1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 16 Dec 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 691       Contents: Re: Depth of 19" racks ? Free Full Version Agv Antivirus  Free Full Version Agv Antivirus , Re: increase in spam and what to do about it, Re: Suggestion for F$SEARCH (starting point), Re: Suggestion for F$SEARCH (starting point), Re: Suggestion for F$SEARCH (starting point), Re: Suggestion for F$SEARCH (starting point) Re: Temporary files and JAVA Re: Temporary files and JAVA
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 Re: thank you  Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic RE: The Hole in Cerner's Logic Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic' tool to move accounts from VAX to Alpha 9 Re: VAX VMS 7.3, ana/disk running out of virtual memory ? 9 Re: VAX VMS 7.3, ana/disk running out of virtual memory ?   Windows Media Player 11 Released  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:54:52 GMT ' From: ChrisQuayle <nospam@devnul.co.uk> ! Subject: Re: Depth of 19" racks ? 6 Message-ID: <gFUgh.10998$UC.3639@newsfe5-win.ntli.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote:  > E >>>19" racks come in various depths.  The mounting rails also come in  >>I >>various depths.  I have seen mounting rail "extenders" but I don't know J >>where you would buy them.  I'm sure that HP sells racks with appropriate= >>depth for DS10Ls but they probably cost more the the DS10L.  >  >  > Thanks for the info. > F > The rack mount kit for the DS10L is just a rail, not a a drawer withC > extendable arms. So it isn't really worth spending money on. I'll 6 > probably end up making some rails out of fibreglass. > E > The disadvantage is that it becomes very hard to do any maintenance H > while the unit is still running (for instance chcking airflow inside).J > Many modern servers are on extendable arims that allow the unit to fullyF > slide out of the rack and still be held by the arms, allowing you to6 > lift open the cover while the unit is still running.  H Quite a lot of the ball bearing style slide out runners are extendable. G Often the rack side part is in two sections, with a set of screw holes  I to enable adjustment of length. The good quality ones are expensive new,  E but the dealers quite often throw them away, so it may be worthwhile  H paying a visit to your favourite recycler. The other way is to fit tray < style guides in the rack, but it's not such a tidy solution.  H If you have hardware of the quality of a DS10, it's worthwhile doing it G right, (penny pinching not to ?) then you never have to think about it   again :-)...   Chris    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Dec 2006 08:45:30 -0800' From: "Priyank" <priyank1990@gmail.com> ( Subject: Free Full Version Agv AntivirusB Message-ID: <1166287530.060007.113410@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>   click here to downloadH :http://downloadhub.uni.cc/search/detail.php?category=13&sub=185&id=2914  A With this free distribution version of the popular AVG Anti-Virus A system, you will get a reliable tool for your computer protection  against computer viruses.   	 Features:   $     * Automatic update functionalityE     * The AVG Resident Shield, which provides real-time protection as % files are opened and programs are run 8     * The AVG E-mail Scanner, which protects your e-mailA     * The AVG On-Demand Scanner, which allows the user to perform  scheduled and manual testsA     * Free Virus Database Updates for the lifetime of the product 9     * AVG Virus Vault for safe handling of infected files "     * Great customer satisfaction!  F Please note that any previous version of AVG Free will be un-installed: automatically during the installation of the new AVG Free.  E AVG Free Edition is for private, non-commercial, single home computer 	 use only.    click here to downloadH :http://downloadhub.uni.cc/search/detail.php?category=13&sub=185&id=2914   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Dec 2006 08:47:47 -0800$ From: admin.softwaresearch@gmail.com( Subject: Free Full Version Agv AntivirusC Message-ID: <1166287667.679492.212820@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>    click here to downloadH :http://downloadhub.uni.cc/search/detail.php?category=13&sub=185&id=2914  A With this free distribution version of the popular AVG Anti-Virus A system, you will get a reliable tool for your computer protection  against computer viruses.   	 Features:   $     * Automatic update functionalityE     * The AVG Resident Shield, which provides real-time protection as % files are opened and programs are run 8     * The AVG E-mail Scanner, which protects your e-mailA     * The AVG On-Demand Scanner, which allows the user to perform  scheduled and manual testsA     * Free Virus Database Updates for the lifetime of the product 9     * AVG Virus Vault for safe handling of infected files "     * Great customer satisfaction!  F Please note that any previous version of AVG Free will be un-installed: automatically during the installation of the new AVG Free.  E AVG Free Edition is for private, non-commercial, single home computer 	 use only.    click here to downloadH :http://downloadhub.uni.cc/search/detail.php?category=13&sub=185&id=2914   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Dec 2006 05:42:44 -0800% From: Harvested.From.Usenet@gmail.com 5 Subject: Re: increase in spam and what to do about it B Message-ID: <1166276564.588088.134300@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>   Steven M. Schweda wrote:R > From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)  G > > Is there some place one can send spam and hope that charges will be % > > filed against the spammer?  [...]  > J >    Charges?  Surely you jest.  You can complain to the sender's ISP, andG > hope for the best.  I would not hold my breath waiting for the PLA to I > send tanks to the homes of every compromised Windows system in the PRC.   F One of the DMA's biggest pushes for what's there is to eliminate stateC laws. By putting a diluted law such as UCS2003, they were hoping to F lock states out, although some states are finding ways to "fill in the* gaps" and not require federal involvement.  E I'm waiting for a state to pass a law against hiring a spammer. After F all, no money, no spammers.  The spammers get the attention, not their
 clientele.  C If you made it possible for them to activate Wonder Twin Powers: 1) B individual pursuit; 2) long arm of the law; to be enacted within aD state so you could chase those who paid for the spam you receive, itB might induce second thoughts if a few wins were to occur. Now thatC larger companies are hiring spammers [more & more], you wouldn't be E able to compete in court, but you could get rid of the minor players. D Prodding the local news media to cover big companies hiring spammersC during sweeps might help a bit, particularly if they were to post a D snailmail address or direct phone number in lieu of an email address  which is forwarded to Dave Null.  ? The other technique would be to make those who have the "FREE*" F messages (providing some desired trinket in return for buying services@ which meet or beat the cost of that doo-dad) to place the stringA "FREE*" so people know the offer isn't actually "FREE"; as in "no G strings attached". Aside from a couple of those in the news, all of the 7 fundamental UCS2003 requirements, one bite at the apple  notwithstanding.  C (re: this address. I've only recently started using it, but so far,  I've received a single 419.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 08:00:06 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> 5 Subject: Re: Suggestion for F$SEARCH (starting point) J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-976060.08000616122006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  E In article <gRKgh.119$iA7.99@newsfe03.lga>, "Ray" <no@spam.me> wrote:   L > > It would be really nice to be able to restart the command procedure withI > > a way to get F$SEARCH to start with a specific file and then continue , > > with the [000000...]*.*;* specification. > > I > > I have no idea how this could/should be implemented. Perhaps some new J > > lexical that would set a context which F$SEARCH could then start from. > N > At the risk of stating the obvious, if you know where you want to start backN > up, modify your existing script to just check what is returned from F$SEARCH8 > and skip processing until you get to the desired file.  E Alternatively, write the output from a F$SEARCH to a sequential file. I Then process the contents of the sequential file using the batch restart  	 facility.   D Reading up a sequential file has to be a lot faster than restarting  F$SEARCH from scratch.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Dec 2006 06:49:00 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: Suggestion for F$SEARCH (starting point) 3 Message-ID: <Rd86QyO53LKf@eisner.encompasserve.org>   | In article <paul.sture.nospam-976060.08000616122006@mac.sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes:G > In article <gRKgh.119$iA7.99@newsfe03.lga>, "Ray" <no@spam.me> wrote:  > M >> > It would be really nice to be able to restart the command procedure with J >> > a way to get F$SEARCH to start with a specific file and then continue- >> > with the [000000...]*.*;* specification.  >> >J >> > I have no idea how this could/should be implemented. Perhaps some newK >> > lexical that would set a context which F$SEARCH could then start from.  >>  O >> At the risk of stating the obvious, if you know where you want to start back O >> up, modify your existing script to just check what is returned from F$SEARCH 9 >> and skip processing until you get to the desired file.  > G > Alternatively, write the output from a F$SEARCH to a sequential file. K > Then process the contents of the sequential file using the batch restart   > facility.   A It is not clear to me how the search context got scrozzled in the F first place.  Be aware of the capability for multiple search contexts, in case that helps.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Dec 2006 07:26:27 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>5 Subject: Re: Suggestion for F$SEARCH (starting point) C Message-ID: <1166282787.391128.256100@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:~ > In article <paul.sture.nospam-976060.08000616122006@mac.sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes:I > > In article <gRKgh.119$iA7.99@newsfe03.lga>, "Ray" <no@spam.me> wrote:  > > O > >> > It would be really nice to be able to restart the command procedure with L > >> > a way to get F$SEARCH to start with a specific file and then continue/ > >> > with the [000000...]*.*;* specification.  > >> >L > >> > I have no idea how this could/should be implemented. Perhaps some newM > >> > lexical that would set a context which F$SEARCH could then start from.  > >>Q > >> At the risk of stating the obvious, if you know where you want to start back Q > >> up, modify your existing script to just check what is returned from F$SEARCH ; > >> and skip processing until you get to the desired file.  > > I > > Alternatively, write the output from a F$SEARCH to a sequential file. L > > Then process the contents of the sequential file using the batch restart
 > > facility.  > C > It is not clear to me how the search context got scrozzled in the H > first place.  Be aware of the capability for multiple search contexts, > in case that helps.   G The search context got "grozzled" by the fact that the system went down  due to a power outage.     AEF    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Dec 2006 08:57:22 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>5 Subject: Re: Suggestion for F$SEARCH (starting point) C Message-ID: <1166288242.554825.251770@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>    Paul Sture wrote: G > In article <gRKgh.119$iA7.99@newsfe03.lga>, "Ray" <no@spam.me> wrote:  > N > > > It would be really nice to be able to restart the command procedure withK > > > a way to get F$SEARCH to start with a specific file and then continue . > > > with the [000000...]*.*;* specification. > > > K > > > I have no idea how this could/should be implemented. Perhaps some new L > > > lexical that would set a context which F$SEARCH could then start from. > > P > > At the risk of stating the obvious, if you know where you want to start backP > > up, modify your existing script to just check what is returned from F$SEARCH: > > and skip processing until you get to the desired file. > G > Alternatively, write the output from a F$SEARCH to a sequential file. J > Then process the contents of the sequential file using the batch restart > facility.  > E > Reading up a sequential file has to be a lot faster than restarting  > F$SEARCH from scratch. >  > -- > Paul Sture  : How about doing $ DIRECTORY/NOHEADER/NOTRAILER [000000...]D /OUT=SEQ.FILE and then reading from SEQ.FILE, skipping processing on5 the files that were done before the system went down?    AEF    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 10:29:09 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> % Subject: Re: Temporary files and JAVA ; Message-ID: <45840fa9$0$1620$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   < "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote in message ' news:4583E084.D57144BC@vaxination.ca... J > one JAVA app accessed via Mozilla (a NASA shuttle countdown timer) wouldF > update images on the page at regular intervals. It is one of the few2 > JAVA apps on the net that actually works on VMS. > J > Leaving it running for perhaps an hour. I have now realised that it leftI > over 800 files (.JPGs and some control file associated with each). When < > I moved to a different page, those files were NOT deleted. > F > Shouldn't JAVA do "garbage collection" on temporary files as well as > in-memory structures ? > < > It is normal that it leaves files lying around like that ? >   B You should trying running the same app on Windoz for a comparison.  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:50:51 -0500 7 From: "Tom Simpson" <thomas.simpson1@fubar.comcast.net> % Subject: Re: Temporary files and JAVA : Message-ID: <4pmdnTFfvd5grBnYnZ2dnUVZ_tW3nZ2d@comcast.com>  C My guess it is a by-product of running a Unix/Windows app in a VMS   environment.M New file versions are generated in VMS.  It's not an issue in the others, so  $ no cleanup programming was required.  L It's the difference between porting an application to a new environment and ' getting it to run in a new environment.    Regards, Tom   < "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote in message ' news:4583E084.D57144BC@vaxination.ca... J > one JAVA app accessed via Mozilla (a NASA shuttle countdown timer) wouldF > update images on the page at regular intervals. It is one of the few2 > JAVA apps on the net that actually works on VMS. > J > Leaving it running for perhaps an hour. I have now realised that it leftI > over 800 files (.JPGs and some control file associated with each). When < > I moved to a different page, those files were NOT deleted. > F > Shouldn't JAVA do "garbage collection" on temporary files as well as > in-memory structures ? > = > It is normal that it leaves files lying around like that ?     ------------------------------    Date: 16 Dec 2006 08:44:37 -0800) From: "Sue" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: thank youC Message-ID: <1166287477.058094.296980@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   C I am honored by your words but in truth I am just a mouth piece for D just about everyone in engineering.  I only wish I had a fraction ofD their technical talent.  This week we had an amazing VMS AmbassadorsG meeting.  And when I sit there an listen to folks Like Andy G and Brian = A and Richard B presenting and then responding to questions I D understand that it really is every part of the circle that makes theB wheel  work.  With out you there would be no demand, with out them4 there would be nothing to have demand for and so on.  
 Thank you. Sue      William Webb wrote: I > On 15 Dec 2006 16:59:20 -0800, Sue <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote:  > > Dear Newsgroup,  > > I > > I just sent this and now wanted to post it hear since you are also so  > > important to me. > >  > > Big hug, > > sue  > > % > > Distribution lists (Dear Friends)  > > K > > At this time of the year I always like to take some time to think about K > > all the reasons I have to be thankful and there are so many.  But I can K > > honestly say after 21 years at the same company (sort of) to still wake J > > up in the morning and to be happy to go to work is a huge reason to be
 > > happy. > > F > > My dear friends I know most of you personally.  You are an amazingE > > group of folks that every day surprises me in one way or another. H > > Normally, it's by your loyalty to OpenVMS and you show that, usuallyH > > by helping each other or by getting upset when you feel we have beenI > > slighted, and sometimes it's by sending me information or a very cool B > > tidbit about VMS. Thank you for making my days so interesting. > > F > > Those of you who have been to an awards dinner know that one of my9 > > favorite sayings is from Martin Luther King which is; J > > "...the ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments ofI > > convenience and moments of comfort, but where he stands in moments of H > > challenge and moments of controversy."  These are extremely powerfulF > > words, it's easy to be friends and stick together when there is noJ > > challenge the true test is where you will be when hardship comes.  YouJ > > who are Customers and Partners have stuck with us through two mergers,J > > 7 CEO's, 3 architectures and countless rumors of our demise. Thank youK > > for your loyalty and courage  The internal folks you have done all that E > > in addition to deal with all the internal family things and still B > > manage to deliver an amazingly elegant Operating System.  I amH > > privileged and honored to work with and for you every day. Thank you6 > > all for letting me have the best job in the world. > > J > > We have so many new and exciting things to look forward to in 2007 and& > > I look forward to working with you > >  > > Warm regards as always,  > >  > > Sue Skonetski  > >  > >  > G > It is those of us in the user community who are indebted to you, Sue.  > F > You are without a doubt the most vocal and tireless advocate for VMS > in the entire world. > E > This long-time customer is of the opinion that it is your unceasing ; > advocacy and persistent promotion of VMS which contribute F > significantly to the maintenance of VMS' visiblity to the higher-ups > at HP. > H > I was listening to an interview with Chris Gardner, the author of "TheF > Pursuit of Happyness" (the Will Smith movie that's just coming out). > H > He made some very incisive comments about doing what you loved and itsC > importance to being successful.  You just described that, and you  > personify it.  >  > WWWebb   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Dec 2006 09:55:42 -0800) From: "Sue" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: thank youC Message-ID: <1166291742.316819.277040@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   D of course, I will not give lists of engineers but there are a lot ofF names you would know.  Just so folks know Hoff came to the round houseE at the Ambassadors representing his new company.  Also as another FYI D we have had over 700 folks listen to the first VMS audio cast if you* are not aware of this look on OpenVMS.org.   Sue    Bill Todd wrote: > Sue wrote: >  > ...  > 3 > > when I sit there an listen to folks Like Andy G  > I > It's been several years since I've seen Andy, and I wondered whether he F > had survived the multiple rounds of layoffs.  Is anyone else who was3 > part of the original VMS design team still there?  >  > - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Dec 2006 09:57:42 -0800) From: "Sue" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: thank youC Message-ID: <1166291862.340932.218020@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   D By the way the "of course" was meant as bad news is what always getsC communicated.  Not many folks send mail saying hey I am still here,  doing fine.    Sue      Bill Todd wrote: > Sue wrote: >  > ...  > 3 > > when I sit there an listen to folks Like Andy G  > I > It's been several years since I've seen Andy, and I wondered whether he F > had survived the multiple rounds of layoffs.  Is anyone else who was3 > part of the original VMS design team still there?  >  > - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Dec 2006 17:27:28 -0500. From: brooks@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks)' Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic , Message-ID: <0ImGRcljpyOz@cuebid.zko.hp.com>  ) ChrisQuayle <nospam@devnul.co.uk> writes:  > Main, Kerry wrote: > I >> The big differentiator for the initial phase for evaluators is not the I >> OS platform as that is way down on their list, but rather the business J >> plan, the applications proposed, the organizaqtion, program management, >> security processes etc.   > Some news K > feature recently showed hp monitors, so I guess hp hardware is involved,  E > at least on the desktop, but why are hp not pursuing this business  * > agressively with vms for the back end ?.  6 What evidence do you have to support your supposition?   --    H Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.hp.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 03:27:19 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ' Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic 9 Message-ID: <tKGdnUy21u5eMB7YnZ2dnUVZ_t2tnZ2d@libcom.com>    Main, Kerry wrote: >> -----Original Message----- 2 >> From: Dave Froble [mailto:davef@tsoft-inc.com] " >> Sent: December 15, 2006 2:20 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com* >> Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic >> > [snip ...] >  > 9 >> "<VMS advocate> isn't in touch with today's trends in   >> applications.  We  I >> can provide you with a list of people who can help you migrate to our  > >> Unix product and manage your IT application in the future." >>F >> Then it becomes a test of the management, do they believe in their ? >> current employee, or, do they replace him with someone more   >> friendly to   >> the application vendor. >>' >> Don't think so, just ask Alan Greig.  >> >> -- 7 >> David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450 A >> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com  >> DFE Ultralights, Inc. >> 170 Grimplin Road >> Vanderbilt, PA  15486 >> >    Oh boy, this is a good one!   G > Regardless of how its gets spun, the cost from a Customer perspective 8 > will be in the millions of $'s to change OS platforms.   Yes, agreed, but read on.    > Custom code,C > backup archiving changes, support ISV changes, add-on apps, staff H > re-training, license changes, re-cert efforts (remember we are talking" > Health and medical systems here)  H Now it gets real good.  Do keep in mind that a change from Alpha/VMS to F itanic VMS also can require some of what you list, and most certainly  the re-cert efforts.  B Now if this is so bad, then why did the idiots you work for think I nothing of killing Alpha?  Why weren't they concerned about the costs to   the customers in that case?   G And what do we get from the Alphacide?  ISVs who consider HP just "too  F spooky" to continue to base their business on HP products.  First the 4 hardware is lost, and now the applications are lost.  ( > .. With OpenVMS Integrity, new serversJ > could be introduced in a phased manner into the cluster at the same timeJ > as Alpha servers. Security, batch jobs, RMS files would all be the same.   Yes, agreed.  A > Moving to any UNIX platform typically means a big bang switch.    E But that's the topic.  ISVs potentially pushing their customers into  F your "big bang switch".  It's not the customers who want to drop VMS. 3 It's the application vendors that want to drop VMS.   G > In the end, it is the Customer Senior Management who has all the pull = > when it comes to providing appropriate feedback to any ISV.   H Agreed.  If the "Customer Senior Management" is pushing on the ISV, the E ISV is going to listen.  But if the ISV thinks they can win over the  6 "Customer Senior Management", the IT guys are screwed.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 08:51:08 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> ' Subject: RE: The Hole in Cerner's Logic T Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401ED135B@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----3 > From: Dave Froble [mailto:davef@tsoft-inc.com]=20 ! > Sent: December 16, 2006 3:27 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ) > Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic  >=20  
 [snip ...]   > Custom code,C > backup archiving changes, support ISV changes, add-on apps, staff H > re-training, license changes, re-cert efforts (remember we are talking" > Health and medical systems here)  G >> Now it gets real good.  Do keep in mind that a change from Alpha/VMS  to=20 H >> itanic VMS also can require some of what you list, and most certainly   >> the re-cert efforts.   = Absolutely. But we are talking about a relative 1-10 scale of G Alpha-Integrity HW on same OS as being about a 2-3 vs a complete change G of OS and HW being about 8-9 in terms of risk, $'s, re-training, effort  etc.   >=20? > Agreed.  If the "Customer Senior Management" is pushing on=20  > the ISV, the=20 I > ISV is going to listen.  But if the ISV thinks they can win over the=20 8 > "Customer Senior Management", the IT guys are screwed. >=20 > --=20 6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450@ > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com > DFE Ultralights, Inc.  > 170 Grimplin Road  > Vanderbilt, PA  15486  >=20  F So, loosely translated - "If the Customer Senior Management is willingH to disrupt their entire org and pay many millions of $'s to change theirD entire proven solution infrastructure stack on the basis of a single> Application ISV, then what the IT Guys say means very little."  F I would have to agree with this translated statement i.e. the IT group? has little to say. However, it does not say much for the senior G management of that particular organization in terms of their ability to   manage their solution providers.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 18:16:19 GMT ' From: ChrisQuayle <nospam@devnul.co.uk> ' Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic 6 Message-ID: <TJWgh.8380$493.1271@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>   Main, Kerry wrote:   > H > So, loosely translated - "If the Customer Senior Management is willingJ > to disrupt their entire org and pay many millions of $'s to change theirF > entire proven solution infrastructure stack on the basis of a single@ > Application ISV, then what the IT Guys say means very little." > H > I would have to agree with this translated statement i.e. the IT groupA > has little to say. However, it does not say much for the senior I > management of that particular organization in terms of their ability to " > manage their solution providers. > 	 > Regards  >  > Kerry Main  E Nor in their ability to delegate responsibility to those they pay to  D have just that expertise. Sadly common in company and public sector  management at all levels.   6 The best managers end up with nothing to do etc :-)...   Chris    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Dec 2006 09:27:09 -0800 From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net0 Subject: tool to move accounts from VAX to AlphaB Message-ID: <1166290029.741001.243240@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>   Hello ' Is there any easy way to do do this??    thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 01:50:53 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>B Subject: Re: VAX VMS 7.3, ana/disk running out of virtual memory ?- Message-ID: <45839728.E0178C73@vaxination.ca>   
 An update.  B I was wondering why ANA/DISK/REPAIR didn't find multiply allocated@ blocks or blocks incorrectly marked free. But  Mr van der Burg.sH explanation made me realise it was in fact normal. The driver wrote dataB in blocks that didn't belong to the file. So the allocation bitmapC wasn't corrupted.  And when I deleted the container file, the right F blocks were made free without causing any blocks used by real files to be marked free.     G Question: on Alpha VMS 8.3,  would the file caching subsystem have been C aware of the LD driver updating blocks belonging to files that were C already cached ?  If not, it would explain why Mozilla continued to D function for some time because of the various files it had that wereF cached and thus Mozilla unaware that those files would no longer validH on disk and then functionality began to slowly degrade until it wouldn'tG function anymore (the _MOZILLA directory in my sts$login was one of the  files zapped by the LDdriver.     : Also, I finally got to run my disk analyser to completion.  > -------------------------------------------------------------- Total files: 33285   Bad files: 314) Blocks total: 10434277     Bad: 836246 8%   #                 Total           Bad ! IDX             552             8 " EXE             847             15" OBJ             858             25# TXT             30889           239 " ZIP             139             27! DIR             0               0 > --------------------------------------------------------------  ( Some 1800 files were placed in [SYSLOST]  D Of the index files, a couple were signaled as bad to the files being. locked.  Some EXEs were actually PC/DOS files.  = For the OBJ files, I suspect the corruption rate is genuine.    F For the text files, I used TYPE/OUTPUT=NLA0:, but my login caught someC non-text files that had RFM=VAR (I had excluded decw$book files but  forgot many others).  F ZIP files were tested with UNZIP -t . However, this included some .ZIPG files that came from the mac and were transfered as macbinary (with 128 E extra bytes at the tip). And also., UNZIP -t complained about some of H the JAVA files in my mozilla directory that ended with .ZIP. (would java2 files in a .ZIP container be bonafide .ZIP files ?  8 DIR indicated 0 files because I fixed them all manually.  E Of the 1800 files, there are an awfull lot of what appears to be .ZIP   4 I didn't test any of my many WPSPLUS files (.WPL).    E One of the indexed file is a critical ALLIN1 shared area index. It is C some 46000 blocks. The first 40,000 appear undamaged. The last 3000 E appear undamaged. So I'll have to try to find some way to extract the F good portions of the file and then rebuild it. I have a backup that isE about a year old, and will probably want to merge it intelligently to G include records pointing to files that are still there but no longer in F the reconstructed file. (this file contain all sorts of document/email7 file attributes such as the from, to,cc, subjecrt etc).    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Dec 2006 06:24:53 -0800< From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com>B Subject: Re: VAX VMS 7.3, ana/disk running out of virtual memory ?B Message-ID: <1166279093.404192.43600@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > An update. : G > One of the indexed file is a critical ALLIN1 shared area index. It is E > some 46000 blocks. The first 40,000 appear undamaged. The last 3000 G > appear undamaged. So I'll have to try to find some way to extract the 0 > good portions of the file and then rebuild it.  @ Find the last valid data level bucket in the in the first chunk.F Use my ZAP tool to patch its next pointer to point the the first valid bucket in the last chunk. B Try CONVERT... it will probably barf as a result of a bucket splitB points it back into the missing zone. Patch you way forward, using$ INDEX buckets as hints for the next.@ In the end you may need CONVERT/SORT if you got the order wrong.G Only focous on the primary key, convert does not need the alternate for  extract.   > I have a backup that is G > about a year old, and will probably want to merge it intelligently to I > include records pointing to files that are still there but no longer in  > the reconstructed file.   C Good plan. You may also use its level-1 index (with ANA/RMS/INT ... C DO... DO.. DO KE.. DO IND.. DO.. DO.. DO......  as a suggestion for + where buckets might be in the current file.    Hein.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Dec 2006 08:48:15 -0800$ From: admin.softwaresearch@gmail.com) Subject: Windows Media Player 11 Released B Message-ID: <1166287694.939217.187790@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>    Windows Media Player 11 Released   click here to download7 (http://downloadhub.uni.cc/category/detail.php?id=5951) E Windows Media Player 11 for Windows XP offers great new ways to store D and enjoy all your music, video, pictures, and recorded TV. 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