1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 13 Dec 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 685       Contents:2 Alpha 8.3 BACKUP and bound volumes, size reporting< Re: Alpha 8.3 BACKUP and bound volumes, size reporting (bug)< Re: Alpha 8.3 BACKUP and bound volumes, size reporting (bug) Re: Anyone do home robotics? Re: Bad Shadow set member  Re: Bad Shadow set member  Re: Bad Shadow set member  Re: Bad Shadow set member 1 Re: Beep pattern on almost dead Alpha meaningful? 1 Re: Beep pattern on almost dead Alpha meaningful? 1 Re: Beep pattern on almost dead Alpha meaningful?  Re: DEC 3000/400 problems ! Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium # Re: Interesting problem with BACKUP * Re: Managed vs unmanaged switch in cluster) Re: OpenVMS Weekly Audio Update - Show #1 ) Re: OpenVMS Weekly Audio Update - Show #1  Re: PATCH on Alpha and Itanium Re: PATCH on Alpha and Itanium PLUG: txt2pdf 9.2  Re: PLUG: txt2pdf 9.2  Re: PLUG: txt2pdf 9.2 + Re: Run image from sumitted batch procedure + Re: Run image from sumitted batch procedure + Re: Run image from sumitted batch procedure + Re: Run image from sumitted batch procedure + Re: Run image from sumitted batch procedure + Re: Run image from sumitted batch procedure ; Re: VAX VMS 7.3,  ana/image running out of virtual memory ? @ Re: VAX VMS 7.3, ana/disk/repair running out of virtual memory ?: Re: VAX VMS 7.3, ana/image running out of virtual memory ?: Re: VAX VMS 7.3, ana/image running out of virtual memory ?+ VMS VERSION - V7.3-2, V8.2, V8.3 difference / Re: VMS VERSION - V7.3-2, V8.2, V8.3 difference / Re: VMS VERSION - V7.3-2, V8.2, V8.3 difference   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 06:56:58 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ; Subject: Alpha 8.3 BACKUP and bound volumes, size reporting 8 Message-ID: <36c39$457feaa3$cef8887a$14136@TEKSAVVY.COM>  
 Alpha VMS 8.3     K $ backup/list=disk2.list/image/ignore=(nobackup,interlock)/noalias $disk2:   $disk  4:[000000]disk2.save/save K %BACKUP-E-BADDIR, directory $DISK2:[APPLICATIONS.KERMIT] has invalid format M %BACKUP-E-BADDIR, directory $DISK2:[APPLICATIONS.MOSAIC41] has invalid format K BIKE::_FTA17: 06:32:28 BACKUP    CPU=00:01:51.43 PF=6943 IO=205964 MEM=1049 2   Last file scanned: $DISK2:[CMUIP066]CMUIP066.B;1;   Saveset volume:1, saveset block:12122 (32256 byte blocks) -   372.89MB saved out of 1.43GB, 25% completed >   Save rate: 496KB/sec, estimated completion time: 07:10:12.80O %BACKUP-E-BADDIR, directory $DISK2:[KITS.TEMP.DECW$DEFAULTS] has invalid format     B The bound volume set is 4 DSSI drives of 2 gigs. They are corrupt.  	 QUESTION:   J The new 8.3 displays at <ctrl-T> are very nice. But I need to know if the J 1.43gig being reported is just for the current physical drive, or if this " would be for the whole volume set.  J If it is the whole volume set, this backup is a waste of time since there " should be nearly 5-6 gigs of data.  * These disks are reported as 1.86 gigs big.  H Based on SHOW DEV/FULL and adding each of the drive's free block counts:      H The whole volume should have 5.9 gigs of data to backup, not the 1.43gb  reported by BAckup.   J Is this a quirk of Backup's reporting ? Or is it because Backup really is K only seeing 1.43 gigs of used data on the drive ? (with over 4 gigs lost ?)         K So the volume should have at least 5.9 gigs to backup, not the 1.43 Backup   reports.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2006 07:56:33 -0800 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.ukE Subject: Re: Alpha 8.3 BACKUP and bound volumes, size reporting (bug) C Message-ID: <1166025393.774216.102330@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   G Given your predicament, I don't think that you can really take anything F for granted - you've had four disks in a bound volume set which appear@ to have become corrupt, you've got backup reading a corrupt data! structure on disk into a saveset.   E I suspect the fundamental error wasn't VMS 7.3 on VAX but using bound B volume sets in the first place.  That doesn't do you much good now	 though...    Steve    JF Mezei wrote:  > OK, the backup has completed.  > J > Alpha VMS 8.3 , doing a BACKUP/IMAGE/IGNORE=(nobackup,interlock)/NOALIAS > of a bound volume set (ODS2).  > G > Pressing <ctrl-t> does produce the nice output of the current status.  > 
 > However: > J > The estimated total size to backup covers only the first physical volumeJ > of the bound set. And the expected completion time is based only on that > device's size. > H > Once it has backed up the originally expected amount, BACKUP continuesG > to huff and puff. However, <ctrl-T> reveals that it is 100% complete, H > and reports it has backed up 1.43gigs of 1.43 gigs (for instance). The8 > number of blocks written to the saveset does increase. > I > I was expecting it to at least say "backed up 3.5 gigs of 1.43 gigs, or B > 200%"  (aka: that the counter of how much it has backed up wouldN > continue to increase despite the original estimate of total size being off). >  > H > (this is for an interactiove backup sending the output to a disk based > save set.)   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2006 09:14:14 -0800 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.ukE Subject: Re: Alpha 8.3 BACKUP and bound volumes, size reporting (bug) A Message-ID: <1166030054.299445.79030@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>   > Maybe fundamental was a poor choice of word, but given that JFF complained on another thread that his problems were due to his upgrade to 7.3 it's not *that* poor.  G My take, overall, on bound volume sets is similar to that of Richard G. F - use them if you have to but they're risky things in some situations.G If one spindle goes, the volume is toast.  Their design, I would guess, F dates back to when disk storage was expensive.  These days, storage is cheap.   Steve    Roy Omond wrote: > etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote:  > > [...snip...] > > I > > I suspect the fundamental error wasn't VMS 7.3 on VAX but using bound F > > volume sets in the first place.  That doesn't do you much good now
 > > though...  >  > Steve, oh Steve ...  > D > how is using volume sets a "fundamental error"?  This is how mythsD > propagate.  I've been using volume sets for close to 25 years now,3 > and I've never been bitten by anything like this.  > 	 > Signed,  >  > Miffed of Tunbridge Wells.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:42:06 -0800 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> % Subject: Re: Anyone do home robotics? + Message-ID: <elpe1f$fee$1@naig.caltech.edu>   # Island Computers, D B Turner wrote: 0 > We are junking loads of Tape Robotic libraries  > Loads of motors - stepping etc > 5 > If anyone is interested we're dumping them tomorrow  >  > House cleaning time !   F Call around to the local high schools and junior colleges. They often F have robotics courses and would probably be happy to accept a pile of  motors, gears, and the like.   Regards,   David Mathog   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2006 05:16:41 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>" Subject: Re: Bad Shadow set memberC Message-ID: <1166015801.705989.267400@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:. > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> writes: > F > > Thanks.  BTW, I am having a new drive overnighted to me.  AnythingG > > in particular I need to pay attention to when adding it?  I presume  > > I need to INIT first?  > * > INIT/ERASE gets you a good speed up AIR.  C Why? The manual *does* recommend INIT/SHADOW optionally with /ERASE B when creating spanking brand new shadow sets, but says there is no7 advantage when adding a disk to an existing shadow set.    >  > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. B >                                              West Australia 6076, > comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot0 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H > EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   AEF    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2006 05:14:43 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>" Subject: Re: Bad Shadow set memberA Message-ID: <1166015683.082130.25740@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Tom Linden wrote: I > > Thanks.  BTW, I am having a new drive overnighted to me.  Anything in K > > particular I need to pay attention to when adding it?  I presume I need  > > to INIT first? >  > I > If not inited, it reduces the chances that the shadowing software might ' > decide to use that drive as a source.  > M > Also, when you first include the physical drive into the shadowset, eitther K > mount it into an existing shadowset, or ensure it is not the first device 2 > listed in the /SHADOW=(drive1,drive2,drive3,etc)  C If he just adds the disk with the system running and uses /CONFIRM,  that should be enough.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:53:25 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) " Subject: Re: Bad Shadow set member( Message-ID: <elp0kl$n7v$1@pcls6.std.com>   prep@prep.synonet.com writes:   - >"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> writes:   E >> Thanks.  BTW, I am having a new drive overnighted to me.  Anything F >> in particular I need to pay attention to when adding it?  I presume >> I need to INIT first?  ) >INIT/ERASE gets you a good speed up AIR.   G ...if the current members were also INIT/ERASEd and still largely empty < (or you have lots of blocks of binary zeroes in your files).  E Probably never a loss of time since INIT/ERASE is faster than a copy, 2 and there are likely many blocks of zeroes anyway.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2006 08:11:52 -0800 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk" Subject: Re: Bad Shadow set memberB Message-ID: <1166026312.613963.146340@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>  @ If it's any consolation, it's not the first time that I've heardC someone getting caught by this.  At a cluster I set up about 7 or 8 E years ago, the shadowsets were prevented from mounting if there was a A need to do a shadow copy by using the /NOCOPY qualifier.  Because F someone else shut the cluster down pre-1999-2000 transition and didn'tG get the disk dismounts right, the disks demanded a shadow copy or merge F when the team came back in on 2nd of January.  I ended up on the phoneF from my sick bed (I had flu) guiding my team leader through how to get& the systems back up and running again.  - I think he thought I'd sabotaged them on him!    Steve    Michael Moroney wrote: > prep@prep.synonet.com writes:  > / > >"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> writes:  > G > >> Thanks.  BTW, I am having a new drive overnighted to me.  Anything H > >> in particular I need to pay attention to when adding it?  I presume > >> I need to INIT first? > + > >INIT/ERASE gets you a good speed up AIR.  > I > ...if the current members were also INIT/ERASEd and still largely empty > > (or you have lots of blocks of binary zeroes in your files). > G > Probably never a loss of time since INIT/ERASE is faster than a copy, 4 > and there are likely many blocks of zeroes anyway.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2006 05:24:49 -0800' From: "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> : Subject: Re: Beep pattern on almost dead Alpha meaningful?B Message-ID: <1166016289.812017.151860@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Dan Foster wrote: j > In article <1165947983.026666.5420@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>, tadamsmar <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote: > > K > > I wonder about the license paks.   Will the ones we bought with the 400  > > cover that DS10? > . > I haven't looked at licensing in years, but: > 1 > http://licensing.hp.com/swl/view.slm?page=alpha  > D > Seems to suggest that the 400 and the DS10L has the same licensing > rating numbers.  >  > -Dan  % Thanks for pointing me to that table.   G But, according to the table, the AlphaStation 400 requires 12 OS units.    The DS10L requires 15.  : You were probably looking at the AlphaServer 400, I guess.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2006 05:30:58 -0800' From: "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> : Subject: Re: Beep pattern on almost dead Alpha meaningful?B Message-ID: <1166016658.636620.235880@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>  G We need 2 disks (for shadowing) and a tape drive and CD (or at least, I E don't know how to get by without them).  External components might be  OK.   % We have a couple of DS10s,  no DS10L.   E I guess a DS10L might work for us with the extra disk, tape drive and C CD added.  I am not sure how the price would compare with the DS10.     # Island Computers, D B Turner wrote: , > That pricing is for the DS10L not the DS10C > The DS10L has one open PCI SLot and the DS10 has 4 open PCI slots  > + > There is a very large difference in price  >  > DT >  > -- > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St  > Savannah GA 31404  > Tel: 912 447 6622 x201% > Mail: dturner-atnospam-islandco-com ' > (You know what to do with the dashes) 4 > "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote in message= > news:1165947983.026666.5420@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com... G > > My hardware guy was just talking about calling you.  I told him you K > > were probably monitoring my posts.  We have about given up this 400 for 	 > > dead.  > > K > > I wonder about the license paks.   Will the ones we bought with the 400  > > cover that DS10? > > . > > I just don't recall if we have tried that. > >  > > ' > > Island Computers, D B Turner wrote:  > > > TIme to buy a cheap DS10L  > > > ) > > > We have them configured as follows:  > > >  > > > DS10L EV6 466Mhz > > > 256MB Memory > > > 30GB IDE Disk  > > > No CD  > > > Dual Ethernet 10/100 > > >   > > > Total $189 each + shipping > > >  > > > -- > > > Island Computers US Corp > > > 2700 Gregory St  > > > Savannah GA 31404  > > > Tel: 912 447 6622 x201) > > > Mail: dturner-atnospam-islandco-com + > > > (You know what to do with the dashes) 8 > > > "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote in messageB > > > news:1165927909.047456.201480@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...N > > > > When I power up this AlphaStation 400 4/233, the disk and cd lights upL > > > > for a few seconds then everything goes dead.   When I hit the rebootI > > > > button, the Alpha responds with 3 beeps, pause, 2 beeps, pause, 4 F > > > > beeps.  Does this mean anything diagnostic?  Or, is it just anF > > > > alternative answer to the question of life, the universe,  and > > > > everything?  > > > >  > >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:46:19 -0600 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> : Subject: Re: Beep pattern on almost dead Alpha meaningful?5 Message-ID: <slrneo011a.5bi.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   i In article <1166016289.812017.151860@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, tadamsmar <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote:  >  > Dan Foster wrote: k >> In article <1165947983.026666.5420@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>, tadamsmar <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote:  >> >L >> > I wonder about the license paks.   Will the ones we bought with the 400 >> > cover that DS10?  >>/ >> I haven't looked at licensing in years, but:  >>2 >> http://licensing.hp.com/swl/view.slm?page=alpha >>E >> Seems to suggest that the 400 and the DS10L has the same licensing  >> rating numbers. >> >> -Dan  > ' > Thanks for pointing me to that table.  > I > But, according to the table, the AlphaStation 400 requires 12 OS units.  >   The DS10L requires 15. > < > You were probably looking at the AlphaServer 400, I guess.  : Whoops, yes, you're right. Back to Literacy 101 for me. ;)   -Dan   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2006 08:55:43 -0800& From: alexandre.laguejacques@gmail.com" Subject: Re: DEC 3000/400 problemsB Message-ID: <1166028943.876807.287760@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>  E I'm exposing myself to all sorts of ridicule by posing this question, E but what does the air sensor switch look like?  Unfortunately I don't @ have any documents that describe this component within the power supply!    Bob Koehler a =E9crit :   L > In article <1165674973.928960.238170@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>, alexan=" dre.laguejacques@gmail.com writes: > > F > > I can obtain a replacement power supply (part H7816-AA) for aroundK > > $150.  While I do find this expensive for a hobbyist system, I could at I > > least consider it if I knew that the motherboard hadn't been fried by $ > > the malfunctioning power supply. >=20; >    Try cleaning the air sensor switch near the fan first.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2006 07:43:10 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: Re: IEEE Decimal Float on Itanium3 Message-ID: <6TWaYdSWZ$ny@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <457f6252$0$49204$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:  ) > first widely distributed implementation       QED   > 3 > General job sites: www.monster.com, www.dice.com, 2 > www.itjobwatch.co.uk and equivalent for Denmark.  D    Oh, you mean job posting/seeking sites.  Yeah, they'll dredge the
    bottom.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2006 05:13:00 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>, Subject: Re: Interesting problem with BACKUPA Message-ID: <1166015580.718495.21610@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>    Palda wrote: > Hi Peter,  > 5 > Thanks for answer, it seems, the IDs are different.  >  > for instance:  >  > STDFILES_SMST53_DECSS7.BCK;15 # >                      (73983,41,0)  > STDFILES_SMST53_DECSS7.BCK;14 # >                      (73304,17,0)  >  >  or: >  > STDFILES_SMST53_SNMP.BCK;19 # >                      (71380,78,0)  > STDFILES_SMST53_SNMP.BCK;18 # >                      (74516,73,0)  > I > That's pity, I thought it could be it. Maybe could it have something to % > do with a high load of the machine?  > 	 > Regards  > Jiri  E Can you show us the output of DIRECTORY/FULL STDFILES_SMST53_SNMP.BCK  and similar?  ; How about posting the DCL command procedure you're running?   # We definitely need some more clues.    AEF    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:52:16 +0100 ( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>3 Subject: Re: Managed vs unmanaged switch in cluster 7 Message-ID: <006b01c71e9c$5f402800$994614ac@domina.fom>    Hello,   Stephen Hoffmann wrote:    >>> H    If you are currently running a 10Base switch and if you are asking=20G this question, an unmanaged 10/100 switch will likely work just fine=20 J with OpenVMS VAX, Alpha and Integrity systems.  And they're cheap.  Been =  3 running these for many years in many installations.  <<<   F That's not our experience. We did have a lot of trouble with OpenVMS = VAXes J and Alphas and "auto negotiation".  This trouble comes after a few days. = The I throughput went down to ~2%. Since this we use managed switches and set =  both/ sites (switch and interface) fix to "FastFull". H The advantage of a managed switch is, that you can have a look about theH parameters, counters and errors. You can change the flow control, mirror@ ports and block ports. You can influence the workflow of switch.   Best regards R. Wingert    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2006 03:58:29 -0800/ From: "David B Sneddon" <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> 2 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Weekly Audio Update - Show #1B Message-ID: <1166011109.886047.117900@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  7 I just listened to most, but not all, of this broadcast 4 and note the following that needs to be corrected...  1 There is mention of mouse drivers and thumbwheels 2 and reference to Fred Kleinsorge and Dave Sneddon.4 I can not claim any responsibility for mouse drivers1 and thumbwheels -- credit for that needs to go to   Fred Kleinsorge and Tim Sneddon.   Dave   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2006 07:49:11 -0800! From: "Ian Miller" <gxys@uk2.net> 2 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Weekly Audio Update - Show #1A Message-ID: <1166024951.902665.50380@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>   . A correction will be included in the next one.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:36:47 +0200 3 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@REMOVE_THISbruden.com> ' Subject: Re: PATCH on Alpha and Itanium 9 Message-ID: <457fa0c9$0$15471$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>   4 "John Reagan" <john.reagan@hp.com> wrote in message + news:4Fzfh.3505$TG1.779@news.cpqcorp.net... " > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > ' >> It doesn't.  It does worn on V7.3-1.  >> >> > K > You haven't said how it "doesn't work".  I'll guess sharable image ident   > mismatches, right? > J > Well, I'll also guess that PATCH really doesn't use any "new" RTL entry L > points added between V7.2 and V7.3-1 but the underlying RTLs bumped their L > GSMATCH (don't get me started on people who don't use GSMATCH correctly!). > J > So on your V7.3-1 system, use PATCH/ABSOLUTE on a copy of itself.  Find M > the sharable image GSMATCHes in the image (use ANAL/IMAGE to help you find  J > them).  Using PATCH/ABSOLUTE, change the required GSMATCHes.  It should  > then run on V7.2.  > E > Of course this is all a guess, but seems faster than waiting for a   > backport.   K John - you are correct, the patch utility on Alpha/Itanium is a port of the / VAX version which hasn't changed for many years    >  > --  
 > John Reagan 7 > HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO/COBOL for OpenVMS Project Leader  > Hewlett-Packard Company        --  = Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:37:34 +0200 3 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@REMOVE_THISbruden.com> ' Subject: Re: PATCH on Alpha and Itanium 9 Message-ID: <457fa0f7$0$15429$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>   - <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message  * news:00A60152.2A4C018D@SendSpamHere.ORG...H > In article <457e8c28$0$15441$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>, "Guy Peleg" + > <guy.peleg@REMOVE_THISbruden.com> writes:  >> >> >>. >><VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message, >>news:00A600D6.25BB3F47@SendSpamHere.ORG...J >>> PATCH is, at long last, available on new versions of OpenVMS Alpha andL >>> OpenVMS Itanium.  I could really use a PATCH for V7.* Alpha.  Any chance >>> it will be back-ported?  >>J >>I did the port of patch to Itanium and Alpha in my previous life, it was >>almost trivial, F >>I made only few changes. Knowing HP you'll need to provide a strong 
 >>businessD >>case to justify a backport...upgrading your O/S must be easier ;-) > I > Guy, as you probably know, production environments are not always up to # > date with the latest revs of VMS.  > J > I like PATCH/ABSOLUTE as my "hex" editor.  I've used it for years to fixI > files like RMS indexed and other things.  It would be nice if PATCH was H > available on older versions of OpenVMS Alpha. That said, David North'sG > instructions for patching PATCH and VESTing PATCH it for use on Alpha 
 > still work.   K I may be able to help you.....contact me offline for more info and allocate  few dollars for a beer ;-)   >  > --  3 > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   > VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > 6 >  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"        --  = Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2006 07:05:37 -0800 From: mail@sanface.com Subject: PLUG: txt2pdf 9.2B Message-ID: <1166022337.601367.159680@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>  . We would like to announce txt2pdf 9.2 version.# http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html E txt2pdf is shareware; it is a very flexible and powerful Perl5 script B that converts text files to PDF format files, so you can use it in> every operating systems supported by Perl5, including OpenVMS.( Remember to read "txt2pdf on OpenVMS" at# http://www.sanface.com/openvms.html ; It's simple to design background like invoices, orders etc. ) Here nice examples made using txt2pdf PRO - http://www.sanface.com/pdf/Purchase_Order.pdf ) http://www.sanface.com/pdf/oldinvoice.pdf $ http://www.sanface.com/pdf/hfmus.pdf) http://www.sanface.com/pdf/heraldbill.pdf @ If you prefer we also distribute executables for Windows, Linux,E Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, and Mac OS X. Inside the Windows version you can  find a VB GUI: Visual txt2pdf.   What's new in this version' -test to run a test without conversions    Test txt2pdf 9.2! 6 You can find it at http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:14:59 -0500  From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: PLUG: txt2pdf 9.2Q Message-ID: <OF3A99A6AA.E19292EA-ON85257243.00539247-85257243.0053C517@metso.com>   1 mail@sanface.com wrote on 12/13/2006 10:05:37 AM:   0 > We would like to announce txt2pdf 9.2 version.% > http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html G > txt2pdf is shareware; it is a very flexible and powerful Perl5 script D > that converts text files to PDF format files, so you can use it in@ > every operating systems supported by Perl5, including OpenVMS.* > Remember to read "txt2pdf on OpenVMS" at% > http://www.sanface.com/openvms.html = > It's simple to design background like invoices, orders etc. + > Here nice examples made using txt2pdf PRO / > http://www.sanface.com/pdf/Purchase_Order.pdf + > http://www.sanface.com/pdf/oldinvoice.pdf & > http://www.sanface.com/pdf/hfmus.pdf+ > http://www.sanface.com/pdf/heraldbill.pdf B > If you prefer we also distribute executables for Windows, Linux,G > Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, and Mac OS X. Inside the Windows version you can   > find a VB GUI: Visual txt2pdf.   Caution:G I have found that the Windows executable screws up the clients' ability > to do a "New|Create Text Document" by corrupting the registry.  ( [I have not tested the OpenVMS version.]   >  > What's new in this version) > -test to run a test without conversions  >  > Test txt2pdf 9.2! 8 > You can find it at http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html >    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2006 08:18:30 -0800 From: mail@sanface.com Subject: Re: PLUG: txt2pdf 9.2B Message-ID: <1166026710.102750.135400@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>  9 First time someone notify us the problem. We will verify. F In every case txt2pdf core is a batch server tool that run in the same way on every OS./ On win we suggest to use the command line core.   I > I have found that the Windows executable screws up the clients' ability @ > to do a "New|Create Text Document" by corrupting the registry.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:26:08 +0000 (UTC) < From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)4 Subject: Re: Run image from sumitted batch procedure) Message-ID: <elodf0$7dg$1@news.BelWue.DE>   h In article <1165954779.690987.224230@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>, "Bobby" <colemanr7@yahoo.com> writes:H >I have a batch procedure that executes an image file to do some things.G > If I run the batch job interactively from an account (say USER1) then G >everything goes as planned.  If, instead, I SUBMIT/AFTER=yy/USER=user1 E >the same procedure, everything works EXCEPT for the image execution. F >Could it be starting but then getting killed before the procedure canG >finish (i.e., the batch job process continuing rather than waiting for  >the .exe to finish? > & >Any help/suggestions are appreciated.  J The most likely cause: Try to add the following line to your COM-file just$ before the line with the RUN command&    $ DEFINE/USER sys$input sys$commandC This tells DCL to take input from the COM-file instead of the user.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 03:35:53 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 4 Subject: Re: Run image from sumitted batch procedure8 Message-ID: <d8be6$457fbb7f$cef8887a$28492@TEKSAVVY.COM>   Christoph Gartmann wrote: ( >    $ DEFINE/USER sys$input sys$commandE > This tells DCL to take input from the COM-file instead of the user.    Another one you can add is:    $DEFINE/USER TT sys$command ; 	Some apps use IO that wants to access the terminal device.   K However, if an app uses stuff like FMS or SMG for full screen access, then  E running it in batch will cause it to fail. (same for decwindows apps)   F Again, showing output of the .LOG file created by the batch job would 0 provide far more insight on what is going wrong.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2006 07:47:02 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 4 Subject: Re: Run image from sumitted batch procedure3 Message-ID: <zD4kQGVGrqlf@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <1165954779.690987.224230@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>, "Bobby" <colemanr7@yahoo.com> writes:I > I have a batch procedure that executes an image file to do some things. H >  If I run the batch job interactively from an account (say USER1) thenH > everything goes as planned.  If, instead, I SUBMIT/AFTER=yy/USER=user1F > the same procedure, everything works EXCEPT for the image execution.G > Could it be starting but then getting killed before the procedure can H > finish (i.e., the batch job process continuing rather than waiting for > the .exe to finish?  > ' > Any help/suggestions are appreciated.   H    1) post the relavent portions of the log file so we can find out what    that really means  ;    2) turn on image accounting so you can capture the error   H    Generally these things end up being logical names or DCL symbols thatE    are defined during login only for interactive, or we defined after ,    login so the batch job doesn't have them.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2006 07:15:36 -0800# From: "Bobby" <colemanr7@yahoo.com> 4 Subject: Re: Run image from sumitted batch procedureC Message-ID: <1166022936.068246.249000@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>   G Thanks for the responses.  I didn't want to paste a long script here so G I extracted a sample of code to duplicate the problem with a test file. !  The answers imply the following: .   a.  This really isn't expected behavior, and:   b.  It could be a problem with the compiled .exe itself.  = The image that I'm focused on at this moment is the shareware C REVERT.EXE that renumbers file version numbers, starting at 1.  The F problem may very well lie in the code itself?  I tried the suggestions5 for define/user sys$input and TT without any success.   D I'm afraid that I'm (right now) getting a seat-o-the-pants lesson on4 "image accounting".  I looked at help regarding $setD account/enable=image and $account/image.  I enabled image accounting and received the following:    $ account/image=revert/full         ...%accounting stuff%...      Job name:          TEST B     Final status text: %SYSTEM-S-BUFFEROVF, output buffer overflow       ...%execution stats%...   ; It would appear that the problem lies in the output stream.    Bobby    -------------------------  TEST PROCEDURE   $ set verify $! TEST.COM  $! renumber some files@ $! util.dir and revert.exe have execution permission by everyone $!# $ DEFINE/USER sys$input sys$command  $ revert := $util:revert.exe% $ revert/keep=2/all u1:[temp]test.txt  $ exit   -----------------------------  INTERACTIVE OUTPUT   $ set verify $! TEST.COM  $! renumber some files@ $! util.dir and revert.exe have execution permission by everyone $! $ revert := $util:revert.exe% $ revert/keep=2/all u1:[temp]test.txt    Target: U1:[TEMP]TEST.TXT;* *                  TEST.TXT;2 --> TEST.TXT;2*                  TEST.TXT;1 --> TEST.TXT;1  +         Purged: 0 (0/0 blocks), Reverted: 2    $ exit   -------------------------- BATCH QUEUE LOG 6 $ SUBMIT/AFTER=YEST/LOG=U1:[TEMP]TEST.LOG/NOPRINT TEST --------------------------   $ Set NOVERIFY $! TEST.COM  $! renumber some files@ $! util.dir and revert.exe have execution permission by everyone $! $ revert := $util:revert.exe% $ revert/keep=2/all u1:[temp]test.txt  $ exit8   R7C          job terminated at 13-DEC-2006 09:51:31.53   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:50:16 -0500  From: norm.raphael@metso.com4 Subject: Re: Run image from sumitted batch procedureQ Message-ID: <OF3E6EABD2.0E935D46-ON85257243.0056DD56-85257243.0056FFEB@metso.com>    I think you're correct.    You might try replacing # $ DEFINE/USER sys$input sys$command  in the batch file with* $ DEFINE/USER sys$output REVERT_OUTPUT.LOG3 and see if this gives the program a place to write.   > "Bobby" <colemanr7@yahoo.com> wrote on 12/13/2006 10:15:36 AM:  I > Thanks for the responses.  I didn't want to paste a long script here so I > I extracted a sample of code to duplicate the problem with a test file. # >  The answers imply the following: 0 >   a.  This really isn't expected behavior, and< >   b.  It could be a problem with the compiled .exe itself. > ? > The image that I'm focused on at this moment is the shareware E > REVERT.EXE that renumbers file version numbers, starting at 1.  The H > problem may very well lie in the code itself?  I tried the suggestions7 > for define/user sys$input and TT without any success.  > F > I'm afraid that I'm (right now) getting a seat-o-the-pants lesson on6 > "image accounting".  I looked at help regarding $setF > account/enable=image and $account/image.  I enabled image accounting > and received the following:  >  > $ account/image=revert/full  >  >      ...%accounting stuff%...  >     Job name:          TEST D >     Final status text: %SYSTEM-S-BUFFEROVF, output buffer overflow >  >     ...%execution stats%...  > = > It would appear that the problem lies in the output stream.  >  > Bobby  >  > -------------------------  > TEST PROCEDURE >  > $ set verify
 > $! TEST.COM  > $! renumber some filesB > $! util.dir and revert.exe have execution permission by everyone > $!% > $ DEFINE/USER sys$input sys$command  > $ revert := $util:revert.exe' > $ revert/keep=2/all u1:[temp]test.txt  > $ exit >  > -----------------------------  > INTERACTIVE OUTPUT >  > $ set verify
 > $! TEST.COM  > $! renumber some filesB > $! util.dir and revert.exe have execution permission by everyone > $! > $ revert := $util:revert.exe' > $ revert/keep=2/all u1:[temp]test.txt  >  > Target: U1:[TEMP]TEST.TXT;* , >                  TEST.TXT;2 --> TEST.TXT;2, >                  TEST.TXT;1 --> TEST.TXT;1 > - >         Purged: 0 (0/0 blocks), Reverted: 2  >  > $ exit >  > -------------------------- > BATCH QUEUE LOG 8 > $ SUBMIT/AFTER=YEST/LOG=U1:[TEMP]TEST.LOG/NOPRINT TEST > -------------------------- >  > $ Set NOVERIFY
 > $! TEST.COM  > $! renumber some filesB > $! util.dir and revert.exe have execution permission by everyone > $! > $ revert := $util:revert.exe' > $ revert/keep=2/all u1:[temp]test.txt  > $ exit: >   R7C          job terminated at 13-DEC-2006 09:51:31.53 >    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2006 09:27:11 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>4 Subject: Re: Run image from sumitted batch procedureB Message-ID: <1166030831.127321.130090@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>   Bobby wrote:I > Thanks for the responses.  I didn't want to paste a long script here so I > I extracted a sample of code to duplicate the problem with a test file. # >  The answers imply the following: 0 >   a.  This really isn't expected behavior, and< >   b.  It could be a problem with the compiled .exe itself. > ? > The image that I'm focused on at this moment is the shareware E > REVERT.EXE that renumbers file version numbers, starting at 1.  The H > problem may very well lie in the code itself?  I tried the suggestions7 > for define/user sys$input and TT without any success.  > F > I'm afraid that I'm (right now) getting a seat-o-the-pants lesson on6 > "image accounting".  I looked at help regarding $setF > account/enable=image and $account/image.  I enabled image accounting > and received the following:  >  > $ account/image=revert/full  >  >      ...%accounting stuff%...  >     Job name:          TEST D >     Final status text: %SYSTEM-S-BUFFEROVF, output buffer overflow >  >     ...%execution stats%...  > = > It would appear that the problem lies in the output stream.  >  > Bobby  >  > -------------------------  > TEST PROCEDURE >  > $ set verify
 > $! TEST.COM  > $! renumber some filesB > $! util.dir and revert.exe have execution permission by everyone > $!% > $ DEFINE/USER sys$input sys$command   E In batch mode, both SYS$INPUT and SYS$COMMAND are the .COM file, so I $ think this does essentially nothing.   > $ revert := $util:revert.exe' > $ revert/keep=2/all u1:[temp]test.txt  > $ exit >  > -----------------------------  > INTERACTIVE OUTPUT >  > $ set verify
 > $! TEST.COM  > $! renumber some filesB > $! util.dir and revert.exe have execution permission by everyone > $! > $ revert := $util:revert.exe' > $ revert/keep=2/all u1:[temp]test.txt  >  > Target: U1:[TEMP]TEST.TXT;* , >                  TEST.TXT;2 --> TEST.TXT;2, >                  TEST.TXT;1 --> TEST.TXT;1 > - >         Purged: 0 (0/0 blocks), Reverted: 2  >  > $ exit >  > -------------------------- > BATCH QUEUE LOG 8 > $ SUBMIT/AFTER=YEST/LOG=U1:[TEMP]TEST.LOG/NOPRINT TEST > -------------------------- >  > $ Set NOVERIFY
 > $! TEST.COM  > $! renumber some filesB > $! util.dir and revert.exe have execution permission by everyone > $! > $ revert := $util:revert.exe' > $ revert/keep=2/all u1:[temp]test.txt  > $ exit: >   R7C          job terminated at 13-DEC-2006 09:51:31.53  - Apparently your image exits quietly on error!   F I suspect your image insists on using a terminal. The only thing I canF think of short of rewriting the image is to define SYS$OUTPUT to be anA interactive terminal (yikes!) and run it with sufficient privs to G enable it to work (LOG_IO? PHYS_IO?). You'd have to get the device name $ of your terminal with something like  5     $ DEV_NAME = F$GETDVI("SYS$OUTPUT", "FULLDEVNAM")   G and pass that as a parameter to your main command procedure. (You could D write a jacket DCL procedure that does this for you.) Then something like  &     $ DEFINE/USER_MODE SYS$OUTPUT 'P1'  E immediately before calling your image in your main command procedure.   F I don't know if this would work, but the trading application I supportF at work does some DCL similar to this and that DOES work (but not withD image output -- it copies a text file to a remote terminal instead).  @ Not a great way to do things, since you seem to want to run thisE unattended! And let me repeat: I DID NOT TEST THIS. It's just an idea D that MIGHT work based on a similar thing that DOES work. It may well	 NOT work.   F Anyway, if all you want to do is resequence file version numbers, thisC is something you can write in DCL -- no third-party image required.    AEF    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:41:55 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> D Subject: Re: VAX VMS 7.3,  ana/image running out of virtual memory ?: Message-ID: <itqdnQxrItfSsB3YnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com>   JF Mezei wrote: 	 > Update:  > E > Mozilla places it temporary files in my SYS$LOGIn which is on that  I > drive. As a result, it has problems managing its own files. It appears  I > that messages do get sent hoewver, despite the multiple error messages  ( > that are issued when I try to send it. > 3 > And so  far, BACKUP has already uncovered errors:  > E > $ backup/list=disk2.list/image/ignore=(nobackup,interlock)/noalias   > $disk2: $disk  > 4:[000000]disk2.save/save M > %BACKUP-E-BADDIR, directory $DISK2:[APPLICATIONS.KERMIT] has invalid format I > %BACKUP-E-BADDIR, directory $DISK2:[APPLICATIONS.MOSAIC41] has invalid   > format > H > In a BACKUP/IMAGE, would the files inside those directories still get G > copied over because they would be in indexF.SYS ? Or are none of the  H > files in those directories going to be included because the directory ' > files were crushed with random data ?   @ An image backup backs up all the files pointed to by INDEXF.SYS.  G If you have a known good backup, first try deleting the directories in  G question and doing an ANALYZE /DISK /REPAIR /(no)CONFIRM.   You should  H then be able to create new directories and move files from [SYSLOST] to  the proper directory.   4 If you don't have a known good backup, shame on you!   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2006 05:50:12 -0800< From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com>I Subject: Re: VAX VMS 7.3, ana/disk/repair running out of virtual memory ? C Message-ID: <1166017812.307111.201170@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote:   J > For files that are variable length, once they are oveerriden with randomJ > data, they no longer have valid records, no valid record length bytes at< > the start of each line etc. Yet, ANA/RMS reports no error. > < > Is there a way to quickly detect which file is like that ?  E ANAL/RMS, and RMS itself treats a record whcih would go beyond EOF as  EOF.( I don't like that, but that's how it is.  E With a C or MACRO program it would be trivial to SYS$READ or SYS$QIOW E the first block in the file and make sure the first 16-bit word has a  reasonable value for the file.G For a text file that often means less than 132, but certainly less than : MRS (from FAB) and preferably less than LRL (from XABFHC).  D The following lines show a DCL implemenation of the suggestes check.   $ type CHECK_VAR.com $rfm = f$file (p1,"RFM") $mrs = f$file (p1,"MRS") $lrl =  f$file (p1,"LRL") & $if rfm.nes."VAR" then exit %X0001860C) $set file 'p1'/attr=(rfm=fix,mrs=2,lrl=2)  $open/read/share=write file 'p1  $read file record " $length = f$cvui ( 0, 16, record ) $close file 3 $set file 'p1'/attr=(rfm='rfm',mrs='mrs',lrl='lrl') 
 $max = 200 $if mrs.ne.0 then max = mrs  $if lrl.ne.0 then max = lrl  $if length .gt. max  $then < $ write sys$output "suspect record size ''length' for ''p1'" $else ) $ write sys$output "file ''p1' seems ok."  $endif   Hein.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2006 04:33:09 -0800< From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com>C Subject: Re: VAX VMS 7.3, ana/image running out of virtual memory ? C Message-ID: <1166013189.247441.180120@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote: L > SHORT STORY: I have a corrupted bound volume set thanks to VMS's no-longer4 > so robust software. I should have stayed with 7.2.  D Something went wrong somewhere. It is not clear at all that this wasF caused  by a newer VMS version. It could easily be a hardware problem,F it coudl be a corruption seeded by 7.2 and finally comming to light. I >  > L > QUESTION:  can I safely ANA/IMAGE individual drives in a bound volume set=  ?  5 I believe it will have to go back to the root member.   F Think about it for 1/2 second: In a bound volume set new files will beE allocated on the member disk with most space, not where the directory C is. So ina 4 member set roughly 75% of the files has a header in an 5 indexf.sys for a directory which is not on the drive. B So 75% of the file will be 'lost files' whne looked at the disk in
 isolation.> Some files may have extention header on an other drive. Yikes.= The bitmap and allocation and indexf.sys should all be valid,  consistent, files-11 though.  J > trying to analyse the whole volume fails. Are there other tools to fix aG > drive that is corrupted with some file data having been overwritten ?   C I don;t think you have a clue about the exxtent of the damage, so I G woudl be very reluctant to start repairing. I would switch to read only D mode and try to suck off recent files changes after the last backup.  ' Main alternative tool is of course DFU. B It had a built in VERIFY option (with /FIX , if deemed appropriate after analysis)   E The other big tools for cases like this are - Brains; Patience; Dump; ; and the black bible: "Guide to VMS file systems internals";   L > (THE LD driver used was on Alpha 8.3 accessing the bound volume via MSCP).   Hmm, odd choice. - Aggresive mix of technology. - Unsupported cluster setup.3 Why not write it to the local drive on the 8.3 box.    > H > Am not a happy puppy. (presently doing a backup to see how much of theL > drive can be recuperated, but I have no idea how many files have had theirL > actual data overwritten and which may not signal any error until you try = toH > look at the actual contents). (like my TPU$COMMANDS.TPU file which was > overwritten with junk).   B So what does the 'junk' look like? That's where the DUMP comes in.3 The contents may give a clue as to what went wrong.   L > I have a bound volume set (4 dssi disks of 2gigs). Tonight, while creatingK > some ISO container files, I filled the volume. I quickly deleted files to 
 > make space.   ? So there where some interesting dynamics going on, and boundary C conditions my have been hit, like members running out of disk space G forcing a file header extent on an other member, which the old software  did not manage correctly? . Was the V7 system up to date with its patches?  
 > And now: >  > $ ana/disk/repair $disk2L > Analyze/Disk_Structure/Repair for _$4$DIA1: started on 13-DEC-2006 06:06:= 53.72  > 0 > %ANALDISK-I-OPENQUOTA, error opening QUOTA.SYS$ > -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file: > %ANALDISK-I-BADHIGHWATER, file (431,5,1) AUSTRALIA.DXF;5* >    inconsistent highwater mark and EFBLK7 > %ANALDISK-F-ALLOCMEM, error allocating virtual memory / > -LIB-F-INSVIRMEM, insufficient virtual memory   , So did you try giving it (lots) more memory?  + This could be a simple lack of PAGFILQUO !?     Did you play with SET VOL/LIMIT?E I've seen on report on ANAL running out of memory in combination with  that.    and.... perhaps use /CONFIRM ?     > OK, and now: > ( > DUMP USRDIR:[JFMEZEI]TPU$COMMAND.TPU;2 >   > Yield only garbage date in it.4 > irtual block number 1 (00000001), 512 (0200) bytes > ? >   00000000 00000031 00000000 00000000 ........1....... 000000 C >   0015E768 0015E758 58000000 00000040 @......XX=E7..h=E7.. 000010 ? >   00000000 00000032 00000000 00000000 ........2....... 000020   ) I don't recognize that either... for now.     K > DAMNED VAX 7.3. It broke the OSU web server and had now corrupted my main L > disk (just before I was to move it to new drives and get rid of this bound > volume set).   So was it 7.3 or 7.2 ? Which dot and dash versions?=20  Which patched applied?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:55:37 -0000 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>C Subject: Re: VAX VMS 7.3, ana/image running out of virtual memory ? , Message-ID: <elp0oq$nm5$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:457FFFA7.59C9390C@teksavvy.com...  H > Does the LD driver have its own fancy file allocation logic (which mayJ > not be aware of older bound volumes), or does it use very standard/basic > file allocation routines ?  J I expect it take out an exclusive lock on the container file when mounted.M Other than that: it's not going to access the file through standard routines, J  it being a driver after all; it's going to have to figure out all the LBNM offsets itself. I wouldn't be greatly surprised if it assumed all the extents B were on the same volume, or even all on the primary volume. Do theC corrupt blocks appear at the same LBN numbers (on the other volume)  as the container file?     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 03:05:55 -0600 ! From: VMSguy <vmsguy@comcast.net> 4 Subject: VMS VERSION - V7.3-2, V8.2, V8.3 difference* Message-ID: <457FC273.5080503@comcast.net>  B Anyone care to comment on the major differences between the three 0 versions of VMS for Alpha - V7.3-2, V8.2, V8.3 ?  K I am planning an upgrade to V8.3 however management wants to stay at V7.3-2    Thanks!    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2006 02:33:33 -0800, From: "Cluster-Karl" <karl.rohwedder@gmx.de>8 Subject: Re: VMS VERSION - V7.3-2, V8.2, V8.3 differenceB Message-ID: <1166006013.368476.120650@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>   VMSguy schrieb:   C > Anyone care to comment on the major differences between the three 2 > versions of VMS for Alpha - V7.3-2, V8.2, V8.3 ? > M > I am planning an upgrade to V8.3 however management wants to stay at V7.3-2  > 	 > Thanks!    Hae a look at :   < http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/v83features.html   and   < http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/v82features.html  
 regards kalle    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:32:52 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 8 Subject: Re: VMS VERSION - V7.3-2, V8.2, V8.3 difference9 Message-ID: <5fGdnR_H3Leu2h3YnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@libcom.com>   
 VMSguy wrote: D > Anyone care to comment on the major differences between the three 2 > versions of VMS for Alpha - V7.3-2, V8.2, V8.3 ? > M > I am planning an upgrade to V8.3 however management wants to stay at V7.3-2  > 	 > Thanks!  >  >    Rather confusing question.  F If you don't know the differences, then I'd assume management doesn't G either.  If not, then on what do they base their preference for V7.3-2?   F If you subscribe to software maintenance, then the end of support for H the old version seems to be a compelling reason to upgrade, lacking any  reasons not to upgrade.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.685 ************************