1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 05 Dec 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 669       Contents: Alpha sales extended 6 months ! Re: Alpha sales extended 6 months ! Re: Alpha sales extended 6 months ! Re: Alpha sales extended 6 months  Alternative to FTP Re: Alternative to FTP0 Re: Cluster connection lost when one link fails? Re: IP over Fiber Channel * Re: Moving privileged from VMS 7.2 to 8.x? Re: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions- Re: OT: Loreena McKennitt has a new album out  Re: recursive copy in VMS G Seemingly different results with backup of file in and out of procedure P Seemingly different results with backup of file in and out of procedure [SOLVED]! Re: VAX 11/730 SABACKUP questions  VMS  Alpha  Console (VGA)  Re: VMS  Alpha  Console (VGA)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2006 07:48:11 -0800 ) From: "DaveG" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> & Subject: Alpha sales extended 6 monthsC Message-ID: <1165333691.027337.120430@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   9 http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=06/12/04/4813299    Interesting.   Dave...    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2006 08:00:12 -0800 ! From: "Ian Miller" <gxys@uk2.net> * Subject: Re: Alpha sales extended 6 monthsA Message-ID: <1165334411.655374.34010@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>   % This was hinted at in the VMS roadmap   E "Alpha Systems begin their phase down at the end of October 2006 with @ the end of normal ordering for systems. After October, HP cannotG guarantee that a product will be available, but will accept an order if * the company has some left over inventory."  0 but HP have gone further with the new statement.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:21:01 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> * Subject: Re: Alpha sales extended 6 months7 Message-ID: <5719b$45759c75$cef8887a$2305@TEKSAVVY.COM>   J When I heard through the grapevine is that demand for Alphas had actually M increased significantly and customers wanted more time to still order Alphas.   K  From HP's point of view, a customer not allowed to order enough Alphas to  J last a number of years would be a customer migrating to a non-HP solution L sooner. Allowing them to buy Alphas makes that customer stay with HP longer.  J And hopefully by next year, HP will have announced the port of VMS to the J 64 bit 8086 at which point customers will know the next platform is going  to be a long term one.  - IA64 is seen as a temporary stop gap measure.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 08:28:48 -0800 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> * Subject: Re: Alpha sales extended 6 months+ Message-ID: <el46o2$t52$1@naig.caltech.edu>    DaveG wrote:; > http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=06/12/04/4813299  >  Quote:  >    As part of this plan, we ensured we had sufficient materialA    to cover any pre-retirement surge in demand. Although the last @    sale date has passed, we are now able to continue sales while8    materials last for orders received by HP on or beforeA    April 27, 2007, with scheduled delivery through July 27, 2007.   : One possible translation:  the hypothetical pre-retirement7 surge in demand either did not occur, or it was smaller : than expected, so HP still has hardware in the warehouses.9 Rather than sending it to the junkyard and writing it off + as a loss they are extending the sale date.   @ The only upside of this is, I suppose, that if the stuff lingersC in the HP warehouses long enough David Turner might be able to pick C up the lot of it for a song.  Then HP can proudly announce the sale = (as opposed to the junking) of "all remaining alpha systems".    Regards,   David Mathog   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2006 08:43:30 -0800   From: "Mike" <mlpoole@gmail.com> Subject: Alternative to FTP B Message-ID: <1165337010.585911.35230@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Hi all,   E I have a flat text file that gets ftp'd out of our Alpha to a Windows E machine, gets processed and modified, and then gets ftp'd back to the  Alpha.  D The information in the flat text file is sensitive and confidential.  B What is the best way to transfer the file that will work with both Windows and VMS (7-3_2)?  G We are using the DOS prompt to FTP because all the fancy .NET ftp stuff  doesn't seem to like VMS.   G Would Advanced Server help in this case or should we use something like  SSH?     Thanks!    Mike   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2006 08:55:39 -0800 ! From: "Ian Miller" <gxys@uk2.net>  Subject: Re: Alternative to FTP B Message-ID: <1165337739.429931.242710@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>  : sftp (ssh) with certificates instead of username/password.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2006 23:37:10 -0800 / From: "Volker Halle" <volker_halle@hotmail.com> 9 Subject: Re: Cluster connection lost when one link fails? B Message-ID: <1165304230.438224.105290@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>   Verne,  G yes, you can influence the selection of the PE CHANNELs for SCS traffic E using priorities. But in this case, the problem is that the valid and F working second channel is not automatically used to re-form the VC, if the other channel fails.   Malcolm,  E could you please check the VCRP end action routines for all the 7 LAN D packets in the Transmit Pending Queue of your EWB device (the failed one) ?   SDA>  vali que/lis 88AFA3D8  ...   A then exa @(xxxxxxxx+VCRP$A_END_ACTION) for all the packets in the D queue. xxxxxxxx being the addresses in column 2 (labeled Address) in? the rows labeled 1. to 7. There should be 5 VCRPs from PEDRIVER ; (according to Outstand I/Os =  5 in the EWB BUS structure).    Volker.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2006 01:21:04 -0800 ! From: "Ian Miller" <gxys@uk2.net> " Subject: Re: IP over Fiber ChannelB Message-ID: <1165310464.021740.165280@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>  A The VMS roadmap slide 20 mentions 10Gb NIC and PCI-X support with  >1 Gbit NIC  >10 Gbit NIC  G no mention of IP over FC. There are boxes that will do this if you want 3 to share your intersite fibre with storage traffic.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2006 04:21:20 -0800  From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk3 Subject: Re: Moving privileged from VMS 7.2 to 8.x? B Message-ID: <1165321280.740372.138530@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>  C It depends what the business drivers are in this case.  If you need G later hardware, you'll need an upgrade.  If you want features from 8.3,  you'll need and upgrade.  E If, on the other hand, it's a support issue, then I'm sure HP will be > able to support the present version of VMS for you at a price.  * You pays your money and takes your choice.   Steve    Carl Karcher wrote: D > I'm pretty certain this can't be done, but to eliminate any doubt: > G > I have a privileged image (MPRIV.EXE from Intersystems ISM V6.4) that G > is currently running on Alpha VMS 7.3-2. I need to upgrade to VMS 8.3 E > but there's no upgrade for that product available - they want me to F > migrate to the current product Cache which would require developmentG > (that the customer isn't going to pay for). There are no OBJ's on the 0 > distribution CD so relinking is not an option. > E > Am I correct in thinking that no amount of tinkering will make that B > existing 7.3 image work on 8.3? E.g. defining sys$base_image andE > sys$public_vectors logicals in exec mode to point at V7.3 copies of C > those images. Those are the only sharable images in the list from  > ANALYZE/IMAGE. >  >  > --I > -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison = > --                      karcher.n0m0respam@waisman.wisc.edu    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2006 00:57:43 -0800  From: "MZN" <MikeZmn@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Novice's questions B Message-ID: <1165309063.571672.45790@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>  F I installed OpenVMS 8.3, and created CD with license files. Shorter of them looks like:" $ LICENSE REGISTER OPENVMS-ALPHA - /ISSUER=OPENVMS_HOBBYIST -, /AUTHORIZATION=HOBBY-USA-******-******-*** - /PRODUCER=HP -
 /UNITS=0 -  /TERMINATION_DATE=10-NOV-2007  - /ACTIVITY=CONSTANT=100 - /OPTIONS=(NO_SHARE) -  /TOKEN="**********" -  /CHECKSUM=*-****-****-****-****  $ LICENSE LOAD OPENVMS-ALPHA $ Exit  " (some letters here I changed by *)  E When I login in Alpha machine to console, I can read CD with licenses D on Alpha, I may copy and rename these files, but when I gave command
 $ @VMS_PAK( I receive error "too many parameters..."  4 What's wrong? I suspect problem is in license files.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2006 02:11:39 -0800  From: "MZN" <MikeZmn@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Novice's questions B Message-ID: <1165313499.654226.288380@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>   """Steven M. Schweda (): """ 0 I changed HP by DEC - no luck. I made SET VERIFYG 1st time it showed /PATENT/ . I found it word in comments $! and delete 
 all comments. 2 Now it gives the same without noting what's wrong.H >    You might try "SET VERIFY" before "@VMS_PAK", so you can see what'sJ > generating the complaint.  Otherwise, assuming that your "looks like" isE > accurate, it looks ok to me.  Actual output from "TYPE VMS_PAK.COM"  > might be interesting, too.C I write it from Windows machine, so I can't give actual output from  TYPE VMS_PAK.COM. ! On screen it looks same as above. D May be the fact that now I run it from cd is important? File name is VMS_PAK.COM    > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 5 >    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 6 >    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818 >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2006 02:41:49 -0800  From: "MZN" <MikeZmn@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Novice's questions B Message-ID: <1165315309.244601.234240@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>   """JF Mezei ():  """ K > It would have been useful for you to post a few lines before the "patent" @ > and after the "Patent" so we could see what exactly was wrong.   First edition:/ $!                                      GENERAL  $!F $!    You are responsible for compliance with all applicable export or	 re-export D $!    control laws and regulations if you export the Software.  This Agreement isG $!    governed by and is to be construed under the laws of the State of  Texas. $!A $!    If you have any questions concerning this Agreement, please  contact your= $!    local COMPAQ sales office or write to:  Compaq Computer  Corporation,C $!    Software Business Practices, ZK01-2/D22, 110 Spit Brook Road,  Nashua, NH.  $!    03062-2698.  $!> $!    COMPAQ and the Compaq logo Registered in U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. C $!    All other product names mentioned herein may be trademarks of  their  $!    respective companies. 0 $!    Copyright 2000 Compaq Computer Corporation $! $!D $!    Usage of this licenses consistutes agreement with all terms of
 this Hobbyist  $!    License Agreement  $!" $ LICENSE REGISTER OPENVMS-ALPHA - /ISSUER=OPENVMS_HOBBYIST -    ) Now I deleted all lines beginning from $!    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2006 03:20:22 -0800  From: "MZN" <MikeZmn@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Novice's questions A Message-ID: <1165317622.723569.43560@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>   F I enter OpenVMS license by hands repeating output of TYPE command. All is OK.  ' Question how to enter others is remain.    Another questions are:  B 1. Where I can find CD image for 8.3 LP that I can burn on windows machine?   2. How to install LP?   C 3. I have 55+1 licenses, but I read that total its quantity is 104. 
 What's wrong?    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2006 04:04:42 -0800  From: "MZN" <MikeZmn@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Novice's questions B Message-ID: <1165320282.817635.324900@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>   """Jan-Erik Soderholm ():  """ 
 > MZN wrote : J > > I enter OpenVMS license by hands repeating output of TYPE command. All
 > > is OK. > + > Why not cut-n-paste between the windows ?  > ; > I enter my first round of licenses (before TCPIP is "up") < > using cut-n-paste between notepad (or the mail-tool) to an= > VT-emulator running on the serial console. No need to enter  > anything by hand...   D Unfortunately I don't know how... And, it's a new fresh install, may that is a reason...  > 
 > Jan-Erik   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2006 04:11:25 -0800  From: "MZN" <MikeZmn@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Novice's questions C Message-ID: <1165320685.480649.130300@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    """Robert Deininger ():  """ L > If you received licenses by e-mail, there's a good chance your mail clientG > "fixed" the line breaks according to it's own stupid ideas about line  > wrapping.   5 I think so, because SET VERIFY gives /ENSE/ and /NOV/  > G > Microsoft Outlook is notorious for messing up the text of VMS command H > files like these.  Look for a message near the top of the email windowL > that say "Outlook has removed extra line breaks" or some similar glop.  IfL > you right-click on that message, you might get a menu that lets you change > the line break behavior.  * I use The Bat mail client. I'll check  it. > I > From your "too many parameters" VMS problem, almost certainly something H > messed up the line breaks in your file. The lines starting with $! areG > comments, and deleting comments shouldn't matter.   You probably also D > deleted the text that was wrapped onto the next line by something. > F > As others have noted, the PAKs with /PRODUCER=HP probably need to beI > replaced.  You can REGISTER them, and you can LOAD them, but they won't D > satisfy the license requirements for the products you want to use.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:14:04 GMT G From: =?KOI8-R?Q?Jan-Erik_So=22derholm?= <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com>  Subject: Re: Novice's questions 3 Message-ID: <wgedh.25457$E02.10274@newsb.telia.net>   
 MZN skrev:  ! > """Jan-Erik Soderholm ():  > """  >> MZN wrote :J >>> I enter OpenVMS license by hands repeating output of TYPE command. All
 >>> is OK., >> Why not cut-n-paste between the windows ? >>< >> I enter my first round of licenses (before TCPIP is "up")= >> using cut-n-paste between notepad (or the mail-tool) to an > >> VT-emulator running on the serial console. No need to enter >> anything by hand... > # > Unfortunately I don't know how...    Don't know how to do *what* ?   $ > And, it's a new fresh install, may > that is a reason...    Where do you "TYPE" the PAK's ? ' And where do you enter them "by hand" ?   	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2006 05:33:01 -0800  From: "MZN" <MikeZmn@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Novice's questions A Message-ID: <1165325581.491299.32480@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>   3 """Jan-Erik =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB(=D0=B0):  """  > MZN skrev: > A > > """Jan-Erik Soderholm =C3=90=C3=89=C3=93=C3=81=C3=8C(=C3=81):  > > """  > >> MZN wrote :L > >>> I enter OpenVMS license by hands repeating output of TYPE command. All > >>> is OK.. > >> Why not cut-n-paste between the windows ? > >>> > >> I enter my first round of licenses (before TCPIP is "up")? > >> using cut-n-paste between notepad (or the mail-tool) to an @ > >> VT-emulator running on the serial console. No need to enter > >> anything by hand... > > % > > Unfortunately I don't know how...  >  > Don't know how to do *what* ? E  All time I hear about Serial Console. I'm completely don't know what F it means. I suppose that it's some kind of connection PC to Alpha, but0 I don't know how to do that. What kind of cable? How Windows will look to it?   > & > > And, it's a new fresh install, may > > that is a reason...  > ! > Where do you "TYPE" the PAK's ? ) > And where do you enter them "by hand" ? D I console on Alpha machine. But now when I register "by hands" after@ reboot VMS shows me window with login to Motif, and when I inputG "SYSTEM" with password (as earlier in console) it tells me that product D (Motif) isn't registered and that's all. By my experience, I need in reinstall OS again.  >=20 > Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:48:07 GMT . From: =?UTF-8?B?SmFuLUVyaWsgU8O2ZGVyaG9sbQ==?= Subject: Re: Novice's questions 3 Message-ID: <rMedh.25458$E02.10427@newsb.telia.net>    MZN wrote :   F > All time I hear about Serial Console. I'm completely don't know whatH > it means. I suppose that it's some kind of connection PC to Alpha, but2 > I don't know how to do that. What kind of cable? > How Windows will look to it?  @ A Serial cable with mathing connectors (depends on your system).5 Use any VT-emulator. Even HyperTerm "works" for this.   F > I console on Alpha machine. But now when I register "by hands" after3 > reboot VMS shows me window with login to Motif,..   C OK. The first thing *I* do with all VMS systems I'm responsable for B (including those at home) is to rip out any graphical cards in it.  7 Some others seems to think VMS is a "desktop" OS... :-)     > and when I input I > "SYSTEM" with password (as earlier in console) it tells me that product F > (Motif) isn't registered and that's all. By my experience, I need in > reinstall OS again.   < Yep, everything is so much easier if simply using the serial
 console port.   
 /Jan-Erik.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2006 05:53:54 -0800  From: "MZN" <MikeZmn@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Novice's questions B Message-ID: <1165326834.198545.117660@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>  3 """Jan-Erik =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB(=D0=B0):  """  > MZN skrev: > A > > """Jan-Erik Soderholm =C3=90=C3=89=C3=93=C3=81=C3=8C(=C3=81):  > > """  > >> MZN wrote :L > >>> I enter OpenVMS license by hands repeating output of TYPE command. All > >>> is OK.. > >> Why not cut-n-paste between the windows ? > >>> > >> I enter my first round of licenses (before TCPIP is "up")? > >> using cut-n-paste between notepad (or the mail-tool) to an @ > >> VT-emulator running on the serial console. No need to enter > >> anything by hand... > > % > > Unfortunately I don't know how...  >  > Don't know how to do *what* ? E  All time I hear about Serial Console. I'm completely don't know what F it means. I suppose that it's some kind of connection PC to Alpha, but0 I don't know how to do that. What kind of cable? How Windows will look to it?   > & > > And, it's a new fresh install, may > > that is a reason...  > ! > Where do you "TYPE" the PAK's ? ) > And where do you enter them "by hand" ? D I console on Alpha machine. But now when I register "by hands" after@ reboot VMS shows me window with login to Motif, and when I inputG "SYSTEM" with password (as earlier in console) it tells me that product D (Motif) isn't registered and that's all. By my experience, I need in reinstall OS again.  >=20 > Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2006 06:02:00 -0800  From: "MZN" <MikeZmn@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Novice's questions B Message-ID: <1165327320.395989.45330@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   """Jan-Erik Soderholm ():  """ 
 > MZN wrote :  > H > > All time I hear about Serial Console. I'm completely don't know whatJ > > it means. I suppose that it's some kind of connection PC to Alpha, but4 > > I don't know how to do that. What kind of cable?  > > How Windows will look to it? > B > A Serial cable with mathing connectors (depends on your system).7 > Use any VT-emulator. Even HyperTerm "works" for this.   E Hm. What kind of connections should have cable? I have regular serial E port on PC (never used it) and XP1000 machine. What cable I need? How B to establish connection from PC side? Do I need to do something on Alpha side?   H > > I console on Alpha machine. But now when I register "by hands" after5 > > reboot VMS shows me window with login to Motif,..  > E > OK. The first thing *I* do with all VMS systems I'm responsable for D > (including those at home) is to rip out any graphical cards in it. > 9 > Some others seems to think VMS is a "desktop" OS... :-)    Hope it's desktop a little.. :)  >  >  > and when I input K > > "SYSTEM" with password (as earlier in console) it tells me that product H > > (Motif) isn't registered and that's all. By my experience, I need in > > reinstall OS again.  > > > Yep, everything is so much easier if simply using the serial > console port.  >   = Now I understand why Windows so populer. It needs no brain...  > /Jan-Erik.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2006 08:22:07 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Novice's questions 3 Message-ID: <V4LWRay$RNO4@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <1165309063.571672.45790@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, "MZN" <MikeZmn@gmail.com> writes: > G > When I login in Alpha machine to console, I can read CD with licenses F > on Alpha, I may copy and rename these files, but when I gave command > $ @VMS_PAK* > I receive error "too many parameters..." > 6 > What's wrong? I suspect problem is in license files.      Try:       $ set verify 
    $ @VMS_PAK   G    and then you'll know which command is really failing instead of just D    being suspicious.  And you can post just that command hee, but beH    sure to cut and paste exactly as it is and then just overwrite some *.    if their are fields that need to be hidden.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 09:28:07 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Novice's questions 8 Message-ID: <8eaef$457581ff$cef8887a$25564@TEKSAVVY.COM>  
 MZN wrote:F > I console on Alpha machine. But now when I register "by hands" afterB > reboot VMS shows me window with login to Motif, and when I inputI > "SYSTEM" with password (as earlier in console) it tells me that product F > (Motif) isn't registered and that's all. By my experience, I need in > reinstall OS again.     E As others have said, accessing the system from the serial console is   initially much easier.   at the >>> SET CONSOLE SERIAL   H Then you connect a serial cable to the back of the machine in the first L seraial pprt (COM1) and then use a serial communications program on your PC K such as Kermit or Hyperterm, set it to 9600 baud 8 bits no parity Xon-Xoff  H flow control and connect. Pressing return should get you the >>> prompt.  = If you do not succeed, you can still use the graphic console.    One thing you can try:K When you login on the GUI login screen, press the "OPTIONS" button, and in  D the session type, you choose "failsafe" instead of "New desktop" or K "DecWindows"  This *MAY* bypass the licencing issue. It gives you a single  1 DECTERM window from which you can issue commands.    If this does not work:  # at the >>> prompt prior to booting:     >>> SET BOOT_OSFLAGS 0,1 	  >>> BOOT    this gives you into  SYSBOOT> SYSBOOT> SET WINDOW_SYSTEM 0 SYSBOOT> CONTINUE   D This will prevent decwindows from starting. and you then get a very J primitive character cell interface on the video screen.  (press return to < get the login prompt after the system has finished booting).  . To re-enable decwindows from the $ sign on VMS $ MC SYSGEN  SYSGEN> USE CURRENT  SYSGEN> SET WINDOW_SYSTEM 2  SYSGEN>	WRITE CURRENT  SYSGEN> EXIT  ; Then, when you reboot, decwindows software will be started.   = Another thing: you can enter licences in a prompted way with:    $ @SYS$UPDATE:VMSLICENSE  J It prompts for individual components fo a licence and you can more easily + ensure each component is entererd properly.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2006 08:29:18 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Novice's questions 3 Message-ID: <$$UTzlxBFqKC@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <1165315309.244601.234240@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>, "MZN" <MikeZmn@gmail.com> writes: >    > $!@ > $!    COMPAQ and the Compaq logo Registered in U.S. Patent and > Trademark Office. E > $!    All other product names mentioned herein may be trademarks of  > their   B    Since the "patent" line is a valid comment, I suspect somethingC    has happened to the RMS attributes of files to make it look like 3    there's a line break in the middle of that line.   @    Try /undefined_fat options to see if you can get around this.  @    We might be able to help you with the options of you can tellA    us what system you burned the CD on and what steps you took to     get the files there.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 09:43:31 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Novice's questions 8 Message-ID: <a880b$4575859b$cef8887a$26792@TEKSAVVY.COM>  ) 1- There is no need to re-install the OS.     H 2- Boot with the X windows disabled (WINDOW_SYSTEM = 0 ), then manuelly  ejnter the following licences: 	OPENVMS-ALPHA	 	DW-MOTIF  	UCX  B   Use the @SYS$UPDATE:VMSLICENSE to manually enter each attribute.  I UCX gives you TCPIP services. Once you have configured the TCPIP stack (  J @SYS$MANAGER:TPCIP$CONFIG ), you can then use FTP to copy over files that 2 were created on the PC (from PC based emails etc).   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2006 07:01:52 -0800  From: davidc@montagar.com  Subject: Re: Novice's questions B Message-ID: <1165330912.485964.155210@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  
 MZN wrote:% > Thanks, but I still have questions:  > E > 2. | more doesn't work in OVMS (with and without space). But no any ( > licenses installed. What's the reason?  G While under OpenVMS (after you've booted), the Unix-like command piping  would look like this: ( $ PIPE SHOW DEVICE | TYPE/PAGE SYS$INPUT  E The PIPE command establishes the piped output chaining, and TYPE/PAGE < SYS$INPUT is the DCL counterpart to "more" in this instance.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2006 07:05:45 -0800  From: "MZN" <MikeZmn@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Novice's questions B Message-ID: <1165331145.325538.152140@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>   """Bob Koehler (): """ f > In article <1165315309.244601.234240@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>, "MZN" <MikeZmn@gmail.com> writes: > >  >  > > $!B > > $!    COMPAQ and the Compaq logo Registered in U.S. Patent and > > Trademark Office. G > > $!    All other product names mentioned herein may be trademarks of 	 > > their  > D >    Since the "patent" line is a valid comment, I suspect somethingE >    has happened to the RMS attributes of files to make it look like 5 >    there's a line break in the middle of that line. F How can I correct it on PC? I'm also suspect problem in license files,@ but saving them from e-mail message gives me 3 variants (in sizeF terms). I checked 2 of them - no luck. The variant with bigger size is remain.  > B >    Try /undefined_fat options to see if you can get around this. When (where) I should get this?    > B >    We might be able to help you with the options of you can tellC >    us what system you burned the CD on and what steps you took to  >    get the files there. E On CD burned OpenVMS 8.3. I simply burned image, what I have in Nero. C License files were burned by Nero with ISO9660 standard without any  extensions.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2006 07:37:48 -0800  From: "MZN" <MikeZmn@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Novice's questions B Message-ID: <1165333068.620697.326870@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   """JF Mezei ():  """  > at the >>> SET CONSOLE SERIAL  > I > Then you connect a serial cable to the back of the machine in the first M > seraial pprt (COM1) and then use a serial communications program on your PC L > such as Kermit or Hyperterm, set it to 9600 baud 8 bits no parity Xon-XoffJ > flow control and connect. Pressing return should get you the >>> prompt.  - What's cable? Is cable for external modem OK? ? > If you do not succeed, you can still use the graphic console.  >  > One thing you can try:L > When you login on the GUI login screen, press the "OPTIONS" button, and inE > the session type, you choose "failsafe" instead of "New desktop" or L > "DecWindows"  This *MAY* bypass the licencing issue. It gives you a single3 > DECTERM window from which you can issue commands.  Doesn't work > If this does not work: > % > at the >>> prompt prior to booting:  >  >  >>> SET BOOT_OSFLAGS 0,1  >  >>> BOOT  >  > this gives you into 
 > SYSBOOT> > SYSBOOT> SET WINDOW_SYSTEM 0 > SYSBOOT> CONTINUE  > E > This will prevent decwindows from starting. and you then get a very K > primitive character cell interface on the video screen.  (press return to > > get the login prompt after the system has finished booting).E Doesn't work. Until command SET BOOT_OSFLAGS 0,0 it boots in SYSBOOT> ! CONTINUE gives Motif window again    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:04:10 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> 6 Subject: Re: OT: Loreena McKennitt has a new album outJ Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-AF0605.10041005122006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  4 In article <el39n8$4eu$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>,#  "R.A.Omond" <Roy@Omond.net> wrote:    > healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:2 > > William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> wrote: > > I > >>On 1 Dec 2006 18:47:22 GMT, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:  > >> > >>>Silly Wizard  > > P > > I'm glad to hear the recommendation, I recently picked up "So Many Partings"P > > on vinyl as it looked like it might be this sort of music, and the cover wasI > > interesting.  Besides I've never gone wrong with anything released by O > > Shanachie.  I've not had time to clean it yet, so haven't played it.  Based H > > on this, I think I'll bump it to near the top of the clean pile :^)  > C > (Humble apologues for continuing this thread here;  it belongs in  > rec.music.celtic)  > F > You do know that Johnny Cunningham died some time ago?  I learned ofD > this upon reading his obituary in The (London) Times.  Played with> > them many times in "sessions" in Edinburgh in the mid-1970s. > A > Also, I think someone mentioned Ossian.  Again, very sad:  both @ > George Jackson and Tony Cuffe died a few years ago - they were > both younger than I. > = > Just to add my all-time favourite bands:  De Dannan and the 
 > Bothy Band.    To which I have to add Planxty.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2006 08:18:55 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) " Subject: Re: recursive copy in VMS3 Message-ID: <oUCtt33HAVIg@eisner.encompasserve.org>   N In article <8764cq3kbb.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, prep@prep.synonet.com writes:1 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  > I >> Due to the disk space growing at a faster rate than tape drives (in my H >> case anyways),  I have often employed the SET FILE/NOBACKUP for filesB >> that I know are copies of stuff than can be obtained elsewhere. > C >> For instance, when I backup a mac to my vax, all those files are C >> then marked /NOBACKUP so that they don't take up huge amounts of B >> space on a tape (and slow the backup process). Similarly, large> >> patches that can be downloadeed from the HP site get marked
 >> /NOBACKUP.  > E > You are aware that you will get those files restored but with a big C > load of zero as content? So they will LOOK ok, but be useless for 7 > anything except getting you to delete the other copy.  >  > This is NOT a good idea!  F    I think that's exactly what he wants.  He's satisfied that he won'tG    lose his Mac's disk and his VMS system's disk at the same time, just G    like I'm satisfied that I won't lose my VMS systems' disks and their !    tape backups at the same time.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:22:55 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.comP Subject: Seemingly different results with backup of file in and out of procedureQ Message-ID: <OF08BCF63F.CD2E3DEE-ON8525723B.00647925-8525723B.0064F9C6@metso.com>    I do not get what I see here. F Executing the backup command from the terminal adds a copy of the file
 (expected)I Then executing the same command as part of the procedure DELETES the copy  (???)    $ dir [copy.out]*.*;*    Directory JAM340:[COPY.OUT]   A LOGINMESS.TXT;12           1  12-AUG-1998 12:37:27.98  [CINCOM,CO  (RWED,RWED,,R)   Total of 1 file, 1 block. , $ backup/nolog JAM351:[NORM]LOGINMESS.TXT;12% jam340:[copy.out]*.*;*/own=parent/new  $ dir [copy.out]*.*;*    Directory JAM340:[COPY.OUT]   A LOGINMESS.TXT;13           1  12-AUG-1998 12:37:27.98  [CINCOM,CO  (RWED,RWED,,R)A LOGINMESS.TXT;12           1  12-AUG-1998 12:37:27.98  [CINCOM,CO  (RWED,RWED,,R)   Total of 2 files, 2 blocks. 
 $ @copy_to_in  $ say="WRITE SYS$OUTPUT"
 $ set noon $ defi/user sys$output nl: $ defi/user sys$error nl: 8 $ delete_/nolog/before="today-8-" jam340:[copy.out]*.*;* $ say - :  "Enter your filename (wildcarding is okay, file should be world-readable)." I Enter your filename (wildcarding is okay, file should be world-readable).  $ infile="" < $ read/prompt="File to copy: "/timeout=50 sys$command infile( File to copy: jam351:[norm]loginmess.txt5 $ infile=f$search(f$parse(infile,,,,"SYNTAX_ONLY"),1)  $ if infile .eqs. "" $ else $!$ defi/user sys$output nl: $!$ defi/user sys$error nl: , $ backup/nolog JAM351:[NORM]LOGINMESS.TXT;12/ jam340:[copy.out]*.*;*/owner=parent/new_version  $ sev=$severity  $ if sev .ne. 1  $ endif  $ endif  $ exit $ dir [copy.out]*.*;*    Directory JAM340:[COPY.OUT]   A LOGINMESS.TXT;12           1  12-AUG-1998 12:37:27.98  [CINCOM,CO  (RWED,RWED,,R)   Total of 1 file, 1 block.  $    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:42:33 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.comY Subject: Seemingly different results with backup of file in and out of procedure [SOLVED] Q Message-ID: <OFDB9CC52F.98A664E9-ON8525723B.0066A8CC-8525723B.0066C607@metso.com>   A Sorry, it's obvious.  The delete statement in the procedure needs  "/DATE=MODIFIED"  7 norm.raphael@metso.com wrote on 12/05/2006 01:22:55 PM:    >  > I do not get what I see here. H > Executing the backup command from the terminal adds a copy of the file > (expected)K > Then executing the same command as part of the procedure DELETES the copy  > (???)  >  > $ dir [copy.out]*.*;*  >  > Directory JAM340:[COPY.OUT]  > C > LOGINMESS.TXT;12           1  12-AUG-1998 12:37:27.98  [CINCOM,CO  > (RWED,RWED,,R) >  > Total of 1 file, 1 block. . > $ backup/nolog JAM351:[NORM]LOGINMESS.TXT;12' > jam340:[copy.out]*.*;*/own=parent/new  > $ dir [copy.out]*.*;*  >  > Directory JAM340:[COPY.OUT]  > C > LOGINMESS.TXT;13           1  12-AUG-1998 12:37:27.98  [CINCOM,CO  > (RWED,RWED,,R)C > LOGINMESS.TXT;12           1  12-AUG-1998 12:37:27.98  [CINCOM,CO  > (RWED,RWED,,R) >  > Total of 2 files, 2 blocks.  > $ @copy_to_in  > $ say="WRITE SYS$OUTPUT" > $ set noon > $ defi/user sys$output nl: > $ defi/user sys$error nl: : > $ delete_/nolog/before="today-8-" jam340:[copy.out]*.*;*	 > $ say - < >  "Enter your filename (wildcarding is okay, file should be > world-readable)." K > Enter your filename (wildcarding is okay, file should be world-readable). 
 > $ infile="" > > $ read/prompt="File to copy: "/timeout=50 sys$command infile* > File to copy: jam351:[norm]loginmess.txt7 > $ infile=f$search(f$parse(infile,,,,"SYNTAX_ONLY"),1)  > $ if infile .eqs. "" > $ else > $!$ defi/user sys$output nl: > $!$ defi/user sys$error nl: . > $ backup/nolog JAM351:[NORM]LOGINMESS.TXT;121 > jam340:[copy.out]*.*;*/owner=parent/new_version  > $ sev=$severity  > $ if sev .ne. 1 	 > $ endif 	 > $ endif  > $ exit > $ dir [copy.out]*.*;*  >  > Directory JAM340:[COPY.OUT]  > C > LOGINMESS.TXT;12           1  12-AUG-1998 12:37:27.98  [CINCOM,CO  > (RWED,RWED,,R) >  > Total of 1 file, 1 block.  > $  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 14:57:26 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com * Subject: Re: VAX 11/730 SABACKUP questions0 Message-ID: <871wne3k4p.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  0 Bob Blunt <RobertDOTblunt@digitalDOTcom> writes:  D > I also can't remember if the 9-track tapes had bootable standalone > on them from DEC.   D At least some did, I can remember swearing at it! Can't remember the version of why though...  E I think some kits shipped a 600' tape with SABACKUP on it, others had , it on another 2400' tape plus `other stuff'.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:26:15 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> " Subject: VMS  Alpha  Console (VGA)7 Message-ID: <925cd$45759daf$cef8887a$2583@TEKSAVVY.COM>   ! VMS 8.3, DS10L, Radeon 7500 card.   K When DECW$SERVER crashes, the display returns to the VMS provided console.  6 (the one with the white-on black title at the bottom).  H When this happen, the screen goes to a 720*400 resolution (or it may be  700*24) Definitely not 640*480.   C Also, the monitor needs to be recalibrated because the "window" is  H improperly positioned in the imagable area (aka: text is shiften to the & left and first column is not visible).   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 17:42:02 GMT # From: "FredK" <fred@nospam.dec.com> & Subject: Re: VMS  Alpha  Console (VGA)2 Message-ID: <Kbidh.3231$Uh4.1107@news.cpqcorp.net>  ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  1 news:925cd$45759daf$cef8887a$2583@TEKSAVVY.COM... # > VMS 8.3, DS10L, Radeon 7500 card.  > M > When DECW$SERVER crashes, the display returns to the VMS provided console.  8 > (the one with the white-on black title at the bottom). > J > When this happen, the screen goes to a 720*400 resolution (or it may be ! > 700*24) Definitely not 640*480.  > E > Also, the monitor needs to be recalibrated because the "window" is  J > improperly positioned in the imagable area (aka: text is shiften to the ( > left and first column is not visible).  K I don't know why you keep asserting that 680x480 is some magic number.  It  D isn't.  There are a number of text modes, and the one that the BIOS L generally uses on most cards is one that is 80 characters wide and 25 lines E high.  Each character is 9 pixels wide by 16 pixels high - making it   720x400.  K The code tries to reprogram the card back into it's original mode.  I have  M found that on the 7500 it isn't perfect in the save/restore - so in the next  $ graphics update I hardwire the mode.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.669 ************************