1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 12 Dec 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 683       Contents: Re: Alternative to FTP- Beep pattern on almost dead Alpha meaningful? 1 Re: Beep pattern on almost dead Alpha meaningful? 1 Re: Beep pattern on almost dead Alpha meaningful? 1 Re: Beep pattern on almost dead Alpha meaningful? 1 Re: Beep pattern on almost dead Alpha meaningful? 1 Re: Beep pattern on almost dead Alpha meaningful? 1 Re: Beep pattern on almost dead Alpha meaningful? 0 Re: Cluster connection lost when one link fails?. DEC VAX / Pascal to HP-UX Conversion PM Needed. DEC VAX / Pascal to HP-UX Conversion PM Needed! Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium ! Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium ! Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium ! Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium  Interesting problem with BACKUP # Re: Interesting problem with BACKUP * Re: Managed vs unmanaged switch in cluster* Re: Managed vs unmanaged switch in cluster* Re: Managed vs unmanaged switch in cluster Re: Memory error on a 3100-40  Re: Memory error on a 3100-40  Re: Memory error on a 3100-40  Re: PATCH on Alpha and Itanium Re: PATCH on Alpha and Itanium Re: PATCH on Alpha and Itanium Re: PATCH on Alpha and Itanium Re: PATCH on Alpha and Itanium Re: Saved NVRAM/TOY file< RE: Splitting console output between PCM and console printer< Re: Splitting console output between PCM and console printer) Re: sys v0600 patch for openvms 8.2 alpha  Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2006 08:20:07 -0800  From: "Mike" <mlpoole@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Alternative to FTP A Message-ID: <1165940406.946898.59040@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>    Arne,   5 i would love to see it if you wouldn't mind sharing..    Thanks,    Mike   mlpoole (at) gmail [dot] com       Arne Vajh=F8j wrote:
 > Mike wrote: K > > We are using the DOS prompt to FTP because all the fancy .NET ftp stuff  > > doesn't seem to like VMS.  > < > I have some C# code that will works with a VMS FTP server. >=20 > Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2006 04:51:49 -0800' From: "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> 6 Subject: Beep pattern on almost dead Alpha meaningful?B Message-ID: <1165927909.047456.201480@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  F When I power up this AlphaStation 400 4/233, the disk and cd lights upD for a few seconds then everything goes dead.   When I hit the rebootA button, the Alpha responds with 3 beeps, pause, 2 beeps, pause, 4 > beeps.  Does this mean anything diagnostic?  Or, is it just an> alternative answer to the question of life, the universe,  and everything?    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:18:55 GMT ' From: ChrisQuayle <nospam@devnul.co.uk> : Subject: Re: Beep pattern on almost dead Alpha meaningful?7 Message-ID: <3%xfh.11961$kM2.2377@newsfe7-win.ntli.net>    tadamsmar wrote:H > When I power up this AlphaStation 400 4/233, the disk and cd lights upF > for a few seconds then everything goes dead.   When I hit the rebootC > button, the Alpha responds with 3 beeps, pause, 2 beeps, pause, 4 @ > beeps.  Does this mean anything diagnostic?  Or, is it just an@ > alternative answer to the question of life, the universe,  and
 > everything?  >   I Yes, it is a diagnostic that's used when the screen can't be accessed to  B write the error message. It could be a memory fault and it may be I worthwhile swapping the simms around to see if this provide a pointer. I  B think these machines will still output beeps if all the memory is I removed, but (my) memory fades. Memory for this machine must be *parity*  F simms, but not sure if fast page mode or edo. Suggest try to find the  manual as well.   H You could try plugging a terminal into one or other of the serial ports I to see if anything shows up there. 9600.N,8.1, for the terminal settings   is the default, iirc...    Chris    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2006 06:02:32 -0800' From: "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> : Subject: Re: Beep pattern on almost dead Alpha meaningful?B Message-ID: <1165932152.649449.270800@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>   Dan Foster wrote: k > In article <1165927909.047456.201480@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, tadamsmar <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote: J > > When I power up this AlphaStation 400 4/233, the disk and cd lights upH > > for a few seconds then everything goes dead.   When I hit the rebootE > > button, the Alpha responds with 3 beeps, pause, 2 beeps, pause, 4 / > > beeps.  Does this mean anything diagnostic?  >  > Yep. > * > Failure of keyboard or mouse controller. >  > Page 4-7:  > D > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/download/ek-pcdsa-ui-b01.pdf >  > -Dan   Thanks!   C The LED code is D8,  keyboard controller failure.   Any ideas about ; what to do?  I guess the controller is on the mother board.   C We are going to try another keyboard,  reseat the board/connectors. ' Then I guess we will buy another Alpha.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:11:04 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>: Subject: Re: Beep pattern on almost dead Alpha meaningful?) Message-ID: <elmd9u$2o55$1@pyrite.mv.net>    tadamsmar wrote:H > When I power up this AlphaStation 400 4/233, the disk and cd lights upF > for a few seconds then everything goes dead.   When I hit the rebootC > button, the Alpha responds with 3 beeps, pause, 2 beeps, pause, 4 @ > beeps.  Does this mean anything diagnostic?  Or, is it just an@ > alternative answer to the question of life, the universe,  and
 > everything?     5    The hardware failure beep codes are in the manual.   "    Wander over to Google and enter  $      "alphastation 400" "beep codes"  I    Based on what I see returned right now, you can even use "I'm feeling  ? lucky" button.  You'll be in the manual and there's high-level  & diagnostic troubleshooting info there.  ?    The 3-2-4 report is a failure within the keyboard and mouse   interconnect controller.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2006 06:25:31 -0800' From: "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> : Subject: Re: Beep pattern on almost dead Alpha meaningful?C Message-ID: <1165933531.401180.164310@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    tadamsmar wrote: > Dan Foster wrote: m > > In article <1165927909.047456.201480@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, tadamsmar <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote: L > > > When I power up this AlphaStation 400 4/233, the disk and cd lights upJ > > > for a few seconds then everything goes dead.   When I hit the rebootG > > > button, the Alpha responds with 3 beeps, pause, 2 beeps, pause, 4 1 > > > beeps.  Does this mean anything diagnostic?  > >  > > Yep. > > , > > Failure of keyboard or mouse controller. > > 
 > > Page 4-7:  > > F > > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/download/ek-pcdsa-ui-b01.pdf > >  > > -Dan > 	 > Thanks!  > E > The LED code is D8,  keyboard controller failure.   Any ideas about = > what to do?  I guess the controller is on the mother board.  > E > We are going to try another keyboard,  reseat the board/connectors. ) > Then I guess we will buy another Alpha.   ? I think I got it working.  The internal ribbon connector to the D keyboard jack seemed a bit loose, worked out.  I push it in but that7 did not work.  I fiddled with it a bit and it rebooted.   > Probably worked out and got some exposure to the air, I guess.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:47:47 -0500 > From: "Island Computers, D B Turner" <dturner-at-islandco.com>: Subject: Re: Beep pattern on almost dead Alpha meaningful?0 Message-ID: <12ntqr0rbqg5nc8@news.supernews.com>   TIme to buy a cheap DS10L   # We have them configured as follows:    DS10L EV6 466Mhz 256MB Memory
 30GB IDE Disk  No CD  Dual Ethernet 10/100   Total $189 each + shipping   --   Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 x201# Mail: dturner-atnospam-islandco-com % (You know what to do with the dashes) 2 "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote in message< news:1165927909.047456.201480@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...H > When I power up this AlphaStation 400 4/233, the disk and cd lights upF > for a few seconds then everything goes dead.   When I hit the rebootC > button, the Alpha responds with 3 beeps, pause, 2 beeps, pause, 4 @ > beeps.  Does this mean anything diagnostic?  Or, is it just an@ > alternative answer to the question of life, the universe,  and
 > everything?  >    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2006 10:26:23 -0800' From: "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> : Subject: Re: Beep pattern on almost dead Alpha meaningful?A Message-ID: <1165947983.026666.5420@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>   C My hardware guy was just talking about calling you.  I told him you G were probably monitoring my posts.  We have about given up this 400 for  dead.   G I wonder about the license paks.   Will the ones we bought with the 400  cover that DS10?  * I just don't recall if we have tried that.    # Island Computers, D B Turner wrote:  > TIme to buy a cheap DS10L  > % > We have them configured as follows:  >  > DS10L EV6 466Mhz > 256MB Memory > 30GB IDE Disk  > No CD  > Dual Ethernet 10/100 >  > Total $189 each + shipping >  > -- > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St  > Savannah GA 31404  > Tel: 912 447 6622 x201% > Mail: dturner-atnospam-islandco-com ' > (You know what to do with the dashes) 4 > "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote in message> > news:1165927909.047456.201480@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...J > > When I power up this AlphaStation 400 4/233, the disk and cd lights upH > > for a few seconds then everything goes dead.   When I hit the rebootE > > button, the Alpha responds with 3 beeps, pause, 2 beeps, pause, 4 B > > beeps.  Does this mean anything diagnostic?  Or, is it just anB > > alternative answer to the question of life, the universe,  and > > everything?  > >    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2006 00:22:50 -0800/ From: "Volker Halle" <volker_halle@hotmail.com> 9 Subject: Re: Cluster connection lost when one link fails? B Message-ID: <1165911770.787192.226790@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>  D For reference - here are the OpenVMS engineering case escalation IDs for these two CLUEXIT crashes:   QXCM1000384436 (Malcolms case) QXCM1000385481 (my case)  > These IDs should show up in future patches - if those would be generated for this problem.    Volker.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2006 08:43:42 -08003 From: "Spencer" <spencer@revolutionarystaffing.com> 7 Subject: DEC VAX / Pascal to HP-UX Conversion PM Needed B Message-ID: <1165941822.255522.184700@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>  E I need to find a "mainframe project manager" for a position based out  of St. Louis, MO.   E This person will need to do a conversion from Dec VAX/VMS (Pascal) to 
 HP-UX (C).  G They would have full-life cycle experience and some experience managing  offshore resources.   * The project is scheduled to start 1Q 2007.  C And finally, this person would probably travel to the UK one or two % times over the course of the project.   G Can anyone recommend a better user group to post this on if this is not  the right forum    Thanks,    Spencer  Technical Recruiter  214-295-6116 - My Direct Line    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2006 08:44:55 -08003 From: "Spencer" <spencer@revolutionarystaffing.com> 7 Subject: DEC VAX / Pascal to HP-UX Conversion PM Needed B Message-ID: <1165941895.041258.137920@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>  E I need to find a "mainframe project manager" for a position based out  of St. Louis, MO.   E This person will need to do a conversion from Dec VAX/VMS (Pascal) to 
 HP-UX (C).  G They would have full-life cycle experience and some experience managing  offshore resources.   * The project is scheduled to start 1Q 2007.  C And finally, this person would probably travel to the UK one or two % times over the course of the project.   G Can anyone recommend a better user group to post this on if this is not  the right forum    Thanks,    Spencer  Technical Recruiter  214-295-6116 - My Direct Line    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Dec 2006 12:55:12 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)* Subject: Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium0 Message-ID: <4u7n5gF16gbi7U1@mid.individual.net>  3 In article <Pi5p1ioEMU5s@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:s > In article <po$jeCOUt6+d@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: q >> In article <1165730356.936089.246350@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>, "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com> writes:  >>> I >>> I too have used binary integers for years in such situations, because C >>> in most cases that I have encountered, the scaling was known in I >>> advance. This is, in effect, using integer with an understood decimal 
 >>> point. >>  J >>    We've done that for years on processors which had no floating point.F >>    You're just implementing fixed point by hand, which is fine.  OfE >>    course the folks who love PL/I will wonder why you bother to do  >>    it by hand.  > # > As will those of us who love Ada.   E I wouldn't say I loved Ada, but it's at least as nice to work with as  Pascal was.    > H > I am not sure if there are any people on the newsgroup who love Cobol.  K Look over this way. See my hand waving. And I don't need to leave the room.   F Of course, There was an Arbitrary Precision Math Package written for CE (usable by other languages as well) ages ago.  It's only drawback was F speed, but then, wasn't that a drawback on pretty much everything on a computer 20 years ago?  :-)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:33:33 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>* Subject: Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium: Message-ID: <457EAFAD.4030603@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>   Tom Linden wrote:   H > As it turns out, studying the IBM papers on this, they use an encodingJ > techniques which gives them two additional digits of accuracy to 33, butI > when the computations are performed they convert to packed decimal, bcd H > format.  My own feeling is that if they add this as a new data type inA > C, for example, it would make C viable to be used in financial   > applications.   I    The compiler can implement the format, or the processor hardware can,  I or the operating system, or (if present) a processor customization layer  I (akin to the PALcode layer on Alpha), or the application programmer can.  H   For the business system I remediated, it was fixed in BASIC and there * was no need for custom processor hardware.  A    I've implemented this stuff myself using bog-standard integer  H formats.  It's a no-brainer to implement this code, and it's full-speed D native on most any processor.  It's yet easier now given widespread G 64-bit or larger in C and other languages.  And for some stuff, I used  @ extended precision or even character math.  Runs everywhere.  A H compiler, OS or RTL could easily implement the same strategy.  Portably.  G    As for the request (and based solely on observing the cycle time of  C various new generations -- not shrinks -- of microprocessors), I'd  G figure two to four years to see this stuff implemented in silicon in a  I microprocessor (best case), plus a release cycle for an operating system  H around the capabilities in the operating system and in a compiler.  Add H on the adoption time for the microprocessor in new or upgraded systems, C for layered products and customer applications.  Assume aggressive  D compiler engineering schedules that prioritize the decimal floating E point work over other projects, and assume few or no end-user source  @ code change requirements.  That's probably 2010 at the earliest I theoretical availability, give or take some years, before there exists a  H subset of the systems in the wild that actually have these instructions ' and this decimal floating point format.   F    Alternatives: an implementation local code, RTL and/or OS and/or a - PALcode-like solution code, or compiler code.   H    Sure, a microprocessor addition/extension is interesting idea and an < interesting format.  But in reality, I'd use scaled integer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:34:10 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>* Subject: Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium) Message-ID: <elmb4j$2ner$2@pyrite.mv.net>    Tom Linden wrote:   H > As it turns out, studying the IBM papers on this, they use an encodingJ > techniques which gives them two additional digits of accuracy to 33, butI > when the computations are performed they convert to packed decimal, bcd H > format.  My own feeling is that if they add this as a new data type inA > C, for example, it would make C viable to be used in financial   > applications.   I    The compiler can implement the format, or the processor hardware can,  I or the operating system, or (if present) a processor customization layer  I (akin to the PALcode layer on Alpha), or the application programmer can.  H   For the business system I remediated, it was fixed in BASIC and there * was no need for custom processor hardware.  A    I've implemented this stuff myself using bog-standard integer  H formats.  It's a no-brainer to implement this code, and it's full-speed D native on most any processor.  It's yet easier now given widespread G 64-bit or larger in C and other languages.  And for some stuff, I used  @ extended precision or even character math.  Runs everywhere.  A H compiler, OS or RTL could easily implement the same strategy.  Portably.  G    As for the request (and based solely on observing the cycle time of  C various new generations -- not shrinks -- of microprocessors), I'd  G figure two to four years to see this stuff implemented in silicon in a  I microprocessor (best case), plus a release cycle for an operating system  H around the capabilities in the operating system and in a compiler.  Add H on the adoption time for the microprocessor in new or upgraded systems, C for layered products and customer applications.  Assume aggressive  D compiler engineering schedules that prioritize the decimal floating E point work over other projects, and assume few or no end-user source  @ code change requirements.  That's probably 2010 at the earliest I theoretical availability, give or take some years, before there exists a  H subset of the systems in the wild that actually have these instructions ' and this decimal floating point format.   F    Alternatives: an implementation local code, RTL and/or OS and/or a - PALcode-like solution code, or compiler code.   H    Sure, a microprocessor addition/extension is interesting idea and an < interesting format.  But in reality, I'd use scaled integer.   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Dec 2006 13:43:22 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)* Subject: Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium0 Message-ID: <4u7pvqF16rhtuU1@mid.individual.net>  : In article <457EAFAD.4030603@hoffmanlabs-removethis-.org>,; 	Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org> writes:  > Tom Linden wrote:  > I >> As it turns out, studying the IBM papers on this, they use an encoding K >> techniques which gives them two additional digits of accuracy to 33, but J >> when the computations are performed they convert to packed decimal, bcdI >> format.  My own feeling is that if they add this as a new data type in B >> C, for example, it would make C viable to be used in financial  >> applications. > K >    The compiler can implement the format, or the processor hardware can,  K > or the operating system, or (if present) a processor customization layer  K > (akin to the PALcode layer on Alpha), or the application programmer can.    C Or you can use an external system like The Arbitrary Precision Math + Package which was around for C decades ago.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2006 04:51:24 -0800* From: "Palda" <jiri.pallich@logicacmg.com>( Subject: Interesting problem with BACKUPB Message-ID: <1165927884.772774.170660@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>   Hi,   A I have an interesting problem with the BACKUP utility. I am using F scripts running in batch for performing a backup. It backups data to aG directory on hard drive to a temprary directory (e.g. BCK$ROOT:[STORE]) G first and then it copies all the save sets from the temporary directory 2 to a tape and then it deletes the processed files.  D The problem is that there are more versions of the same save sets inG the temporary directory. Here is the list of two versions of one of the B save sets. I think the files are the same (also the time, when the backup command was issued).:  + DE01:SYSTEM> backup /list FILE1.BCK;27 /sav  Listing of save set(s)   Save set:          FILE1.BCK Written by:        SYSTEM " UIC:               [000001,000004]* Date:              18-SEP-2006 15:53:37.18* Command:           BACKUP/IGNORE=INTERLOCK% SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$SNMP]TCPIP$SNMP_ P CONF.DAT;0,SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$SNMP]LOGIN.COM;0,SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$SNMP]*.CNF2 ;0,SYS$STARTUP:SNMP_*.COM;0,SNMP_EXE:*AGENT*.EXE;0 BCK$ROOT:[STORE]FILE1.BCK/SAV - Operating system:  OpenVMS Alpha version V7.3  BACKUP version:    AXP72R001 CPU ID register:   80000000  Node name:         _NODE01:: Written on:        _$1$DGA100: Block size:        32256 Group size:        10  Buffer count:      252  = [TCPIP$SNMP]TCPIP$SNMP_CONF.DAT;55                          6  18-SEP-2006 15:09 = [TCPIP$SNMP]LOGIN.COM;1                                     1  1-AUG-2006 11:14= [TCPIP$SNMP]OPCOMAGENT_NODE01.CNF;6                         7  3-SEP-2006 11:19= [TCPIP$SNMP]OPCOMAGENT_NODE02.CNF;6                         7  3-SEP-2006 11:28= [TCPIP$SNMP]OPCOMAGENT_NODE03.CNF;6                         7  3-SEP-2006 11:29= [TCPIP$SNMP]OPCOMAGENT_TEMPLATE.CNF;5                       7  12-APR-2005 13:16 = [TCPIP$SNMP]SMSCAGENT_NODE01.CNF;9                          7  17-SEP-2006 14:48 = [TCPIP$SNMP]SMSCAGENT_NODE02.CNF;8                          7  17-SEP-2006 14:48 = [TCPIP$SNMP]SMSCAGENT_NODE03.CNF;8                          7  17-SEP-2006 14:50 = [TCPIP$SNMP]SMSCAGENT_TEMPLATE.CNF;5                        7  12-APR-2005 13:16 = [SYS$STARTUP]SNMP_OPCOM_SHUTDOWN.COM;5                      3  12-APR-2005 13:16 = [SYS$STARTUP]SNMP_OPCOM_STARTUP.COM;5                       3  12-APR-2005 13:16 = [SYS$STARTUP]SNMP_SETUP.COM;5                               4  12-APR-2005 13:16 = [SYSEXE]OPCOMAGENT.EXE;5                                 1422  8-JUN-2006 10:24= [SYSEXE]TCPIP$SSH_SSH-AGENT2.EXE;1                       5189  19-MAY-2005 12:49    Total of 15 files, 6684 blocks End of save set     + DE01:SYSTEM> backup /list FILE1.BCK;28 /sav  Listing of save set(s)   Save set:          FILE1.BCK Written by:        SYSTEM " UIC:               [000001,000004]* Date:              18-SEP-2006 15:53:37.18* Command:           BACKUP/IGNORE=INTERLOCK% SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$SNMP]TCPIP$SNMP_ P CONF.DAT;0,SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$SNMP]LOGIN.COM;0,SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$SNMP]*.CNF2 ;0,SYS$STARTUP:SNMP_*.COM;0,SNMP_EXE:*AGENT*.EXE;0 BCK$ROOT:[STORE]FILE1.BCK/SAV - Operating system:  OpenVMS Alpha version V7.3  BACKUP version:    AXP72R001 CPU ID register:   80000000  Node name:         _NODE01:: Written on:        _$1$DGA100: Block size:        32256 Group size:        10  Buffer count:      252  = [TCPIP$SNMP]TCPIP$SNMP_CONF.DAT;55                          6  18-SEP-2006 15:09 = [TCPIP$SNMP]LOGIN.COM;1                                     1  1-AUG-2006 11:14= [TCPIP$SNMP]OPCOMAGENT_NODE01.CNF;6                         7  3-SEP-2006 11:19= [TCPIP$SNMP]OPCOMAGENT_NODE02.CNF;6                         7  3-SEP-2006 11:28= [TCPIP$SNMP]OPCOMAGENT_NODE03.CNF;6                         7  3-SEP-2006 11:29= [TCPIP$SNMP]OPCOMAGENT_TEMPLATE.CNF;5                       7  12-APR-2005 13:16 = [TCPIP$SNMP]SMSCAGENT_NODE01.CNF;9                          7  17-SEP-2006 14:48 = [TCPIP$SNMP]SMSCAGENT_NODE02.CNF;8                          7  17-SEP-2006 14:48 = [TCPIP$SNMP]SMSCAGENT_NODE03.CNF;8                          7  17-SEP-2006 14:50 = [TCPIP$SNMP]SMSCAGENT_TEMPLATE.CNF;5                        7  12-APR-2005 13:16 = [SYS$STARTUP]SNMP_OPCOM_SHUTDOWN.COM;5                      3  12-APR-2005 13:16 = [SYS$STARTUP]SNMP_OPCOM_STARTUP.COM;5                       3  12-APR-2005 13:16 = [SYS$STARTUP]SNMP_SETUP.COM;5                               4  12-APR-2005 13:16 = [SYSEXE]OPCOMAGENT.EXE;5                                 1422  8-JUN-2006 10:24= [SYSEXE]TCPIP$SSH_SSH-AGENT2.EXE;1                       5189  19-MAY-2005 12:49    Total of 15 files, 6684 blocks End of save set   B If you have any ideas, why this is happening, please, let me know,G because it is driving me crazy already. First I thought that there is a @ bug in the scripts, but I am quite sure, that are no more BACKUPG processes running simultaneously. But the newer version save set is two ? seconds older (when doing just a DIR /DATE command in the STORE & directory). Thanks a lot for any help.   Best regards Jiri   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:59:54 -0500 3 From: "Peter Weaver" <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca> , Subject: Re: Interesting problem with BACKUP6 Message-ID: <094901c71e06$90e67d50$2802a8c0@CHARONVAX>   >...F > The problem is that there are more versions of the same save sets inI > the temporary directory. Here is the list of two versions of one of the  >...  I Do a DIR/FILE_ID on the directory and see if the file ID's are the same.  A Maybe someone slipped a SET FILE/ENTER into the script somewhere?    Peter Weaver www.weaverconsulting.ca 8 CHARON-VAX  CHARON-AXP DataStream Reflection PreciseMail   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:59:01 -0000 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>3 Subject: Re: Managed vs unmanaged switch in cluster , Message-ID: <elluh5$onv$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  3 "Dan Foster" <usenet@evilphb.org> wrote in message  / news:slrnenlmtd.5bi.usenet@zappy.catbert.org...   J > The latency before forwarding is extremely low, and I think somewhere on > the order of microseconds?  G No, it can be up to approximately (1500 * 8) / 10 microseconds, so more M than a millsecond. I doubt that bulk transfers are going to be very sensitive I to the increased latency, although something like lock remastering might.   G >Depending on the switch and implementation,  may start to transmit the ) >frame before it's finished receiving it.   E Cut through switches went out of fashion when 100Mbit switches became K popular: when you are switching traffic between ports at dissimilar speeds,  you need to buffer anyway.  E However, the good news is that forwarding the data at 100Mbit/s is so G much faster than sending it at 10Mbit/s, that you aren't increasing the G overall latency significantly moving from a flat 10 to a bridged 10/100  anyway.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:29:23 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 3 Subject: Re: Managed vs unmanaged switch in cluster 8 Message-ID: <3903d$457e8499$cef8887a$31702@TEKSAVVY.COM>  I Thanks for your feedback. I think I have decided to go for an EBAY CISCO  I used switch of 1 generation back. There are plenty on sale and they have  J plenty of management features I can play and learn. Knowing the basics of ) Cisco IOS is a good thing to put on a CV.   I The trick will be to physically install and configure it and then switch  J the wires from the hub to the switch without causing the cluster nodes to 	 crash :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:01:46 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>3 Subject: Re: Managed vs unmanaged switch in cluster ) Message-ID: <elmcod$2nvi$1@pyrite.mv.net>    JF Mezei wrote: H > Right now, my cluster is on a 10mbps hub. Time to upgrade. (and I ned  > more ports). > G > However, the affordable switches are all unmanaged and offer no port  H > mirroring capabilities. (aka: ethermon becomes useless when trying to  > debug network problems). > E > Also, my netgear box with a built-in unmanaged switch has shown it  K > doesn't handle cluster traffic 100% properly. Since low end switches are  K > designed for the PC market, I am a little weary of buying those consumer    > brands like d-link or linksys. > G > In practice, is the loss of ethermon capabilities with use of a dumb   > switch an issue ?  > J > Would I be better off buying an older used Cisco switch with management K > capbilities (also gives me experience on Cisco's IOS), or is buying just  + > any cheap switch brand new still better ?  > F > (I don't need gigabit speeds, since as far as I know, HP hasn't yet J > produced a q-bus gigabit ethernet adaptor for my VAXes...) ajnd even on B > the alphas, it is 100mbps with the built-in ethernet adaptors.). > D > Also, in terms of speeds, since a switch is store-and-forward and K > introduces a latency in packet delivery, is that significant in terms of  9 > clustering and most notably MSCP access over ethernet ?   )    Buy the best that you can afford.  :-)   F    If you are currently running a 10Base switch and if you are asking E this question, an unmanaged 10/100 switch will likely work just fine  I with OpenVMS VAX, Alpha and Integrity systems.  And they're cheap.  Been  3 running these for many years in many installations.   F    Managed switches are certainly nicer and definitely useful in more A complex networks, and the entry-level models start under US$300.  G They're particularly nice when you're working on the network remotely.  ? I see a managed GbE switch offered at US$240, though I have no   experience with it.   C    If you are having regular network problems, you may want to get  I somebody in to look at the network and the hardware.  The usual triggers  C are crappy cables, in my experience.  (I've met folks that dropped  I moderate to big bucks into the switch and the core network hardware, and  H then purchase Garbage brand (tm) cables, or kept using cables that were G long past replacement, or were using Cat 3 cabling and/or equivalently  I ancient wiring.  Did have an ancient Mr Cheap brand (tm) 10/100 hub that  H tended to lock up every month or two when the power glitched, but newer   giblets are far more reliable..)  ?    The other option is to skip a few generations of networking  G technology and add an AP (for those boxes that lack wireless NICs) and   implement a wireless network.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 04:44:45 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: Memory error on a 3100-407 Message-ID: <d4c28$457e7a22$cef8887a$8583@TEKSAVVY.COM>    tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote: G > I thought maybe it was the 4meg simms, but I get the above regardless D > if the simms are in or out. Is it time to replace the motherboard?  L Note that these boards have a built-in 4meg of RAM. This ram is "disusered" @ when you add boards that total to 32 meg, the machine's maximum.  L (This aopplies to the 3100-30 and 40 VAXSTATIONS, you didn,t mention if you H had a VAXSTATION 3100 or MICROVAX 3100 , both are very different beasts.  D > If its time to replace the motherboard does anybody have a 3100-40  > motherboard around for cheap??  J "For cheap" depends on where you are. Shipping is the costlier portion of  these things :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:58:04 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> & Subject: Re: Memory error on a 3100-409 Message-ID: <woqdnc2vNt34TOPYnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@libcom.com>    JF Mezei wrote: ! > tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote: H >> I thought maybe it was the 4meg simms, but I get the above regardlessE >> if the simms are in or out. Is it time to replace the motherboard?  > B > Note that these boards have a built-in 4meg of RAM. This ram is F > "disusered" when you add boards that total to 32 meg, the machine's 
 > maximum. > J > (This aopplies to the 3100-30 and 40 VAXSTATIONS, you didn,t mention if G > you had a VAXSTATION 3100 or MICROVAX 3100 , both are very different  	 > beasts.  > E >> If its time to replace the motherboard does anybody have a 3100-40 ! >> motherboard around for cheap??  > I > "For cheap" depends on where you are. Shipping is the costlier portion   > of these things :-)   G VAXstation 3100 systems don't use SIMMs.  This must be a MicroVAX 3100  	 model 40.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:12:26 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>& Subject: Re: Memory error on a 3100-40) Message-ID: <elmrec$2s8k$1@pyrite.mv.net>    tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote: + > I started getting this error on a 3100-40  > KA45-A V1.4-38D-V4.2  /    KA45-A is the MicroVAX 3100 model 40 series.    > 08-00-2B-3E-96-C8 & > 8MB <-------- IT USE TO SHOW 32 MEGS > ?? 001 5 MEM 0064  >  >>>> SHO MEM > MEM_TOP = 00800000 > MEM_BOT = 00000000 >  > MEM_NOT_AVAIL  > 007C3400:007FFFFF   I    I'd re-seat the memory, try swapping the sticks one at a time, and I'd 6 then look to replace the MS44L-BA series (8MB) sticks.  <    There's 8MB on the motherboard, and each MS44L-BA is 8MB.  G > I thought maybe it was the 4meg simms, but I get the above regardless D > if the simms are in or out. Is it time to replace the motherboard?D > If its time to replace the motherboard does anybody have a 3100-40  > motherboard around for cheap??  H    Should you decide to replace it and unless you really need or really C want a MicroVAX, I'd replace it with an Alpha-series box.  I would  G likely not perform a motherboard replacement -- sure, that's fun, it's  I not all that difficult, and you'll get to mess around with the hardware.  I   But when you set the screwdriver down, you'll still have a decade-old+  I and slow MicroVAX 3100 series box, and with a board and other components   that are getting stale.   . http://deathrow.vistech.net/~cvisors/DEC94MDS/7 h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/SOC/QB005JPF.PDF   D    The folks over at Nemonix Engineering are running a depot repair G service, FWIW, and a reconstitution or refresh or re-instantiation (or  G whatever they call it) service for old VAX boxes.  Maybe more than you  D want to spend, given the prices on AlphaServer DS10L and other such I boxes, but it's an option if you really need/want that old MicroVAX.  (I  D have no experience with this refresh service and have no particular H connection with Nemonix, though they've been involved in the VAX market  seemingly forever.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:02:49 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Re: PATCH on Alpha and Itanium 8 Message-ID: <769f2$457e9a7e$cef8887a$13592@TEKSAVVY.COM>   Guy Peleg wrote:K >> OpenVMS Itanium.  I could really use a PATCH for V7.* Alpha.  Any chance  >> it will be back-ported?  N > I made only few changes. Knowing HP you'll need to provide a strong businessD > case to justify a backport...upgrading your O/S must be easier ;-)    = What are the odds that patch.exe from 8.3 would work on 7.2 ?   G Since in Alpha, PATCH would be used in the /ABSOLUTE mode, does the OS   version really matter ?   D Is there a way to patch the patch.exe so that it is OK with earlier @ versions of shareable images if it doesn't work out of the box ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:38:34 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG' Subject: Re: PATCH on Alpha and Itanium 0 Message-ID: <00A60151.5F853340@SendSpamHere.ORG>  h In article <769f2$457e9a7e$cef8887a$13592@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >  >  >Guy Peleg wrote: L >>> OpenVMS Itanium.  I could really use a PATCH for V7.* Alpha.  Any chance >>> it will be back-ported?  > O >> I made only few changes. Knowing HP you'll need to provide a strong business E >> case to justify a backport...upgrading your O/S must be easier ;-)  >  > > >What are the odds that patch.exe from 8.3 would work on 7.2 ?  $ It doesn't.  It does worn on V7.3-1.     --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:44:05 -0500  From: norm.raphael@metso.com' Subject: Re: PATCH on Alpha and Itanium Q Message-ID: <OFD5B37DCF.DF6C5F76-ON85257242.004B3125-85257242.004B728A@metso.com>   H JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote on 12/12/2006 07:02:49 AM:   > Guy Peleg wrote:F > >> OpenVMS Itanium.  I could really use a PATCH for V7.* Alpha.  Any chance > >> it will be back-ported? > G > > I made only few changes. Knowing HP you'll need to provide a strong  businessF > > case to justify a backport...upgrading your O/S must be easier ;-) >  > ? > What are the odds that patch.exe from 8.3 would work on 7.2 ?  > H > Since in Alpha, PATCH would be used in the /ABSOLUTE mode, does the OS > version really matter ?  > E > Is there a way to patch the patch.exe so that it is OK with earlier B > versions of shareable images if it doesn't work out of the box ?  H I have a VESTed version of patch (that I got from a note here, some time ago)% that works on ALPHA in Absolute mode.   J [I use it to patch a bit as needed in my DB files occasionally.]  Mine has a  MODIFIED date in 1999.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:03:12 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>' Subject: Re: PATCH on Alpha and Itanium ) Message-ID: <elmcr1$2nvi$2@pyrite.mv.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Guy Peleg wrote:L >>> OpenVMS Itanium.  I could really use a PATCH for V7.* Alpha.  Any chance >>> it will be back-ported?  > G >> I made only few changes. Knowing HP you'll need to provide a strong   >> business E >> case to justify a backport...upgrading your O/S must be easier ;-)  >  > ? > What are the odds that patch.exe from 8.3 would work on 7.2 ?  > I > Since in Alpha, PATCH would be used in the /ABSOLUTE mode, does the OS   > version really matter ?  > F > Is there a way to patch the patch.exe so that it is OK with earlier B > versions of shareable images if it doesn't work out of the box ?    G    If you're hacking around, see the discussion of patching in the FAQ.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:12:00 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>' Subject: Re: PATCH on Alpha and Itanium 1 Message-ID: <4Fzfh.3505$TG1.779@news.cpqcorp.net>     VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  & > It doesn't.  It does worn on V7.3-1. >  >   I You haven't said how it "doesn't work".  I'll guess sharable image ident   mismatches, right?  H Well, I'll also guess that PATCH really doesn't use any "new" RTL entry D points added between V7.2 and V7.3-1 but the underlying RTLs bumped D their GSMATCH (don't get me started on people who don't use GSMATCH  correctly!).  H So on your V7.3-1 system, use PATCH/ABSOLUTE on a copy of itself.  Find F the sharable image GSMATCHes in the image (use ANAL/IMAGE to help you F find them).  Using PATCH/ABSOLUTE, change the required GSMATCHes.  It  should then run on V7.2.  L Of course this is all a guess, but seems faster than waiting for a backport.   --   John Reagan 5 HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO/COBOL for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:07:48 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>! Subject: Re: Saved NVRAM/TOY file ) Message-ID: <elm9j8$2n2m$1@pyrite.mv.net>   
 Camiel wrote:   D > I'm trying to figure out the layout of data in the NVRAM / last 50B > bytes of TOY memory on a DS20. Could anyone help me by using theB > "save_nvram srm" and "save_nvram toy"  commands, and mailing theF > resulting files to me? This data from a DS20 would be most useful toI > me, but data from another system would be welcome to, as I don't expect  > this to have changed a lot.     H    Within OpenVMS (and depending on what you are up to here), there are A various symbolic offsets for the nvram in the system definitions  G library.  Look for the substring TOY or NVR within the symbols.  These  G for the pieces that OpenVMS (overtly) uses.  (And if you don't have an  E OpenVMS box handy, these libraries are accessible via the eisner and   deathrow systems.)  G    The nvram has the bb_watch (toy), environment variables, and system  G configuration information, and the console code.  The nvram is as much  D as 8KB IIRC, and all sorts of stuff can be in found there up to and G including a console of your choosing, so I'm not sure what you mean by  1 "TOY memory" nor what you might be looking to do.   F    There are some manuals around for the AlphaPC 164 series SBC IIRC, H that have some details.  Google for "164 srm nvram site:digital.com" as  a start.  $    Followups have been set to c.o.v.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:40:54 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> E Subject: RE: Splitting console output between PCM and console printer T Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401ED06FB@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----3 > From: WWWebb [mailto:William.W.Webb@gmail.com]=20 ! > Sent: December 11, 2006 3:38 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com C > Subject: Splitting console output between PCM and console printer  >=20G > One of my colleagues is migrating in some AlphaServer 1200s where the A > on-site folks are used to getting their console output on paper  >=20D > (I'm not sure whether LA120s or DECwriter IIIs are involved, but I4 > haven't thought of either one in Quite Some Time.) >=20B > Our in-house standard involves the use of serial consoles and=20 > Unicenter  > TNG Console Manager. >=20 > The question at hand is: >=20E > Can we set up TNG and still give them the paper with which they are  > comfortable? >=20G > I suspect it's doable, and that one of y'all has done it, gotchas and  > all. >=20 > Thanks in advance, >=20 > WWWebb >=20  = Since you are already using soft copy console, here are a few  considerations: ? - soft copy to external secure console manager that is saved to H redundant disk (HBVS or RAID) and is backed up daily and archived as anyH critical file is what auditors typically like to see since paper can get/ jammed, ink dry up or run out, lose output etc. D - by ext console manager that is secure, I mean that the contents ofA thew console log file on that external manager are not edittable. E - daily print-out can be done on nicely formatted double sided report = from ext console manager if that group wants daily hard copy. G - you can also print daily report to PDF file and give that to group if # they want to search etc for events. E - if they are concerned about security, ext console manager is better F because you can set up the console manager to look for specific eventsH (halt, audit stuff etc) and escalate (page, email, beep etc) as required immediately.F - make Greenpeace and IT Mgr happy and save a few tree's and $'s spentG on paper. If in a cluster, then many pages are printed with normal info 	 messages.    :-)    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2006 10:41:42 -0800) From: "WWWebb" <William.W.Webb@gmail.com> E Subject: Re: Splitting console output between PCM and console printer C Message-ID: <1165948902.437624.301420@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   # Island Computers, D B Turner wrote: ? > Get a VT525 (we have them) and an LA30N-CA Dot Matrix Printer M > You can set it to autoprint and you have the identical output as the LA120.  >  >  > DT >  > -- > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St  > Savannah GA 31404  > Tel: 912 447 6622 x201% > Mail: dturner-atnospam-islandco-com ' > (You know what to do with the dashes)   - That doesn't address the Unicenter TNG issue.    WWWebb  6 > "WWWebb" <William.W.Webb@gmail.com> wrote in message> > news:1165869473.316027.161280@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...I > > One of my colleagues is migrating in some AlphaServer 1200s where the C > > on-site folks are used to getting their console output on paper  > > F > > (I'm not sure whether LA120s or DECwriter IIIs are involved, but I6 > > haven't thought of either one in Quite Some Time.) > > K > > Our in-house standard involves the use of serial consoles and Unicenter  > > TNG Console Manager. > >  > > The question at hand is: > > G > > Can we set up TNG and still give them the paper with which they are  > > comfortable? > > I > > I suspect it's doable, and that one of y'all has done it, gotchas and  > > all. > >  > > Thanks in advance, > > 
 > > WWWebb > >    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Dec 2006 23:42:09 -08001 From: "Bart.Zorn@gmail.com" <Bart.Zorn@gmail.com> 2 Subject: Re: sys v0600 patch for openvms 8.2 alphaB Message-ID: <1165909329.767266.219010@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>  D Update 5 was released only a week ago. Sometimes HP is fast, but not
 that fast!  	 Bart Zorn    Jerry Alan Braga wrote: L > I was told by oracle today that a patch I need from them requires this vmsM > patch but the itrc does not list it anywhere.  Does anyone have any ideas ?    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:44:59 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk' Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic , Message-ID: <elmmab$39b$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  f In article <457DF510.FE28AA2A@spam.comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> writes: >Ian Miller wrote: >>   >> David J Dachtera wrote: >> .... R >> > O.k. So, Cerner is dropping VMS in favor of HP-UX because of the whole OracleT >> > thing. Fair enough. No one's got the balls to turn up the heat under Oracle, so >> > that's going nowhere. >>  8 >> Can you point at a reference for Cerner dropping VMS? > K >The following excerpt is from a message that was posted to one of Cerner's C >listservs by Tim Erdel of Cerner on Wed 11/29/2006 circa. 2:58 PM:  >  ><quote>H >As for VMS / Integrity, all of our resources have been focused on HP-UXC >in the past year, again to provide existing VMS / Alpha clients an 
 >option.    M Which given the fact that Oracle for VMS on IA64 was not available until very H shortly before the deadline for last Alpha sales was eminently sensible.    8 >As stated at the health conference, we will continue toF >evaluate the possibility of porting to VMS / Integrity, but as of now, >it's not an option and not being worked on. >   N Again given the short period Oracle for VMS on IA64 has now been available it A isn't really surprising that as of now it is not being worked on. M Whether it will be worked on I would suggest would in large part depend upon   cerner's customers.   
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   >Tim	 ></quote>  > A >(I sent Ian the complete text of Tim Erdel's message privately.)  > O >It's interesting to note that I was told Cerner's biggest HP-UX capable I64 is 9 >an 8-CPU Integrity machine. Dunno if that's true or not.  >  >--  >David J Dachtera  >dba DJE Systems >http://www.djesys.com/  > ' >Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page " >http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ > ) >Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:   >http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ > # >Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:   >http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ > * >Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:# >http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.683 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              