1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 08 Dec 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 675       Contents:! Re: Alpha sales extended 6 months  Re: DEC Educational Stuff ! Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium 4 Re: Is the DCL SEARCH utility callable from FORTRAN?4 Re: Is the DCL SEARCH utility callable from FORTRAN? Re: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions RE: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions Re: Novice's questions) Re: OT: Outsourcing to offshore locations ) Re: OT: Outsourcing to offshore locations  Re: recursive copy in VMS  Re: recursive copy in VMS  Re: SSH Attacks  Re: SSH Attacks  Re: SSH Attacks  Re: SSH Attacks  Re: SSH Attacks  Re: SSH Attacks  Re: SSH Attacks " Re: Standalone vs a regular backup" Re: Standalone vs a regular backup" Re: Standalone vs a regular backup Re: Who called me?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2006 11:07:58 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: Re: Alpha sales extended 6 months3 Message-ID: <+eK02PYzp0zp@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <cKEdh.1768$493.1212@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>, ChrisQuayle <nospam@devnul.co.uk> writes: > H > What you're saying is that Alpha was much faster than the competition J > from the start, while itanium has always struggled to keep up, right ?. $ > Just in case anyone misunderstood.  J    What I'm saying is that as VMS users Alpha blew away our fastest VAXen.H    IA64 hasn't yet blown away our Alphas, although its creeping up past      where Alpha was left hanging.  B    I also saw that my Alpha would outrun my HP-UX system, but theyC    weren't sized to be comperable systems.  The Alpha was the first H    generation slowest production Alpha ever shipped and the HP-UX system    was two years old.   G    But then I'd already seen the my four year old "13 MIP" MIPS system  F    blow away the "20 MIP" HP-UX system by having a better C optimizer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 06:05:45 -0800 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>" Subject: Re: DEC Educational Stuff) Message-ID: <op.tj8urvvztte90l@hyrrokkin>   0 On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 20:31:51 -0800, Paul Sture  % <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote:   + > In article <op.tj67uumftte90l@hyrrokkin>, . >  "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> wrote: > I >> On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:02:07 -0800, Rich Jordan <jordan@ccs4vms.com>   	 >> wrote:  >> >> >$ >> > tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote:J >> >> Really not interested in this stuff but if you have a condist that   >> has6 >> >> RPG for the VAX I would love to buy it from you. >> >> thanks
 >> >> phillip  >> >' >> > Which CONDISTs would have had RPG?  >>9 >> I once wrote an RPG compiler,  what an awful language.  >> > G > I can guarantee that after using RPG, COBOL is like a breath of fresh  > air.0 And after using PL/I you never go back to Cobol. >        --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 13:43:57 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>* Subject: Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium( Message-ID: <elcbpf$1ua$1@pyrite.mv.net>   Chip Coldwell wrote:. > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> writes: > . >> Is this going to be implemented on Itanium? >>5 >> Looks like IBM has the lead on everyone (as usual) ) >> z/Architecture DECIMAL FLOATING-POINT	 9 >> http://publibfi.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/a2322320.pdf  >>' >> http://www2.hursley.ibm.com/decimal/  > E > They've had that edge for decades, for all the good it's done them.     H    Something in particular here that might make these operations useful H for a particular task?  I'm guessing you're contemplating some specific 8 application here, and probably something involving PL/I.  8    How much precision and how much accuracy do you need?  :    How many of these operations do you need per unit time?  G    Older VAX certainly had packed decimal arithmetic.  At the time, it  E was slower, and the saving in memory space didn't trade off all that  D well against the CPU costs and CPU complexity.  It was dropped from F Alpha, much to the great annoyance of some of the early Alpha porting > efforts involving COBOL application using packed decimal data.  E    Itanium provides native 64-bit mantissa (circa 20 decimal digits)  D floating point, and there are various extended-precision approaches F around.  The GNU MP (GMP; libgmp) Bignum library, there's the str$mul C and friends, quadword integer math, and various extended-precision  F calls.  For addition and subtraction, lib$addx and lib$subx have been  around forever.   G    One of the tasks that Itanium and EPIC/IA-64 is particularly suited  D for involves running known and fixed sequences of instructions very @ quickly, and there are algorithms around for extended-precision H operations that have been discussed and documented by Intel and various F of the HPTC crowd.  Whether sequenced via a compiler, or using direct H and manually-scheduled IAS assembler sequences, depending on your level ( of interest in the raw speeds and feeds.  C    As for some potential library options (beyond the lib$ and str$   subroutines mentioned above):       http://swox.com/gmp/ -    http://swox.com/gmp/manual/References.html   #    There's also the BSD MP library.   C    Or the addition of an external vector or floating point unit...  " Tossing hardware at the problem...   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 07:44:56 -0600 ! From: VMSguy <vmsguy@comcast.net> = Subject: Re: Is the DCL SEARCH utility callable from FORTRAN? * Message-ID: <45796C58.9040101@comcast.net>    > VMSguy wrote:  E > > > Looking for a callable routine to invoke SEARCH from a FORTRAN   > application. >  > > Michael Austin. wrote:
 > > lib$spawn  > > sear/out=x.x > > open x.x > > read through it... > B > I guess LIB$SPAWN is callable and it obviously would work under  > specific circumstances. I > However I want a callable RTL or SYSTEM_SERVICE routine to and I would  + > like to call it LIB$SEARCH or SYS$SEARCH. E > Issues of priveleges and additional overhead with process creation   > comes to mind with spawn. D > Another option is to ...  as I was thinking and as one respondent ( > spelled out (thank you - name unknown) >   > open ( unit=, file=, iostat= ) > do while ( iostat ) ! >  read ( unit=, iostat= ) record  >  if ( iostat ) then - >    str$match_wild ( record, search-string )  >    if ( iostat ) then  >      print *, record >    end if 	 >  end if  > end do > close ( unit= )  > F > Excuse the missing variables, subroutines, syntax, and format - but  > you get the idea. G > Obviously I would have to code for needed qualifiers like /MATCH= to   > meet my needs.; > And it would be limited to what I code but it would work.  > A > Then the next question I have - would SEARCH be faster than my   > OPEN/READ code? E > I suspect it would be faster then the suggested {lib$spawn, search  ' > ..., open, read, ... } snippet above.  > " > Thanks for the response Michael., > Thanks Hoff for the additional information >    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2006 10:18:44 -0600 ? From: burley.not-this@encompasserve-or-this.org (Graham Burley) = Subject: Re: Is the DCL SEARCH utility callable from FORTRAN? 3 Message-ID: <fh+DZzd2xNHp@eisner.encompasserve.org>   N In article <45782F61.9080500@comcast.net>, VMSguy <vmsguy@comcast.net> writes:  K > Then the next question I have - would SEARCH be faster than my OPEN/READ   > code?   A Yes. You might be faster if you use more restrictive file sharing D than SEARCH does, but that's only likely to be beneficial on indexedB files since SEARCH doesn't generate any record locking activity on sequential files anyway.  J > I suspect it would be faster then the suggested {lib$spawn, search ..., " > open, read, ... } snippet above.  C That might depend on the size of the files you're searching and the 6 RMS options that you use to open and access the files.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:02:09 -0000* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Novice's questions , Message-ID: <elbd71$kgj$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  1 news:1700f$4579313c$cef8887a$8881@TEKSAVVY.COM... E >> If I change some hardware (memory), do I need to do something with  >> OpenVMS?  >  > Y > NEED ? Not 100% absolute requirement. You will boot and VMS will automatically see and  X > use the new amount of memory available. However, there are may system parameters that 8 > may not be best tuned to take advantage of new memory.  ; On a Vax, it would likely ignore the new memory until tuned = (depending on exactly which version of VMs you have), so it's  pretty much essential there.     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 05:07:03 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Novice's questions 8 Message-ID: <de5af$45793953$cef8887a$24270@TEKSAVVY.COM>   Richard Brodie wrote: = > On a Vax, it would likely ignore the new memory until tuned ? > (depending on exactly which version of VMs you have), so it's  > pretty much essential there.    C Ever since I remember, the VMS system has seen and made use of any  2 additional memory, as per the SHOW MEMORY command.  D It may not have made good use of it by enlarging some of the system D buffers/areas, but it still allowed processes to use the new memory.  L (Unless the memory size was hardcoded in the PHYSICALPAGES SYSGEN parameter & (used to test smaller memory configs).   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2006 02:54:26 -0800  From: "MZN" <MikeZmn@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Novice's questions A Message-ID: <1165575266.822558.30140@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>   D Thanks. Can you advise me a good reading (books, etc) about OpenVMS? Inj electronic form preferable?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:05:46 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>  Subject: RE: Novice's questions T Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401E83677@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----) > From: MZN [mailto:MikeZmn@gmail.com]=20   > Sent: December 8, 2006 5:54 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ! > Subject: Re: Novice's questions  >=20F > Thanks. Can you advise me a good reading (books, etc) about OpenVMS?! > Inj electronic form preferable?  >=20 >=20   OpenVMS reading info:   5 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/os83_index.html - doc`s   F http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/whitepapers/index.html - whitepapers  : http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/security.html - security  9 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/portability/ - UNIX portability    General:  F http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/resources.html - Integrity resources and doc`s   & http://h71000.www7.hp.com/ - home site  4 http://www.openvms.org/ - good OpenVMS resource site   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2006 08:17:18 -0800  From: "MZN" <MikeZmn@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Novice's questions A Message-ID: <1165594638.195042.97510@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>    """Richard B. Gilbert ():  """ / > There is a VMS Bibliography on my web page at ) > http://www.home.comcast.net/~rgilbert88    Site isn't available :(    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2006 10:53:33 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Novice's questions 3 Message-ID: <b2Tbg63rI9Rv@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <x4Edh.25584$E02.10627@newsb.telia.net>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes:  > Now, about the split lines...  > ? > The lines (which seems to only be the (longer) comment-lines) ? > was probably split in the mail transfer. And as such they are ; > now two independable lines in the file. *NO* file attribs : > on VMS can do anything about that. You can probably just > forget all post about that...  >   >    From experience with a CD I burned on a Mac, the breaks mayC    actually be on 512 byte boundaries of what VMS thinks is a fixed F    length record.  No data inside the file actually reflects that, butF    VMS is using the metadata which says "this is in 512 byte records".  I    Copying the files and changing the RMS attributes did fix the problem  .    for me.  I discovered /undefined_fat later.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2006 10:56:12 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Novice's questions 3 Message-ID: <aLLV+5KHgB0W@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <1165492100.874205.204460@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>, "MZN" <MikeZmn@gmail.com> writes:   > Success! The commandH > $ MOUNT /MEDIA_FORMAT=3DCDROM /UNDEFINED_FAT=3D(STREAM:80) DQA0 PAKS P > works! Thank you Bob!  > (STREAM_CR:80 doesn't work). >   ?    Hmm.  Now that I think about it STREAM (which says lines are F    separated by CRLF pairs) is compatable with Windows, not STREAM_CR.  0    Have fun with your (now working?) VMS system.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2006 11:00:02 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Novice's questions 3 Message-ID: <j6nwos0mbl4a@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Y In article <elbg7l$lel$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes:  > ? > That's the point. On recent versions (6.0 and above), AUTOGEN " > hardcodes PHYSICALPAGES for you.  A    I've never seen any version of AUTOGEN do that to me, from its     first ship through VMS 8.3.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 17:24:37 -0000* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Novice's questions , Message-ID: <elc74m$srh$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  I "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message  - news:j6nwos0mbl4a@eisner.encompasserve.org...   B >   I've never seen any version of AUTOGEN do that to me, from its >   first ship through VMS 8.3.   B There's something you have in common with JF, then ;)  Since a lotB of folk either froze at VMS 5.5-2 or went to Alpha, I imagine many haven't seen it.  D Google found the last time we had this discussion plastered all over6 the net (deja news). However, ITRC comes to my rescue:  K http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=586831 ! (bottom response in particular).     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 13:47:50 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Novice's questions 8 Message-ID: <a8912$4579b363$cef8887a$24896@TEKSAVVY.COM>  
 MZN wrote:F > Thanks. Can you advise me a good reading (books, etc) about OpenVMS?! > Inj electronic form preferable?  >    http://www.hp.com/go/vms/doc  G Choose the openvms documentation, and you probably want to look at the   system manager's manuals.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 08:25:12 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> 2 Subject: Re: OT: Outsourcing to offshore locations: Message-ID: <_t2dnTiRMrIo-uTYnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@comcast.com>   JF Mezei wrote:    > Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  > & >> Avoid buying any Netgear products! / >> http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~plonka/netgear-sntp/ 7 >> http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/n101176.asp  >  >  >  > OUCH ! > I > I've had 2 netgerar products for years (a Netgear branded Zyxel router  B > and a netgear hub and had in the past been impressed with their = > technical support. And I like the colour of their boxes :-)  > K > But today's experience has been dismal. And your story sure puts Netgear  / > down to the low end such as dlink or linksys.  >  > D > Ahhh, the days when you could confidently order from Digital even . > network products and knew you'd get quality.  C The last time I looked the Digital Networking people were still in  0 business though under a slightly different name.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2006 06:05:11 -0800 ! From: "Ian Miller" <gxys@uk2.net> 2 Subject: Re: OT: Outsourcing to offshore locationsB Message-ID: <1165586711.793516.15350@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   http://www.dnpg.com/   I don't think they do routers    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2006 11:13:06 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) " Subject: Re: recursive copy in VMS3 Message-ID: <oVNo+YfoC9Ag@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <1165431442.259664.229210@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  >  > E > I actually saw something very similar to (2.) happen way back in my I > graduate student days. A user whose name starts with Z lost some files, C > including a large FORTRAN file because the system manager "moved" I > everyone's files from one disk to another and it turned out the last so G > many files didn't make it due to lack of space or some other reason I H > can't recall. Of course the user, even after having been urged to backH > up his own personal files (as all of us were), failed to do so and the9 > large FORTRAN program had to be rewritten from scratch.   A    So no one did backups?  Around here people lose jobs for that.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2006 11:13:52 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) " Subject: Re: recursive copy in VMS3 Message-ID: <IS7wGIDYmnL6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <39egn2tkeerp495rhkaq13kmfjto5hj3tb@4ax.com>, jls <jeffls-nospam@sbcglobal.net> writes: > E > Maybe you misunderstand my #2.  #2 says that the file on the Mac is C > deleted - by accident, on purpose (records retention), or it gets * > corrupted (and possibly goes unnoticed).  7    But that's why you made a backup in the first place.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 05:41:14 -0700 & From: Jim Mehlhop <mjim1025@qwest.net> Subject: Re: SSH Attacks( Message-ID: <45795D6A.6070407@qwest.net>   Peter Weaver wrote: D >> Occasionally I see intrusion attempts via ssh.  Knowing the IP ofC >> offender is there a way to prevent him from trying to log in?  A  >> teergrube would be great! >  > @ > What I do is modify sys$system:tcpip$ssh_run.com so it does a F > PURGE/KEEP=1000 instead of the purge it does based on the number of I > nodes in the cluster. Then I modified TCPIP$SSH_HOME:LOGIN.COM to mail   > me a message;  > 0 > $ sysrem_node := "''f$trnlnm("SYS$REM_NODE")'"! > $ mail nl: myusername/subject=- 2 >  "Someone logging into SSH! from ''sysrem_node'" > F > If the attack is happening while I am watching then I just let them G > carry on but I watch the .LOG files to me sure they are trying root,  G > admin, webmaster... If I am too busy to be amused then I use UCX SET  = > COMMUNICATION /REJECT=HOST=ip. Once they give up then I do;  >  > $ whois /out=xx.xx 'p1' / > $ search *.log;* /win=(0,1)/stat/out=x.x 'p1'  > $ search xx.xx "@" > J > and mail x.x to whoever the abuse address in xx.xx points to. The WHOIS J > program is the one that JF wrote. If you are on a version of UCX before ) > 5.6 then the /WIN should be /WIN=(0,3).  >  > Peter Weaver > www.weaverconsulting.ca : > CHARON-VAX  CHARON-AXP DataStream Reflection PreciseMail  F Also if you don't have a LOT of free process slots the attack can eat C them all up until they timeout.  What we have done is to limit the  5 number on concurrent connections (in this case to 21)        $ tcpip sho service ssh/full   Service: SSH.                             State:     EnabledG Port:               22     Protocol:  TCP             Address:  0.0.0.0 I Inactivity:          5     User_name: TCPIP$SSH       Process:  TCPIP$SSH E Limit:              21     Active:        0           Peak:        21   I If you do this remember to restart the service on all nodes if a cluster.      Jim    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2006 05:00:11 -0800  From: bob@instantwhip.com  Subject: Re: SSH AttacksA Message-ID: <1165582811.782531.97080@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>    Tom Linden wrote: C > Occasionally I see intrusion attempts via ssh.  Knowing the IP of B > offender is there a way to prevent him from trying to log in?  A > teergrube would be great!  >  > --G > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/   / why worry?  intrusion will take care of him ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 06:17:47 -0800 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> Subject: Re: SSH Attacks) Message-ID: <op.tj8vbx0btte90l@hyrrokkin>   I On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 04:41:14 -0800, Jim Mehlhop <mjim1025@qwest.net> wro=  te:    > Peter Weaver wrote: E >>> Occasionally I see intrusion attempts via ssh.  Knowing the IP of D >>> offender is there a way to prevent him from trying to log in?  A >>> teergrube would be great! E >>   What I do is modify sys$system:tcpip$ssh_run.com so it does a  =   I >> PURGE/KEEP=3D1000 instead of the purge it does based on the number of=    =   I >> nodes in the cluster. Then I modified TCPIP$SSH_HOME:LOGIN.COM to mai=  l  =   >> me a message;4 >>  $ sysrem_node :=3D "''f$trnlnm("SYS$REM_NODE")'"$ >> $ mail nl: myusername/subject=3D-3 >>  "Someone logging into SSH! from ''sysrem_node'" I >>  If the attack is happening while I am watching then I just let them =   =  I >> carry on but I watch the .LOG files to me sure they are trying root, =   =  I >> admin, webmaster... If I am too busy to be amused then I use UCX SET =   =  B >> COMMUNICATION /REJECT=3DHOST=3Dip. Once they give up then I do; >>  $ whois /out=3Dxx.xx 'p1' 4 >> $ search *.log;* /win=3D(0,1)/stat/out=3Dx.x 'p1' >> $ search xx.xx "@" H >>  and mail x.x to whoever the abuse address in xx.xx points to. The  =  I >> WHOIS program is the one that JF wrote. If you are on a version of UC=  X  =  3 >> before 5.6 then the /WIN should be /WIN=3D(0,3).  >>  Peter Weaver >> www.weaverconsulting.ca; >> CHARON-VAX  CHARON-AXP DataStream Reflection PreciseMail  > I > Also if you don't have a LOT of free process slots the attack can eat =   =  G > them all up until they timeout.  What we have done is to limit the  =   7 > number on concurrent connections (in this case to 21)  >  >  >  > $ tcpip sho service ssh/full >  > Service: SSH0 >                             State:     EnabledI > Port:               22     Protocol:  TCP             Address:  0.0.0.=  0 I > Inactivity:          5     User_name: TCPIP$SSH       Process:  TCPIP$=  SSH G > Limit:              21     Active:        0           Peak:        21  > I > If you do this remember to restart the service on all nodes if a clust=  er.  >   I tcpip> help set service    doesn't sho peak, but limit.  BTW, what is th=  e  =   difference? E I wonder if there is a way to send a reject msg longer than 63 chars?  >  > Jim        -- =  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 15:03:36 +0000 / From: "R.A.Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>  Subject: Re: SSH Attacks4 Message-ID: <elbus8$kcd$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>   Tom Linden wrote: M > On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 04:41:14 -0800, Jim Mehlhop <mjim1025@qwest.net> wrote:  >> >> $ tcpip sho service ssh/full  >> >> Service: SSH 1 >>                             State:     Enabled J >> Port:               22     Protocol:  TCP             Address:  0.0.0.0L >> Inactivity:          5     User_name: TCPIP$SSH       Process:  TCPIP$SSHH >> Limit:              21     Active:        0           Peak:        21 >>L >> If you do this remember to restart the service on all nodes if a cluster. >> > H > tcpip> help set service    doesn't sho peak, but limit.  BTW, what is  > the  difference?  
 Quite simple.   D Peak is the maximum number of this service's connections observed soA far.  It is guaranteed to be less than or equal to the limit.  It ) has no sense to have it a settable value.   G > I wonder if there is a way to send a reject msg longer than 63 chars?   ; I don't think so.  I'm pretty sure it's the protocol limit.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 15:05:38 +0000 / From: "R.A.Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>  Subject: Re: SSH Attacks4 Message-ID: <elbv02$kcd$2$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:   > Tom Linden wrote:  > C >>Occasionally I see intrusion attempts via ssh.  Knowing the IP of B >>offender is there a way to prevent him from trying to log in?  A >>teergrube would be great!  >>1 > why worry?  intrusion will take care of him ...   9 Bob, intrusion can be seen as a denial-of-service attack.   8 And do you actually know what a "teergrube" is ?  Didn't think so ...   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2006 11:16:01 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: SSH Attacks3 Message-ID: <XKt5ixU3AW7F@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <op.tj5rwasitte90l@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> writes:C > Occasionally I see intrusion attempts via ssh.  Knowing the IP of B > offender is there a way to prevent him from trying to log in?  A > teergrube would be great!   E    Yeah, I see those too.  The way I prevent an attacker from logging '    in is by having VMS on the computer.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2006 11:18:28 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: SSH Attacks3 Message-ID: <G0zBMromwMuX@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <1165582811.782531.97080@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes:  > 1 > why worry?  intrusion will take care of him ...  >   @    For the lurking newbies, I think he means intrustion evasion.  H    Yes, it works.  I use it to tell the official scanner folks what theyF    tried against my systems.  You should see the looks on thier faces.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2006 06:59:24 -0800 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>+ Subject: Re: Standalone vs a regular backup B Message-ID: <1165589964.149413.223180@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>   tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote: < > I thought that a standalone backup is a image copy where aF > "weekly/daily" backup is just a snap-shot of the disk. I recall thatI > the queue manager and some other files will not work.correctly when you A > restore from a weekly. Anyway I will give it a try and see what 
 > happens. > phil >  > JF Mezei wrote: # > > tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote:  > > > Hello K > > > I have a 3100-90 that was running 7.3. The disk went south and I dont K > > > have a standalone backup, but I do have a weekly backup of the system  > > > disk.  > > O > > If you have the 7.3 CD, there should be a bootable standalone backup on it. O > >   Not sure which root it would be on, but it should be there. (if there are M > > any installation instructions, they would mention it). Once you boot with < > > that, you can then restore your tape to the system disk.  F An image backup is a backup of an entire disk made using BACKUP/IMAGE.: This is the recommended way to do a full backup of a disk.  G A standalone backup is made when the system is booted from a standalone > kit or from CD. This can be an image or physical backup, IIRC,A depending on what command you use. This is useful for system disk G backups because then all files are closed which is not a possible state G when you have booted from that same system disk. In some setups you can E do a backup of an offline system disk. This is just as good as a true C "standalone" as all files on the offline system disk will be closed 8 (well, assuming you don't let anyone access said disk!).  F A "weekly/daily" backup is a backup that's done weekly or daily, whichC could be anything you choose. A "snapshot" is similarly too vague a  term to be useful here.    AEF    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 09:11:04 -0600 ! From: VMSguy <vmsguy@comcast.net> + Subject: Re: Standalone vs a regular backup ( Message-ID: <45798088.60700@comcast.net>  G If your weekly backup has the /IMAGE qualifier then you should be able   to restore the disk and boot.   L If the BOOT sector is corrupt then you can use the WRITEBOOT - to do this...  ! SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]WRITEBOOT.EXE;   I This is FOR ALPHA!  The process should be similiar... sorry if I stumble   through this...    $ WRITEBOOT 3 Update VAX portion of boot block (default is Y) : N 1 Update AXP portion of boot block (default is Y) : ; Enter AXP boot file : device:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE]APB.EXE   ( The VAX boot file is SYS$SYSTEM:VMB.EXE ' (device:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE]VMB.EXE)   G I believe you would switch the "VAX and AXP portion of the boot block"  ' question above to Y and N respectively.    Steven M. Schweda wrote:   >From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net  >  >    > G >>I have a 3100-90 that was running 7.3. The disk went south and I dont G >>have a standalone backup, but I do have a weekly backup of the system F >>disk. I would like to restore the system. I am wondering if I reloadH >>7.3 and then do a normal restore of the weekly backup would that work. >>     >> > H >   It's hard to say, as "weekly backup" is not a well-defined concept. G >If you have an image backup, why would you want to "reload 7.3"?  Just J >resore the image backup using Standalone BACKUP (and hope for the best). G >If you don't have an image backup, you're probably looking at a lot of & >work to get things back as they were. >  >    >  >>What problems would I face?? >>     >> >  >   It depends.  > I >------------------------------------------------------------------------  > 4 >   Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org5 >   382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818  >   Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547 >  >    >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 10:58:34 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> + Subject: Re: Standalone vs a regular backup : Message-ID: <GL-dnfVivsc1FuTYnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@comcast.com>   tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote:   < > I thought that a standalone backup is a image copy where aF > "weekly/daily" backup is just a snap-shot of the disk. I recall thatI > the queue manager and some other files will not work.correctly when you A > restore from a weekly. Anyway I will give it a try and see what 
 > happens. > phil >  > JF Mezei wrote:  <snip>  G A standalone backup is just a backup made without the O/S running!  It  E is an image backup only if you include the /IMAGE qualifier.   You'd  C bloody well better include it if you expect to be able to boot the   restored disk!!!!   I Your daily or weekly backups of the system disk should also be made with  F /IMAGE if you expect to be able to boot the restored disk.  /IMAGE is # not necessary for non-system disks.   2 As a matter of habit I make all my backups /IMAGE.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2006 09:07:43 -0800 $ From: "roger" <rogerntucker@msn.com> Subject: Re: Who called me? A Message-ID: <1165597663.218751.83580@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>   ( I was trying to do this under VMS 7.3-2.  C Theses routines are also not documented in the 8.3 Utility Routines 8 Manual.  When will/are they be available and documented?  G I also wanted show an example that took care of some of the tricks when C calling lib$signal() and sys$putmsg() with requards to the argument F count and your own exception handler.  You must subtract two to handleD your own error messages correctly but not subtract two when handling> hardware exceptions.  Since you can't tell because the routineA TBK$IS_HARDWARE_EXCEPTION() is not available and I didn't want to D maintain my own list or link with the exec, you must always subtractC two and assume a bug in sys$putmsg() that it goes past the argument D count when needed.  This works, but I even had to look at the sourceG listings to PUTMSG to figure out why.  Even my 7.1 source listings have A several places that call PUTMSG and doesn't know about this.  See  [trace.lis]TBKDUMP.LIS   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.675 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                    