tube (at the bottom of the2 column) matches the air pressure outside the tube.  @    Even when all the air has been removed from the tube, the airG pressure outside the tube can only raise the column of liquid until the G pressure at the bottom equals atmospheric pressure, because atmospheric F pressure is all there is to do the pushing.  "Suck" is not pulling theF liquid up, air pressure is pushing it up, and air pressure is finite. E This gives you about 30 inches of mercury or about 34 feet of water.  D (Quick: what's the ratio of the density of mercury to the density of water?)   B > It is frequently the case that an "air conditioning system" is aJ > "closed" system. Typically, this is mostly true in homes (though some doG > provide for air replacement using the outside air), especially in the J > case of a window ("room") air conditioner which may provide for a little  > bit of venting to the outside. > G > In datacenters, however, it is more common to find that chillers take H > ambient air in and discharge it (cooled) into the plenum floor, or theF > reverse: take air in from an overhead plenum and simply discharge itH > (cooled) back into the room. In this case, the supply of cooled air isI > usually approximately the same as the supply of warmed air. Local codes I > may require some air replacement if the conditioned space is considered 
 > "occupied".   G    The fact remains that the primary consideration is the rate at which < the equipment adds heat to the environment, and how fast theC refrigerator can remove the heat.  Especially for a closed system.  + Blowing the air faster doesn't change this.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:01:18 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: CFD - software 9 Message-ID: <jaKdncwLxYZBSkLZnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@libcom.com>    Steven M. Schweda wrote:8 > From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> > * >> Oh, boy. I really should know better... >  >    No argument there.  > K >> Question: Why can you not "suck" mercury all the way up a 35 inch column I >> at sea level under standard conditions? (Vacuum pump at one end, other 
 >> end open.)  > G >    Mostly because, unlike air pressure, "suck" is not a real physical D > concept.  Removing air at the top of such a column reduces the airC > pressure there.  (Remove all the air, and there's no air pressure J > there.)  What moves the liquid up the column is the outside air pressure4 > pushing on the liquid at the bottom of the column.  G Don't ya just love trying to explain to people that things like 'suck'  2 and 'centrifical force' and such just don't exist?  H >    Before you start pumping air out, the air pressure on the liquid atI > the bottom of the tube on the inside is the same as the air pressure on I > the liquid outside the tube, so the liquid just sits there.  Reduce the J > air pressure inside the tube, and the air pressure outside the tube willK > force the liquid to rise until the combination of the air pressure inside H > the tube and the liquid pressure inside the tube (at the bottom of the4 > column) matches the air pressure outside the tube. > B >    Even when all the air has been removed from the tube, the airI > pressure outside the tube can only raise the column of liquid until the I > pressure at the bottom equals atmospheric pressure, because atmospheric H > pressure is all there is to do the pushing.  "Suck" is not pulling theH > liquid up, air pressure is pushing it up, and air pressure is finite. G > This gives you about 30 inches of mercury or about 34 feet of water.  F > (Quick: what's the ratio of the density of mercury to the density of	 > water?)   E Humm... using your figures, 2.5/34, or close to 1/14.  Do you really   mean density, vs weight?  C >> It is frequently the case that an "air conditioning system" is a K >> "closed" system. Typically, this is mostly true in homes (though some do H >> provide for air replacement using the outside air), especially in theK >> case of a window ("room") air conditioner which may provide for a little ! >> bit of venting to the outside.  >>H >> In datacenters, however, it is more common to find that chillers takeI >> ambient air in and discharge it (cooled) into the plenum floor, or the G >> reverse: take air in from an overhead plenum and simply discharge it I >> (cooled) back into the room. In this case, the supply of cooled air is J >> usually approximately the same as the supply of warmed air. Local codesJ >> may require some air replacement if the conditioned space is considered >> "occupied". > I >    The fact remains that the primary consideration is the rate at which > > the equipment adds heat to the environment, and how fast theE > refrigerator can remove the heat.  Especially for a closed system.  - > Blowing the air faster doesn't change this.   H Well, actually, it does.  Not if the heat being introduced is more than E or even equal to the heat being removed.  But passing more air (of a  I lower temperature) over the hot spots will remove more heat from the hot  D spots.  A smaller temperature delta could exist.  As the cooler air G takes on some heat, the faster it's replaced with more cooler air, the  , more heat can be removed from the hot spots.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 21:52:38 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: CFD - software 2 Message-ID: <06081321523834_2027FAC5@antinode.org>  ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>   I > Don't ya just love trying to explain to people that things like 'suck'  4 > and 'centrifical force' and such just don't exist?  ;    It's "centrifugal", as in "centrifuge".  And no, I don't 
 particularly.   I > > This gives you about 30 inches of mercury or about 34 feet of water.  H > > (Quick: what's the ratio of the density of mercury to the density of > > water?)  > G > Humm... using your figures, 2.5/34, or close to 1/14.  Do you really   > mean density, vs weight?  E    I asked for mercury/water, not water/mercury, but, yes, it's about > 13.6.  Of course I meant density.  What's the weight of water?  / > > Blowing the air faster doesn't change this.   J > Well, actually, it does.  Not if the heat being introduced is more than G > or even equal to the heat being removed.  But passing more air (of a  K > lower temperature) over the hot spots will remove more heat from the hot   > spots.  E    Blowing air around in the room matters, but the original statement 2 involved "removing warm air", not moving cold air.  @ >   A smaller temperature delta could exist.  As the cooler air I > takes on some heat, the faster it's replaced with more cooler air, the  . > more heat can be removed from the hot spots.      Huh?   C    As I said, I know from (bitter) experience how pointless physics % discussions tend to be in this forum.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 15:51:47 -0600 (MDT) 5 From: Borked Pseudo Mailed <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> # Subject: Don't miss J F's Meltdown! @ Message-ID: <86adf7eae87a468820c471e2d8c34074@pseudo.borked.net>  G JF Mezei is having another meltdown like the one he had after 9/11 when Q he completely lost it and went psycho on us, and it's not fair that his "friends" # in the other groups are missing it.   G So I'd like to invite the folks in comp.os.vms, can.internet.highspeed, P alt.cellular.fido, and sci.geo.satellite-nav to join us in rec.travel.air, whereK JF trolls daily under the alias "nobody" with his anti-USA hate propaganda. O It's not fair that he makes you guys miss out on all the fun while he regularly J treats us to his vile anti-Bush, anti-American spews and such gems as "theF Bush regime", "the USA police state", and "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz" axis of evil" and much, much more.  L So please, come join us at news:rec.travel.air and don't miss JF's Meltdown!  5 JF's "nobody" posts on rec.travel.air - a Real TREAT!  http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=&num=100&scoring=d&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=rec.travel.air&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=nobody&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=8&as_maxy=2006&safe=off  
 JF on Bush http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=bush&num=100&scoring=d&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=rec.travel.air&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=nobody&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=8&as_maxy=2006&safe=off  
 JF on the USA  http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=usa&num=100&scoring=d&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=rec.travel.air&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=nobody&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=8&as_maxy=2006&safe=off    JF on Americans  http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=americans&num=100&scoring=d&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=rec.travel.air&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=nobody&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=8&as_maxy=2006&safe=off    The JF Mezei FAQP http://groups.google.com/group/sci.geo.satellite-nav/msg/019e623fe5faba3e?hl=en&   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:23:56 GMT C From: "Gregory Morrow" <gregorymorrowIMPLEMENTPLAN9!@earthlink.net> ' Subject: Re: Don't miss J F's Meltdown! A Message-ID: <0ENDg.4008$Qf.3813@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>    Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:   I > JF Mezei is having another meltdown like the one he had after 9/11 when I > he completely lost it and went psycho on us, and it's not fair that his 	 "friends" % > in the other groups are missing it.  > I > So I'd like to invite the folks in comp.os.vms, can.internet.highspeed, L > alt.cellular.fido, and sci.geo.satellite-nav to join us in rec.travel.air, where A > JF trolls daily under the alias "nobody" with his anti-USA hate  propaganda. G > It's not fair that he makes you guys miss out on all the fun while he 	 regularly L > treats us to his vile anti-Bush, anti-American spews and such gems as "theH > Bush regime", "the USA police state", and "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz$ > axis of evil" and much, much more. > D > So please, come join us at news:rec.travel.air and don't miss JF's	 Meltdown!  > 7 > JF's "nobody" posts on rec.travel.air - a Real TREAT!  >  http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=&num=100&scoring=d&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=rec.travel.air&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=nobody&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=8&as_maxy=2006&safe=off >  > JF on Bush >  http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=bush&num=100&scoring=d&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=rec.travel.air&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=nobody&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=8&as_maxy=2006&safe=off >  > JF on the USA  >  http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=usa&num=100&scoring=d&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=rec.travel.air&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=nobody&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=8&as_maxy=2006&safe=off  >  > JF on Americans  >  http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=americans&num=100&scoring=d&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=rec.travel.air&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=nobody&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=8&as_maxy=2006&safe=off  >  > The JF Mezei FAQ > P http://groups.google.com/group/sci.geo.satellite-nav/msg/019e623fe5faba3e?hl=en& >     8 Thank you!  This is a most valuable public service...!!!   --   Best Greg   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:49:50 -0400 $ From: WC Calm <wccalm@comcastDOTnet>' Subject: Re: Don't miss J F's Meltdown! 8 Message-ID: <qsavd2huarbo5a1gcqfkssmpu73q4n516e@4ax.com>  2 On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:23:56 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"3 <gregorymorrowIMPLEMENTPLAN9!@earthlink.net> wrote:    >  >Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote: > J >> JF Mezei is having another meltdown like the one he had after 9/11 whenJ >> he completely lost it and went psycho on us, and it's not fair that his
 >"friends"& >> in the other groups are missing it. >>J >> So I'd like to invite the folks in comp.os.vms, can.internet.highspeed,M >> alt.cellular.fido, and sci.geo.satellite-nav to join us in rec.travel.air,  >whereB >> JF trolls daily under the alias "nobody" with his anti-USA hate >propaganda.H >> It's not fair that he makes you guys miss out on all the fun while he
 >regularlyM >> treats us to his vile anti-Bush, anti-American spews and such gems as "the I >> Bush regime", "the USA police state", and "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz % >> axis of evil" and much, much more.  >>E >> So please, come join us at news:rec.travel.air and don't miss JF's 
 >Meltdown! >>8 >> JF's "nobody" posts on rec.travel.air - a Real TREAT!    D You are in part making an Urban Legend out of this guy.  If everyoneF completely ignored this fellow and either 'kill file' him or not reply to his posts, he'd go away!  --     Wayne   G "In the future Mr.Calm, you must up your shipments of sand to the sea!"    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2006 16:11:46 -07004 From: "Gregory Morrow" <gregorymorrow@earthlink.net>' Subject: Re: Don't miss J F's Meltdown! A Message-ID: <1155510706.599195.88620@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>    WC Calm wrote:  4 > On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:23:56 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"5 > <gregorymorrowIMPLEMENTPLAN9!@earthlink.net> wrote:  >  > >  > >Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote: > > L > >> JF Mezei is having another meltdown like the one he had after 9/11 whenL > >> he completely lost it and went psycho on us, and it's not fair that his > >"friends"( > >> in the other groups are missing it. > >>L > >> So I'd like to invite the folks in comp.os.vms, can.internet.highspeed,O > >> alt.cellular.fido, and sci.geo.satellite-nav to join us in rec.travel.air,  > >whereD > >> JF trolls daily under the alias "nobody" with his anti-USA hate > >propaganda.J > >> It's not fair that he makes you guys miss out on all the fun while he > >regularlyO > >> treats us to his vile anti-Bush, anti-American spews and such gems as "the K > >> Bush regime", "the USA police state", and "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz ' > >> axis of evil" and much, much more.  > >>G > >> So please, come join us at news:rec.travel.air and don't miss JF's  > >Meltdown! > >>: > >> JF's "nobody" posts on rec.travel.air - a Real TREAT! >  > F > You are in part making an Urban Legend out of this guy.  If everyoneH > completely ignored this fellow and either 'kill file' him or not reply > to his posts, he'd go away!     C No he wouldn't, that's all been done countless times before.  JF is F like the proverbial cockroach crawling out of the nuclear rubble or an@ especially pesky case of crabs that you just CAN'T get rid of...   --   Best Greg   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:24:59 -0400 0 From: "another nobody" <J.F.isafineguy@best.com>' Subject: Re: Don't miss J F's Meltdown! A Message-ID: <44dfb5b1$0$32503$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>   ( Borked Puked the following drivel.......  C "Borked Pseudo Mailed" <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> wrote in message  : news:86adf7eae87a468820c471e2d8c34074@pseudo.borked.net...I > JF Mezei is having another meltdown like the one he had after 9/11 when J > he completely lost it and went psycho on us, and it's not fair that his  > "friends" % > in the other groups are missing it.  > I > So I'd like to invite the folks in comp.os.vms, can.internet.highspeed, M > alt.cellular.fido, and sci.geo.satellite-nav to join us in rec.travel.air,   > where B > JF trolls daily under the alias "nobody" with his anti-USA hate 
 > propaganda. H > It's not fair that he makes you guys miss out on all the fun while he  > regularly L > treats us to his vile anti-Bush, anti-American spews and such gems as "theH > Bush regime", "the USA police state", and "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz$ > axis of evil" and much, much more. > E > So please, come join us at news:rec.travel.air and don't miss JF's   > Meltdown!  > 7 > JF's "nobody" posts on rec.travel.air - a Real TREAT!  > http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=&num=100&scoring=d&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=rec.travel.air&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=nobody&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=8&as_maxy=2006&safe=off >  > JF on Bush > http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=bush&num=100&scoring=d&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=rec.travel.air&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=nobody&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=8&as_maxy=2006&safe=off >  > JF on the USA  > http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=usa&num=100&scoring=d&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=rec.travel.air&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=nobody&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=8&as_maxy=2006&safe=off  >  > JF on Americans  > http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=americans&num=100&scoring=d&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=rec.travel.air&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=nobody&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=8&as_maxy=2006&safe=off  >  > The JF Mezei FAQR > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.geo.satellite-nav/msg/019e623fe5faba3e?hl=en& > ! More sense than nonsense from JF. $ More than can be said about "borked"M Oh well add bork to the list he told me to add JF to and keep JF on the good   guy list !!!!    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2006 16:30:49 -07004 From: "Gregory Morrow" <gregorymorrow@earthlink.net>' Subject: Re: Don't miss J F's Meltdown! C Message-ID: <1155511849.044460.269220@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>    WC Calm wrote:  1 > On 13 Aug 2006 16:11:46 -0700, "Gregory Morrow"  > >> > >>Q > >  JF is like the proverbial cockroach crawling out of the nuclear rubble or an C > >especially pesky case of crabs that you just CAN'T get rid of...  >  > * > The visual, while humorous, is chilling!    E What' *really* "chilling" is the fact that JF is not locked up and he  is allowed to run around loose!    --   Best Greg   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:25:55 -0400 $ From: WC Calm <wccalm@comcastDOTnet>' Subject: Re: Don't miss J F's Meltdown! 8 Message-ID: <lmcvd29b8pj9u56deiernd9agjmnnnmmee@4ax.com>  0 On 13 Aug 2006 16:11:46 -0700, "Gregory Morrow"  >> >>O >  JF is like the proverbial cockroach crawling out of the nuclear rubble or an A >especially pesky case of crabs that you just CAN'T get rid of...     ) The visual, while humorous, is chilling!   --     Wayne   G "In the future Mr.Calm, you must up your shipments of sand to the sea!"    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:05:02 -0600 (MDT) 5 From: Borked Pseudo Mailed <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> ' Subject: Re: Don't miss J F's Meltdown! @ Message-ID: <a60f1571c75ee9845c6dda3ad4ab4210@pseudo.borked.net>  B Gregory Morrow <gregorymorrowIMPLEMENTPLAN9!@earthlink.net> wrote:   >  >Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote: > J >> JF Mezei is having another meltdown like the one he had after 9/11 whenJ >> he completely lost it and went psycho on us, and it's not fair that his
 >"friends"& >> in the other groups are missing it. >>J >> So I'd like to invite the folks in comp.os.vms, can.internet.highspeed,M >> alt.cellular.fido, and sci.geo.satellite-nav to join us in rec.travel.air,  >whereB >> JF trolls daily under the alias "nobody" with his anti-USA hate >propaganda.H >> It's not fair that he makes you guys miss out on all the fun while he
 >regularlyM >> treats us to his vile anti-Bush, anti-American spews and such gems as "the I >> Bush regime", "the USA police state", and "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz % >> axis of evil" and much, much more.  >>E >> So please, come join us at news:rec.travel.air and don't miss JF's 
 >Meltdown! >>8 >> JF's "nobody" posts on rec.travel.air - a Real TREAT! >> >http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=&num=100&scoring=d&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=rec.travel.air&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=nobody&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=8&as_maxy=2006&safe=off  >>
 >> JF on Bush  >> >http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=bush&num=100&scoring=d&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=rec.travel.air&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=nobody&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=8&as_maxy=2006&safe=off  >> >> JF on the USA >> >http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=usa&num=100&scoring=d&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=rec.travel.air&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=nobody&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=8&as_maxy=2006&safe=off >> >> JF on Americans >> >http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=americans&num=100&scoring=d&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=rec.travel.air&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=nobody&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=8&as_maxy=2006&safe=off >> >> The JF Mezei FAQ  >>Q >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.geo.satellite-nav/msg/019e623fe5faba3e?hl=en&  >> >  > 9 >Thank you!  This is a most valuable public service...!!!   ? You're welcome.  You know I'm always ready to do my civic duty!    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:06:10 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ' Subject: Re: Don't miss J F's Meltdown! 9 Message-ID: <MLudnbMDLvFqRULZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@libcom.com>    Gregory Morrow wrote:  > WC Calm wrote: > 5 >> On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:23:56 GMT, "Gregory Morrow" 6 >> <gregorymorrowIMPLEMENTPLAN9!@earthlink.net> wrote: >> >>> Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:  >>> L >>>> JF Mezei is having another meltdown like the one he had after 9/11 whenL >>>> he completely lost it and went psycho on us, and it's not fair that his
 >>> "friends" ( >>>> in the other groups are missing it. >>>>L >>>> So I'd like to invite the folks in comp.os.vms, can.internet.highspeed,O >>>> alt.cellular.fido, and sci.geo.satellite-nav to join us in rec.travel.air, 	 >>> where D >>>> JF trolls daily under the alias "nobody" with his anti-USA hate >>> propaganda. J >>>> It's not fair that he makes you guys miss out on all the fun while he
 >>> regularly O >>>> treats us to his vile anti-Bush, anti-American spews and such gems as "the K >>>> Bush regime", "the USA police state", and "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz ' >>>> axis of evil" and much, much more.  >>>>G >>>> So please, come join us at news:rec.travel.air and don't miss JF's 
 >>> Meltdown! : >>>> JF's "nobody" posts on rec.travel.air - a Real TREAT! >>G >> You are in part making an Urban Legend out of this guy.  If everyone I >> completely ignored this fellow and either 'kill file' him or not reply  >> to his posts, he'd go away! >  > E > No he wouldn't, that's all been done countless times before.  JF is H > like the proverbial cockroach crawling out of the nuclear rubble or anB > especially pesky case of crabs that you just CAN'T get rid of... >   , And you'd be an expert on that last problem?  B What's really pesky is the cross-posting to newsgroups who aren't I interested in your little spat.  Think you could manage to avoid posting  2 to those who just don't want to be a part of such?   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:57:00 -0600 (MDT) 5 From: Borked Pseudo Mailed <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> ' Subject: Re: Don't miss J F's Meltdown! @ Message-ID: <8b6426f82c8fc3de6ee93bea2882ef12@pseudo.borked.net>  3 Gregory Morrow <gregorymorrow@earthlink.net> wrote:    >  >WC Calm wrote:  > 5 >> On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:23:56 GMT, "Gregory Morrow" 6 >> <gregorymorrowIMPLEMENTPLAN9!@earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> > >> >Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:  >> >M >> >> JF Mezei is having another meltdown like the one he had after 9/11 when M >> >> he completely lost it and went psycho on us, and it's not fair that his 
 >> >"friends" ) >> >> in the other groups are missing it.  >> >> M >> >> So I'd like to invite the folks in comp.os.vms, can.internet.highspeed, P >> >> alt.cellular.fido, and sci.geo.satellite-nav to join us in rec.travel.air,	 >> >where E >> >> JF trolls daily under the alias "nobody" with his anti-USA hate  >> >propaganda. K >> >> It's not fair that he makes you guys miss out on all the fun while he 
 >> >regularly P >> >> treats us to his vile anti-Bush, anti-American spews and such gems as "theL >> >> Bush regime", "the USA police state", and "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz( >> >> axis of evil" and much, much more. >> >> H >> >> So please, come join us at news:rec.travel.air and don't miss JF's
 >> >Meltdown!  >> >> ; >> >> JF's "nobody" posts on rec.travel.air - a Real TREAT!  >> >>G >> You are in part making an Urban Legend out of this guy.  If everyone I >> completely ignored this fellow and either 'kill file' him or not reply  >> to his posts, he'd go away! >  > D >No he wouldn't, that's all been done countless times before.  JF isG >like the proverbial cockroach crawling out of the nuclear rubble or an A >especially pesky case of crabs that you just CAN'T get rid of...   O Yup, he's the gift that keeps on giving...and.giving...and giving..............    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2006 12:08:59 -0700 From: contracer11@gmail.com % Subject: Re: Enabling SMTP in VAX/VMS B Message-ID: <1155496139.434162.51370@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   sol gongola wrote: > Steven M. Schweda wrote: > > From: contracer11@gmail.com  > > F > >>>>>    As usual, it would help to know the VMS and/or UCX version.
 > >>>>> [...]  > >>>    Still true. > > ' > >    Still true.  "UCX SHOW VERSION"?  > > F > >> In reality I don=B4t need access Internet, only send e-mails from > >> VAX to Outlook Express. > > J > >    In reality, you ask for what you want, not what you think will makeK > > possible what you want.  Remember, if you knew what you were doing, you  > > wouldn't seeking help here.  > > L > >    I believe that one doesn't send e-mail messages to Outlook [Express].L > > Outlook [Express] fetches e-mail messages from a POP or IMAP server.  IfL > > your UCX version has any of these, you might try the "Server components"& > > menu.  Mine has both POP and IMAP. > > L > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > 7 > >    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 8 > >    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818! > >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547  > M > And with vms mail running, you wouldn't need smtp to get mail into the box.  > H > tcpip imap is very recent on vms, even pop is only a few versions old.1 > What version of tcpip/ucx are we talking about?  > * > $ucx sho version -or- $tcpip sho version   VAX001>> ucx sh vers    2   DEC TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS VAX Version V3.3    ,   on a VAX 4000-100 running OpenVMS V5.5-2H4   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:16:36 -0500 6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>% Subject: Re: Enabling SMTP in VAX/VMS 0 Message-ID: <44DFA4C4.B8C32CD8@spam.comcast.net>   contracer11@gmail.com wrote: >  > sol gongola wrote: > > Steven M. Schweda wrote:! > > > From: contracer11@gmail.com  > > > H > > >>>>>    As usual, it would help to know the VMS and/or UCX version. > > >>>>> [...]  > > >>>    Still true. > > > ) > > >    Still true.  "UCX SHOW VERSION"?  > > > H > > >> In reality I don=B4t need access Internet, only send e-mails from > > >> VAX to Outlook Express. > > > L > > >    In reality, you ask for what you want, not what you think will makeM > > > possible what you want.  Remember, if you knew what you were doing, you ! > > > wouldn't seeking help here.  > > > N > > >    I believe that one doesn't send e-mail messages to Outlook [Express].N > > > Outlook [Express] fetches e-mail messages from a POP or IMAP server.  IfN > > > your UCX version has any of these, you might try the "Server components"( > > > menu.  Mine has both POP and IMAP. > > > N > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > 9 > > >    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org : > > >    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818# > > >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547  > > O > > And with vms mail running, you wouldn't need smtp to get mail into the box.  > > J > > tcpip imap is very recent on vms, even pop is only a few versions old.3 > > What version of tcpip/ucx are we talking about?  > > , > > $ucx sho version -or- $tcpip sho version >  > VAX001>> ucx sh vers > 4 >   DEC TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS VAX Version V3.3 > . >   on a VAX 4000-100 running OpenVMS V5.5-2H4   V3.3???!!! Yikes!!!   E Then again, on V5.5.2H4, the choices would be a bit limited, wouldn't  they?    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:44:27 -0500 6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>> Subject: Re: Freeware V8.0 and July 2006 OpenVMS FAQ Available0 Message-ID: <44DFAB4B.ABF9256B@spam.comcast.net>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  >  > Paul Sture wrote: # > > johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com wrote:  > L > >> That's great news, except I must be missing something.  It doesn't lookK > >> like the freeware page has been updated yet though.  This is at 6:23PM J > >> EST 12-Aug-2006. If I do a little cut and paste on the URL I can find  > >> the packages though.  Cool! >  >    Which URL?  > # >    Check your browser cache, too.  > F >    CTRL/RELOAD or whatever is the local syntax to refresh the cache,, > depending on the browser and the settings.   CTRL+R in Interhose Exploder.    Works in Netscape V4.77, also.  1 Those are the only two browsers I have right now.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 16:47:24 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>> Subject: Re: Freeware V8.0 and July 2006 OpenVMS FAQ Available) Message-ID: <op.td8xpanqtte90l@hyrrokkin>   7 On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 15:44:27 -0700, David J. Dachtera   # <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> wrote:    > Hoff Hoffman wrote:  >> >> Paul Sture wrote:$ >> > johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com wrote: >>J >> >> That's great news, except I must be missing something.  It doesn't   >> look G >> >> like the freeware page has been updated yet though.  This is at   	 >> 6:23PM K >> >> EST 12-Aug-2006. If I do a little cut and paste on the URL I can find ! >> >> the packages though.  Cool!  >> >>    Which URL? >>$ >>    Check your browser cache, too. >>G >>    CTRL/RELOAD or whatever is the local syntax to refresh the cache, - >> depending on the browser and the settings.  >  > CTRL+R in Interhose Exploder.  >   > Works in Netscape V4.77, also. > 3 > Those are the only two browsers I have right now.   0 Try Opera, it is now free, I used to pay for it.   >        --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:13:39 -0500 6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>( Subject: Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?0 Message-ID: <44DFA413.FF117581@spam.comcast.net>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: > g > In article <44df3360$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: ` > >In article <12bl6fh34ioto53@corp.supernews.com>, Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au> writes:B > >>For an environment touting it's availability it's always a bitL > >>disconcerting/disappointing/discouraging when the primary portal doesn'tK > >>respond.  Second time in almost as many weeks I've gone to check What's ! > >>New and received no response.  > > O > >And now for the next time (and again on weekend - where nobody of HP cares?) M >                                                    ^^^^^ should read "when"  > >  > >$ ping openvms.compaq.com > < > Oooops, wrong test. We all know that PING is blocked there >   > $ telnet openvms.compaq.com 80Q > %TCPWARE_TELNET-I-TRYING, trying OPENVMS.COMPAQ.COM,http (161.114.65.60,80) ... 6 > %TCPWARE_TELNET-E-NOTOPEN, failed to open connection# > -SYSTEM-F-TIMEOUT, device timeout   ; Blimey! TCPware gives that bogus status, too?! Same as UCX.    Multinet, on the other hand:  % DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ teln 161.114.65.60 E Trying... [161.114.65.60] %MULTINET-F-ETIMEDOUT, Connection timed out ) DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say f$mess( &$status ) ( %SYSTEM-F-NOMSG, Message number 100081E4% DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ ping 161.114.65.60 6 PING openvms.compaq.com (161.114.65.60): 56 data bytes    * ----openvms.compaq.com PING Statistics----; 3 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss ) DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say f$mess( &$status ) = %SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachable  DJAS01::DDACHTERA$       --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 00:30:20 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> ( Subject: Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?; Message-ID: <26c08$44dfa7fd$50db5015$20648@news.hispeed.ch>    David J. Dachtera wrote:" > Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:w >> In article <7dd80f60608130637l789c86e4haff553978151e9dc@mail.gmail.com>, "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> writes: = >>> As of 9:35 AM EDT, I had no problem bringing up the site.  >> Yup, it's working again.  >>* >> Thanks folks for fixing it that fast... > @ > I suppose it could have been a DOS attack, and things have now > recovered... >   ) Everyone bashing at the Freeware 8 stuff?    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:07:13 -0500 6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>( Subject: Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?0 Message-ID: <44DFA291.3690FF39@spam.comcast.net>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: > _ > In article <12bl6fh34ioto53@corp.supernews.com>, Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au> writes: A > >For an environment touting it's availability it's always a bit K > >disconcerting/disappointing/discouraging when the primary portal doesn't J > >respond.  Second time in almost as many weeks I've gone to check What's  > >New and received no response. > N > And now for the next time (and again on weekend - where nobody of HP cares?) >  > $ ping openvms.compaq.com 8 > PING openvms.compaq.com (161.114.65.60): 56 data bytes > , > ----openvms.compaq.com PING Statistics----> > 25 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss > J > I wonder if it is the HP network (which has a well known bad reputation)O > again or if it VMS itself (which has a well known good reputation) this time.   F I wouldn't expect a response to a PING, or Telnet either. I even tried SNMP. No schmae.  4 However, connect via http: seemed to work just fine.  H Still, I'd be inclined to use http://www.hp.com/go/openvms, just because= it is less likely to "evaporate" than a "legacy" domain name.   ' Never cared much for "the 'Q'", anyway.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:15:16 -0500 6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>( Subject: Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?0 Message-ID: <44DFA474.A6F35582@spam.comcast.net>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: > v > In article <7dd80f60608130637l789c86e4haff553978151e9dc@mail.gmail.com>, "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> writes:< > >As of 9:35 AM EDT, I had no problem bringing up the site. >  > Yup, it's working again. > ) > Thanks folks for fixing it that fast...   > I suppose it could have been a DOS attack, and things have now recovered...   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:14:59 -0500 6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>( Subject: Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?0 Message-ID: <44DFC083.D7BAE59E@spam.comcast.net>   Paul Sture wrote:  >  > David J. Dachtera wrote:$ > > Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:y > >> In article <7dd80f60608130637l789c86e4haff553978151e9dc@mail.gmail.com>, "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> writes: ? > >>> As of 9:35 AM EDT, I had no problem bringing up the site.  > >> Yup, it's working again.  > >>, > >> Thanks folks for fixing it that fast... > > B > > I suppose it could have been a DOS attack, and things have now > > recovered... > >  > + > Everyone bashing at the Freeware 8 stuff?   C Well, the InfoServer bits would likely qualify as "long awaited"...    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 21:45:12 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ( Subject: Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?9 Message-ID: <No6dnXUNicuQSULZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@libcom.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:. > In article <l9GDg.6$eI2.5@news.cpqcorp.net>,1 > 	Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> writes: M >>    FWIW, uptime on the OpenVMS web server is presently just over 159 days.  >> > ; > A rather meaningless statistic if the box is unreachable. A > Or, what good is available 24/7 if the system is not reachable?  >  > bill >   G Perfectly good for those who can reach it.  For the rest, shit happens.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 14:23:47 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>E Subject: Re: Intel Tukwila (itanic) suffers from political squabbling G Message-ID: <FpCdnQIWjeKp80LZnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>    Neil Rieck wrote: : > Intel Tukwila (itanic) suffers from political squabbling7 > http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33650  > % > (So they are trying to go quad-core   D AFAIK Tukwila never had a target less than quad-core.  The original F Alpha team (Tanglewood) version was said to be 8-core (or possibly 9,  according to some).   ) > but to do it they have to drop the CPU   > from 4.5 GHz to 2.5?  G I don't recall any 4+ GHz target for Tukwila after the Alpha team core  C design got ditched in favor of one from the HP Fort Collins group.  I Since the latter basically uses the McKinley/Madison/Montecito core, and  E since that core currently manages only to hit 1.6 GHz in 90 nm. (and  C AFAIK was never pegged to hit more than 2 GHz - 2.2 GHz there with  C Foxton boost - even had all the planned features panned out), it's  E difficult to see it doubling its clock rate just from the move to 65  D nm., so 2.5 GHz sounds like a much more reasonable goal even if the C Foxton-related technology can be made to work (shrinks not usually  G providing these days nearly the clock-rate increase that they used to).   5   Makes you wonder how much of this is related to the + > attempt to be socket-compatable to Xeon?)   K Doesn't make me wonder that at all:  I doubt that there's any relationship.    > 2 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tukwila_(processor)  G This article seems to be severely outdated, since it appears to relate  > to the Alpha team design which got scrapped in December, 2004.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:39:03 -0500 6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>B Subject: Re: OpenVMS Freeware CD listings available online (again)0 Message-ID: <44DFAA07.FA62A8B0@spam.comcast.net>   Paul Sture wrote:  >  > David J. Dachtera wrote: > > Paul Sture wrote: D > >> A quick summary of the OpenVMS Freeware CDs is now available at > >> > >> http://sture.homeip.net > >>L > >> Instead of ploughing through the complete AAAREADME.TXT on each CD set,F > >> you can view a simple description per product, with a link to the > >> relevant online URL.  > >  > > Thanx for that!  > > I > > Thr V8.0 listing seems to have some extraneous characters at the top. = > > This is from the "View Source" display in Netscape V4.77:  > > 	 > > 173a7 B > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
 > > <html> > E > Ah. This appears to be the same problem as I was wittering on about < > yesterday w.r.t. ROBOTS.TXT not being served up correctly. > G > I've now converted it to STREAM_LF as what I hope is only a temporary 
 > workaround.  > I > I've also noticed that </table>, </body> and /html> were missing at the I > end, and anyone using Netscape Gold 3.03 will probably have seen just a + > blank page after the heading.  Now fixed.    Thank you, sir!    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Aug 2006 18:33:24 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) B Subject: Re: OpenVMS Freeware CD listings available online (again)3 Message-ID: <k1O5tjlRLgQl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <603fd$44df1786$50db5015$14547@news.hispeed.ch>, Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes:   J > I've also noticed that </table>, </body> and /html> were missing at the J > end, and anyone using Netscape Gold 3.03 will probably have seen just a + > blank page after the heading.  Now fixed.   * I presume that problem would be caught by:   	http://validator.w3.org  F The current rendition of the page passes, but for future efforts it is8 always good to check if you are creating pages manually.  2 Some of the output of DEC Document fails the test.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 02:47:49 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> B Subject: Re: OpenVMS Freeware CD listings available online (again)9 Message-ID: <8834a$44dfc836$50db5015$493@news.hispeed.ch>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:o > In article <603fd$44df1786$50db5015$14547@news.hispeed.ch>, Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes:  > K >> I've also noticed that </table>, </body> and /html> were missing at the  K >> end, and anyone using Netscape Gold 3.03 will probably have seen just a  , >> blank page after the heading.  Now fixed. > , > I presume that problem would be caught by: >  > 	http://validator.w3.org >    Indeed it would.  H > The current rendition of the page passes, but for future efforts it is: > always good to check if you are creating pages manually.   Lesson already learnt :-)      --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.450 ************************