1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 12 Dec 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 682       Contents:- alpha 2100 system available whole or in parts  Re: Bad Shadow set member  Re: Bad Shadow set member . Re: Can you emulate openvms on x86 windows XP?! Re: DECNET during SYSHUTDWN.COM ? , DECW$MAIL: move to different folder broken ?! Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium ! Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium * Re: Managed vs unmanaged switch in cluster Memory error on a 3100-40  Re: mysql client) Re: OpenVMS Weekly Audio Update - Show #1 ) Re: OpenVMS Weekly Audio Update - Show #1  PATCH on Alpha and Itanium8 Splitting console output between PCM and console printer% sys v0600 patch for openvms 8.2 alpha  Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic* Re: [DEFRAG] Umpteen OPEN files in logfile* Re: [DEFRAG] Umpteen OPEN files in logfile* Re: [DEFRAG] Umpteen OPEN files in logfile  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 11 Dec 2006 12:47:49 -0800 From: alpha@altl.com6 Subject: alpha 2100 system available whole or in partsC Message-ID: <1165870069.473972.107160@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   C I have an 2100 system with 512MB memory,  6 - 2GB drives, dual CPUs F you can have all of it ( you pick up - Grand Rapids MI area ) or parts of it (you pay - I'll ship )C I really hate to just throw the whole thing away so if you have any A interest in any or all of it please let me know at alpha@altl.com    Last call !    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:07:26 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>" Subject: Re: Bad Shadow set member0 Message-ID: <4u66lfF16977kU1@mid.individual.net>  ' On 12/9/2006 6:31 AM, Tom Linden wrote: K > following a power outage one of the shadow sets did not mount.  Turns one 2 > of the two members, $42$DKA1200:,  had gone bad. >  > This is in the startup
 > $ MOUNT K > DSA0:/CLUSTER/NOASSIST/INCLUDE/NOCOPY/SHADOW=($42$DKA1200:,$42$DKA1300:)   > COMMON >  > 7 > So I had to manually mount omitting the first member.  > I > Doesn't mount detect that one member is bad and mount the other?  Am I   > missing a  > qualifier?  B I'm jumping into this late without having read all the replies, so? forgive me if someone else has already said this...but I recall @ having recommended /INCLUDE/NOCOPY several times in the past, so I thought I'd clarify.  ? Our usage of this was through a subroutine which was passed the C required shadow set device name, label and member device names, the 8 latter in a comma-separated list.  The subroutine would:  : 	a) Starting with the first, take each member in turn from             the list, - 	b) check F$GetDvi(member, "EXISTS"), if TRUE * 	c) check F$GetDvi(member, "AVL"), if TRUE< 	d) mount the shadow set specifying JUST THE CURRENT MEMBER:  ) 	$ Mount/System/NoAssist/Include/NoCopy - ! 		dsa_name label /Shadow=(member)   C If (b) and (c) were successful, the shadow set would be mounted and  the subroutine exited.  F If (b) or (c) failed, the subroutine would loop back and take the next member from the list.   G Using this algorithm, $42$DKA1200: would have failed either (b) or (c), D and then $42$DKA1300: would have been tried and the Mount would haveH succeeded.  In "normal" situations, the tests on $42$DKA1200: would haveF succeeded and the /Include on the mount would have pulled $42$DKA1300:6 into the shadow set as well (assuming it was healthy).  A Given the RA82- and RA90-vintage disks we were using, and the not D infrequent power outages we had (1-3 a year), and the rate of RA90'sB surviving a power outage, this strategy worked well for us.  YMMV.        Regards, Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:58:09 -0800 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>" Subject: Re: Bad Shadow set member) Message-ID: <op.tkfha7nqtte90l@hyrrokkin>   I On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:07:26 -0800, Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.co=  m>  =    wrote:  ) > On 12/9/2006 6:31 AM, Tom Linden wrote: I >> following a power outage one of the shadow sets did not mount.  Turns=    =    >> one3 >> of the two members, $42$DKA1200:,  had gone bad.  >>  This is in the startup
 >> $ MOUNT  =   I >> DSA0:/CLUSTER/NOASSIST/INCLUDE/NOCOPY/SHADOW=3D($42$DKA1200:,$42$DKA1=  300:)  =  	 >> COMMON : >>   So I had to manually mount omitting the first member.I >>  Doesn't mount detect that one member is bad and mount the other?  Am=   I  =    >> missing a
 >> qualifier?  > D > I'm jumping into this late without having read all the replies, soA > forgive me if someone else has already said this...but I recall B > having recommended /INCLUDE/NOCOPY several times in the past, so > I thought I'd clarify. > A > Our usage of this was through a subroutine which was passed the E > required shadow set device name, label and member device names, the : > latter in a comma-separated list.  The subroutine would: > < > 	a) Starting with the first, take each member in turn from >             the list, / > 	b) check F$GetDvi(member, "EXISTS"), if TRUE , > 	c) check F$GetDvi(member, "AVL"), if TRUE> > 	d) mount the shadow set specifying JUST THE CURRENT MEMBER: > + > 	$ Mount/System/NoAssist/Include/NoCopy - % > 		dsa_name label /Shadow=3D(member)  > E > If (b) and (c) were successful, the shadow set would be mounted and  > the subroutine exited. > I > If (b) or (c) failed, the subroutine would loop back and take the next=    > member from the list.  > I > Using this algorithm, $42$DKA1200: would have failed either (b) or (c)=  , F > and then $42$DKA1300: would have been tried and the Mount would haveI > succeeded.  In "normal" situations, the tests on $42$DKA1200: would ha=  veI > succeeded and the /Include on the mount would have pulled $42$DKA1300:=   8 > into the shadow set as well (assuming it was healthy). > C > Given the RA82- and RA90-vintage disks we were using, and the not F > infrequent power outages we had (1-3 a year), and the rate of RA90'sD > surviving a power outage, this strategy worked well for us.  YMMV.  # Any chance you could post the code?    >  >      Regards, Ken        -- =  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:26:55 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 7 Subject: Re: Can you emulate openvms on x86 windows XP? 9 Message-ID: <c66dnXmpRNclCeDYnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d@libcom.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > davidc@montagar.com wrote:F >> The correct web site is http://www.openvmshobbyist.com for all your >> Hobbyist information. >  > I > Yeah. but www.montagar.com  is quicker to type and easier to remember,  H > and besides, you deserve some publicity for all the good work you are  > doing :-)  > I > Now, if you were to program your montagar web site to send an electric  J > shock to my mouse if I were to click on the hobbyist link, then perhaps E > I might be convinced to work on remembering that long name for the   > hobbyist stuff ! :-)  G You just want me to have lots of friends when we come for you with the  
 bats.  :-)  4 Maybe he doesn't want the hits on his web site/page.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:19:21 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>* Subject: Re: DECNET during SYSHUTDWN.COM ?0 Message-ID: <4u6as9F16kqeqU1@mid.individual.net>  % On 12/3/2006 3:51 AM, JF Mezei wrote: E > I need to run a task during system shutdown under a different user.  > J > During the execution of SYSHUTDWN.COM, is DECNET (4) garanteed to still  > be available ? >  > G > I tried it just now, and it seemed to work. But am wondering whether  + > this would be acceptable practice or not.  > " > I do a TYPE 0"user"::"0=procnam" [...etc...]   G I don't know whether this will help or not, but there's an undocumented F logical name you can define, NET$APPLICATION_SHUTDOWN, that if definedC to point to a procedure, it will run that procedure prior to DECnet E shutting down, and therefore, also prior to SYSHUTDWN.COM.  We use it  extensively here...   D I also don't know if this works under DECnet IV; it definitely works under DECnet V.    	Cheer, Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:20:18 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 5 Subject: DECW$MAIL: move to different folder broken ? 8 Message-ID: <f30a3$457d6935$cef8887a$20277@TEKSAVVY.COM>  
 Alpha VMS 8.3   E On my old vaxstation, it had its own system disk and non-common user  , directory. So it had its own mail directory.  H Prior to retiring it, I used DECW$MAIL to access the "drawer" (aka: the J MAIL.MAI file on that vaxstation disk) and move important messages to the % proper cluster common user directory.   G The operation seemed to work fine. And after exiting DECW$MAIL, I also  J noticed that the vaxstation mail directory was almost empty. (a couple of H stray mail files whose contents were not in MAIL.MAI).  So again, every - indication that the MOVE command worked fine.   K However, today, i fire up DECW$MAIL , only to find that the folder created  4 to contain those messages doesn't exist. It is gone.  * character cell MAIL also finds no folders.  ; Is this a know issue with MOVE not working across drawers ?   H That is not something I really needed at this point in time.  I guess I G will have to bring the vaxstation back on-line, edit the indexf.sys to  J extract any/all MAIL*. files and then use DFU or UNDEL to recover as many 	 as I can.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:28:14 -0500 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>* Subject: Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium7 Message-ID: <457e0505$0$49202$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>    Bob Koehler wrote:s > In article <457a2f58$0$49195$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes: G >> decimal is actually a builtin type in the newest "big" language: C#.  > E >    New?  I'm quite sure that thing has been around, not gaining any % >    foothold, for over a decade now.   6 .NET 1.0 with C# 1.0 were released in non beta in 20028 that is 4 years ago (the first beta was in 2000 though).  5 I am no aware of any newer languages which are widely  used.   A And yes - it is widely used. At most job sites it either #2 or #3 = language (Java is usually #1 and C/C++ competes with C# about  second).   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Dec 2006 22:32:54 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) * Subject: Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium3 Message-ID: <Pi5p1ioEMU5s@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <po$jeCOUt6+d@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: p > In article <1165730356.936089.246350@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>, "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com> writes: >>  H >> I too have used binary integers for years in such situations, becauseB >> in most cases that I have encountered, the scaling was known inH >> advance. This is, in effect, using integer with an understood decimal	 >> point.  > I >    We've done that for years on processors which had no floating point. E >    You're just implementing fixed point by hand, which is fine.  Of D >    course the folks who love PL/I will wonder why you bother to do >    it by hand.  ! As will those of us who love Ada.   F I am not sure if there are any people on the newsgroup who love Cobol.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:24:15 -0800 # From: Joe Bloggs <JBloggs@acme.com> 3 Subject: Re: Managed vs unmanaged switch in cluster 8 Message-ID: <ql4rn2hft4974vc2h9vvisbav8irr8sppf@4ax.com>  , On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 15:50:50 -0500, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:   L >Right now, my cluster is on a 10mbps hub. Time to upgrade. (and I ned more  >ports). > F >However, the affordable switches are all unmanaged and offer no port M >mirroring capabilities. (aka: ethermon becomes useless when trying to debug   >network problems).   E One possibility:  the Linksys wap/switches (WRT54xx)  running linux   & (via open-source firmware, eg DD-WRT)    Price is right, ($60-120 USD).  6 but only 4 switch ports.  and No port mirroring, afaik< (afaik, if port mirroring can be done, I'd love to know how)  # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WRT54G    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Dec 2006 22:06:20 -0800 From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net" Subject: Memory error on a 3100-40B Message-ID: <1165903580.524930.90280@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>  ) I started getting this error on a 3100-40  KA45-A V1.4-38D-V4.2 08-00-2B-3E-96-C8 $ 8MB <-------- IT USE TO SHOW 32 MEGS ?? 001 5 MEM 0064    >>> SHO MEM  MEM_TOP = 00800000 MEM_BOT = 00000000  
 MEM_NOT_AVAIL  007C3400:007FFFFF   E I thought maybe it was the 4meg simms, but I get the above regardless B if the simms are in or out. Is it time to replace the motherboard?B If its time to replace the motherboard does anybody have a 3100-40 motherboard around for cheap?? thanks phillip    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Dec 2006 20:13:13 GMT# From: malakasoy <pana@gamithis.net>  Subject: Re: mysql client : Message-ID: <Xns9897496CB7C15panagamithisnet@203.50.5.233>  B "Ian Miller" <gxys@uk2.net> wrote in news:1165828462.329034.95040@ 73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com:   > Have you tried the kit from 4 > http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/#mysql > ! > I think it includes the client.  >   K I've tried that one, but i can't get it to install, it needs VMS 7.3, i've   only got 7.2 to work with.   Any other suggestions?   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Dec 2006 14:47:45 -0800) From: "WWWebb" <William.W.Webb@gmail.com> 2 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Weekly Audio Update - Show #1A Message-ID: <1165877265.709277.66020@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Ian Miller wrote: < > Enough about the format, what do you think of the content?  # One thumbs up from this audiophile.    WWWebb   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 00:59:00 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> 2 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Weekly Audio Update - Show #1J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-4A6899.00590012122006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  A In article <1165877265.709277.66020@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, +  "WWWebb" <William.W.Webb@gmail.com> wrote:    > Ian Miller wrote: > > > Enough about the format, what do you think of the content? > % > One thumbs up from this audiophile.   G FWIW, I particularly liked the revisit of the QUANTUM system parameter.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:56:28 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG# Subject: PATCH on Alpha and Itanium 0 Message-ID: <00A600D6.25BB3F47@SendSpamHere.ORG>  F PATCH is, at long last, available on new versions of OpenVMS Alpha andH OpenVMS Itanium.  I could really use a PATCH for V7.* Alpha.  Any chance it will be back-ported?    --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 11 Dec 2006 12:37:53 -0800) From: "WWWebb" <William.W.Webb@gmail.com> A Subject: Splitting console output between PCM and console printer B Message-ID: <1165869473.316027.161280@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>  E One of my colleagues is migrating in some AlphaServer 1200s where the ? on-site folks are used to getting their console output on paper   B (I'm not sure whether LA120s or DECwriter IIIs are involved, but I2 haven't thought of either one in Quite Some Time.)  G Our in-house standard involves the use of serial consoles and Unicenter  TNG Console Manager.   The question at hand is:  C Can we set up TNG and still give them the paper with which they are  comfortable?  E I suspect it's doable, and that one of y'all has done it, gotchas and  all.   Thanks in advance,   WWWebb   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:01:25 GMT . From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca>. Subject: sys v0600 patch for openvms 8.2 alpha, Message-ID: <V1hfh.57867$rv4.14912@edtnps90>  K I was told by oracle today that a patch I need from them requires this vms  K patch but the itrc does not list it anywhere.  Does anyone have any ideas ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:09:21 -0800 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>' Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic ) Message-ID: <op.tkestvgctte90l@hyrrokkin>   . On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:51:58 -0800, JF Mezei  % <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:   J > BTW, NASA has DEC Alphas as workstations to support space missions for  H > shuttle. They are considering going to 8086s running Linux. And that  L > leaves the door open to any industry standard computer maker. HP is this  J > likely to lose a big customer and Tru64 revenus that won't be replaced   > by HP-UX.   # They also still use some big VAXen.    --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 02:06:21 -0500  From: "Ray" <no@spam.me>' Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic - Message-ID: <lr7fh.1052$VR1.683@newsfe03.lga>   3 > O.k. So, Cerner is dropping VMS in favor of HP-UX    I wouldn't say that.  C > I64 SuperDomes still perform abysmally compared to, say, Power-5.   G Are you aware that you can get Cerner's stuff on IBM p-Series hardware? 9 Here's an example for your consideration (mind the wrap):   P http://www-03.ibm.com/industries/healthcare/doc/content/casestudy/972671105.html  K It would be criminally stupid to bet your business on HP. Cerner has been a G long, loyal and involved VMS customer and a long-time member of the VMS G customer advisory board (do they still have the CAB anymore?), but they  aren't stupid.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:12:32 -0600 3 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> ' Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic 0 Message-ID: <457DF3F0.E9FBC4D9@spam.comcast.net>  
 Ray wrote: > 5 > > O.k. So, Cerner is dropping VMS in favor of HP-UX  >  > I wouldn't say that.  5 I would(did). ...and I got it first-hand from Cerner!   E > > I64 SuperDomes still perform abysmally compared to, say, Power-5.  > I > Are you aware that you can get Cerner's stuff on IBM p-Series hardware? ; > Here's an example for your consideration (mind the wrap):  > R > http://www-03.ibm.com/industries/healthcare/doc/content/casestudy/972671105.html  P I am PAINfully aware of AIX being one of the more viable alternatives due to the hardware it runs on.  F Now, if VMS had followed Linux/*BSD's lead and been ported to Power...  > ...oh, yeah - it still wouldn't support 64+ CPUs (officially).  M > It would be criminally stupid to bet your business on HP. Cerner has been a I > long, loyal and involved VMS customer and a long-time member of the VMS I > customer advisory board (do they still have the CAB anymore?), but they  > aren't stupid.  O Debatable (from someone who actually had to write a process monitoring proc. to 8 kill server processes that get caught in compute-loops).   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:17:20 -0600 3 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> ' Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic 0 Message-ID: <457DF510.FE28AA2A@spam.comcast.net>   Ian Miller wrote:  >  > David J Dachtera wrote:  > ....Q > > O.k. So, Cerner is dropping VMS in favor of HP-UX because of the whole Oracle S > > thing. Fair enough. No one's got the balls to turn up the heat under Oracle, so  > > that's going nowhere.  > 7 > Can you point at a reference for Cerner dropping VMS?   J The following excerpt is from a message that was posted to one of Cerner'sB listservs by Tim Erdel of Cerner on Wed 11/29/2006 circa. 2:58 PM:   <quote> G As for VMS / Integrity, all of our resources have been focused on HP-UX B in the past year, again to provide existing VMS / Alpha clients an@ option.  As stated at the health conference, we will continue toE evaluate the possibility of porting to VMS / Integrity, but as of now + it's not an option and not being worked on.    Tim  </quote>  @ (I sent Ian the complete text of Tim Erdel's message privately.)  N It's interesting to note that I was told Cerner's biggest HP-UX capable I64 is8 an 8-CPU Integrity machine. Dunno if that's true or not.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Dec 2006 16:44:21 -0800* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>' Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic C Message-ID: <1165884261.630533.137880@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>    David J Dachtera wrote:    > L > The following excerpt is from a message that was posted to one of Cerner'sD > listservs by Tim Erdel of Cerner on Wed 11/29/2006 circa. 2:58 PM: > 	 > <quote> I > As for VMS / Integrity, all of our resources have been focused on HP-UX D > in the past year, again to provide existing VMS / Alpha clients anB > option.  As stated at the health conference, we will continue to  D So now  HP-UX  is to "provide existing VMS/Alpha clients an option".F Bullshit. It provides the existing vendor of VMS an option of saving aB customer (or so HP thinks). If I was a VMS client I'd take the IBM> option if that's the way HP want to treat their VMS customers.  G > evaluate the possibility of porting to VMS / Integrity, but as of now - > it's not an option and not being worked on.   E Translation: "HP have told us not to bother. We're annoyed but unless F HP reverses their plan to sunset VMS we have to bail out folks. By the) way did we mention we run nicely on IBM?"  --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:00:45 +0100 ( From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.nano.tudelft.nl>3 Subject: Re: [DEFRAG] Umpteen OPEN files in logfile 3 Message-ID: <457D021D.4050205@hrem.nano.tudelft.nl>     Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:H > I run the DEFRAG (currently V2.9) on a daily (L2) and on a weekly (L1)G > basis for years now and I always wondered why in the logfile I always G > find myriads of "OPEN" files ("file was open; no action taken") which I > I still don't understand (because there is nothing running - except the : > Defragger of course - which would hold said files open). > + > Does anybody know what I can do about it? K > Does anybody know, if the newest/beta version of Defragger does the same?  >  > TIA  > F There is an issue on open files on ODS5 disks making DEFRAG very very H slow on my Alpha's. I think all of the files are directory files. HP is E presently investigating the problem on my system. So also the latest  & version of DEFRAG contain the problem.                             Jouk   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Dec 2006 23:47:48 +01006 From: eplan@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)3 Subject: Re: [DEFRAG] Umpteen OPEN files in logfile * Message-ID: <457c9ca4@news.langstoeger.at>   In article <fy%eh.26126$E02.10875@newsb.telia.net>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> writes:! >Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER skrev: I >> I run the DEFRAG (currently V2.9) on a daily (L2) and on a weekly (L1) H >> basis for years now and I always wondered why in the logfile I alwaysH >> find myriads of "OPEN" files ("file was open; no action taken") whichJ >> I still don't understand (because there is nothing running - except the; >> Defragger of course - which would hold said files open).  >>  , >> Does anybody know what I can do about it?L >> Does anybody know, if the newest/beta version of Defragger does the same? > # >And the files wasn't "installed" ? * >Any installed file (with INSTALL) is seen >as "open" to the system...   J No. About 5900 of the about 6000 open files were .DIR (and often repeated)+ About 7 of the (100) rest were really open. " And I have "IN USE" messages, too.   What is your experience?   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:12:05 -0600 (CST) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)3 Subject: Re: [DEFRAG] Umpteen OPEN files in logfile 2 Message-ID: <06121117120544_2020028F@antinode.org>  6 From: eplan@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)  K > >> I run the DEFRAG (currently V2.9) on a daily (L2) and on a weekly (L1) J > >> basis for years now and I always wondered why in the logfile I alwaysJ > >> find myriads of "OPEN" files ("file was open; no action taken") whichL > >> I still don't understand (because there is nothing running - except the= > >> Defragger of course - which would hold said files open).    > What is your experience?  E    I run it ("Disk File Optimizer for OpenVMS DFG V2.9") from time to ) time, with similarly encouraging results:    [...] L Begin free space consolidation:                       9-NOV-2006 03:01:11.74# There are 20118 consolidation areas  [...] V     IN USE  DISK$VMS073ALP:[UTILITY.SOURCE.ZIP.UNZ553A.HUMAN68K]MAKEFILE.;1 (1 extent)+ [Oh, yeah.  I use that one _all_ the time.]  [...] @     OPEN    DISK$VMS073ALP:[VMS$COMMON.SYSHLP.EXAMPLES]SCA.DIR;1 [Sure.]  [...]  [... hundreds more ...]  [...]   E    It's conceivable (barely) that BACKUP might be involved, and I was 2 always intending to check that out, but I haven't.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.682 ************************