1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 04 Dec 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 666       Contents:) Re: CDL VMS fatal drive error Observation  Re: Christmas is coming!! , Re: Default sys$manager:sylogin.com question, Re: Default sys$manager:sylogin.com question4 HGLOGIN Use (was: Re: DECNET during SYSHUTDWN.COM ?) Re: Left in the dust? / Re: MON CLUSTER still broken (8.3 with 7.3 vax) / Re: MON CLUSTER still broken (8.3 with 7.3 vax) - Re: OT: Loreena McKennitt has a new album out  Re: R/C Plane with Video Servo Re: recursive copy in VMS 4 Re: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2006 15:29:36 -0800 ) From: "kiwi-red" <antonywardle@gmail.com> 2 Subject: Re: CDL VMS fatal drive error ObservationC Message-ID: <1165188576.465710.120750@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>    Thanks for replying.    F I mostly want to add this post to the group so that if someone else is trying to get it= configured, then they might have a chance in getting it going      cheers     kiwi   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 20:03:40 -0600 . From: Bob Blunt <RobertDOTblunt@digitalDOTcom>" Subject: Re: Christmas is coming!!: Message-ID: <VPGdnYZsEvQPHe7YnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:I > What does the subject have to do with these groups?  Well, as you know, G > you are all going to get a whole bunch of new toys this Christmas and G > your going to need room to stash them.  So, I am offering people here . > an opportunity to clean out that space.  :-) > G > I am looking for anyone who has the following that they would like to 
 > get rid of:  >  > disk mounts for the VS3100/ > disk/tk50 mounts for the MicroPDP or MicroVAX  > J > And a couple of much less likely pieces, but you don't know if you don't > ask: >  > SCSI Floppy drives > a SCSI 9 track drive >  > K > I am about to enter that period where I have to use all my "use-or-loose" H > vacation time.  That means free time at home for my personal projects.H > These items would sure help.  And, be honest, your wife has been after' > you to clean out the basement, right?  >  > bill >   D Bill, you're going to need to clarify here.  Do you mean the VS3100 F PLATE itself onto which disks mount or the screws and rubber grommets H that are used to mount SOME disks onto SOME disk plates?  Some disks on H the newer plates for the large box VS3100s don't even use the grommets, D they just screw right thru the plate into the mounting holes on the H drives directly.  I've got a pile of the style that use the grommet and ; a bunch of the direct mounting screws with captive washers.   ? No SCSI floppy drives at all, no SCSI 9-tracks I can part with.   H I can't remember if I have any of the plastic disk/tape mounting plates H used for RD drives and TK50s anymore.  I can look, but part of my stash H of the Really Old Stuff like that is in our lab in Alpharetta.  Some of H these I managed to use to build one-off cabinet mounting for really old , DLT-III drives, so I don't have many if any.   bob    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2006 13:02:14 -0800 ! From: "Ian Miller" <gxys@uk2.net> 5 Subject: Re: Default sys$manager:sylogin.com question C Message-ID: <1165179734.418072.172560@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   $ It could be the SET TERMINAL command   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 20:29:36 -0600 . From: Bob Blunt <RobertDOTblunt@digitalDOTcom>5 Subject: Re: Default sys$manager:sylogin.com question : Message-ID: <0JSdne0W7OY7G-7YnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@comcast.com>   Zack Kline wrote:  > Hello,G > Sorry for asking so beginner of a question here, but it's one which I  > consider somewhat important.H > Whenever I log in to an account, be it over Telnet or at the "console"I > of my machine, there is something in the default sylogin.com that comes G > with a new OpenVMS 7.3 install which causes the terminal screen to be G > cleared, except for the prompt.  I find this very annoying, because I G > don't get a chance to see things like my last interactive login time, H > etc.  While I doubt anyone would actually be able to break my account,E > it's still good to know.  Not to mention if I have mail messages... H > The problem is that I don't know which line, if any, it is that clearsE > the screen.  I know of only one command in DCL thus far that can do  > that:  > $ type/page nl: A > And I've not found that in the sylogin.com.  I'd appreciate any F > enlightenment as to what it is that happens, and if I can stop it or > change it somehow.  	 > Thanks,  > Zack.  >   H Zack, you can either edit SYLOGIN.COM and set verify or trust that it's G   the "set term/inquire."  Depending on what your terminal responds to  H the "who are you" escape sequence query that /inquire issues, you might A get a cleared screen or some gibberish like 0c0z and a long wait.   H The changes you might want to make are probably around a section of the , code in SYLOGIN after the "MODE_INTERACTIVE"  G There are also simple escape sequences that can be written with DCL to  E sys$output that cause the screen to clear and various other terminal   attributes to be changed.    bob    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 20:23:07 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com= Subject: HGLOGIN Use (was: Re: DECNET during SYSHUTDWN.COM ?) Q Message-ID: <OF066A0067.A2F84FC6-ON8525723A.00076143-8525723A.00079B8A@metso.com>   + This is a multipart message in MIME format. " --=_alternative 00079B858525723A_=, Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"  E "Malcolm Dunnett" <info@cruising-for-a-cause.ca> wrote on 12/03/2006   01:10:21 PM:  = > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  4 > news:b1dd0$4572ba2b$cef8887a$19548@TEKSAVVY.COM...F > |I need to run a task during system shutdown under a different user. > | F > | During the execution of SYSHUTDWN.COM, is DECNET (4) garanteed to  still be > | available ?  > |  > | I > | I tried it just now, and it seemed to work. But am wondering whether   this( > | would be acceptable practice or not. > |  > B > When I need to do this ( eg to shut down Oracle ) I use HGLOGIN.  C I have trouble with HGLOGIN not handling "SET TERMINAL/INQUIRE" in  H the SYLOGIN.COM.  Last I asked, this had not been fixed.  It work(s/ed) 
 in GLOGIN.  A > It should be on the freeware disks, or you can retrieve it from  > various web sites, eg > > http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?HGLOGIN > $ > | I do a TYPE 0"user"::"0=procnam" > |  > | and in procnam.com, I  > |  > | $OPEN/write TEMP SYS$NET8 > | $write temp "Starting shutdown of chocolate factory" > | $@chocolate_shutdown< > | $write temp "Chocolate factory shutdown, JF will starve" > | $close temp  > |  >  >  You could do something like:  >  >   HGLOGIN user @procnam.com  > 8 > you wouldn't need the open/close to temp, hglogin will0 > direct sys$output back to the calling process. >   " --=_alternative 00079B858525723A_=+ Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"      <br>U <br><font size=2><tt>&quot;Malcolm Dunnett&quot; &lt;info@cruising-for-a-cause.ca&gt; $ wrote on 12/03/2006 01:10:21 PM:<br> <br>G &gt; &quot;JF Mezei&quot; &lt;jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com&gt; wrote in  message <br>; &gt; news:b1dd0$4572ba2b$cef8887a$19548@TEKSAVVY.COM...<br> M &gt; |I need to run a task during system shutdown under a different user.<br> 
 &gt; |<br>H &gt; | During the execution of SYSHUTDWN.COM, is DECNET (4) garanteed to still be<br> &gt; | available ?<br>
 &gt; |<br>
 &gt; |<br>K &gt; | I tried it just now, and it seemed to work. But am wondering whether  this<br>/ &gt; | would be acceptable practice or not.<br> 
 &gt; |<br>	 &gt; <br> Q &gt; When I need to do this ( eg to shut down Oracle ) I use HGLOGIN.</tt></font>  <br>G <br><font size=2><tt>I have trouble with HGLOGIN not handling &quot;SET & TERMINAL/INQUIRE&quot; in </tt></font>F <br><font size=2><tt>the SYLOGIN.COM. &nbsp;Last I asked, this had not, been fixed. &nbsp;It work(s/ed) </tt></font>+ <br><font size=2><tt>in GLOGIN.</tt></font>  <br>H <br><font size=2><tt>&gt; It should be on the freeware disks, or you can retrieve it from<br> &gt; various web sites, eg <br> E &gt; http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?HGLOGIN<br> 	 &gt; <br> ? &gt; | I do a TYPE 0&quot;user&quot;::&quot;0=procnam&quot;<br> 
 &gt; |<br>  &gt; | and in procnam.com, I<br>
 &gt; |<br># &gt; | $OPEN/write TEMP SYS$NET<br> I &gt; | $write temp &quot;Starting shutdown of chocolate factory&quot;<br>  &gt; | $@chocolate_shutdown<br> M &gt; | $write temp &quot;Chocolate factory shutdown, JF will starve&quot;<br>  &gt; | $close temp<br>
 &gt; |<br>	 &gt; <br> + &gt; &nbsp;You could do something like:<br> 	 &gt; <br> ) &gt; &nbsp; HGLOGIN user @procnam.com<br> 	 &gt; <br> ? &gt; you wouldn't need the open/close to temp, hglogin will<br> 7 &gt; direct sys$output back to the calling process.<br> 	 &gt; <br>  </tt></font>$ --=_alternative 00079B858525723A_=--   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2006 12:05:13 -0800 ( From: "Zack Kline" <Z_kline@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Left in the dust?B Message-ID: <1165176313.759980.306630@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>   Paul Sture wrote: E > In article <1165134928.614648.153930@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, , >  "Zack Kline" <Z_kline@hotmail.com> wrote: >  > > JF Mezei wrote:  > > N > > > Use google on comp.os.vms for "DS10L blowout"  in september or august ofQ > > > 2007. You'll find a very affordable Alpha box.  And that can brig you up to  > > > date.  > > I > > While this is a good idea, it is sadly out of my capabilities.  I'm a J > > computer user who is totally blind.  Emulation is about the only routeD > > for me simply because the screen reading software is written forG > > Windows, (and now MAC OS X), because those are the systems that get H > > market share.  Linux has a few offerings here and their, and they'reF > > admirable for what they are, but they aren't VMS or even VMS-like. > C > Would the screen reading software be able to work with a terminal I > emulator running on Wndows or OS X connected to an Alpha? Alphas can be . > run from a text only terminal, and many are. >  > - D I suppose that's possible.  I don't have the resources at present toF buy an Alpha, though, or an emulated Alpha even.  The setup would be aE bit cumbersome to maintain, in my view, just because of how seemingly G complex it'd be.  Windows OSes aren't stable, not really.  And in order G to get the kind of situation I'm in now with the emulation, I'd need to D keep a terminal window open pretty near constantly.  The prospect ofB some hardware failure or other is a little worrysome to me as wellE simply because I've seen too many computers which I thought were very B well-off simply not work as expected.  All told, though, I supposeF that's an idea, if there's absolutely nothing to be done about the VAX problem.
 Thanks again,  Zack.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2006 11:32:34 -0800 ! From: "Ian Miller" <gxys@uk2.net> 8 Subject: Re: MON CLUSTER still broken (8.3 with 7.3 vax)C Message-ID: <1165174354.204648.132920@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   % what did HP say when you reported it?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 17:00:28 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 8 Subject: Re: MON CLUSTER still broken (8.3 with 7.3 vax)8 Message-ID: <8f9a4$45734900$cef8887a$11750@TEKSAVVY.COM>   Ian Miller wrote: ' > what did HP say when you reported it?   J I believe it is documented in the 8.3 release notes, telling customers to 7 await a patch. (but my memory could be faulty on this).    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 22:26:38 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>6 Subject: Re: OT: Loreena McKennitt has a new album out+ Message-ID: <yaIch.21471$kz1.5472@trnddc07>   = Patrick MOREAU, DTI Athis ex CENA, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40 wrote: } > In article <8660a3a10612012329l5116c6b1p2d3a3add0243acd7@mail.gmail.com>, "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> writes:  > [...]  > F >>Okay , if you like fiddle music--Martin Hayes and Dennis Cahill "The >>Lonesome Touch"  >>, >>and there's always The Battlefield Band. , >> >>WWWebb >>--   >  > - > Ah, yes, I kown Battlefied Band. Very Nice.  > C > I love fiddle music, especially Eileen Ivers and Alasdair Fraser.  > : > I also love uileann pipe: Liam O'Flynn, Paddy Keenan ... > 7 > Other nice bands: Nightnoise, The Pentangle, Clannad.   C I was listening to Pentangle's 1st album on the CD player in my car D on the way to work today...  I'm not familiar with most of the otherD bands mentioned in this thread, though, so it sounds like I've got a project :-)    > B > One of my favorite bands was The Bothy Band (with Paddy Keenan). > 	 > Patrick  > --Q > =============================================================================== P > pmoreau@ath.cena.fr              ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)6 > DSNA/DTI/SDER (ex CENA)         / /   /     / /|  /|L > Athis-Mons France              / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  P > BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |P > 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|P > http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/              http://membres.lycos.fr/pmoreau/Q > ===============================================================================      --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 22:52:18 -0500) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> ' Subject: Re: R/C Plane with Video Servo ; Message-ID: <45739a7f$0$1635$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   K > Google keeps adding functionality to their web page and I am now able to  ; > download this video. First off, click the following link: H > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2237947353453839215&q=bromont  > Then click the DOWNLOAD buttonH > Now click "download and install the Google player" (only do this once)G > Now click "manually download the video" (it will look for the player) H > Let the whole file load into your player (look at the grey bar on the 	 > slider) 3 > Now open your "My Documents" folder on Windows-Xp ! > Now open the "My Videos" folder % > Now open the "Google Videos" folder D > Now rename file "Bromont golf club.gvi" to "Bromont golf club.mpg" >   I Oops. Google stores the majority of their files in DivX format so ".mpg"   would not be correct.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2006 12:33:25 -0800 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>" Subject: Re: recursive copy in VMSA Message-ID: <1165178005.508752.45630@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Joseph Huber wrote: H > > Others have answered the recursive question, one observation though: > J > One more observation: To make sure you get all files and all contents of > filles, also include:  >  > /IGNORE=(interlock,nobackup) > J > First one allows you to copy files that are currently opened. Second one  D Be warned that files open for write may be copied in an inconsistent7 fashion, though such a copy may be better than no copy.   L > copies the contents of files marked as "nobackup". Without it, those filesM > get created in the destination directory with the same size and attributes, " > but without any of the contents.  E Normally only page- and swap-files have this attribute. And since you B DON'T want to back up their contents, there is usually no need forF /IGNORE=BACKUP. Other files would have had to have been explicitly setE with the nobackup attribute, in which case you didn't want their data B backed up anyway! So I think it would be a rare occasion for which /IGNORE=BACKUP is needed.    [...]    AEF    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 23:01:30 -0600 2 From: pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter)= Subject: Re: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC : Message-ID: <c7ednW9ryqY3Nu7YnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@comcast.com>  ? In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-0dYBihSd4ZT6@dave2_os2.home.ours>, 1 Dave Weatherall <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> wrote: 3 >On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:14:07 UTC, Stephen Hoffman  * ><Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org> wrote: >  >> Dave Weatherall wrote:  >>  ; >> > ISTR hat Linux does DecNet - haven't tried it yet tho'  >>  F >>    Linux and various Unix systems have DECnet capabilities.  I was D >> dealing with a Sun SunOS box doing DECnet and even providing MOP M >> downloads for feeding bits into DECserver devices almost twenty years ago.  > + >Hm! must check if Solaris can still do it.  >  >--  >Cheers - Dave W.   G IIRC it was a third-party DECnet program...  I know Concurrent/Masscomp H and Sun had offerings in this area (I think it was a third party package OEM'd by the computer makers).   Bill --   --  <   "When I think back on all the crap I learned in Vax schoolG   It's a wonder I fixed anything at all."   (to the tune of Kodachrome)    pechter-at-ureach.com    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.666 ************************