1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 16 Dec 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 690       Contents: Re: Depth of 19" racks ? Re: Depth of 19" racks ? Re: Depth of 19" racks ? Re: dsw41/42 and dsv11* Re: Emulex CP34 Distribution Panels URGENT7 Re: open sourcing PDP-10 OSes (was: Mentec US is gone!) + Re: Run image from sumitted batch procedure  Re: shutdown of MySQL 4.1.14, Re: Suggestion for F$SEARCH (starting point)	 thank you 
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 Re: thank you 9 Re: The Evil within! (Was Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic) 9 Re: The Evil within! (Was Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic)  Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic RE: The Hole in Cerner's Logic  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:16:02 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> ! Subject: Re: Depth of 19" racks ? : Message-ID: <sPqdnWMGMt5w-R7YnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@comcast.com>   JF Mezei wrote:   % > OK, here is where I am coming from:  > J > Q5 Microvax II cabinet, stripped down to what appeared to be a 19" rack.; > The width and the spacing of holes on the front are fine.  > H > However, the DS10L rackmount kit has brackets that are not long enough: > to reach between the front portion and the rear portion. > ? > Are 19" racks of different depths without a single standard ?  > G > Or are there a couple of standards for 19" racks with the more modern  > one usually shallower ?   C 19" racks come in various depths.  The mounting rails also come in  H various depths.  I have seen mounting rail "extenders" but I don't know I where you would buy them.  I'm sure that HP sells racks with appropriate  ; depth for DS10Ls but they probably cost more the the DS10L.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:32:53 -0700 $ From: Jeff Campbell <n8wxs@arrl.net>! Subject: Re: Depth of 19" racks ? 3 Message-ID: <1166247257_16429@sp6iad.superfeed.net>    Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  > JF Mezei wrote:  > & >> OK, here is where I am coming from: >>K >> Q5 Microvax II cabinet, stripped down to what appeared to be a 19" rack. < >> The width and the spacing of holes on the front are fine. >>I >> However, the DS10L rackmount kit has brackets that are not long enough ; >> to reach between the front portion and the rear portion.  >>@ >> Are 19" racks of different depths without a single standard ? >>H >> Or are there a couple of standards for 19" racks with the more modern >> one usually shallower ? > E > 19" racks come in various depths.  The mounting rails also come in  J > various depths.  I have seen mounting rail "extenders" but I don't know K > where you would buy them.  I'm sure that HP sells racks with appropriate  = > depth for DS10Ls but they probably cost more the the DS10L.    JF,    Googling finds (among others):  F     <http://www.racksolutions.com/rails-server-rack-mount-fixed.shtml>  Q ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 00:38:42 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>! Subject: Re: Depth of 19" racks ? - Message-ID: <45838641.D9DBA3D3@vaxination.ca>    "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: E >> 19" racks come in various depths.  The mounting rails also come in I > various depths.  I have seen mounting rail "extenders" but I don't know J > where you would buy them.  I'm sure that HP sells racks with appropriate= > depth for DS10Ls but they probably cost more the the DS10L.    Thanks for the info.  D The rack mount kit for the DS10L is just a rail, not a a drawer withA extendable arms. So it isn't really worth spending money on. I'll 4 probably end up making some rails out of fibreglass.  C The disadvantage is that it becomes very hard to do any maintenance F while the unit is still running (for instance chcking airflow inside).H Many modern servers are on extendable arims that allow the unit to fullyD slide out of the rack and still be held by the arms, allowing you to4 lift open the cover while the unit is still running.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:36:35 GMT - From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@ieeWIPE.org>  Subject: Re: dsw41/42 and dsv11 9 Message-ID: <Xns989AC6EC26DC7arcarliniieeorg@80.5.182.99>   - nierveze <alain.nierveze@wanadoo.fr> wrote in / news:45812224$0$25941$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr:     > Hello every one,D > I have a vax4000/100 with a dsw41/42 option ,syncronous comms two @ > channels .I cannot find documentation about this option.Is it H > comptatible from the programming point of view with the dsv11sa  (qbusC > option)? Is it compatible also for the two connectors?I have the  B > documentation of dsv11.On this documentation I have read that toD > connect it to a rs-449 device (37 pin subd connector) I need cable# > bc19b-02 part number 17-01108-01.   D The DSW41/42 is supported by the VAX WAN Device Drivers software andF when using that software it is just another WAN device like the DSV11.C There may be some subtle differences (although the DSW firmware was ? based - at least in part - on the DSV firmware) but mostly they @ should be identical. Certainly if you want to use it for anotherA layered product like P.S.I then you won't see a difference (other  than the device name).  E The connector was a "universal" one defined by the DEC WAN group. You B used an adapter cable to go to RS-423 or V.35 or whatever. The DSWE had one issue I remember which is that V.35 was not supported (in the & sense that it did not work - at all).   $ What are you planning to do with it?   Antonio      --     Antonio Carlini  arcarlini AT iee DOT org   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:36:34 -0500 F From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@islandco.com>3 Subject: Re: Emulex CP34 Distribution Panels URGENT " Message-ID: <NrFgh.11$_X.0@bigfe9>   Thanks   DT5 "Guy Sotomayor" <ggs@shiresoft.com> wrote in message   news:1166156468.497341@smirk...  > John Santos wrote:& >> Island Computers, D B Turner wrote:C >>> We are in desperate need of Emulex CP34 Distribution Panel Kits 6 >>> If anyone has any or knows of any please email me! >>> 
 >>> Thanks >>E >> Have you asked on alt.sys.pdp11 or vmsnet.pdp-11?  A lot of Emulex D >> gear lives on 11's, and a lot of generic DEC hardware people hang5 >> out there, even though it isn't strictly on topic.  >>C >> What's the CP34 used on?  I used to have an Emulex DV11 emulator B >> (same hardware as the Emulex DH11 emulator, different firmware,@ >> IIRC).  Gave it away to someone after our last supported DV11E >> customer went away, at about Y2K.  Most of the people I gave stuff B >> too still hang around in the PDP-11 groups, so if the recipient+ >> no longer needs it, they might speak up.  >> >> >> > M > I *might* have a few but I'll have to look and it might not be until early  L > next week before I have an answer.  If I have to dig around in storage it $ > might be an additional week or so. >  > --   > 
 > TTFN - Guy     ------------------------------    Date: 15 Dec 2006 16:49:02 -05003 From: Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> @ Subject: Re: open sourcing PDP-10 OSes (was: Mentec US is gone!). Message-ID: <mddwt4sde41.fsf@panix5.panix.com>  3 legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) writes:   1 > [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]   = > "madcrow" <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> spake the secret code @ > <1166132485.290642.242650@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com> thusly:  + >>  [...] open-sourcing the PDP-10 OSes and  >> layered products...) [...]   8 > When did this happen and where's the source, Luke? :-)  L As I noted in a followup to madcrow, it was prior to the Compaq acquisition.  I See http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/ for details, including a copy of the 9 license.  Yes, that's Tim Shoppa's company serving it up.    --  L Rich Alderson                                       | /"\ ASCII ribbon     |L news@alderson.users.panix.com                       | \ / campaign against |L "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime."    |  x  HTML mail and    |L                          --Death, of the Endless    | / \ postings         |   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Dec 2006 16:38:57 -0800# From: "Bobby" <colemanr7@yahoo.com> 4 Subject: Re: Run image from sumitted batch procedureB Message-ID: <1166229537.799317.31390@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Stephen Hoffman wrote:0 > ...  I see an LWW-REVERT tool available on the> > Freeware and elsewhere, is that the tool that you are using?  D Yes, the REVERT.EXE was compiled using the LWW-REVERT package on the freeware CD.  J >    Me? I'd definitely look at replacing REVERT with the following DCL... > , >          $ RENAME file.typ;*   RENAME.TMP;* >          $ RENAME RENAME.TMP;* file.typ;  D I believe that you're DCL method is better for my application and isB certainly more portable.  Using DCL rather than revert.exe will, I8 believe, ensure that incremental backups work correctly.  E So, for this particular application I am convinced that I do not need E to use revert.exe.  I'm still a bit confused about "why" this happens G in the batch queue the way that it does, but haven't taken the time yet G to look closely at the revert.c code.  My original uneasiness came more G from not understanding the cause of the behavior than the specific need B to rename files.  I wanted to be sure that my assumption of imagesD executing in-line during batch job execution was correct (i.e., thatF VMS wasn't spawning sub-processes).  I now feel more comfortable aboutG how it works and have learned quite a bit to boot (i.e., how to analyze  image execution).    Thanks to all for the help.    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Dec 2006 12:40:12 -0800( From: "Carl Karcher" <wolf351@gmail.com>% Subject: Re: shutdown of MySQL 4.1.14 B Message-ID: <1166215212.623978.87100@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   thierry.uso@wanadoo.fr wrote:   G > I have just installed MySQL 4.1.14 on an Itanium OpenVMS 8.3. I can't I > shutdown MySQL 4.1.14 by several mysqladmin commands. Is it a known bug   A I've seen this from time to time. Appears to happen when activity B between the startup and shutdown is low or nothing. You can safelyE STOP/IMAGE/ID= the process. It will trigger a recovery on startup but  it's supposed to work that way.    --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison ; --                      karcher.n0m0respam@waisman.wisc.edu    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:24:48 -0600 3 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> 5 Subject: Re: Suggestion for F$SEARCH (starting point) 0 Message-ID: <458358F0.AE890C91@spam.comcast.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > + > Say I have a command procedure which uses I > F$SEARCH("$disk2:[000000...]*.*;*") to process each file on the disk to J > check for its integrity and that this takes hours. But during this time,C > there is a power failure due to a freak summer storm happening in G > winter. (global warming...). (second power failure since my disk went  > bad :-( )   L Please consider a UPS. Something that will carry a DS10L over a brief outage5 shouldn't cost more than a couple of hundred dollars.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Dec 2006 16:59:20 -0800) From: "Sue" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com>  Subject: thank youB Message-ID: <1166230760.768419.143250@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>   Dear Newsgroup,   E I just sent this and now wanted to post it hear since you are also so  important to me.   Big hug, sue   ! Distribution lists (Dear Friends)   G At this time of the year I always like to take some time to think about G all the reasons I have to be thankful and there are so many.  But I can G honestly say after 21 years at the same company (sort of) to still wake F up in the morning and to be happy to go to work is a huge reason to be happy.  B My dear friends I know most of you personally.  You are an amazingA group of folks that every day surprises me in one way or another. D Normally, it's by your loyalty to OpenVMS and you show that, usuallyD by helping each other or by getting upset when you feel we have beenE slighted, and sometimes it's by sending me information or a very cool > tidbit about VMS. Thank you for making my days so interesting.  B Those of you who have been to an awards dinner know that one of my5 favorite sayings is from Martin Luther King which is; F "...the ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments ofE convenience and moments of comfort, but where he stands in moments of D challenge and moments of controversy."  These are extremely powerfulB words, it's easy to be friends and stick together when there is noF challenge the true test is where you will be when hardship comes.  YouF who are Customers and Partners have stuck with us through two mergers,F 7 CEO's, 3 architectures and countless rumors of our demise. Thank youG for your loyalty and courage  The internal folks you have done all that A in addition to deal with all the internal family things and still > manage to deliver an amazingly elegant Operating System.  I amD privileged and honored to work with and for you every day. Thank you2 all for letting me have the best job in the world.  F We have so many new and exciting things to look forward to in 2007 and" I look forward to working with you   Warm regards as always,   
 Sue Skonetski    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:05:39 -0600 3 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>  Subject: Re: thank you/ Message-ID: <45835473.BCC7A65@spam.comcast.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Sue wrote:
 > > But I can K > > honestly say after 21 years at the same company (sort of) to still wake J > > up in the morning and to be happy to go to work is a huge reason to be
 > > happy. > ? > You started work at Digital when you were 9 years old ???????  >  > :-) ;-) ;-) :-) :-) ;-)   5 Her daughter was working at the bootcamp last spring!    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:22:19 -0500 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: thank youI Message-ID: <8660a3a10612151822s28dd2f8fo54b0a032fec8e722@mail.gmail.com>   G On 15 Dec 2006 16:59:20 -0800, Sue <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote:  > Dear Newsgroup,  > G > I just sent this and now wanted to post it hear since you are also so  > important to me. > 
 > Big hug, > sue  > # > Distribution lists (Dear Friends)  > I > At this time of the year I always like to take some time to think about I > all the reasons I have to be thankful and there are so many.  But I can I > honestly say after 21 years at the same company (sort of) to still wake H > up in the morning and to be happy to go to work is a huge reason to be > happy. > D > My dear friends I know most of you personally.  You are an amazingC > group of folks that every day surprises me in one way or another. F > Normally, it's by your loyalty to OpenVMS and you show that, usuallyF > by helping each other or by getting upset when you feel we have beenG > slighted, and sometimes it's by sending me information or a very cool @ > tidbit about VMS. Thank you for making my days so interesting. > D > Those of you who have been to an awards dinner know that one of my7 > favorite sayings is from Martin Luther King which is; H > "...the ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments ofG > convenience and moments of comfort, but where he stands in moments of F > challenge and moments of controversy."  These are extremely powerfulD > words, it's easy to be friends and stick together when there is noH > challenge the true test is where you will be when hardship comes.  YouH > who are Customers and Partners have stuck with us through two mergers,H > 7 CEO's, 3 architectures and countless rumors of our demise. Thank youI > for your loyalty and courage  The internal folks you have done all that C > in addition to deal with all the internal family things and still @ > manage to deliver an amazingly elegant Operating System.  I amF > privileged and honored to work with and for you every day. Thank you4 > all for letting me have the best job in the world. > H > We have so many new and exciting things to look forward to in 2007 and$ > I look forward to working with you >  > Warm regards as always,  >  > Sue Skonetski  >  >   E It is those of us in the user community who are indebted to you, Sue.   D You are without a doubt the most vocal and tireless advocate for VMS in the entire world.  C This long-time customer is of the opinion that it is your unceasing 9 advocacy and persistent promotion of VMS which contribute D significantly to the maintenance of VMS' visiblity to the higher-ups at HP.  F I was listening to an interview with Chris Gardner, the author of "TheD Pursuit of Happyness" (the Will Smith movie that's just coming out).  F He made some very incisive comments about doing what you loved and itsA importance to being successful.  You just described that, and you 
 personify it.    WWWebb   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Dec 2006 17:48:23 -0800' From: "jbigboote" <jbigboote@gmail.com> B Subject: Re: The Evil within! (Was Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic)A Message-ID: <1166233703.401142.56880@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>    Richard Maher wrote: ...  > L > PS. Is there no other Health System that runs on VMS? The fact that Cerner4 > has yet to embrace clustering is a disappointment.  F Really? What clustering don't they support? This marketing information speaks only to AIX: 1 http://www.cerner.com/public/Cerner_3.asp?id=1458 = But I have first-hand knowledge of VMS Alpha clusters running  millennium.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:13:37 -0600 3 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> B Subject: Re: The Evil within! (Was Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic)0 Message-ID: <45835651.D6E76397@spam.comcast.net>   jbigboote wrote: >  > Richard Maher wrote: > ...  > > N > > PS. Is there no other Health System that runs on VMS? The fact that Cerner6 > > has yet to embrace clustering is a disappointment. > H > Really? What clustering don't they support? This marketing information > speaks only to AIX: 3 > http://www.cerner.com/public/Cerner_3.asp?id=1458 ? > But I have first-hand knowledge of VMS Alpha clusters running 
 > millennium.   P We have Alpha clusters running Millennium. However, Millennium itself is neither$ cluster-aware nor cluster-dependent.  E So, the lack of VMS-style clustering in AIX is a moot issue from that  perspective.  L I had once speculated that an Alpha/I64 hybrid cluster could satisfy certain needs for that very reason.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:19:37 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ' Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic 9 Message-ID: <w6ednY0dsP27aB_YnZ2dnUVZ_oernZ2d@libcom.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:; > In article <uK-dnRrblueHlx_YnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@libcom.com>, , > 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >> Bill Gunshannon wrote: F >>> In article <1166119583.920056.23440@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,) >>> 	dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com writes: I >>>> ....a replacement solution (i.e. any Unix) which is inferior to your  >>>> current solution,   >>> Your opinion.  >>> - >>>>                    is not a solution !!! < >>> And apparently not held by the majority of the industry. >>> K >>> As long as VMS, which has and continues to trail the rest of the world, L >>> sticks to this superiority complex and delusions of grandeur it is goingJ >>> to move further and further into irrelevancy.  VMS has a lot to offer,J >>> but it is not the only solution to any problem and its proponents needI >>> to get their heads out of the sand and finally come to grips with the K >>> fact that Unix (and I am not talking Linux here) today is a very mature I >>> OS that offers all of the functionality needed to run most businesses I >>> at a fraction of the cost (and don't trot out the TCO red herring yet J >>> again, it has been suitably dismissed many times already!).  VMS needsL >>> to try selling on where it really is superior and needs to come to gripsK >>> with where it is inferior or it rumors of its imminent demise will come   >>> to fruition at its own hand. >>>  >>> bill >>>  >> This time you fizzle Bill.  >>H >> The topic is specifically Cerner customers, ie; those people who pay 0 >> money to Cerner.  Not VMS vs Unix in general. >>I >> The poster is a Cerner customer, ie; someone who pays money to Cerner.  >>H >> His opinion and the payment of money to Cerner go hand in hand.  His L >> opinion is the only one that counts, when it comes to cutting a check to 
 >> Cerner. >>K >> If you also pay money to Cerner, then by all means, say your piece.  If  5 >> not, you don't have anything relevant to say here.  > G > Come on Dave.  Cerner customer or not he was spouting the usual "Unix H > ain't good enough for real work" drivel.  The entire IT industry failsD > to agree with him.  The origin of this thread was based on someoneF > claiming that Cerner is focusing on Unix (AIX and HP-UX) and showingF > signs of dumping non-Unix platforms.  If Unix wasn't good enough, doG > you really think they would be doing this?  I would be willing to bet G > that if Cerner really does dump VMS and only support their product on G > Unix it will have no noticable effect on Cerner's bottom-line.  Their G > customers run their product and it is unlikely they really care about F > what is under the hood.  Just out of curiosity, can anyone here giveG > a chronology of Cerner versions and the OSes they ran on?  Might make  > interesting reading. >  > bill >   I Actually, I've seen enough shit go down, that I've a pretty good idea of   how such would go down.   H In the case of an IT type being loyal to VMS, it then reverts to a case A of that person's management being loyal to that employee, or not.   H If a VMS based version of the product is dropped, or in danger of being H dropped, and the VMS advocate threatens the vendor that they'll migrate H to a competitor's product, the vendor will just bypass the VMS advocate , and go directly to that person's management.  H "<VMS advocate> isn't in touch with today's trends in applications.  We F can provide you with a list of people who can help you migrate to our ; Unix product and manage your IT application in the future."   C Then it becomes a test of the management, do they believe in their  H current employee, or, do they replace him with someone more friendly to  the application vendor.   $ Don't think so, just ask Alan Greig.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:50:29 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> ' Subject: RE: The Hole in Cerner's Logic T Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401ED12A0@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----3 > From: Dave Froble [mailto:davef@tsoft-inc.com]=20 ! > Sent: December 15, 2006 2:20 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ) > Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic  >=20
 [snip ...]     >=20: > "<VMS advocate> isn't in touch with today's trends in=20 > applications.  We=20J > can provide you with a list of people who can help you migrate to our=20= > Unix product and manage your IT application in the future."  >=20G > Then it becomes a test of the management, do they believe in their=20 @ > current employee, or, do they replace him with someone more=20 > friendly to=20 > the application vendor.  >=20& > Don't think so, just ask Alan Greig. >=20 > --=20 6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450@ > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com > DFE Ultralights, Inc.  > 170 Grimplin Road  > Vanderbilt, PA  15486  >=20  E Regardless of how its gets spun, the cost from a Customer perspective C will be in the millions of $'s to change OS platforms. Custom code, A backup archiving changes, support ISV changes, add-on apps, staff F re-training, license changes, re-cert efforts (remember we are talkingG Health and medical systems here) .. With OpenVMS Integrity, new servers H could be introduced in a phased manner into the cluster at the same timeH as Alpha servers. Security, batch jobs, RMS files would all be the same.  A Moving to any UNIX platform typically means a big bang switch.=20   E In the end, it is the Customer Senior Management who has all the pull ; when it comes to providing appropriate feedback to any ISV.    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.690 ************************