1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 17 Aug 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 456       Contents: Re: Alpha remembrance day  Re: Alpha remembrance day  Re: Alpha remembrance day  Re: Alpha remembrance day  RE: CFD - software/ Re: deleting TCP/IP hostname-IP-NIC association / Re: deleting TCP/IP hostname-IP-NIC association / Re: deleting TCP/IP hostname-IP-NIC association  Re: Enabling SMTP in VAX/VMS Re: Enabling SMTP in VAX/VMS Re: Enabling SMTP in VAX/VMS Re: Extended File Cache  Re: Ken Olsen VAX  Re: LD container for DVD imageP RE: Seeking Data Archiving (BACKUP) Suggestions (was: Re: VAX/VMS site) site)sitP RE: Seeking Data Archiving (BACKUP) Suggestions (was: Re: VAX/VMS site) site)sitP Re: Seeking Data Archiving (BACKUP) Suggestions (was: Re: VAX/VMS site) site)sit Re: Shadow copy stops at n%  Re: Shadow copy stops at n% % Re: The race for 8086 servers is on ! - Unexpected output from IO AUTOCONFIGURE /FULL 1 Re: Unexpected output from IO AUTOCONFIGURE /FULL 1 Re: Unexpected output from IO AUTOCONFIGURE /FULL  Updated VMS information  Re: VAX/VMS site Re: VAX/VMS site Re: VAX/VMS site RE: VMS7.3-2 file size limit ? Re: VMS7.3-2 file size limit ? Re: VMS7.3-2 file size limit ? Re: VMS7.3-2 file size limit ? Re: VMS7.3-2 file size limit ? Re: VMS7.3-2 file size limit ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2006 15:37:02 -0500% From: frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon) " Subject: Re: Alpha remembrance day3 Message-ID: <16Yk7SJEjSl8@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <44E0AEF4.ADF7A446@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  E > Read up "Elephants CAN Dance" by Lou Gerstner. IBM was in far worse G > shape than Digital, yet, Gerstner was able to turn the company around E > big time exactly by stopping the slash and burn that had begun just 
 > before him.  > G > Both IBM and Digital had become uncompetitive because of their prices G > and attitudes towards customers. Firing a gazillion employees doesn't J > magically reduce prices on your price list. But it does prevent you from4 > making sales when you no longer had a sales force.  F 	Have anay of you read "DEC is Dead, Long Live DEC"?  Sorry, I forget I the author's name, but it's available on amazon.  I don't like the title  N because it reeks of OS religious wars, but it's really a story of how DEC was  started, grew, and fizzled out. F 	I found it interesting that when the company reached a certain size, K people started spending more and more time in CYA activities and corporate  L politics and less time being technically productive.  It mentioned that Ken N tried several times to stop this, but he had no clue how to do it (and didn't N realize that his own personality caused some of it) so he was very frustrated  by the time he bailed out.  B 	It also talked about how Ken and his management team were having P trouble reading the market in the 1980's.  They still let various people try to P develop what they thought would be successful products, but then canned many of J them too early and let a few bad ones go to market.  I'm not sure why the O culture of "try it and see what happens" worked in the early days but actually  P damaged the company later on.  Perhaps because by then they had a reputation to 9 uphold and things like the DEC Rainbow tarnished that...? F 	It's also interesting from a business perspective, that when DEC was P young, the risk-taking and liberal culture worked very well and brought so many K bleeding edge technologies to market.  But in later years, the company was  G so large that it was tripping over itself and having horrible internal  P communication problems as well as departmental jealousies and empire-building.  @ It's exactly what I see in my company today, and in many others.H 	If others have read the book, did you get the same impressions I did?  ! Did you notice anything I missed?    --    	  - Sharon " "Gravity...  is a harsh mistress!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:25:15 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> " Subject: Re: Alpha remembrance day: Message-ID: <q-ydndTnuuXTBn7ZnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@comcast.com>  
 Sharon wrote:   ^ > In article <44E0AEF4.ADF7A446@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >  > E >>Read up "Elephants CAN Dance" by Lou Gerstner. IBM was in far worse G >>shape than Digital, yet, Gerstner was able to turn the company around E >>big time exactly by stopping the slash and burn that had begun just 
 >>before him.  >>G >>Both IBM and Digital had become uncompetitive because of their prices G >>and attitudes towards customers. Firing a gazillion employees doesn't J >>magically reduce prices on your price list. But it does prevent you from4 >>making sales when you no longer had a sales force. >  > H > 	Have anay of you read "DEC is Dead, Long Live DEC"?  Sorry, I forget K > the author's name, but it's available on amazon.  I don't like the title  P > because it reeks of OS religious wars, but it's really a story of how DEC was ! > started, grew, and fizzled out. H > 	I found it interesting that when the company reached a certain size, M > people started spending more and more time in CYA activities and corporate  N > politics and less time being technically productive.  It mentioned that Ken P > tried several times to stop this, but he had no clue how to do it (and didn't P > realize that his own personality caused some of it) so he was very frustrated  > by the time he bailed out.  D > 	It also talked about how Ken and his management team were having R > trouble reading the market in the 1980's.  They still let various people try to R > develop what they thought would be successful products, but then canned many of L > them too early and let a few bad ones go to market.  I'm not sure why the Q > culture of "try it and see what happens" worked in the early days but actually  R > damaged the company later on.  Perhaps because by then they had a reputation to ; > uphold and things like the DEC Rainbow tarnished that...?   E The Rainbow was a fairly decent PC.  The problems were price, price,  C price, and the lack of an Open bus structure.  IIRC you could have  F either a hard disk controller or a network interface but not both AND E both were DEC proprietary.  DEC offered, for $2200, a hard disk that  F could be bought elsewhere for about $300.   DEC offered a set of 256K C RAM chips for $700; I bought mine on the open market for $33.  The  H memory expansion daughter board was another $700.  (I bought a used one  for far less than that!)  I Then there was the floppy issue; DEC insisted that it was impossible for  I the Rainbow to format its own floppy disks.  The real issue was that DEC  @ wanted to sell formatted 5-1/4" floppies for ~$5 each!  All the G competing machines could format blank floppies that sold for something   like a dollar each!!!!  I DEC eventually yielded on the floppy issue; the wonder is that anyone at  G DEC could believe that DEC could get away with it!  There was, by that  G time, a program available for PC's that would format Rainbow Floppies;  G naturally, the Rainbow required a unique format and could not exchange   floppy disks with PCs.  H DEC should have known better than to close the architecture; one of the G things that made the PDP11 great was the UNIBUS or Q-BUS architecture.  G Anybody could make and sell UNIBUS and/or Q-BUS interfaces and several  F companies did.  That was a big part of the success of those machines. I They also had the example of the Apple II and the IBM PC/XT with its ISA  G bus.  In short, they built hardware that could not compete on features  F and certainly not on price.  Not to mention that IBM had a head start  that amounted to several years.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:56:43 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> " Subject: Re: Alpha remembrance day, Message-ID: <44E3DAE6.6B37CF1D@teksavvy.com>  
 Sharon wrote: > >         Have anay of you read "DEC is Dead, Long Live DEC"?   K No, but I think I'll have to buy that book ASAP :-) Thanks for the pointer.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:26:07 -0600 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> " Subject: Re: Alpha remembrance dayA Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060816212540.02ecf328@raptor.psccos.com>   8 Well worth the read...I knew so many of the names in it!  & At 08:56 PM 8/16/2006, JF Mezei wrote: >Sharon wrote:? > >         Have anay of you read "DEC is Dead, Long Live DEC"?  > L >No, but I think I'll have to buy that book ASAP :-) Thanks for the pointer.   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 00:45:29 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>  Subject: RE: CFD - software T Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B8684018BDE88@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----7 > From: BRANDON, JOHN M [mailto:brandon@dalsemi.com]=20  > Sent: August 11, 2006 2:41 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: Re: CFD - software  >=20, > Tom Linden [tom@kednos-remove.com] Writes:H > > John,  why do you need CFD to analyze the computer center,  if it is? > > airflow, temp and humidity  there are plenty of programs=20  > out there I am =20	 > > sure.  >=20/ > We are interested in airflow and temperature.  >=20@ > We have facilities stating we have plenty of A/C capacity -=20 > which they are> > starting to back off on - we have my long-haired ideas of=20 > putting fans underB > the floor to supplement a downed A/C unit.  We actually stuck=20 > a high-poweredA > fan under the floor - well 1/2 under 1/2 above - and covered=20  > it with cardboard > > and duct tape - called it the turtle.  Yeah, crazy, and I=20 > have damning evidence > > to prove it (pictures that is).  The fan was not powerful=20 > enough to create theA > airflow required and testing in a production environment put=20  > us on edge... so= > we canceled any further investigation.  Hence the CFD path.  >=20B > Introduction of high-density servers is the problem.  Today's=20 > equipment,B > smaller, faster, produces the same if not more heat than that=20 > of 5-10 years ; > ago.  Granted the dual-core processors reduce the heat=20  > generated by two= > standalone processors, but they take up less space which=20  > translates to moreH > servers in that space - subsequently more heat.  Kind of like when the? > politicians tell you that they are reducing spending - the=20  > reduce the amount of% > spending they plan on increasing...  >=20	 [snip...]    John,   1 The following whitepaper link may be of interest: H http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/c00064724/c00064
 724.pdf=20/ "High Density Computing Data Centre Strategies"    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Aug 2006 00:38:00 -02006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)8 Subject: Re: deleting TCP/IP hostname-IP-NIC association, Message-ID: <44e3ba68$1@news.langstoeger.at>  \ In article <1155762600.032587.40910@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, mabbuttg@yahoo.ca writes:> >How can I remove a particular hostname's association to an IPB >address/NIC?  I've run TCPIP$CONFIG.COM, but it won't let me justD >assign the same hostname to a different IP/NIC - it says it already: >exists, and there is no "delete" function that I can see. >   >This is on OpenVMS/Alpha 7.3-1.   $ UCX HELP SET HOST  $ UCX SET NOHOST blabla   E >(I'm doing an image-based volume restore from a DS25 to a DS20 - the 7 >DS20 boots, but the only major difference is the NIC.)    $ UCX HELP SET INTERFACE% $ UCX SET CONFIG INTERFACE xxxx/HOST=    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 01:13:26 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>8 Subject: Re: deleting TCP/IP hostname-IP-NIC association. Message-ID: <WoPEg.61$SK4.49@news.cpqcorp.net>   mabbuttg@yahoo.ca wrote:7 > However, I'm having some difficulty executing these - G > apparently somehow when the system was originally configured an alias I > got set up in lower-case, and it seems to not want to delete it because 
 > of that.  P    I'd suggest the use of quotes -- use double quotes around the portion of the C target string that is case sensitive.  The host name, in this case.   N    And the use of $ UCX command" one-shot commands means you're going through N DCL command processing each time, too, and that has other implications around Q how commands are processed.  If you use UCX to enter the utility, and then enter  H your commands, you are not traversing through DCL and through the image L activation and image rundown path.  (This is the other side of the question Q around how to perform DCL symbol substitution, a topic that arises periodically.  M   Quoting parts of a string to bypass the expected DCL command processing is  M also common fodder for discussions, too, and sometimes the numbers of quotes  - around a string can get quite, um, involved.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:05:59 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 8 Subject: Re: deleting TCP/IP hostname-IP-NIC association, Message-ID: <44E3DD12.33209242@teksavvy.com>   mabbuttg@yahoo.ca wrote:@ > Thanks!  However, I'm having some difficulty executing these -G > apparently somehow when the system was originally configured an alias I > got set up in lower-case, and it seems to not want to delete it because 
 > of that.  H If the "cloned" system is to have it own totally new identity, you mightN consider deleting the tcpip config files and starting the config from scratch:   SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP*.DAT   = Notably TCPIP$CONFIGURATION.DAT  which contains the interface G definitions as well as what services are to be enabled automatically on  each node in the cluster.   ; The association between IP and name is done at many levels:   A At the interface level, it is associated with the SCS nodename to 6 identify individual records in TCPIP$CONFIGURATION.DAT  F It is also associated in the DNS server that maps a host name to an IPG address, as well as in the TCPIP$HOSTS.DAT file which acts as the local : hosts file (gets looked up before going to the DNS server)   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2006 17:25:02 -0700 From: contracer11@gmail.com % Subject: Re: Enabling SMTP in VAX/VMS B Message-ID: <1155774302.177096.58220@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   contracer11@gmail.com wrote: > sol gongola wrote:  > > contracer11@gmail.com wrote: > > > sol gongola wrote:# > > >> contracer11@gmail.com wrote:  > > >>> sol gongola wrote:! > > >>>> Steven M. Schweda wrote: % > > >>>>> From: contracer11@gmail.com 	 > > >>>>> L > > >>>>>>>>>    As usual, it would help to know the VMS and/or UCX version. > > >>>>>>>>> [...]  > > >>>>>>>    Still true.- > > >>>>>    Still true.  "UCX SHOW VERSION"? 	 > > >>>>> L > > >>>>>> In reality I don=3DB4t need access Internet, only send e-mails f= rom " > > >>>>>> VAX to Outlook Express.L > > >>>>>    In reality, you ask for what you want, not what you think will=  make L > > >>>>> possible what you want.  Remember, if you knew what you were doin= g, you% > > >>>>> wouldn't seeking help here. 	 > > >>>>> L > > >>>>>    I believe that one doesn't send e-mail messages to Outlook [Ex= press]. L > > >>>>> Outlook [Express] fetches e-mail messages from a POP or IMAP serv= er.  If L > > >>>>> your UCX version has any of these, you might try the "Server comp= onents" , > > >>>>> menu.  Mine has both POP and IMAP.	 > > >>>>> L > > >>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------= ------- 	 > > >>>>> = > > >>>>>    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org > > > >>>>>    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818' > > >>>>>    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547 L > > >>>> And with vms mail running, you wouldn't need smtp to get mail into=	  the box.  > > >>>>L > > >>>> tcpip imap is very recent on vms, even pop is only a few versions = old.8 > > >>>> What version of tcpip/ucx are we talking about? > > >>>>1 > > >>>> $ucx sho version -or- $tcpip sho version  > > >>> VAX001>> ucx sh vers > > >>>  > > >>> : > > >>>   DEC TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS VAX Version V3.3 > > >>>  > > >>> 4 > > >>>   on a VAX 4000-100 running OpenVMS V5.5-2H4 > > >>>  > > >>4 > > >> UCX didn't include pop or imap way back then. > > >>L > > >> You can get the Indiana University iupop3 package from a vms freewar= e cd( > > >> or search for it on the internet.? > > >> 	It may be the one actually incorporated into vms tcpip.  > > >>L > > >> You can get the University of Washington pine package adapted for vm= s=2E. > > >> It includes both pop and imap services.@ > > >> 	http://server11.infn.it/pub/mailing/OpenVMS/pinevms.html; > > >> or	http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/vms-pine.html + > > >> It may also be on a vms freeware cd. L > > >> When I used it, pine's imap was an old version incompatible with new= er, > > >> versions of imap but pop worked well. > > > J > > > In my job we have a e-mail server (Compaq W2K3 server), and if I setJ > > > route with this e-mail address could I send e-mails from vms to w2k3 > > > server ? > > >  > > L > > It just occurred to me that ucx v3.3 may be too old to even have smtp i= n it. L > > See if @sys$system:ucx$config have an option to set up smtp (under clie=
 nt services). 3 > > If it doesn't, you may have get smtp elsewhere. G > > You can get the freeware MX 4.2, probably from the VMS freeware cd. L > > I think pine also comes with the smtp software so the whole pine packag=
 e may giveL > > you everything you need including a menu based email interface that sup= ports " > > sending/receiving attachments. > > I > > Once configured you should be able to send emails to the windows box.  >  >  > VAX001 >> ucx sh serv smtp/fu  >  > Service: SMTP / >                            State:     Enabled I > Port:               25     Protocol:  TCP             Address:  0.0.0.0 @ > Inactivity:          5     User_name: UCX_SMTP        Process:
 > UCX$SMTPE > Limit:              10     Active:      0             Peak:       0  > @ > File:         SYS$SPECIFIC:[UCX_SMTP]UCX$SMTP_RECV_STARTUP.COM > Flags:        Listen >  > Socket Opts:  Rcheck Scheck 2 >  Receive:            0     Send:               0 > H > Log Opts:     Acpt Actv Dactv Conn Error Exit Logi Logo Mdfy Rjct TimO > Addr@ >  File:        SYS$SPECIFIC:[UCX_SMTP]UCX$SMTP_RECV_STARTUP.LOG > 
 > Security >  Reject msg:  not defined  >  Accept host: 0.0.0.0  >  Accept netw: 0.0.0.0     ' Could you show me a practical example ? > I=B4m completely lost with alternate gateway, general gateway, substitute domain, zone...   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 01:08:34 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>% Subject: Re: Enabling SMTP in VAX/VMS . Message-ID: <mkPEg.60$nK4.51@news.cpqcorp.net>   contracer11@gmail.com wrote:  ) > Could you show me a practical example ? > > Im completely lost with alternate gateway, general gateway, > substitute domain, zone...  P    The gateways are where the network traffic goes next, when it doesn't have a G path to the particular target host.  Domains and zones are part of the  ( configuration of host names and routing.  P    There are multiple manuals on the topic of this particular software product, L ranging from the initial configuration on up through specific functions and 	 purposes:   &    <http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/doc/>  N    I also have to infer that you're not at all familiar with core IP and SMTP J networking concepts and with the associated terminology (and we were most P certainly all in that knowledge state once), something which would then lead me K to suggest any of the various available books on the topic.   (Having just  P looked at it, and unfortunately, I'd skip the introductory manual in the TCP/IP O Services documentation.)  Rather, I'd look for IP networking coursework on the  T net, or a book at your local technical bookshop, and at the following documentation:  3    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Protocol> J    <http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/83final/6526/6526pro_042.html#smtp_chap>  L    There are a variety of TCP/IP courses available from HP, as well as from P other various other training vendors.  (Whether books or courses are better for # you depends on how you best learn.)   P    Alternatively, I'd encourage you to get some more formal assistance here, as N it's comparatively easy to get yourself into deep (and sometimes quite weird) O trouble with IP configurations.  (Been there, and made various of the mistakes  P myself, etc.  I've certainly not all the mistakes, however, but I expect to add O to my tally.  But if I was in your situation and if this situation is a crunch  C situation for your employer, I'd tend to ask for more formal help.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:18:35 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> % Subject: Re: Enabling SMTP in VAX/VMS : Message-ID: <J9Sdne7PBbVzXn7ZnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@comcast.com>   contracer11@gmail.com wrote:   > contracer11@gmail.com wrote: >  >>sol gongola wrote: >> >>>contracer11@gmail.com wrote:  >>>  >>>>sol gongola wrote: >>>>! >>>>>contracer11@gmail.com wrote:  >>>>>  >>>>>>sol gongola wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Steven M. Schweda wrote:  >>>>>>> # >>>>>>>>From: contracer11@gmail.com  >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>J >>>>>>>>>>>>   As usual, it would help to know the VMS and/or UCX version. >>>>>>>>>>>>[...] 
 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>   Still true. >>>>>>>>+ >>>>>>>>   Still true.  "UCX SHOW VERSION"?  >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>J >>>>>>>>>In reality I don=B4t need access Internet, only send e-mails from  >>>>>>>>>VAX to Outlook Express. >>>>>>>>N >>>>>>>>   In reality, you ask for what you want, not what you think will makeO >>>>>>>>possible what you want.  Remember, if you knew what you were doing, you # >>>>>>>>wouldn't seeking help here.  >>>>>>>>P >>>>>>>>   I believe that one doesn't send e-mail messages to Outlook [Express].P >>>>>>>>Outlook [Express] fetches e-mail messages from a POP or IMAP server.  IfP >>>>>>>>your UCX version has any of these, you might try the "Server components"* >>>>>>>>menu.  Mine has both POP and IMAP. >>>>>>>>P >>>>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>; >>>>>>>>   Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org < >>>>>>>>   382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818% >>>>>>>>   Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547  >>>>>>> R >>>>>>>And with vms mail running, you wouldn't need smtp to get mail into the box. >>>>>>> M >>>>>>>tcpip imap is very recent on vms, even pop is only a few versions old. 6 >>>>>>>What version of tcpip/ucx are we talking about? >>>>>>> / >>>>>>>$ucx sho version -or- $tcpip sho version  >>>>>> >>>>>>VAX001>> ucx sh vers >>>>>> >>>>>>8 >>>>>>  DEC TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS VAX Version V3.3 >>>>>> >>>>>>2 >>>>>>  on a VAX 4000-100 running OpenVMS V5.5-2H4 >>>>>> >>>>> 2 >>>>>UCX didn't include pop or imap way back then. >>>>> M >>>>>You can get the Indiana University iupop3 package from a vms freeware cd & >>>>>or search for it on the internet.= >>>>>	It may be the one actually incorporated into vms tcpip.  >>>>> K >>>>>You can get the University of Washington pine package adapted for vms. , >>>>>It includes both pop and imap services.> >>>>>	http://server11.infn.it/pub/mailing/OpenVMS/pinevms.html9 >>>>>or	http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/vms-pine.html ) >>>>>It may also be on a vms freeware cd. K >>>>>When I used it, pine's imap was an old version incompatible with newer * >>>>>versions of imap but pop worked well. >>>>H >>>>In my job we have a e-mail server (Compaq W2K3 server), and if I setH >>>>route with this e-mail address could I send e-mails from vms to w2k3 >>>>server ? >>>> >>> O >>>It just occurred to me that ucx v3.3 may be too old to even have smtp in it.   F SMTP was definitely present in UCX V3.3!  It didn't work worth a damn C until you installed ECO 14 and even then it didn't work very well.  F Karol Zielonko and I spent a great deal of time debugging it on a VAX I 8250 which supported some 2,000 students and faculty at the Philadelphia  H College of Textiles and Science (now Philadelphia University) I started G there in August of 1994 with VMS V5.4 and UCX 2.0E (2.7E???).  I found  I the system clogged with undelivered and undeliverable mail.  Upgrades to  H UCX 3.0, 3.1, 3.2 and 3.3 along with an upgrade to VMS V5.5-2  It still D didn't work.  Then came the ECOs; all fourteen of them.  It sort of G worked; if we had been handling mail for 20 people instead of 2000 the  A problems might not have been noticed for a while.  As it was, we  7 stressed the software to the breaking point and beyond.  <snip>  E If you really want SMTP, you would be far better off with UCX 4.0 or  G later though I don't recall if you could run 4.0 on VMS V5.5-2.  There  E were a bunch of ECOs for 4.0 as well but Karol had already fixed the   worst of it.  E I think I learned more, in less time, on that job than any before or  G since!!  I also got a DNS server up and running on that machine.  That  I didn't work quite the way it was supposed to either. . . .  Certainly it  F didn't work the way the documentation, such as it was, said it should.G With the UCX docs, RFC 1032, 1033, 1034, & 1035 plus "DNS and Bind" by  A Pual Albitz and Cricket Liu, and plenty of help from the guys in  ! Colorado, I got that working too.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:21:31 -0400 7 From: "Tom Simpson" <thomas.simpson1@fubar.comcast.net>   Subject: Re: Extended File Cache: Message-ID: <RL2dnYbwnJkDWX7ZnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@comcast.com>  K Also, keep in mind that if you are running Oracle, the recommended setting  J is to disable XFC.  At least that's what we have been told by Cerner, our J application vendor.  Apparently XFC does not help Oracle and may actually ? hurt performance because Oracle does it's own thing with cache.   K XFC did help on systems that used RMS files in traditional VMS fashion.  I  M have not seen any cache related issues with any of the 7.3-2 patch levels...  L My experience is mostly with ES40's, 8400's and 4100's...  We have GS1280's % but XFC is disabled on those systems.    Regards, Tom   0 <dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com> wrote in message < news:1155740039.307820.87670@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...G >      I am currently running OpenVMS Vers 7.3-2 on my clusters.    The ( > systems are GS1280's and a few ES40's. > G >      I recently noticed that the VCC_FLAGS parameter was still set to I > 1 (VIOC, VAX default) and I started researching the idea of changing it  > to 2 (XFC, Alpha default). > G >      I noticed in my searches that there were problems with the early D > versions of XFC, however XFC became the recommendation with 7.3-1.H > I still however, see references to "patch kits" so I am still a little > concerned. > C >      What is the status of XFC right now ???     Can I turn it on I > without any concerns ???    Are there still patches required with 7.3-2  > ???  >  > Thanks in advance, >  > Dave >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:44:10 -0400 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> Subject: Re: Ken Olsen VAX- Message-ID: <44E36774.8BBD912E@vaxination.ca>    Russ Leathe wrote:I > Anyway, Ken donated his micro VAX to the college.  I would like to back F > this up to tape or ftp all his documents to another server (prior to > moving).      0 How much disk space are we talking about here ?   H If it is a couple of gigs or less, I would be willing to host the backup' for you (you can FTP onto my machine).    F The backup solutiosn greatly depend on how much disk space needs to be
 backed up.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:34:14 -0500 6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>' Subject: Re: LD container for DVD image 0 Message-ID: <44E3D5A6.CF318E2D@spam.comcast.net>    stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au wrote: >  > Hi Group,  > G > I wish to burn a DVD on Macintosh from a LD container made on OpenVMS  > IA64.  > H > My IA64 does not have a CD or DVD burner, only a reader so this is the > only option I have.  > F > I have made CDs with this process numerous times. With the LD CREATE3 > command for CDs I specify the size to be 1318080.  > ? > Anyone know what this magic number is for a single sized DVD.   H The size for a CD or DVD container is determined by the size of the dataE to be copied in, not the maximum size of the target medium since this D can vary depending upon the target medium (650MB CD, 700MB CD, ???GBE DVD, etc.). You also don't want to waste time writing a lot of zeroes H out to storage space that is allocated but can never be used (CD/DVD are read-only media).   E For CDs, if you need to load more than 650MB, you need to ensure that < the proper target medium is used (700MB or better, up to the architectural limit of a CD).   . See http://www.djesys.com/vms/cdrom.html#creld  A Haven't worked with DVDs yet. I would expect the principles to be   similar - only the numbers vary.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:42:52 -0400 , From: <Barry.Treahy@EmersonNetworkPower.com>Y Subject: RE: Seeking Data Archiving (BACKUP) Suggestions (was: Re: VAX/VMS site) site)sit M Message-ID: <63A4454BFCE1C048B2683DBB63A3633363C580@ETP-CIN-US-EX01.etp1.com>    -----Original Message-----6 From: Hoff Hoffman [mailto:hoff-remove-this@hp.com]=20) Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:06 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com B Subject: Re: Seeking Data Archiving (BACKUP) Suggestions (was: Re: VAX/VMS site) site)site)   contracer11@gmail.com wrote:  , > - 6 VAX 4000-100 running OpenVMS V5.5-2H4.  E    There are costs to doing nothing and to not upgrading, and they=20 H increase (subtly) over time.  <http://h20325.www2.hp.com/blogs/hoffman/>  E   The direct savings of not upgrading can and do eventually become=20 G costs, typically first as indirect and usually unperceived costs and=20 . then as increasingly direct and visible costs.  I    I'd probably also look at the replacement of all six VAX 4000 model=20 H 100 boxes with a rather smaller number of Alpha or Integrity servers,=20E too, and with newer hardware.  Particularly if the source code was=20 H around.  Way faster, and with far bigger and faster storage.  Failing=20C that (if the source code is unavailable) then VAX emulation is a=20  potential option. - ---------------------------------------------   G You might find the costs to migrate everything from the 4000/100 models F to replacement CHARON 4000/108 emulated systems cost effect especiallyG when you consider that the old 4000/100 boxes were only 20VUP's and the D emulator on even my three+ year old host cranks out 50+ VUP's so youG could consolidate two old boxes to one and since you are staying in the = same identical license class, you could save even more money.    Just a thought...   ' Barry Treahy, Jr                    =20  Vice President/CIO Midwest Microwave, Inc. , Emerson Network Power Connectivity Solutions, E-mail: Barry.Treahy@EmersonNetworkPower.com Phone: 480/314-1320  Cell:     480/216-9568 Fax:     480/661-7028  =20 /                        ... but it's a DRY HEAT!    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:26:24 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>Y Subject: RE: Seeking Data Archiving (BACKUP) Suggestions (was: Re: VAX/VMS site) site)sit ; Message-ID: <44E34730.17875.1438E23@squayle.insight.rr.com>   D On 16 Aug 2006 at 14:42, Barry.Treahy@EmersonNetworkPower.com wrote:I > You might find the costs to migrate everything from the 4000/100 models = > to replacement CHARON 4000/108 emulated systems cost effect   A Another CHARON-VAX possibility [Shameless Plug Alert (tm)] is to  F consolidate those 4000's into one 6610 (or 6620, 6630, etc.) emulated D system.  The 66x0 series can do 95+ VUP's per emulated processor on " modern multi-core Opteron systems.  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------8 Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  Toll free: 1-888-I-LUV-VAX3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA < stan-at-stanq-dot-com   http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:06:00 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>Y Subject: Re: Seeking Data Archiving (BACKUP) Suggestions (was: Re: VAX/VMS site) site)sit - Message-ID: <YMLEg.40$nF4.8@news.cpqcorp.net>    JF Mezei wrote: - > Barry.Treahy@EmersonNetworkPower.com wrote: J >> You might find the costs to migrate everything from the 4000/100 modelsI >> to replacement CHARON 4000/108 emulated systems cost effect especially  > G > If he starts to evaluate migration costs, he might find it cheaper to  > migrate to Linux or Windows.  E    Yes, an investigation might well find it is cheaper to migrate to  F Linux, Windows, OS X Tiger, or some other platform.  Or it might not, I and might well find that migrating to a similar platform (and/or a newer  D version) is the cheapest approach available.  Facts not in evidence.  F    And as should be quite obvious to anyone that has been involved in H platform ports of non-trivial applications, moving forward with OpenVMS G and even across architectures is typically far less disruptive than is  E moving across platforms.  And I and others have obviously found that  G moving forward can be an entirely viable solution to various problems.  H Which is the reason I suggest it.  (I know folks that have seen savings G based on nothing more than power and cooling reductions, for instance.)   F    JF, (assuming several details also not in evidence) your own local B OpenVMS environment clearly hasn't migrated, so there are clearly J reasons that you know of not to; to remain on and to remain using OpenVMS.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2006 14:52:39 -0700. From: "Ger_Marsh" <marsh_family@btconnect.com>$ Subject: Re: Shadow copy stops at n%B Message-ID: <1155765158.951431.289220@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>  E Thank you for your quick responses, Dave & Rob - especially given the  time difference!  D It's not a ram disk but the init/erase may be a good alternateive to the ANAL/MEDIA!   G The version of VMS is V7.3-2 and has had the following patches applied:   
 SYS - V8.0
 UPDATE - V5.0 > all quite recent but SHADOWING V1.0 was installed a while ago.  F The percentage exactly corresponded to the reported bad LBN - half way through the disk.   D We have a workaround inasmuch as installing other 9Gb drives but I'm? just surprised that the shadowing did not report any error that  DIAGNOSE could detect.  @ Process still in RWAST but it can stay like that until a weekend reboot. G BTW, although the drive is showing no extraordinary I/O rate under VMS, B the drive itself has a green access light permanently on as if the# HSZ50 is continuously accessing it.     Thanks again for your responses.   Gerald.              Rob Brooks wrote: 2 > "Ger_Marsh" <marsh_family@btconnect.com> writes: > I > > After a great deal of hassle with attempting to move to VW drives (on J > > HSZ50's then to HSZ80's), we discovered that some shadow copies get toF > > a percentage then hang and lots of mount verifications - and their > > completions - get OPCOM'd. > J > What percentage,what version of VMS, and what UPDATE, SYS, and SHADOWING > kits have been applied.  > 4 > This sounds familiar, and is likely fixed already. >  > -- > J > Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.hp.com   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Aug 2006 00:27:42 -02006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)$ Subject: Re: Shadow copy stops at n%, Message-ID: <44e3b7fe$1@news.langstoeger.at>  ] In article <XHteOvyIU2nC@cuebid.zko.hp.com>, brooks@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes: 1 >"Ger_Marsh" <marsh_family@btconnect.com> writes: H >> After a great deal of hassle with attempting to move to VW drives (onI >> HSZ50's then to HSZ80's), we discovered that some shadow copies get to E >> a percentage then hang and lots of mount verifications - and their  >> completions - get OPCOM'd.  > I >What percentage,what version of VMS, and what UPDATE, SYS, and SHADOWING  >kits have been applied. > 3 >This sounds familiar, and is likely fixed already.    It sounds familiar for me too.M I had it with VMS V7.3-1 at home with my 2x160GB IDE (w/ ACARD SCSI IDE cvtr) O some days/weeks after I started to shadow them (totally unsupported of course).   K I can't help with ECOs or similar because one disk died days later - I then K got a replacement disk with slightly different geometry - and I had to wait J for V7.3-2 (and Dissimilar HVBS) to get them shadowed again (with the qualL /OVERIDE=NO_FORCED_ERROR). Worked out of the box then (and still does, KOW).   just my 0.02   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:36:06 -0400 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>. Subject: Re: The race for 8086 servers is on !- Message-ID: <44E36591.9A8626F4@vaxination.ca>    Dave Froble wrote:F > He's just stubbornly waiting for a chocolate bribe.  Problem is that@ > he's already indicated he won't stay bought and will insist on > continuing bribes. > F > I've been considering a special batch of chocolate for him, with rat > poison a major ingredient   H Good luck sending that through customs...  And I never said that I wouldC be the one eating all the chocolate :-) :-) So you might in fact be A killing off innocent people and I would survive. (think Inspector  Cluseau... :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2006 14:38:42 -0700" From: dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com6 Subject: Unexpected output from IO AUTOCONFIGURE /FULLC Message-ID: <1155764322.609006.136950@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   G         I have been running a configuration which hasnt changed in many F months (>6), and have run the "IO Auto/full" command in SYSMAN on many
 occasions.  @    Creating a new 'disk' on my eva5000, I normally expect to see something like  2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node MILL014 %IOGEN-I-PREFIX, searching for ICBM with prefix SYS$5 %IOGEN-I-PREFIX, searching for ICBM with prefix DECW$ > %IOGEN-I-SCSIPOLL, scanning for devices through SCSI port PKA0> %IOGEN-I-SCSIPOLL, scanning for devices through SCSI port PKB0@ %IOGEN-I-FIBREPOLL, scanning for devices through FIBRE port PGA0. %IOGEN-I-CONFIGURED, configured device DGA1126. %IOGEN-I-CONFIGURED, configured device DGA1126  # today however, I got the following,   2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node MILL014 %IOGEN-I-PREFIX, searching for ICBM with prefix SYS$0 %IOGEN-I-ACTIVATE, activating ICBM SYS$ICBM_270F. %IOGEN-I-ACTIVATE, activating ICBM SYS$ICBM_27+ %IOGEN-I-ACTIVATE, activating ICBM SYS$ICBM 5 %IOGEN-I-PREFIX, searching for ICBM with prefix DECW$ 1 %IOGEN-I-ACTIVATE, activating ICBM DECW$ICBM_270F / %IOGEN-I-ACTIVATE, activating ICBM DECW$ICBM_27 , %IOGEN-I-ACTIVATE, activating ICBM DECW$ICBM> %IOGEN-I-SCSIPOLL, scanning for devices through SCSI port PKA0> %IOGEN-I-SCSIPOLL, scanning for devices through SCSI port PKB0@ %IOGEN-I-FIBREPOLL, scanning for devices through FIBRE port PGA0  E Can someone tell me what these "%IOGEN-I-ACTIVATE" messages mean, and G why should they suddenly start happening out of the blue.     Note: the G SYSMAN environment was set to /cluster when I executed this command "io E auto/full".   The MILL02 node in my cluster is Identical to MILL01 as E far as Hardware and connectivity is concerned.  The "activate" didnot > occur on that node, just the same old boring, normal response.   Dave.    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Aug 2006 00:08:41 -02006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER): Subject: Re: Unexpected output from IO AUTOCONFIGURE /FULL, Message-ID: <44e3b389$1@news.langstoeger.at>  h In article <1155764322.609006.136950@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com writes:H >        I have been running a configuration which hasnt changed in manyG >months (>6), and have run the "IO Auto/full" command in SYSMAN on many  >occasions.  > A >   Creating a new 'disk' on my eva5000, I normally expect to see  >something like  > 3 >%SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node MILL01 5 >%IOGEN-I-PREFIX, searching for ICBM with prefix SYS$ 6 >%IOGEN-I-PREFIX, searching for ICBM with prefix DECW$? >%IOGEN-I-SCSIPOLL, scanning for devices through SCSI port PKA0 ? >%IOGEN-I-SCSIPOLL, scanning for devices through SCSI port PKB0 A >%IOGEN-I-FIBREPOLL, scanning for devices through FIBRE port PGA0 / >%IOGEN-I-CONFIGURED, configured device DGA1126 / >%IOGEN-I-CONFIGURED, configured device DGA1126  > $ >today however, I got the following, > 3 >%SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node MILL01 5 >%IOGEN-I-PREFIX, searching for ICBM with prefix SYS$ 1 >%IOGEN-I-ACTIVATE, activating ICBM SYS$ICBM_270F / >%IOGEN-I-ACTIVATE, activating ICBM SYS$ICBM_27 , >%IOGEN-I-ACTIVATE, activating ICBM SYS$ICBM6 >%IOGEN-I-PREFIX, searching for ICBM with prefix DECW$2 >%IOGEN-I-ACTIVATE, activating ICBM DECW$ICBM_270F0 >%IOGEN-I-ACTIVATE, activating ICBM DECW$ICBM_27- >%IOGEN-I-ACTIVATE, activating ICBM DECW$ICBM ? >%IOGEN-I-SCSIPOLL, scanning for devices through SCSI port PKA0 ? >%IOGEN-I-SCSIPOLL, scanning for devices through SCSI port PKB0 A >%IOGEN-I-FIBREPOLL, scanning for devices through FIBRE port PGA0   0 Has $ MCR SYSMAN IO SHOW PREFIX output changed ?7 Did you perhaps install an ECO on your MARVEL recently?    btw: I have I %SYSMAN-I-IOPREFIX, the current prefix list is: DECW$,DECW$GRAPHICS_,SYS$    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:42:38 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>: Subject: Re: Unexpected output from IO AUTOCONFIGURE /FULL. Message-ID: <ybNEg.55$fG4.47@news.cpqcorp.net>  # dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com wrote:  ... 6 > %IOGEN-I-PREFIX, searching for ICBM with prefix SYS$2 > %IOGEN-I-ACTIVATE, activating ICBM SYS$ICBM_270F0 > %IOGEN-I-ACTIVATE, activating ICBM SYS$ICBM_27- > %IOGEN-I-ACTIVATE, activating ICBM SYS$ICBM 7 > %IOGEN-I-PREFIX, searching for ICBM with prefix DECW$ 3 > %IOGEN-I-ACTIVATE, activating ICBM DECW$ICBM_270F 1 > %IOGEN-I-ACTIVATE, activating ICBM DECW$ICBM_27 . > %IOGEN-I-ACTIVATE, activating ICBM DECW$ICBM ... G > Can someone tell me what these "%IOGEN-I-ACTIVATE" messages mean, and ; > why should they suddenly start happening out of the blue.   B    Those are calls to DECwindows configuration routines.  They're ? harmless.   ICBM: IOGEN (or I/O, depending on who you talk to)   Configuration-Building Module   G    There could be a couple of triggers, including a reconfiguration or  = an ECO, or changes to the ICBM prefix list that is stored in  H SYS$MANAGER:IOGEN$PREFIX.DAT (via IOGEN SET and SHOW PREFIX, etc).   Is 5 there a definition of the IOGEN$VERBOSE logical name?   C    The usual questions: Which OpenVMS release?  (Though on current  I releases and IIRC, the ICBMs are no longer needed and no longer used for  C DECwindows.)  Any recent ECOs?  Any AUTOGEN?  Been in IOGEN lately?    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2006 19:33:43 -0700) From: "Sue" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com>   Subject: Updated VMS informationC Message-ID: <1155782023.029806.267130@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Dear Distribution lists,  3 This information can be distributed as you see fit.    1=2E OpenVMS Technical Journal 2=2E Sue's Favs  3=2E Time Sensitive TRAINING 4=2E In the Press G 5=2E From our Partners - Raxco is currently looking for additional beta  testers for Itanium PerfectDisk   
 Warm Regards,  Sue         G 1=2E OpenVMS Technical Journal (VTJ) at this time we have 4 people that D have responded to the request for call for participation.  Thank youG very much, this will make for a rather slim technical journal unless we C hear from some other folks before Sept 15.  Articles are due Nov 15 7 url: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/cfp.html      2=2E Sue's Favs   F Barnes and Noble on-line now stocking "The Minimum You Need to Know to/ Be an OpenVMS Application Developer" www.bn.com   A *****Thank you for joining us for the HP User Group's 17th annual F customer and partner survey. This year's report includes a broad range? of enterprise-level products and services. Newly added are more F specific product "drill-down" areas, increasing actionability of data,  and an Events Marketing section.  B **** Results from the 2006 study are now available on Diana Bell's= TCE&Q website: http://tce.corp.hp.com/user_group_surveys.htm.        3=2E Time Sensitive TRAINING  6 NOTE - IF YOU ARE EXTERNAL TO HP PLEASE SEND EMAIL TO:   al lanseigne Learning & Development - CETD  Learning Program ManagerC Entry-level Integrity Servers, OpenVMS and AlphaServer 603-362-9750  al.lanseigne@hp.com   G Description		The OpenVMS WSIT training will include a brief look at the C OpenVMS e-Business and integration strategy including Web Services, D Services Oriented Architectures (SOA) and a WSIT introduction. There@ will be a discussion on the process for implementing integration@ solutions as well as the Web Service Integration Toolkit (WSIT).: Covered will be features, usage as well as in-depth demos.G Objectives		Upon completion of this training the learner should be able  to:   ; =B7	Communicate at a high level about integration solutions : =B7	Describe when to apply WSIT in an integration solution* =B7	Explain the features and usage of WSITD Audience Support people needing more detail on context and usage for? WSIT in implementing integration solutions both HP internal and 	 Partners. ? Additional Pre-requisites		The learner should met the following  prerequisites:  A =B7	Experience with OpenVMS, particularly application development $ =B7	Experience with Java programmingE =B7	Knowledge/experience with Web-based concepts and tools, including  Apache, Tomcat, SOAP, and XML 
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 www.raxco.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:39:27 -0400 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> Subject: Re: VAX/VMS site - Message-ID: <44E3665A.56435B6D@vaxination.ca>    contracer11@gmail.com wrote:, > - 6 VAX 4000-100 running OpenVMS V5.5-2H4.H >  I dont need tell you diary suffering to mounting 8 dat tapes in each  I > (We have a HP storage with terabytes there, storying Solaris and Oracle 	 > files).   H Ubfortunatly, at 5.5, VMS didn't have much connectivity with the outside world (aka TCPIP).  H If you have spare storage on your VAX drives, you could do a disk backupE (create a save set on disk instead of tape) then use Kermit or FTP to G move the files to the other systems who have greater disk capacity. You E can breakup your backup into smaller chunks which reduce the need for - that extra "staging" disk space on the VAXes.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:21:51 +0200 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam>  Subject: Re: VAX/VMS site ; Message-ID: <44e37047$0$146$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>    contracer11@gmail.com wrote: > Please, look this case:  > , > - 6 VAX 4000-100 running OpenVMS V5.5-2H4.C > - each machine haves 1 DAT magtape drive (I dont remember model) B > - Everyday incremental backup is made (vms files and rdb files).; > - Every friday weekly backup is made (last 7 days backup) I > - Every month is made a monthly backup (full backup - o.s. + rdb files)  > H >  I dont need tell you diary suffering to mounting 8 dat tapes in each > drive @ >  (dat tape stuck in drive,  tape crushed, parity errors, etc.) >  >  > What do you recommend to me ? C > Is there any way to transfer all files (vms files + rbf files) to  > another system > maintain files integrity ?I > (We have a HP storage with terabytes there, storying Solaris and Oracle 	 > files).  > 	 > Thanks.  > I You could get DECNET on one of the machines connected to the HP storage,  / and backup through DECNET to the Unix machines.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:00:25 -0500 6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> Subject: Re: VAX/VMS site 0 Message-ID: <44E3DBC9.C7CCC88D@spam.comcast.net>   contracer11@gmail.com wrote: >  > Please, look this case:  > , > - 6 VAX 4000-100 running OpenVMS V5.5-2H4.C > - each machine haves 1 DAT magtape drive (I dont remember model) B > - Everyday incremental backup is made (vms files and rdb files).; > - Every friday weekly backup is made (last 7 days backup) I > - Every month is made a monthly backup (full backup - o.s. + rdb files)  > H >  I dont need tell you diary suffering to mounting 8 dat tapes in each > drive @ >  (dat tape stuck in drive,  tape crushed, parity errors, etc.) >  > What do you recommend to me ? C > Is there any way to transfer all files (vms files + rbf files) to  > another system > maintain files integrity ?I > (We have a HP storage with terabytes there, storying Solaris and Oracle 	 > files).   D You don't say how much disk the VAXes have or other details, so I'll. hazard a guess and assume these are clustered.  G Shop the used market for a DLT mini-library with a TZ88 drive or two in F it. That should work with V5.5-2H4. New DLT-IV cartridges can still be had, I'm sure.  F Try to avoid backing VMS systems up to anything but media/devices that are supported by OpenVMS.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:44:58 -0400 , From: <Barry.Treahy@EmersonNetworkPower.com>' Subject: RE: VMS7.3-2 file size limit ? M Message-ID: <63A4454BFCE1C048B2683DBB63A3633363C581@ETP-CIN-US-EX01.etp1.com>   6 From: Hoff Hoffman [mailto:hoff-remove-this@hp.com]=20) Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:17 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ' Subject: Re: VMS7.3-2 file size limit ?   + Barry.Treahy@EmersonNetworkPower.com wrote:   G > Not to disagree with the Hoff, but wouldn't it be possible to use FDL  toF > create the replacement file shell, requiring it to be contiguous andA > then when the file fills and requires an extent, the job fails?   G    That's twisted.  Elegantly twisted, but still twisted.  (And it's=20 A another indirect scheme.)  BTW, what happens if it can get the=20 H contiguous allocation?  (I haven't ever tried that one...  Off to try an   experiment or two...) 
 -------------    Thanks for the chuckle...    Barry    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:52:02 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> ' Subject: Re: VMS7.3-2 file size limit ? : Message-ID: <Rv2dnaF_XpfO9H7ZnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com>   benitos wrote:   > Hello,F > Is there a way to set a file to a certain size? Here is the issue: AC > certain file is getting created and normally it is no bigger than F > several hundred blocks, BUT, sometimes (once every other month), theE > originating .com file that creates the .dat file loops and the file G > just grows. It has grown to 40 million blocks, which at that point, I I > get paged that the volume is 95% full and I simply stop the program and G > delete the file, the problem is that I get paged at 4am!!! So anyway,   > any help would be appreciated. >  > Benito >   % Fix the .com file so it doesn't loop?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:07:18 +0200 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> ' Subject: Re: VMS7.3-2 file size limit ? ; Message-ID: <44e36cde$0$144$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>    Bart Z. Lederman wrote: F > If you can put the file on a particular disk, then DISK QUOTAs might/ > be a way to limit how large the file can get.  > H > The procedure will likely fail when it runs out of quota, but I gather$ > you're killing the process anyway. > ? > This is, however, a stop-gap measure.  The long term solution F > would be to instrument the procedure to find out why it "runs away". > H Actually, Benitos could let the file owner be a resource ID, and set up I the quota for that resource to be the maximum size size of the file plus  H a few blocks for file headers, etc.  Then there is no need for an extra  disk.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:13:08 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> ' Subject: Re: VMS7.3-2 file size limit ? J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-949B9D.23130816082006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  ; In article <44e36cde$0$144$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>, -  Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote:    > Bart Z. Lederman wrote: H > > If you can put the file on a particular disk, then DISK QUOTAs might1 > > be a way to limit how large the file can get.  > > J > > The procedure will likely fail when it runs out of quota, but I gather& > > you're killing the process anyway. > > A > > This is, however, a stop-gap measure.  The long term solution H > > would be to instrument the procedure to find out why it "runs away". > > J > Actually, Benitos could let the file owner be a resource ID, and set up K > the quota for that resource to be the maximum size size of the file plus  J > a few blocks for file headers, etc.  Then there is no need for an extra  > disk.   , Can you please explain the steps to do that?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:38:21 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>' Subject: Re: VMS7.3-2 file size limit ? . Message-ID: <hfMEg.43$zF4.35@news.cpqcorp.net>   Paul Sture wrote:   . > Can you please explain the steps to do that?  ,    Off the top, here's the basic sequence...  C    Wait for a quiescent time, as the following steps might briefly  C interrupt processing pending completion of the sequence of setting   gonzo-valued limits.  G    Enable quotas on the particular disk.  Use the diskquota utility or   the SYSMAN diskquota command.   G    Rebuild them.  This gets entries for all users, with current usage.  H (You really don't care about the current usage for most folks, but this 5 is an easy way to get entries in the quota database.)   E    Set the quotas for all users to values past the size of the disk,  D either slightly past or (as I tend to do) comparatively gonzo limit F values up around a terabyte.  This step effectively disables the disk I quotas, but leaves them active for monitoring purposes -- or to use them  ; as limits for specific usernames and processing activities.   -    Create a resource identifier in authorize.   D    Grant the identifier to the username associated with the process G creating the file, and marked as a resource identifier.  Possibly also   as dynamic.   H    Either enable the resource identifier around the limit, or otherwise H specify the identifier as the file owner on the file creation.  (One if G the other ways is to set it as the owner of a directory, and to create   the files in that area.)  I    Resource identifiers get some some coverage in the security manual in  F the documentation set, and there have been various ACL and identifier I (security) presentations over the years; you might be able to find a few   of these around the 'net.       --   F    Or, as others have stated, it would typically be preferable to fix : the bug in the command procedure rather than adding to an E ever-lengthening sequence of indirect remediation.  This because the  @ features that detect this error after it arises can potentially H themselves lead to secondary errors or to unexpected behaviours, and at F unexpected moments.  (The longer a workaround sequence gets, the more I likely the system manager's pager goes off at unexpected times, which is  G what the first poster in the thread here clearly wants to avoid -- the  G more likely the workaround will unexpectedly fail, or the more fragile  * it can be to changes or upgrades or such.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:52:51 -0500 6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>' Subject: Re: VMS7.3-2 file size limit ? 0 Message-ID: <44E3DA03.ABA019B0@spam.comcast.net>  + Barry.Treahy@EmersonNetworkPower.com wrote:  >  > -----Original Message-----5 > From: Hoff Hoffman [mailto:hoff-remove-this@hp.com] * > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 9:08 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ) > Subject: Re: VMS7.3-2 file size limit ?  >  > benitos wrote: > 3 > > Is there a way to set a file to a certain size?  >  >    Not directly. >  > > Here is the issue: AE > > certain file is getting created and normally it is no bigger than H > > several hundred blocks, BUT, sometimes (once every other month), theG > > originating .com file that creates the .dat file loops and the file 1 > > just grows. It has grown to 40 million blocks  > J > Not to disagree with the Hoff, but wouldn't it be possible to use FDL toF > create the replacement file shell, requiring it to be contiguous andA > then when the file fills and requires an extent, the job fails?    Why would the job fail?   $ Tried this here at home on V7.3-2...  4 $ copy nla0: dsa1:[000000]test.dat/alloc=1000/contig$ $ set file/end dsa1:[000000]test.dat $ dir/fu dsa1:[000000]test.dat   Directory DSA1:[000000]   > TEST.DAT;1                    File ID:  (11,3,0)              - Size:         1000/1000       Owner:    [1,1] # Created:    16-AUG-2006 20:57:34.00 ' Revised:    16-AUG-2006 20:57:40.58 (2)  Expires:    <None specified>  Backup:     <No backup recorded> Effective:  <None specified> Recording:  <None specified> Accessed:   <None specified> Attributes: <None specified> Modified:   <None specified>
 Linkcount:  1  File organization:  Sequential Shelved state:      Online    Caching attribute:  WritethroughG File attributes:    Allocation: 1000, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0 0                     No version limit, ContiguousE Record format:      Variable length, maximum 0 bytes, longest 0 bytes 4 Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: None= File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:  Access Cntrl List:  None Client attributes:  None  " Total of 1 file, 1000/1000 blocks.3 $ ana/rms/fdl dsa1:[000000]test.dat/output=test.fdl  $ type test.fdl A IDENT   "16-AUG-2006 20:57:58   OpenVMS ANALYZE/RMS_FILE Utility"    SYSTEM'         SOURCE                  OpenVMS    FILE$         ALLOCATION              1000"         BEST_TRY_CONTIGUOUS     no!         CLUSTER_SIZE            4 #         CONTIGUOUS              yes !         EXTENSION               0 "         FILE_MONITORING         no!         GLOBAL_BUFFER_COUNT     0 9         NAME                    "DSA1:[000000]TEST.DAT;1" *         ORGANIZATION            sequential%         OWNER                   [1,1] C         PROTECTION              (system:RWED, owner:RWED, group:RE,  world:)    RECORD#         BLOCK_SPAN              yes /         CARRIAGE_CONTROL        carriage_return (         FORMAT                  variable!         SIZE                    0 ( $ append login.com dsa1:[000000]test.dat $ dir/fu dsa1:[000000]test.dat   Directory DSA1:[000000]   > TEST.DAT;1                    File ID:  (11,3,0)              - Size:         1004/1004       Owner:    [1,1] # Created:    16-AUG-2006 20:57:34.00 ' Revised:    16-AUG-2006 20:58:11.28 (3)  Expires:    <None specified>  Backup:     <No backup recorded> Effective:  <None specified> Recording:  <None specified> Accessed:   <None specified> Attributes: <None specified> Modified:   <None specified>
 Linkcount:  1  File organization:  Sequential Shelved state:      Online    Caching attribute:  WritethroughG File attributes:    Allocation: 1004, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0 $                     No version limitF Record format:      Variable length, maximum 0 bytes, longest 74 bytes4 Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: None= File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:  Access Cntrl List:  None Client attributes:  None  " Total of 1 file, 1004/1004 blocks.9 $ ana/rms/fdl dsa1:[000000]test.dat/output=test.fdl        $ type test.fdl A IDENT   "16-AUG-2006 20:58:25   OpenVMS ANALYZE/RMS_FILE Utility"    SYSTEM'         SOURCE                  OpenVMS    FILE$         ALLOCATION              1004"         BEST_TRY_CONTIGUOUS     no!         CLUSTER_SIZE            4 "         CONTIGUOUS              no!         EXTENSION               0 "         FILE_MONITORING         no!         GLOBAL_BUFFER_COUNT     0 9         NAME                    "DSA1:[000000]TEST.DAT;1" *         ORGANIZATION            sequential%         OWNER                   [1,1] C         PROTECTION              (system:RWED, owner:RWED, group:RE,  world:)    RECORD#         BLOCK_SPAN              yes /         CARRIAGE_CONTROL        carriage_return (         FORMAT                  variable!         SIZE                    0  $   : Before APPENDing, the file is flagged as contiguous (*NOT*H contiguous-best-try!). The APPEND succeeds. After, the file is no longer contiguous.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.456 ************************