1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 21 Aug 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 464       Contents:  Re: Alernative to Ctrl-Z in TYPE% Re: ANN: DynDNS update client for VMS % Re: ANN: DynDNS update client for VMS  Re: CFD - software% DEC is alive, in the pejorative sense ) Re: DEC is alive, in the pejorative sense  Difference between VM and VMS ! Re: Difference between VM and VMS ! Re: Difference between VM and VMS ! Re: Difference between VM and VMS ! Re: Open Source Hardware? (SPARC)  Re: Wireless handhelds  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:18:33 -0500 6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>) Subject: Re: Alernative to Ctrl-Z in TYPE 0 Message-ID: <44E8FBD9.458BD9C9@spam.comcast.net>   Dave Froble wrote: >  > Dave Froble wrote:. > > I just discovered something new.  (To me.) > > I > > My applications accept the backslash, "/E-xit", and Ctrl-Z as an exit : > > signal.  Ok, that's specific to the code I've written. > > / > > Ctrl-Z is an exit signal for VMS utilities.  > > H > > I was using TYPE/PAGE and inadvertantly typed a backslash instead ofK > > Ctrl-Z, and the utility exited to the DCL prompt.  Brain takes a bit to 7 > > assimilate this, then I try it again.  Exits again.  > > I > > This is on VAX/VMS V7.2.  Can anybody comment on when this capability  > > was introduced?  > >  > H > Ok, some experimentation seems to indicate that with a TYPE/PAGE entryA > of any (well, I tried a, b, c, and such) at the 'type return to J > continue' prompt will about the display of the file.  So nothing special > about the backslash.  H Hhmmm... Didn't know that, and don't have a (Micro)VAX running right now to check it out.  > What behavior do you see from TYPE/PAGE=SAVE? (yes, they *ARE* different).    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:12:58 -0500 6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>. Subject: Re: ANN: DynDNS update client for VMS, Message-ID: <44E8FA8A.E86F@spam.comcast.net>   Mark Daniel wrote: > - > Recent discussion of a DynDNS update client  > / >    http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/dyndns/  > I > in this forum prompted me to do something I'd been meaning to for years I > - put together a native version for VMS and move the update duties from F > my PC to my VMS system.  It has now been running for some four weeksH > without too many hiccoughs so you are welcome to give it a go as well.C > It requires the HP [Open]SSL product to be installed and started.  > F > A complementary application included, DynDNSrpt, is a CGI Web serverF > application that can be used as a basic reporting tool for the aboveF > application (should be suitable for Apache, OSU, Purveyor and WASD). > I > Setup, build instructions and revision log for each may be found in the @ > source code each of the respective applications once restored. > : > A ZIPed source-code kit (it is assumed users will be VMSB > enthusiasts/hobbiests with their own compiler) is available from > ! >    http://wasd.vsm.com.au/wasd/  >  > Hope it's useful.   @ Just wondering if this has any advantage over the WGET approach?   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:44:50 -0400 - From: bradhamilton <bradhamilton@comcast.net> . Subject: Re: ANN: DynDNS update client for VMS* Message-ID: <44E90202.1070901@comcast.net>   Mark Daniel wrote:- > Recent discussion of a DynDNS update client  > . >   http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/dyndns/ > J > in this forum prompted me to do something I'd been meaning to for years J > - put together a native version for VMS and move the update duties from G > my PC to my VMS system.  It has now been running for some four weeks  I > without too many hiccoughs so you are welcome to give it a go as well.  C > It requires the HP [Open]SSL product to be installed and started.  > G > A complementary application included, DynDNSrpt, is a CGI Web server  G > application that can be used as a basic reporting tool for the above  F > application (should be suitable for Apache, OSU, Purveyor and WASD). > J > Setup, build instructions and revision log for each may be found in the @ > source code each of the respective applications once restored. > ; > A ZIPed source-code kit (it is assumed users will be VMS  B > enthusiasts/hobbiests with their own compiler) is available from >   >   http://wasd.vsm.com.au/wasd/ >  > Hope it's useful.  >   D Thanks, Mark.  Where would be a good "place" to ask questions, etc?  Here, or INFO-WASD?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:59:49 -0500 6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> Subject: Re: CFD - software 0 Message-ID: <44E8F775.9917BFDF@spam.comcast.net>   "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > > -----Original Message-----6 > > From: BRANDON, JOHN M [mailto:brandon@dalsemi.com]! > > Sent: August 11, 2006 2:41 PM  > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > > Subject: Re: CFD - software  > > . > > Tom Linden [tom@kednos-remove.com] Writes:J > > > John,  why do you need CFD to analyze the computer center,  if it is> > > > airflow, temp and humidity  there are plenty of programs > > out there I am > > > sure.  > > 1 > > We are interested in airflow and temperature.  > > ? > > We have facilities stating we have plenty of A/C capacity -  > > which they are= > > starting to back off on - we have my long-haired ideas of  > > putting fans underA > > the floor to supplement a downed A/C unit.  We actually stuck  > > a high-powered@ > > fan under the floor - well 1/2 under 1/2 above - and covered > > it with cardboard = > > and duct tape - called it the turtle.  Yeah, crazy, and I  > > have damning evidence = > > to prove it (pictures that is).  The fan was not powerful  > > enough to create the@ > > airflow required and testing in a production environment put > > us on edge... so? > > we canceled any further investigation.  Hence the CFD path.  > > A > > Introduction of high-density servers is the problem.  Today's  > > equipment,A > > smaller, faster, produces the same if not more heat than that  > > of 5-10 years : > > ago.  Granted the dual-core processors reduce the heat > > generated by two< > > standalone processors, but they take up less space which > > translates to moreJ > > servers in that space - subsequently more heat.  Kind of like when the> > > politicians tell you that they are reducing spending - the > > reduce the amount of' > > spending they plan on increasing...  > >  > [snip...]  >  > John,  > 3 > The following whitepaper link may be of interest: J > http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/c00064724/c00064	 > 724.pdf 1 > "High Density Computing Data Centre Strategies"   F Figure 16 on page 15 seems to hold teh jernel of an idea, but needs toG be fleshed out to include suggestions on ways to provide for redundancy > and sufficient capacity for the future, not to mention adverse conditions.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:53:08 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> . Subject: DEC is alive, in the pejorative sense+ Message-ID: <44E8BD9E.10D9FDE@teksavvy.com>   E Am not through reading the book "DEC is dead, Long live DEC". But one H concept has struck me. The author has alluded multiple times already howC DEC focused on the customers it knew and could talk to (like minded E scientists/engineers), and the ones that could provide an interesting F challenge for DEC's engineers to build something that met their needs.  H The author even mentions how DECUS helped this process by making it easyE for Digital to focus only on a certain type of customers who attended B DECUS events and not really care much about the rest of the world.  E And this struck a nerve with me. In recent montsh/years, I have often D heard HP folks here mention VMS management's policy of responding toF existing customers' needs, and the need for such customers to "show meI the money" before requests for improvements/changes could be prioritised.     F This is the same error that Digital made earlier in its life, ignoringE what is going on in the rest of the world and failing to leverage its 9 potential outside of the few niche markets that are left.     D So either VMS is truly being wond down and a very specific policy ofE paliative care for the remaining customer base and no attempt to grow ? out of it, or VMS management still have the wrong "DNA" and are @ continuing the same errors of the past that have led to the huge+ disconnect between DEC and the marketplace.     < And just like in the past, there are many people pointing atE opportunities, but VMS management do not (or aren't able to) take the E risk, leap of faith to push their product into new markets (actually, 5 try to sell into markets it used to be succesful in).    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:40:35 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>2 Subject: Re: DEC is alive, in the pejorative senseG Message-ID: <sYWdnXrbZ_9JS3XZnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>    JF Mezei wrote: G > Am not through reading the book "DEC is dead, Long live DEC". But one J > concept has struck me. The author has alluded multiple times already howE > DEC focused on the customers it knew and could talk to (like minded  > scientists/engineers),  E Well, it's kind of difficult to focus on people who *aren't* talking  E with you (unless you're an 'evangelist', but that job classification  & hadn't yet been invented at the time).  E And suggesting that DEC's customer base (even only that subset which  G cared to talk with us) was some kind of narrow, out-of-touch clique is  D ludicrous:  many of them were ISVs and IHVs in their own right with H their own real-world customers to deal with - they were firmly grounded F in what their own varied needs and those of their customers were, and ! passed that information on to us.   0   and the ones that could provide an interestingH > challenge for DEC's engineers to build something that met their needs.  I That's not consistent with my own experience at DEC:  we certainly tried  H to give our entire range of customers the most bang for the buck rather H than play favorites by implementing niche-only features - and there was 9 plenty of globally-useful work to keep us more than busy.    > J > The author even mentions how DECUS helped this process by making it easyG > for Digital to focus only on a certain type of customers who attended D > DECUS events and not really care much about the rest of the world.  H Horseshit, unless they're talking about DEC after the early '80s (which G I'm not really qualified to comment upon as much).  A significant part  G of our job in engineering was to be familiar with real-world needs and  G very specifically with what our competition was (and was not) doing to  E address them (that really should have been more product management's  B job, but it often fell to us because product management was often  something of a joke).   C That being said, input from DECUS (and other customer sources) was  C extremely valuable to us in helping to sort those generally-useful  F features into priority order for our limited development resources to F address - and that input probably constituted a significant advantage % for DEC over most of its competition.    > G > And this struck a nerve with me. In recent montsh/years, I have often F > heard HP folks here mention VMS management's policy of responding toH > existing customers' needs, and the need for such customers to "show meK > the money" before requests for improvements/changes could be prioritised.  >  > H > This is the same error that Digital made earlier in its life, ignoringG > what is going on in the rest of the world and failing to leverage its ; > potential outside of the few niche markets that are left.   G Absolute horseshit, at least as far as the 'early' (pre-late-'80s) DEC  E went.  If anything, DEC in the '80s fell prey to the exact opposite:  I recklessly trying to broaden its markets into far more areas outside its  E existing core competencies than it could handle (or even understand)  D adequately - a perhaps unsurprising result of fast growth fueled by F great success plus the inclination of people to expand their personal C fiefdoms ('cancerous - as distinct from healthy - growth in middle  G management' might not be too bad an analogy).  The resulting bloat and  K lack of corporate focus was what KO failed to deal with and got ousted for.    >  > F > So either VMS is truly being wond down and a very specific policy ofG > paliative care for the remaining customer base and no attempt to grow  > out of it   F That's the situation - no need for any 'or' clause later.  In fact, I I think I even recall an explicit statement from HP to the effect that VMS  : was concentrating only on its existing established niches.   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Aug 2006 15:58:34 -0700( From: "Babu_Ram" <thecupid007@yahoo.com>& Subject: Difference between VM and VMSC Message-ID: <1156114714.323423.204030@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>   D In my work it is VM, Mainframe I believe VAX/VMS or OS 390, is there difference between VM and VMS?  @ Where can I find document to brush up my knowledge or VM or VMS?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:58:05 GMT . From: Jack Patteeuw <jack.patteeuw@nospam.net>* Subject: Re: Difference between VM and VMS> Message-ID: <hG6Gg.15008$gY6.14824@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>   Babu_Ram wrote: F > In my work it is VM, Mainframe I believe VAX/VMS or OS 390, is there  > difference between VM and VMS? > B > Where can I find document to brush up my knowledge or VM or VMS? >     . Well, it's kind of like the difference between   salt and pepper, or  chocolate and vanilla, or # red licorice and black licorice, or   snow skiing and water skiing, or rare roast beef and tofu, or+ driving a Ferrari and riding a unicycle, or      (add yours here)    ' If you have to ask, you'll never get it    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:14:52 -0400 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>* Subject: Re: Difference between VM and VMS, Message-ID: <WV6Gg.3851$_q4.3167@dukeread09>   Babu_Ram wrote: F > In my work it is VM, Mainframe I believe VAX/VMS or OS 390, is there  > difference between VM and VMS? > B > Where can I find document to brush up my knowledge or VM or VMS?  7 Two different operating systems. VM is from IBM. VMS is 8 from Digital/Compaq/HP. As far as I know, then they have3 nothing in common except the letters in their name.   . This group can probably help you with some VMS	 pointers.   8 You will need to ask in an appropriate IBM group for VM.   Arne  5 PS: I though VM/CMS was something used in 1980's !?!?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:31:44 -0500 6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>* Subject: Re: Difference between VM and VMS0 Message-ID: <44E8FEF0.D4F92F91@spam.comcast.net>   Babu_Ram wrote:  > F > In my work it is VM, Mainframe I believe VAX/VMS or OS 390, is there  > difference between VM and VMS? > B > Where can I find document to brush up my knowledge or VM or VMS?  C VM means "Virtual Machine". It runs on IBM mainframes. It is an IBM  product.  G VAX/VMS (Virtual Memory System) was the name of OpenVMS prior to V5.5-2 G for VAX. Since then, it has been known as OpenVMS-VAX or OpenVMS-Alpha, E plus now there's OpenVMS-I64 for Itanium. VMS was a Digital Equipment D Corporation (DEC) product originally. DEC was aqcuired by Compaq andH some version bear that company name in the boot-time banner. The remainsG of Compaq were acquired by HP. Some current versions of OpenVMS mention ( Hewlett Packard in the boot-time banner.  . For information on VM, try http://www.ibm.com/  > For information on (Open)VMS, see http://www.hp.com/go/openvms   Hope this helps.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Aug 2006 12:02:14 -0700( From: "geletine" <adaviscg1@hotmail.com>* Subject: Re: Open Source Hardware? (SPARC)C Message-ID: <1156100534.548323.237860@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>    Dan Foster wrote: E > > I think releasing this is more of a PR excersise. Some people who E > > interested in CPU design will find it interesting andit may be of D > > interest to kernel or complier developers but can most people do > > anything with this info.  C Its more than a PR excersise, SUN are going to open everything they E have, thats according to this interview with a Simon Phipps from Sun. # http://www.lugradio.org/episodes/52  > I > Pretty much these whom can realistically use this information: computer A > science students taking OS design courses, compiler writers, OS > > developers, and OS porters doing initial bringup for a port. > F the linux kernel has already been ported to this new chip, i would not1 be surprised if netbsd has support for it aswell.   E > Knowing this information would assist in porting other OSes to this A > hardware platform... which may be one of the reasons why Sun is  > releasing this. > no doubt it helped porting the linux kernel to it alot easier.    G how comes this is in a vms newsgroup ? is there  going to be a vms port  to this new chip?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:13:48 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Wireless handhelds , Message-ID: <44E8B469.ECBC1775@teksavvy.com>   One more thought:   K You may wish to consider enabling virtual terminals for telnet connections.   F This way, if a connection is lost, upon reconnecting, the user has theA option to reconnect to the previous session that was in progress.   G Question: for telnet, does the "do you wish to reconnect" work when the 1 second call comes in from a different IP address?    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.464 ************************