1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 07 Dec 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 673       Contents:! Re: Alpha sales extended 6 months ! Re: Alpha sales extended 6 months ! Re: Alpha sales extended 6 months ! Re: Alpha sales extended 6 months ! Re: Alpha sales extended 6 months ! Re: Alpha sales extended 6 months 1 Current Alpha SCSI controllers for shared storage 5 Re: Current Alpha SCSI controllers for shared storage 5 Re: Current Alpha SCSI controllers for shared storage 5 Re: Current Alpha SCSI controllers for shared storage  Re: DEC Educational Stuff  Re: DEC Educational Stuff  Re: DEC Educational Stuff  Re: DEC Educational Stuff  Re: DEC Educational Stuff 4 Re: Is the DCL SEARCH utility callable from FORTRAN? Re: Mozilla  Re: Mozilla  Re: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions RE: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2006 03:55:56 -0800  From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk* Subject: Re: Alpha sales extended 6 monthsB Message-ID: <1165492556.165189.278900@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>  5 I'm not sure this is particularly interesting per se.   G Digital/compaq ran out of VAX kit a lot earlier than they anticipated - G someone didn't order enough CPUs from the final run so orders had to be E curtailed earlier than anticipated on some of the lines (the VAX 7000  was one of the victims here).   G Someone learned the lesson and they have inventory left over for Alpha.    Steve    DaveG wrote:; > http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=06/12/04/4813299  >  > Interesting. > 	 > Dave...    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 09:13:35 -0500> From: "Island Computers, D B Turner" <dturner-at-islandco.com>* Subject: Re: Alpha sales extended 6 months0 Message-ID: <12ng8clo17osd45@news.supernews.com>  ? Probably because I had to change to dturner_at_islandco-dot-com    David    --   Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 x201# Mail: dturner-atnospam-islandco-com % (You know what to do with the dashes) B "Gareth V. Williams" <graff@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu> wrote in message( news:457747cc@cfanews.cfa.harvard.edu...G > David Turner, Island Computers US Corp <dbturner@islandco.com> wrote: 3 > : I guess that's good news for some of you !  :0( < > : We intend to go a lot longer in Alpha sales than that...
 > : FYI... > H >   Not directly related to this topic, but is your mail system working?J > Mail to your islandco.com address has been bouncing with "User unknown". >  >     Gareth >  >  > --  J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------J > Gareth V. Williams, MS 18, 60 Garden Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, U.S.A.- > Associate Director, IAU Minor Planet Center J > gwilliams@cfa.harvard.edu        http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/mpc.html9 > OpenVMS & RISC OS: refined choices in operating systems    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 09:30:28 -0500) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> * Subject: Re: Alpha sales extended 6 months; Message-ID: <45782476$0$1612$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   ' <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message  < news:1165432863.089773.157530@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com... >  > Bill Todd wrote: >> Neil Rieck wrote: >> [...snip...] > D > migrations are a real pain?  we have been thru two of them without	 > nothing F > more than a recompile for dibol ... rms is rms ... on vms migrations > with9 > with properly written software a re a piece of cake ...  >   > I couldn't agree more but I think you've missed my main point:  L In today's corporate culture people wanting to bring in their own favourite K technology will take the opportunity to blow everything out of proportion.  E These people tend to have the ear of upper management and one of the  ) negative phrases they use is "code port".   M (if we're going to go through all the trouble of a "code port" then we might  M as well take this opportunity to consolidate all those "legacy" OpenVMS apps  K onto one of our currently "supported" platforms - Like Windows 2003 Server   Edition)       ###   K Your comment on properly written software reminds me a come "C" code I saw  J for the first time during a port from VAX to Alpha. I knew the now-absent G author and suspect that he was a little too smart for his own good. In  M trying to make is "C" applications run a little faster on a uVAX-3500 in the  J early 1990s this guy had exposed VAX instructions to the "C" language and = was calling them directly as if they were external functions. < http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/alpha_diary.html#week6M This stuff needed to be fixed before we could convert to Alpha and thank God  % it was properly remarked source code.   C Although it was relatively easy for one person (me) to implement a  J spare-time conversion from VAX to Alpha in under 6 weeks, (which involved G rewriting some poorly written code produced by a junior programmer who  F should have had more supervision), I suspect that going from Alpha to G Itanium would be much easier. However, I would still have to deal with   corporate politics.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:49:06 -0800 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>* Subject: Re: Alpha sales extended 6 months) Message-ID: <op.tj67n4xatte90l@hyrrokkin>   . On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:07:31 -0800, JF Mezei  % <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    > Bill Todd wrote:? >> Tukwila supposedly will incorporate the CSI (common system   J >> interconnect?) EV7-like architecture that Xeon should get sometime in  I >> 2008.  I suspect that the only reason Intel will ship Tukwila at all   G >> will be because of commitments to OEMs (if they still care by that   E >> time) - and the Itanic that had been scheduled to follow Tukwila   4 >> ('Poulson') is now reportedly on indefinite hold. >  > H > Still on target for the 2004 predictions that IA64 will be announced  I > "mature" by the time the 8086 gets the high performance CSI, at which   / > point, IA64 won't have much of any edge left.  > I > And between now and then, the 8086 will get many speed boosts, whilst   J > IA64 remains more of less stable. By the time Tukwila comes to market,  K > it may be a big yawn because IA64 will have already been declared mature.  > L > Intel quickened the pace of development of the 8086. It has, thorugh the  F > consisent delays, slowed development of IA64. The press isn't even  L > asking questions about this, a sign that they have already declared IA64    > irrelevant and without future.  B It is the competitive rivalry between AMD and INTC that drives the5 innovation.  Itanium doesn't have a taregt to aim at.      --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 01:00:47 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com * Subject: Re: Alpha sales extended 6 months0 Message-ID: <87veknwshs.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>   etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk writes:  7 > I'm not sure this is particularly interesting per se.  > I > Digital/compaq ran out of VAX kit a lot earlier than they anticipated - I > someone didn't order enough CPUs from the final run so orders had to be G > curtailed earlier than anticipated on some of the lines (the VAX 7000  > was one of the victims here).   F Plus the 7000 was in sudden demand after the pentagram got a makeover.  I > Someone learned the lesson and they have inventory left over for Alpha.   * When does the COE support have to run to?    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 18:20:05 GMT % From: Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com> * Subject: Re: Alpha sales extended 6 months1 Message-ID: <pXYdh.3347$sn5.681@news.cpqcorp.net>   ) Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:  > Tom Linden wrote:  > ...  >> The article is mostly BS. >>> O >>> http://news.com.com/HP+promises+Unix+improvements/2100-1016_3-6140107.html    E I won't comment on the goodness/accuracy of the article, and I'm sure E the compiler guys are always doing good things wrt performance of the C code they generate, but I will say that I have lunch regularly with C the UX performance guys and know that there is a heck of a lot more 1 going into 11iv3 than just compiler improvements.   F > That's my impression as well.  For one thing, if the new compiler isE > actually going to ship this year (as the article suggests), then HP A > could have submitted benchmark results using it months ago (and D > presumably would have if it offered anything like that performanceD > increase) - e.g., TPC allows use of software that won't ship for 3 > (or 6?) months.   ' SPEC allows three months, TPC allows 6.   = HP has started releasing benchmark results with the 11iv3 OS:   C http://www.tpc.org/tpch/results/tpch_result_detail.asp?id=106120401 7 http://www.sap.com/solutions/benchmark/pdf/cert8306.pdf   
 rick jones@ never underestimate the scrambling ability of the telephone game --  E The computing industry isn't as much a game of "Follow The Leader" as B it is one of "Ring Around the Rosy" or perhaps "Duck Duck Goose." @                                                     - Rick JonesF these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)D feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH...   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2006 09:39:46 -0800 ( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>: Subject: Current Alpha SCSI controllers for shared storageC Message-ID: <1165513186.730524.138070@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   F Are there any controllers more current (read faster) than the KZPBA-CB+ that are supported in DS10 systems for VMS?   G I've got a customer who currently has a fully redundant AS1000 two node F cluster using KZPSA controllers and memory channel; everything doubledA up using shadowning, and its worked very well but it is dated and F getting expensive to maintain.  He's looking to update performance andB is not looking at providing the same level of hardware redundancy.  C The cheapest reasonable option is dual DS10L systems using a shared D storage bus.  We'd prefer to stay SCSI if possible (fiber prices areF still up there).  We'll use one of the on board ethernet ports on eachC box as a dedicated cluster interconnect, the other for general use. C The systems will be running V8.2 or V8.3, not yet decided, and we'd 8 prefer to use the HP universal drive shelves or towers (  E Do any of the LVD controllers support a shared SCSI bus?  The options A detail pages give hints but don't actually state it.  I'm digging E through HP's site now but figure someone out there must already know.  Thanks for any info.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2006 10:01:59 -0800 ! From: "Ian Miller" <gxys@uk2.net> > Subject: Re: Current Alpha SCSI controllers for shared storageB Message-ID: <1165514519.562887.79510@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  A What about the MSA30MI or the following Golden Egg may be helpful   4 http://goldeneggs.spyderbyte.com/geggs/GTAVDS15a.pdf   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2006 10:16:18 -0800 ( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>> Subject: Re: Current Alpha SCSI controllers for shared storageC Message-ID: <1165515378.403461.238190@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>    Ian Miller wrote: C > What about the MSA30MI or the following Golden Egg may be helpful  > 6 > http://goldeneggs.spyderbyte.com/geggs/GTAVDS15a.pdf   Ian,D      thanks for that.  The problem is that with a DS10L and only oneF slot, there's nowhere to plug in a tape drive for backup in a two-nodeF environment (unless tape drives got supported on shared busses; last IB heard they were not).  Plus the high performing LVD drives will beE throttled back to the KZPBA fast-20-wide performance; almost might as ; well stick with the old SBB shelves with those limitations.   F      A DS10 based option would be better since we could put in  KZPCAs+ or single ended KZPBAs for the tape drives.   ?       Its a great find for proof of concept though, and a help.  Thanks!    Rich   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2006 10:08:38 -0800 ( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>> Subject: Re: Current Alpha SCSI controllers for shared storageC Message-ID: <1165514918.103571.246490@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Rich Jordan wrote:H > Are there any controllers more current (read faster) than the KZPBA-CB- > that are supported in DS10 systems for VMS?  > I > I've got a customer who currently has a fully redundant AS1000 two node H > cluster using KZPSA controllers and memory channel; everything doubledC > up using shadowning, and its worked very well but it is dated and H > getting expensive to maintain.  He's looking to update performance andD > is not looking at providing the same level of hardware redundancy. > E > The cheapest reasonable option is dual DS10L systems using a shared F > storage bus.  We'd prefer to stay SCSI if possible (fiber prices areH > still up there).  We'll use one of the on board ethernet ports on eachE > box as a dedicated cluster interconnect, the other for general use. E > The systems will be running V8.2 or V8.3, not yet decided, and we'd : > prefer to use the HP universal drive shelves or towers ( > G > Do any of the LVD controllers support a shared SCSI bus?  The options C > detail pages give hints but don't actually state it.  I'm digging G > through HP's site now but figure someone out there must already know.  > Thanks for any info.  F Never mind, found it in the cluster manual.  Nothing past the KZPBA-CB
 is supported.   G Too bad, because once again the single slot limit on the DS10L combined E with the lack of support for more current cards just made this system ' replacement quite a bit more expensive.    Rich   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2006 07:52:29 -0800  From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net" Subject: Re: DEC Educational StuffB Message-ID: <1165506749.547726.19540@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>  F Really not interested in this stuff but if you have a condist that has0 RPG for the VAX I would love to buy it from you. thanks phillip  Bill Gunshannon wrote:0 > I have the following available to a good home: > ? > OSF/MOTIF for the Non-Technical Professional (with Videotape) ; > Using teh VAX Language-Sensititve Editor (with TK50 tape) / > Introduction to EVE (with small 9 Track tape) 0 > VMS Utilities and Commandes I (with TK50 tape)8 > Introduction to VMS Systems Operation (with TK50 Tape) > F > All of these come in the original DEC box and some of them even have' > stuff inside still in the shrinkwrap.  > 3 > Anybody interested in saving thses from the skip?  >  > billG > (Keep watch, more to come, including some older CONDIST sets.  Spring ) > cleaning is starting early this year!!)  >  > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2006 16:58:38 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)" Subject: Re: DEC Educational Stuff0 Message-ID: <4tqvhuF1595ldU1@mid.individual.net>  B In article <1165506749.547726.19540@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,! 	tomarsin2015@comcast.net writes: H > Really not interested in this stuff but if you have a condist that has2 > RPG for the VAX I would love to buy it from you.  H I assume if RPG was available it's on all of them.  I will try to post aH list of what I have to get rid of soon.  I will likely be asking no moreE than $5 to cover the cost of packing and mailing them (within the US, G outside the US could be more problematic.)  I think I even have a Tru64 G set with some kind of documentation as well, but no one here would want  that, right. :-)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:53:08 -0800 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>" Subject: Re: DEC Educational Stuff) Message-ID: <op.tj67uumftte90l@hyrrokkin>   I On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:02:07 -0800, Rich Jordan <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wro=  te:    > ! > tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote: I >> Really not interested in this stuff but if you have a condist that ha=  s 3 >> RPG for the VAX I would love to buy it from you. 	 >> thanks 
 >> phillip > $ > Which CONDISTs would have had RPG?  6 I once wrote an RPG compiler,  what an awful language.   > =3D=3D=3D  > I > Bill, afraid not.  My shelves overfloweth and no more room may be had.=    >  >  > Rich > CCS  >        -- =  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2006 17:57:13 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)" Subject: Re: DEC Educational Stuff0 Message-ID: <4tr2vpF159k31U1@mid.individual.net>  B In article <1165506749.547726.19540@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,! 	tomarsin2015@comcast.net writes: H > Really not interested in this stuff but if you have a condist that has2 > RPG for the VAX I would love to buy it from you.  F OK, I looked at a Master Index.  I guess there really is no such thing as VAX RPG from DEC.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2006 10:10:35 -0800 ! From: "Ian Miller" <gxys@uk2.net> " Subject: Re: DEC Educational StuffC Message-ID: <1165515035.906914.111340@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    for information VAX RPG see   0 http://www.migrationspecialties.com/VAX-RPG.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 09:12:33 -0600 ! From: VMSguy <vmsguy@comcast.net> = Subject: Re: Is the DCL SEARCH utility callable from FORTRAN? * Message-ID: <45782F61.9080500@comcast.net>    > VMSguy wrote:D  > > Looking for a callable routine to invoke SEARCH from a FORTRAN  application.    > Michael Austin. wrote:   > lib$spawn  > sear/out=x.x   > open x.x   > read through it...   I I guess LIB$SPAWN is callable and it obviously would work under specific   circumstances.G However I want a callable RTL or SYSTEM_SERVICE routine to and I would  ) like to call it LIB$SEARCH or SYS$SEARCH. I Issues of priveleges and additional overhead with process creation comes   to mind with spawn. B Another option is to ...  as I was thinking and as one respondent & spelled out (thank you - name unknown)   open ( unit=, file=, iostat= ) do while ( iostat )     read ( unit=, iostat= ) record   if ( iostat ) then,     str$match_wild ( record, search-string )     if ( iostat ) then       print *, record 
     end if   end if end do close ( unit= )   H Excuse the missing variables, subroutines, syntax, and format - but you 
 get the idea. E Obviously I would have to code for needed qualifiers like /MATCH= to   meet my needs.9 And it would be limited to what I code but it would work.   I Then the next question I have - would SEARCH be faster than my OPEN/READ   code? H I suspect it would be faster then the suggested {lib$spawn, search ...,   open, read, ... } snippet above.    Thanks for the response Michael.* Thanks Hoff for the additional information   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2006 01:12:41 -0800   From: "Dona" <erminido@yahoo.it> Subject: Re: MozillaB Message-ID: <1165482761.270338.205600@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>  D Thanks (sorry my poor english) to everyone for the help......and I'm* sorry you wasted your time aswering me....D I solved the problem downloading the file once again.....and now, it seems to work.... 7 Sorry again....but I still need to do some practise....    Dona.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2006 04:30:59 -0800  From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: MozillaC Message-ID: <1165494659.576701.152410@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   F It's better to ask when you run out of other options than to sit there and not get VMS up and running!  Welcome to VMS too Dona. Steve    Dona wrote: F > Thanks (sorry my poor english) to everyone for the help......and I'm, > sorry you wasted your time aswering me....F > I solved the problem downloading the file once again.....and now, it > seems to work.... 9 > Sorry again....but I still need to do some practise....  >  > Dona.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:24:57 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: Novice's questions ; Message-ID: <4577b3b9.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>    MZN <MikeZmn@gmail.com> wrote:I > In order to set graphics display I should get >>>SET CONSOLE GRAPHICS ?   3 Yep. Followed by an >>>INIT to complete the switch.   C > What happend with graphics display when I enter to serial console   > (after >>>SET CONSOLE SERIAL)?  ? If your system isn't set to auto-boot (governed by SRM variable @ AUTO_ACTION), the graphics display will just sit there, but willC react to a <RETURN> input, providing an SRM prompt (">>>") as well.   : All the startup OPCOM messages will go to the serial line.  9 When DECwindows starts, it will use the graphics console.    cu,    Martin --  @   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2006 23:05:26 -0800  From: "MZN" <MikeZmn@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Novice's questions B Message-ID: <1165473244.197347.222610@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>   """Jan-Erik Soderholm ():  """ B > And, since it's only (?) the comment lines (that are in a singleB > block at the start of the line) it's simple enought just to editA > them away before running the command file. The LICENSE commands  > it selfs are just fine, not ?    I deleted comments - no luck.  >  > Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:38:20 +11006 From: "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au> Subject: RE: Novice's questions X Message-ID: <0A7046B0A95F2B41B3712F0C5FD1CDC303BC06@ex-tg2-pr.corporate.transgrid.local>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C719D2.AAE8F889 . Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   L Take up Jan-Erik's suggestion and delete all comments and then run with set=L  verify on.  Preferably run it in batch and put the log file here.  This is=0  probably the only way people here can help you.   Regards, Paddy  % P.S. Why all the "??" after his name?      -----Original Message-----$ From: MZN [mailto:MikeZmn@gmail.com] Sent: Thu 12/7/2006 6:05 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: Re: Novice's questions  =20    """Jan-Erik Soderholm ?????(?):  """ B > And, since it's only (?) the comment lines (that are in a singleB > block at the start of the line) it's simple enought just to editA > them away before running the command file. The LICENSE commands  > it selfs are just fine, not ?    I deleted comments - no luck.  >=20 > Jan-Erik.           G *********************************************************************** ; Please consider the environment before printing this email.   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged @ and confidential information intended only for the use of the=20D addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of=20C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise D the sender.  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Why all the &quot;??&quot; after his name?<BR>  <BR> <BR> -----Original Message-----<BR>L From: MZN [<A HREF=3D"mailto:MikeZmn@gmail.com">mailto:MikeZmn@gmail.com</A= >]<BR> Sent: Thu 12/7/2006 6:05 PM<BR>  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com<BR> # Subject: Re: Novice's questions<BR>  <BR> <BR>2 &quot;&quot;&quot;Jan-Erik Soderholm ?????(?):<BR> &quot;&quot;&quot;<BR>I &gt; And, since it's only (?) the comment lines (that are in a single<BR> I &gt; block at the start of the line) it's simple enought just to edit<BR> H &gt; them away before running the command file. The LICENSE commands<BR>& &gt; it selfs are just fine, not ?<BR> <BR>! I deleted comments - no luck.<BR>  &gt;<BR> &gt; Jan-Erik.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </FONT>  </P>   <FONT SIZE=3D3><BR>  <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR> ? Please consider the environment before printing this email.<BR>  <BR>G "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged<BR> B and confidential information intended only for the use of the <BR>F addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of <BR>G this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise<BR> F the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, <BR>; distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.<BR>  <BR>E If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid <BR> E immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the <BR> A individual sender except where the sender expressly and with <BR> G authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses<BR> B virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses<BR>  contained in any attachment.<BR> <BR>@ Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now<BR>( firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"<BR> <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>  </FONT>  </BODY>  </HTML> ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C719D2.AAE8F889--    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 10:32:54 GMT + From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?=  Subject: Re: Novice's questions 3 Message-ID: <q5Sdh.25656$E02.10510@newsb.telia.net>    MZN wrote :  > """Jan-Erik Soderholm :  > """ C >> And, since it's only (?) the comment lines (that are in a single C >> block at the start of the line) it's simple enought just to edit B >> them away before running the command file. The LICENSE commands  >> it selfs are just fine, not ? >  > I deleted comments - no luck.   # And what *EXACTLY* is "no luck" ???   # What does the file look like now ??  What happend ? What did *not* happend ? What did you do ?  (What did you *not* do? :-) )    Regards,	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2006 03:48:20 -0800  From: "MZN" <MikeZmn@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Novice's questions B Message-ID: <1165492100.874205.204460@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>  6 """Bob Koehler =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB(=D0=B0): """ L > In article <1165331145.325538.152140@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>, "MZN" = <MikeZmn@gmail.com> writes:  > > : > > """Bob Koehler =C3=90=C3=89=C3=93=C3=81=C3=8C(=C3=81): > > """ E > >>    Try /undefined_fat options to see if you can get around this. # > > When (where) I should get this?  >   >    $ help mount /undefined_fat   If you used Nero then you J >    probably need to use the /undefined_fat options to set the RMS recordL >    format to stream-cr.  I think this would be /undefined_fat=3Dstream_cr=  =2E   Success! The commandF $ MOUNT /MEDIA_FORMAT=3DCDROM /UNDEFINED_FAT=3D(STREAM:80) DQA0 PAKS P works! 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