1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 13 Dec 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 684       Contents: Anyone do home robotics? Re: Bad Shadow set member  Re: Bad Shadow set member 1 Re: Beep pattern on almost dead Alpha meaningful? . Re: Can you emulate openvms on x86 windows XP? Re: DEC 3000/400 problems ! Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium ! Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium ! Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium ! Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium ! Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium ! Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium ! Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium # Re: Interesting problem with BACKUP # Re: Interesting problem with BACKUP  Re: Novice's questions Re: PATCH on Alpha and Itanium' Run image from sumitted batch procedure + Re: Run image from sumitted batch procedure + Re: Run image from sumitted batch procedure " Re: Standalone vs a regular backup Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:26:56 -0500 > From: "Island Computers, D B Turner" <dturner-at-islandco.com>! Subject: Anyone do home robotics? 0 Message-ID: <12nu7lu5dlnsm02@news.supernews.com>  . We are junking loads of Tape Robotic libraries Loads of motors - stepping etc  3 If anyone is interested we're dumping them tomorrow    House cleaning time !    DT   --   Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 x201# Mail: dturner-atnospam-islandco-com % (You know what to do with the dashes)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:11:04 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>" Subject: Re: Bad Shadow set member0 Message-ID: <4u9298F15up0vU1@mid.individual.net>  ( On 12/11/2006 7:58 PM, Tom Linden wrote:4 > On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:07:26 -0800, Ken Fairfield % [big snip on mounting shadow sets...]  > % > Any chance you could post the code?   B I'd be happy to, but that was a previous employer...  I'll contactB a colleague there and see if he can send a copy along for posting, but no promises.   	-Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:44:43 -0800 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>" Subject: Re: Bad Shadow set member) Message-ID: <op.tkg5sthntte90l@hyrrokkin>   L On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:11:04 -0800, Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>   wrote:  * > On 12/11/2006 7:58 PM, Tom Linden wrote:4 >> On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:07:26 -0800, Ken Fairfield' > [big snip on mounting shadow sets...] ' >>  Any chance you could post the code?  > D > I'd be happy to, but that was a previous employer...  I'll contactD > a colleague there and see if he can send a copy along for posting, > but no promises.  E Thanks.  BTW, I am having a new drive overnighted to me.  Anything in G particular I need to pay attention to when adding it?  I presume I need  to INIT first? >  > 	-Ken        --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:00:06 -0500 > From: "Island Computers, D B Turner" <dturner-at-islandco.com>: Subject: Re: Beep pattern on almost dead Alpha meaningful?0 Message-ID: <12nu2j77aoh6i28@news.supernews.com>  * That pricing is for the DS10L not the DS10A The DS10L has one open PCI SLot and the DS10 has 4 open PCI slots   ) There is a very large difference in price    DT   --   Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 x201# Mail: dturner-atnospam-islandco-com % (You know what to do with the dashes) 2 "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote in message; news:1165947983.026666.5420@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com... E > My hardware guy was just talking about calling you.  I told him you I > were probably monitoring my posts.  We have about given up this 400 for  > dead.  > I > I wonder about the license paks.   Will the ones we bought with the 400  > cover that DS10? > , > I just don't recall if we have tried that. >  > % > Island Computers, D B Turner wrote:  > > TIme to buy a cheap DS10L  > > ' > > We have them configured as follows:  > >  > > DS10L EV6 466Mhz > > 256MB Memory > > 30GB IDE Disk 	 > > No CD  > > Dual Ethernet 10/100 > >  > > Total $189 each + shipping > >  > > -- > > Island Computers US Corp > > 2700 Gregory St  > > Savannah GA 31404  > > Tel: 912 447 6622 x201' > > Mail: dturner-atnospam-islandco-com ) > > (You know what to do with the dashes) 6 > > "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote in message@ > > news:1165927909.047456.201480@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...L > > > When I power up this AlphaStation 400 4/233, the disk and cd lights upJ > > > for a few seconds then everything goes dead.   When I hit the rebootG > > > button, the Alpha responds with 3 beeps, pause, 2 beeps, pause, 4 D > > > beeps.  Does this mean anything diagnostic?  Or, is it just anD > > > alternative answer to the question of life, the universe,  and > > > everything?  > > >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2006 13:30:22 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 7 Subject: Re: Can you emulate openvms on x86 windows XP? 3 Message-ID: <V4j$sIri5glG@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <1165639969.845284.113570@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, jfredricks@gmail.com writes:  E > Is it possible to emulate openvms on x86 windows XP? If so where is $ > some free or demo software to use?  C    Not directly.  You can emulate the hardware VMS runs on and that     emulation will run real VMS.   &    Just Google for SIMH or Charon-VAX.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2006 13:32:15 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) " Subject: Re: DEC 3000/400 problems3 Message-ID: <HBHAemZ7eMAa@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <1165674973.928960.238170@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>, alexandre.laguejacques@gmail.com writes:  > D > I can obtain a replacement power supply (part H7816-AA) for aroundI > $150.  While I do find this expensive for a hobbyist system, I could at G > least consider it if I knew that the motherboard hadn't been fried by " > the malfunctioning power supply.  9    Try cleaning the air sensor switch near the fan first.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2006 13:25:20 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium3 Message-ID: <gS4JdLHgLKdA@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <op.tj9uegmftte90l@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> writes:   > H > As it turns out, studying the IBM papers on this, they use an encodingJ > techniques which gives them two additional digits of accuracy to 33, butI > when the computations are performed they convert to packed decimal, bcd H > format.  My own feeling is that if they add this as a new data type inB > C, for example, it would make C viable to be used in financial   > applications.   G    Cool, then I could send my bank an ill-formatted email and adjust my     balance.    8-)   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2006 13:27:46 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium3 Message-ID: <Uaw1TFeECtM5@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <457e0505$0$49202$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes: > Bob Koehler wrote:t >> In article <457a2f58$0$49195$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:H >>> decimal is actually a builtin type in the newest "big" language: C#. >>  F >>    New?  I'm quite sure that thing has been around, not gaining any& >>    foothold, for over a decade now. > 8 > .NET 1.0 with C# 1.0 were released in non beta in 2002: > that is 4 years ago (the first beta was in 2000 though).  &    .NET was not the first time for C#.   7 > I am no aware of any newer languages which are widely  > used.  > C > And yes - it is widely used. At most job sites it either #2 or #3 ? > language (Java is usually #1 and C/C++ competes with C# about 
 > second).  F    Most of what kind of job sites?  Nobody around here uses it at all.:    I know of other industries where it is not in wide use.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:44:47 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> * Subject: Re: IEEE Decimal Float on ItaniumJ Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-1BC03D.22444712122006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  3 In article <Pi5p1ioEMU5s@eisner.encompasserve.org>, /  Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:   6 > In article <po$jeCOUt6+d@eisner.encompasserve.org>, ? > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: L > > In article <1165730356.936089.246350@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>, "Bob * > > Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com> writes: > >>  J > >> I too have used binary integers for years in such situations, becauseD > >> in most cases that I have encountered, the scaling was known inJ > >> advance. This is, in effect, using integer with an understood decimal > >> point.  > > K > >    We've done that for years on processors which had no floating point. G > >    You're just implementing fixed point by hand, which is fine.  Of F > >    course the folks who love PL/I will wonder why you bother to do > >    it by hand. > # > As will those of us who love Ada.  > H > I am not sure if there are any people on the newsgroup who love Cobol.  6 I'd pick COBOL in preference to C/C++ or Java any day.  G Particularly the VMS flavour of COBOL. If you ask it to sing, it might  * not include a tap dance, but it will sing.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Dec 2006 23:02:42 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)* Subject: Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium0 Message-ID: <4u8qoiF172nukU2@mid.individual.net>  J In article <paul.sture.nospam-0D9420.22321112122006@mac.sture.homeip.net>,2 	Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes:< > In article <457EAFAD.4030603@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>,< >  Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org> wrote: > I >>    Alternatives: an implementation local code, RTL and/or OS and/or a  0 >> PALcode-like solution code, or compiler code. >>  K >>    Sure, a microprocessor addition/extension is interesting idea and an  ? >> interesting format.  But in reality, I'd use scaled integer.  > 	 > <cough>  > H > DEC had a CIS (Commercial Instruction Set) add on for PDP-11s some 30 B > years ago. It was there to support the (integer only) character  > arithmetic used by DIBOL.   C Actually, all the OS marketing literature I have from DEC lists CIS B as being for supporting COBOL.  The descriptions for DIBOL do  not mention it at all.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:40:01 -0800 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>* Subject: Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium) Message-ID: <op.tkg5kzq7tte90l@hyrrokkin>   0 On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:14:07 -0800, Paul Sture  % <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote:   5 > In article <gS4JdLHgLKdA@eisner.encompasserve.org>, ? >  koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:  > 9 >> In article <op.tj9uegmftte90l@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" " >> <tom@kednos-remove.com> writes: >> >> >K >> > As it turns out, studying the IBM papers on this, they use an encoding K >> > techniques which gives them two additional digits of accuracy to 33,    >> butJ >> > when the computations are performed they convert to packed decimal,   >> bcdK >> > format.  My own feeling is that if they add this as a new data type in C >> > C, for example, it would make C viable to be used in financial  >> > applications. >>J >>    Cool, then I could send my bank an ill-formatted email and adjust my >>    balance.    8-)  > I > That reminds me of the story (possibly urban legend) of the wealthy guy H > who, on learning that his bank was moving to Unix, moved all his funds' > except for one dollar somewhere else.   J I have online accounts at 4 different banks.  I decided the other day to   see K what they were running, and to my chagrin three of them had Microsoft IIS    and J only BofA had sonething different, Sun-ONE-Web-Server/6.1  This would have1 been a great niched for VMS, running secure WASD.    >  > Why leave one dollar there?  > J > When the file system goes ape, that dollar might turn into a substantial	 > amount.  >        --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:17:27 -0500 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>* Subject: Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium7 Message-ID: <457f6252$0$49204$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>    Bob Koehler wrote:r > In article <457e0505$0$49202$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes: >> Bob Koehler wrote: u >>> In article <457a2f58$0$49195$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes: I >>>> decimal is actually a builtin type in the newest "big" language: C#. G >>>    New?  I'm quite sure that thing has been around, not gaining any ' >>>    foothold, for over a decade now. 9 >> .NET 1.0 with C# 1.0 were released in non beta in 2002 ; >> that is 4 years ago (the first beta was in 2000 though).  > ( >    .NET was not the first time for C#.   Not ?   $ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_Sharp  @ C# (see section on naming, pronunciation) is an object-oriented L programming language developed by Microsoft as part of their .NET initiative  I http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-ST/Ecma-334.pdf   : This International Standard is based on a submission from + Hewlett-Packard, Intel, and Microsoft, that F described a language called C#, which was developed within Microsoft.  The principal inventors of this F language were Anders Hejlsberg, Scott Wiltamuth, and Peter Golde. The  first widely distributedH implementation of C# was released by Microsoft in July 2000, as part of  its .NET Framework initiative.  8 >> I am no aware of any newer languages which are widely >> used. >>D >> And yes - it is widely used. At most job sites it either #2 or #3@ >> language (Java is usually #1 and C/C++ competes with C# about >> second).  > H >    Most of what kind of job sites?  Nobody around here uses it at all.< >    I know of other industries where it is not in wide use.  1 General job sites: www.monster.com, www.dice.com, 0 www.itjobwatch.co.uk and equivalent for Denmark.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 13:30:58 -0500 0 From: Chip Coldwell <coldwell@frank.harvard.edu>* Subject: Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium/ Message-ID: <rzp7ix34kyl.fsf@frank.harvard.edu>   , "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> writes:  - > Is this going to be implemented on Itanium?  > 4 > Looks like IBM has the lead on everyone (as usual)( > z/Architecture DECIMAL FLOATING-POINT	8 > http://publibfi.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/a2322320.pdf > & > http://www2.hursley.ibm.com/decimal/  C They've had that edge for decades, for all the good it's done them.    Chip   --   Charles M. "Chip" Coldwell Turn on, Log in, Tune out    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2006 10:56:13 -0800) From: "WWWebb" <William.W.Webb@gmail.com> , Subject: Re: Interesting problem with BACKUPC Message-ID: <1165949773.452377.177150@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Palda wrote: > Hi,  > C > I have an interesting problem with the BACKUP utility. I am using H > scripts running in batch for performing a backup. It backups data to aI > directory on hard drive to a temprary directory (e.g. BCK$ROOT:[STORE]) I > first and then it copies all the save sets from the temporary directory 4 > to a tape and then it deletes the processed files. > F > The problem is that there are more versions of the same save sets inI > the temporary directory. Here is the list of two versions of one of the D > save sets. I think the files are the same (also the time, when the > backup command was issued).: > - > DE01:SYSTEM> backup /list FILE1.BCK;27 /sav  > Listing of save set(s) >  > Save set:          FILE1.BCK > Written by:        SYSTEM $ > UIC:               [000001,000004], > Date:              18-SEP-2006 15:53:37.18, > Command:           BACKUP/IGNORE=INTERLOCK' > SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$SNMP]TCPIP$SNMP_ R > CONF.DAT;0,SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$SNMP]LOGIN.COM;0,SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$SNMP]*.CNF4 > ;0,SYS$STARTUP:SNMP_*.COM;0,SNMP_EXE:*AGENT*.EXE;0 > BCK$ROOT:[STORE]FILE1.BCK/SAV / > Operating system:  OpenVMS Alpha version V7.3  > BACKUP version:    AXP72R001 > CPU ID register:   80000000  > Node name:         _NODE01::  > Written on:        _$1$DGA100: > Block size:        32256 > Group size:        10  > Buffer count:      252 > ? > [TCPIP$SNMP]TCPIP$SNMP_CONF.DAT;55                          6  > 18-SEP-2006 15:09 ? > [TCPIP$SNMP]LOGIN.COM;1                                     1  > 1-AUG-2006 11:14? > [TCPIP$SNMP]OPCOMAGENT_NODE01.CNF;6                         7  > 3-SEP-2006 11:19? > [TCPIP$SNMP]OPCOMAGENT_NODE02.CNF;6                         7  > 3-SEP-2006 11:28? > [TCPIP$SNMP]OPCOMAGENT_NODE03.CNF;6                         7  > 3-SEP-2006 11:29? > [TCPIP$SNMP]OPCOMAGENT_TEMPLATE.CNF;5                       7  > 12-APR-2005 13:16 ? > [TCPIP$SNMP]SMSCAGENT_NODE01.CNF;9                          7  > 17-SEP-2006 14:48 ? > [TCPIP$SNMP]SMSCAGENT_NODE02.CNF;8                          7  > 17-SEP-2006 14:48 ? > [TCPIP$SNMP]SMSCAGENT_NODE03.CNF;8                          7  > 17-SEP-2006 14:50 ? > [TCPIP$SNMP]SMSCAGENT_TEMPLATE.CNF;5                        7  > 12-APR-2005 13:16 ? > [SYS$STARTUP]SNMP_OPCOM_SHUTDOWN.COM;5                      3  > 12-APR-2005 13:16 ? > [SYS$STARTUP]SNMP_OPCOM_STARTUP.COM;5                       3  > 12-APR-2005 13:16 ? > [SYS$STARTUP]SNMP_SETUP.COM;5                               4  > 12-APR-2005 13:16 ? > [SYSEXE]OPCOMAGENT.EXE;5                                 1422  > 8-JUN-2006 10:24? > [SYSEXE]TCPIP$SSH_SSH-AGENT2.EXE;1                       5189  > 19-MAY-2005 12:49  >   > Total of 15 files, 6684 blocks > End of save set  >  > - > DE01:SYSTEM> backup /list FILE1.BCK;28 /sav  > Listing of save set(s) >  > Save set:          FILE1.BCK > Written by:        SYSTEM $ > UIC:               [000001,000004], > Date:              18-SEP-2006 15:53:37.18, > Command:           BACKUP/IGNORE=INTERLOCK' > SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$SNMP]TCPIP$SNMP_ R > CONF.DAT;0,SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$SNMP]LOGIN.COM;0,SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$SNMP]*.CNF4 > ;0,SYS$STARTUP:SNMP_*.COM;0,SNMP_EXE:*AGENT*.EXE;0 > BCK$ROOT:[STORE]FILE1.BCK/SAV / > Operating system:  OpenVMS Alpha version V7.3  > BACKUP version:    AXP72R001 > CPU ID register:   80000000  > Node name:         _NODE01::  > Written on:        _$1$DGA100: > Block size:        32256 > Group size:        10  > Buffer count:      252 > ? > [TCPIP$SNMP]TCPIP$SNMP_CONF.DAT;55                          6  > 18-SEP-2006 15:09 ? > [TCPIP$SNMP]LOGIN.COM;1                                     1  > 1-AUG-2006 11:14? > [TCPIP$SNMP]OPCOMAGENT_NODE01.CNF;6                         7  > 3-SEP-2006 11:19? > [TCPIP$SNMP]OPCOMAGENT_NODE02.CNF;6                         7  > 3-SEP-2006 11:28? > [TCPIP$SNMP]OPCOMAGENT_NODE03.CNF;6                         7  > 3-SEP-2006 11:29? > [TCPIP$SNMP]OPCOMAGENT_TEMPLATE.CNF;5                       7  > 12-APR-2005 13:16 ? > [TCPIP$SNMP]SMSCAGENT_NODE01.CNF;9                          7  > 17-SEP-2006 14:48 ? > [TCPIP$SNMP]SMSCAGENT_NODE02.CNF;8                          7  > 17-SEP-2006 14:48 ? > [TCPIP$SNMP]SMSCAGENT_NODE03.CNF;8                          7  > 17-SEP-2006 14:50 ? > [TCPIP$SNMP]SMSCAGENT_TEMPLATE.CNF;5                        7  > 12-APR-2005 13:16 ? > [SYS$STARTUP]SNMP_OPCOM_SHUTDOWN.COM;5                      3  > 12-APR-2005 13:16 ? > [SYS$STARTUP]SNMP_OPCOM_STARTUP.COM;5                       3  > 12-APR-2005 13:16 ? > [SYS$STARTUP]SNMP_SETUP.COM;5                               4  > 12-APR-2005 13:16 ? > [SYSEXE]OPCOMAGENT.EXE;5                                 1422  > 8-JUN-2006 10:24? > [SYSEXE]TCPIP$SSH_SSH-AGENT2.EXE;1                       5189  > 19-MAY-2005 12:49  >   > Total of 15 files, 6684 blocks > End of save set  > D > If you have any ideas, why this is happening, please, let me know,I > because it is driving me crazy already. First I thought that there is a B > bug in the scripts, but I am quite sure, that are no more BACKUPI > processes running simultaneously. But the newer version save set is two A > seconds older (when doing just a DIR /DATE command in the STORE ( > directory). Thanks a lot for any help. >  > Best regards > Jiri   Let's see.  You're backing up   / SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$SNMP]TCPIP$SNMP_CONF.DAT;0 % SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$SNMP]LOGIN.COM;0 ! SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$SNMP]*.CNF;0  SYS$STARTUP:SNMP_*.COM;0 SNMP_EXE:*AGENT*.EXE;0  E By any chance is the number of savesets created each time you run the  procedure the same?   A Is it the same as the number of filespecs (as in 5) that you have * listed in the backup command (or is it 3)?  C Add a /LOG to your command procedure, it may shed more light on the  subject.   WWWebb   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:36:39 -0600 3 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> , Subject: Re: Interesting problem with BACKUP/ Message-ID: <457F6737.3E8D3B3@spam.comcast.net>    Palda wrote: >  > Hi,  > C > I have an interesting problem with the BACKUP utility. I am using H > scripts running in batch for performing a backup. It backups data to aI > directory on hard drive to a temprary directory (e.g. BCK$ROOT:[STORE]) I > first and then it copies all the save sets from the temporary directory 4 > to a tape and then it deletes the processed files. > F > The problem is that there are more versions of the same save sets inI > the temporary directory. Here is the list of two versions of one of the D > save sets. I think the files are the same (also the time, when the > backup command was issued).: > - > DE01:SYSTEM> backup /list FILE1.BCK;27 /sav  > Listing of save set(s) >  > Save set:          FILE1.BCK > Written by:        SYSTEM $ > UIC:               [000001,000004], > Date:              18-SEP-2006 15:53:37.18 > [snip]  > Total of 15 files, 6684 blocks > End of save set  > - > DE01:SYSTEM> backup /list FILE1.BCK;28 /sav  > Listing of save set(s) >  > Save set:          FILE1.BCK > Written by:        SYSTEM $ > UIC:               [000001,000004], > Date:              18-SEP-2006 15:53:37.18 > [snip]  > Total of 15 files, 6684 blocks > End of save set  > D > If you have any ideas, why this is happening, please, let me know,I > because it is driving me crazy already. First I thought that there is a B > bug in the scripts, but I am quite sure, that are no more BACKUPI > processes running simultaneously. But the newer version save set is two A > seconds older (when doing just a DIR /DATE command in the STORE ( > directory). Thanks a lot for any help.  J Well, very little here to go on, but first guess time is that something is making a COPY of the saveset.   " Can you post any of the following?  A - DIRECTORY/SIZE=ALL/DATE of the directory containing these files  - The backup procedure itself 
 - The job log    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2006 23:01:14 -0800  From: "MZN" <MikeZmn@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Novice's questions C Message-ID: <1165473436.757152.327140@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    """Jan-Erik Soderholm ():  """ B > And, since it's only (?) the comment lines (that are in a singleB > block at the start of the line) it's simple enought just to editA > them away before running the command file. The LICENSE commands  > it selfs are just fine, not ?    I deleted comments - no luck.  >  > Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2006 20:37:45 -0800< From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com>' Subject: Re: PATCH on Alpha and Itanium B Message-ID: <1165984665.552309.324670@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>   VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: H > PATCH is, at long last, available on new versions of OpenVMS Alpha andJ > OpenVMS Itanium.  I could really use a PATCH for V7.* Alpha.  Any chance > it will be back-ported?   C I asked Bryan the old standby question "what problem are you really  trying to solve".   D It turned out he had a cobol report file with an initial formfeed as
 requested by: &  WRITE x  FROM y AFTER ADVANCING PAGE.  A The following DCL script will nicely fix that particular problem:    $rfm = f$file (p1,"RFM") $rat = f$file (p1,"RAT") $mrs = f$file (p1,"MRS"): $if rfm.nes."VFC" .and. rat.nes."PRN" then exit %X0001860C# $set file 'p1'/attr=(rfm=var,mrs=0)  $open/read/write file 'p1  $read file record 1 $record[0,8] = 1 ! Clear pre-record print control   $write/update/symbol file record $close file ) $set file 'p1'/attr=(rfm='rfm',mrs='mrs')   F Of course, the need for PATCH/ABS remains, but not for this particular problem.D The best (performance) fix for this problem is of course a small RMS program.C An example of that is posted below, as is a sample cobol program to  produce sample data.   Cheers,  Hein.    #include <string>  #include <rms>D int sys$open(), sys$connect(), sys$get(), sys$update(), sys$close();   main(int argc, char *argv[]) {       struct FAB  fab;     struct RAB  rab;/     char header_buffer[2], record_buffer[4096]; 
     int s;       fab = cc$rms_fab;      fab.fab$l_fna = argv[1];$     fab.fab$b_fns = strlen(argv[1]);*     fab.fab$b_fac = FAB$M_UPD | FAB$M_GET;       rab = cc$rms_rab;      rab.rab$l_fab = &fab; "     rab.rab$l_ubf = record_buffer;"     rab.rab$l_rhb = header_buffer;+     rab.rab$w_usz = sizeof (record_buffer);        s = sys$open (&fab);(     if (( fab.fab$b_rfm != FAB$C_VFC) ||C         (!fab.fab$v_prn) || ( fab.fab$b_fsz != 2)) return RMS$_ORG; &     if (s & 1) s = sys$connect (&rab);"     if (s & 1) s = sys$get (&rab);/     header_buffer[0] = 1; /* clear pre-print */ &     if (s & 1) s = sys$update  (&rab);$     if (s & 1) s = sys$close (&fab);
     return s;  }        IDENTIFICATION DIVISION. PROGRAM-ID. prn-test.  ENVIRONMENT DIVISION.  INPUT-OUTPUT SECTION. 
 FILE-CONTROL. ,    SELECT MY-REPORT ASSIGN TO "report-file". DATA DIVISION.
 FILE SECTION. 
 FD MY-REPORT.  01 MY-PRINT-LINE PIC X(80).  WORKING-STORAGE SECTION.+ 01 LINE-1 PIC X(80) VALUE IS "First  line". + 01 LINE-2 PIC X(80) VALUE IS "Second line".  PROCEDURE DIVISION.  MY_MAIN SECTION. MAIN.      OPEN OUTPUT MY-REPORT.:     WRITE  MY-PRINT-LINE FROM LINE-1 AFTER ADVANCING PAGE.%     WRITE  MY-PRINT-LINE FROM LINE-2. 
     STOP RUN.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2006 12:19:39 -0800# From: "Bobby" <colemanr7@yahoo.com> 0 Subject: Run image from sumitted batch procedureB Message-ID: <1165954779.690987.224230@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>  G I have a batch procedure that executes an image file to do some things. F  If I run the batch job interactively from an account (say USER1) thenF everything goes as planned.  If, instead, I SUBMIT/AFTER=yy/USER=user1D the same procedure, everything works EXCEPT for the image execution.E Could it be starting but then getting killed before the procedure can F finish (i.e., the batch job process continuing rather than waiting for the .exe to finish?   % Any help/suggestions are appreciated.    Bobby    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:38:56 -0500  From: norm.raphael@metso.com4 Subject: Re: Run image from sumitted batch procedureQ Message-ID: <OF10C8883D.A7FCD292-ON85257242.00715256-85257242.00716DCC@metso.com>   H We need to see the batch log and the terminal session log, both with SET VERIFY. H Also, you may want to look at the accounting record for the batch job to see the termination # status, and show that here as well. > "Bobby" <colemanr7@yahoo.com> wrote on 12/12/2006 03:19:39 PM:  I > I have a batch procedure that executes an image file to do some things. H >  If I run the batch job interactively from an account (say USER1) thenH > everything goes as planned.  If, instead, I SUBMIT/AFTER=yy/USER=user1F > the same procedure, everything works EXCEPT for the image execution.G > Could it be starting but then getting killed before the procedure can H > finish (i.e., the batch job process continuing rather than waiting for > the .exe to finish?  > ' > Any help/suggestions are appreciated.  >  > Bobby  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:41:11 -0600 3 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> 4 Subject: Re: Run image from sumitted batch procedure0 Message-ID: <457F6847.876E2C33@spam.comcast.net>   Bobby wrote: > I > I have a batch procedure that executes an image file to do some things. H >  If I run the batch job interactively from an account (say USER1) thenH > everything goes as planned.  If, instead, I SUBMIT/AFTER=yy/USER=user1F > the same procedure, everything works EXCEPT for the image execution.G > Could it be starting but then getting killed before the procedure can H > finish (i.e., the batch job process continuing rather than waiting for > the .exe to finish?   / Well, not really enough here to hazard a guess.   M A possibly brash assumption on your part is that the batch process spawns the L image as a subprocess - only if you tell it to do so. MCR, RUN or invoking aL process by a symbol or DCL$PATH invokes that image "in line", in the currentN process, unlike UN*X-land where programs are run in a subprocess of the shell.  = Can you post the .COM file, or the job log (preferably both)?    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2006 13:22:58 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) + Subject: Re: Standalone vs a regular backup 3 Message-ID: <8xQrSMQLS3b+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <elcjcm$kvi$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: H > In article <GL-dnfVivsc1FuTYnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Richard B., > Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:  > L >> Your daily or weekly backups of the system disk should also be made with I >> /IMAGE if you expect to be able to boot the restored disk.  /IMAGE is  & >> not necessary for non-system disks. > J > I would say that /IMAGE is needed if you want an image.  While problems I > might be noticed less quickly on a non-system disk, they will still be  I > there, in particular the way alias entries are handled.  OK, you might  C > not have them on a non-system disk, but it is certainly possible.   G    I do all my full saves /IMAGE.  That way I can restore onto an empty B    drive without fear of loss of meta-data at any level, includingF    drive initialization parameters, aliases, and other data which justE    isn't stored as simple files.  For a little storage of that data I =    trade knowing that any aliased files are only stored once.   A    I do incrementals without /IMAGE.  There's no such thing as an     incremental image.   A    And I only use /PHYSICAL for my InfoServer 1000, which doesn't E    present its boot disk to VMS as having a file structure.  But then B    I've always backed it up to tape so I don't have to worry about    drive geometry.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:22:09 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic 8 Message-ID: <97c07$457f2ba7$cef8887a$17239@TEKSAVVY.COM>   John Reagan wrote:H >> Translation: "HP have told us not to bother. We're annoyed but unlessI >> HP reverses their plan to sunset VMS we have to bail out folks. By the , >> way did we mention we run nicely on IBM?" > H > Your translation is wrong in so many ways I don't know where to start.    J Since Cerner is a major core provider to the remaining installed based of L VMS, perhaps someone should spend the time to explain to us what exactly is K happening.  If VMS management has a positive spin on this, now is the time  H to give it to us in details. Otherwise the message (whether redflecting K reality of not) will be heard very loudly by the installed base: CERNER IS   ABANDONNING VMS.  H If VMS management chooses to remain silent on the issue, it can only be 3 interpreted by the public as the rumour being true.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:05:52 -0800 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>' Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic ) Message-ID: <op.tkg072cgtte90l@hyrrokkin>   B On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:54:45 -0800, <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:  D > Well, how about with all those wonderfull new itanics that will boG > just SO wonderfull in 2010. After a decade of how good it is going to ) > be, that tune has gone strangly silent.   E AMD is teamed with IBM and several others on what is called immersion F lithography, which they are developing for the 45 nm lines and on thatC same roadmap 33 and 22 nm lines follow.  Intel is sticking with its I current dry scanners.  Seems to me that they may not have either interest ) or resources to make Itanium competitive.    --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.684 ************************