1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 17 Dec 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 693       Contents: Re: Depth of 19" racks ?- DIGITAL logo on Alpha and VAX OpenVMS systems # Re: Free Full Version Agv Antivirus # Re: Free Full Version Agv Antivirus , Re: Suggestion for F$SEARCH (starting point), Re: Suggestion for F$SEARCH (starting point) Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic RE: The Hole in Cerner's Logic  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 10:52:39 -0600 ! From: VMSguy <vmsguy@comcast.net> ! Subject: Re: Depth of 19" racks ? * Message-ID: <458575D7.7000103@comcast.net>  F The real question of the 19" rack - is not necessarily the depth, but 1 how many people you can stack  into the rack?!?!?    Richard B. Gilbert wrote:    > JF Mezei wrote:  > & >> OK, here is where I am coming from: >>K >> Q5 Microvax II cabinet, stripped down to what appeared to be a 19" rack. < >> The width and the spacing of holes on the front are fine. >>I >> However, the DS10L rackmount kit has brackets that are not long enough ; >> to reach between the front portion and the rear portion.  >>@ >> Are 19" racks of different depths without a single standard ? >>H >> Or are there a couple of standards for 19" racks with the more modern >> one usually shallower ? >  > E > 19" racks come in various depths.  The mounting rails also come in  E > various depths.  I have seen mounting rail "extenders" but I don't  D > know where you would buy them.  I'm sure that HP sells racks with I > appropriate depth for DS10Ls but they probably cost more the the DS10L.  >    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Dec 2006 10:16:20 -0800* From: "maximuslivius" <lgemedia@gmail.com>6 Subject: DIGITAL logo on Alpha and VAX OpenVMS systemsB Message-ID: <1166379380.586898.44970@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Greetings to you all,   0 To those of you who want to display the original1  D I G I T A L  logo on the OpenVMS login screen,  here go the directions:    *** on VAX Systems ***  - 1. Download the logo file: DEC-brazilian-9.pm  (it is a xpm ascii file) from :   8 http://www.freewebs.com/liviusmaximus/DEC-brazilian-9.pm: http://www.freewebs.com/liviusmaximus/digital-logo.zip (?)  < 2. Copy the following setup template to a command procedure:  < $ copy SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]DECW$PRIVATE_APPS_SETUP.TEMPLATE -. SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]DECW$PRIVATE_APPS_SETUP.COM   3. Edit the command file:   9 $ edit/edt SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]DECW$PRIVATE_APPS_SETUP.COM   1 $ !     -  A customized logo used during loginout ( $ !             SYMBOL  = DECW$LOGINLOGO8 $ !             VALUES  = DCL command procedure filespec $ !             DEFAULT = None $!...include :1 $        DECW$LOGINLOGO == "SYS$MANAGER:LOGO.COM"  $!  2 4. Create and edit the file SYS$MANAGER:LOGO.COM :   $! LOGO.COM  $!# $! DECW$LOGINLOGO Command Procedure  $!2 $ SET DISPLAY/CREATE/TRANSPORT=LOCAL/NODE=VAX/USER# $ XV == "$SYS$SYSTEM:XV.EXE_VVMS61"  $! $! DEC logo (huge) $!F $ XV -viewonly -geometry 827x262+225+83 SYS$MANAGER:DEC-brazilian-9.pm $! $! $! DEC logo (traditional)  $!) $! XV -viewonly -geometry 618x192+324+153  SYS$MANAGER:DEC-brazilian-9.pm $!  F 5. Install XV version VVMS61 from FREEWARE V.4 cdrom at the SYS$SYSTEM
 directory.  C 6. End the session (or reboot). Next login session will display the  nice  D I G I T A L  logo.   *** on Alpha Systems ***  ( 1.  Download the logo file: DECDTLOGO.PM (it is a xpm ascii file) from:  2 http://www.freewebs.com/liviusmaximus/decdtlogo.pm: http://www.freewebs.com/liviusmaximus/digital-logo.zip (?)   2. Create the directory:# CDE$USER_COMMON:[APPCONFIG.ICONS.C]     3. Copy the file DECDTLOGO.PM to# CDE$USER_COMMON:[APPCONFIG.ICONS.C]    4. Create the directory: CDE$USER_COMMON:[CONFIG]  - 5. Copy XCONFIG.DAT from SYSTEM to USER area: . $ copy CDE$SYSTEM_COMMON:[CONFIG]XCONFIG.DAT - CDE$USER_COMMON:[CONFIG]/lo    6. Create the directory: CDE$USER_COMMON:[CONFIG.C]  0 7. Copy XRESOURCES.DAT from SYSTEM to USER area:3 $ copy CDE$SYSTEM_COMMON:[CONFIG.C]XRESOURCES.DAT -  CDE$USER_COMMON:[CONFIG.C]/lo   
 8. Reboot.   Enjoy the DIGITAL logo!   
 Luiz Regis Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil  lgemedia@terra.com.br    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 23:06:29 +1100 3 From: "Scott Kane" <davidkane@NOSPAMozemail.com.au> , Subject: Re: Free Full Version Agv AntivirusJ Message-ID: <458532c4$0$21906$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>  4 "AnthonyL" <nospam@please.invalid> wrote in message ' news:45852eff.8269400@news.zen.co.uk...   H > why would anyone want to use other than the official site to download? > & > Go direct to http://free.grisoft.com  K They wouldn't.  I really wish these download site clones would vanish from  M the net.  They offer no value and are questionable as to the safety of their   content.  
 Scott Kane$ Moderator comp.software.shareware.*    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 06:23:38 -0800 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>, Subject: Re: Free Full Version Agv Antivirus) Message-ID: <op.tkpjlod6tte90l@hyrrokkin>   0 On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 05:37:22 -0800, Scott Kane  ' <davidkane@NOSPAMozemail.com.au> wrote:   / > "Sable" <sablegs94@yahoo.ca> wrote in message ? > news:1166358285.570140.258130@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...  > H >> Makes you wonder when you see the title... Isn't Grisoft disposing of$ >> the free version in the new year? > J > So I'm told.  Though I have also heard they are to be offering something > else.   Intel bought into them last year@ http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20050906corp.htm6 I've  been using them for several years (paid version) > J >> I do agree with your request of these download site clones. They're a   >> PITA  >> in my opinion.  > 4 > Yep.  The web doesn't need anymore download sites. >  > Scott  >  >        --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 12:19:46 +0100 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> 5 Subject: Re: Suggestion for F$SEARCH (starting point) 0 Message-ID: <4ukogsF186dtaU2@mid.individual.net>  - On 2006-12-17 05:36, "Stephen Hoffman" wrote:    > [...]  > K >    Probably the biggest hardware expenditure for a hobbyist would be for  K > a decent-quality tape drive, if you want real BACKUP storage.  VXA, AIT,  I > DLT.  I'd personally tend to avoid DDS/DAT or low-end tape, or low-end  H > removable storage.  CD and DVD are nice, but are both slow and small. G > Some extra SCSI disks in a shelf can potentially be a less expensive  - > option here for an archival storage medium.   E Out of curiosity: Do LTO drives work reliably on Alpha systems? (Even B recent DLT drives are not "officially supported" on a DS15A system0 running VMS -- according to the PDF QuickSpecs.)   Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 10:07:48 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> 5 Subject: Re: Suggestion for F$SEARCH (starting point) : Message-ID: <ZNydna-XKOajwBjYnZ2dnUVZ_vWtnZ2d@comcast.com>   JF Mezei wrote:    > Stephen Hoffman wrote: > G >>   There is the batch-restart mechanism available within the existing G >>queue manager, though that would require modifications to the command  >>procedure.   >  <snip> > J >>   While you're suggesting this enhancement to HP (or the implementationD >>of full checkpoint-restart), also consider adding a UPS (as sagely >>suggested by Mr Dachtera), >  > H > I would actually require multiple UPSs. My machines are not all on theH > same circuit. And in the case of a batch job taking hours to complete,* > the UPS wouldn't have made a difference. >   B Best practice is to have gasoline or diesel powered generators of I adequate capacity to back up the UPS.  It's practically a requirement if  C you need/want to be up 24x7x365.  The generators needs a fuel tank  I and/or auxiliary supply sufficient to outlast the longest possible power  H outrage.  A three day supply should at least give you time to find more F fuel except in the most extreme circumstances.  You need at least two H such generators so that one can be shut down for refueling, oil changes I and other necessary maintenance.  The generators need to be exercised at  ? least monthly to ensure that they will be operable when needed.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 11:29:26 GMT ' From: ChrisQuayle <nospam@devnul.co.uk> ' Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic 7 Message-ID: <qS9hh.12787$Qa6.3676@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:  M >>>>feature recently showed hp monitors, so I guess hp hardware is involved,  G >>>>at least on the desktop, but why are hp not pursuing this business  , >>>>agressively with vms for the back end ?. >>>  >>> 9 >>>What evidence do you have to support your supposition?  >>>  >>: >>Rob - are you asking me and if so, what supposition ?... >  > G > It is obvious from the wording you quoted that the supposition is the J > notion that HP is "not pursuing this business agressively (sic) with VMS > for the back end".  I Well, are they ?. If so, there's no sign of it in the trade press, or hp  D websites. One would think that if they had won a large slice of the 5 business, they would be telling everybody about it...    Chris    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Dec 2006 08:25:18 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ' Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic 3 Message-ID: <A1FfGJQ$3+Gh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <qS9hh.12787$Qa6.3676@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>, ChrisQuayle <nospam@devnul.co.uk> writes:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > N >>>>>feature recently showed hp monitors, so I guess hp hardware is involved, H >>>>>at least on the desktop, but why are hp not pursuing this business - >>>>>agressively with vms for the back end ?.  >>>> >>>>: >>>>What evidence do you have to support your supposition? >>>> >>> ; >>>Rob - are you asking me and if so, what supposition ?...  >>   >>  H >> It is obvious from the wording you quoted that the supposition is theK >> notion that HP is "not pursuing this business agressively (sic) with VMS  >> for the back end".  > K > Well, are they ?. If so, there's no sign of it in the trade press, or hp  F > websites. One would think that if they had won a large slice of the 7 > business, they would be telling everybody about it...   D 1. "Pursuing this business aggressively" which was advocated earlierE    is different from "winning this business" and HP does not have any C    direct control over the latter.  The notion that if VMS does not E    win HP did not try may follow the theme of some in this newsgroup, F    but it is certainly not true.  If it were true, then HP did not try;    in _any_ of the competitions where they did not prevail.   C 2. With representatives of other ISV's I attended a one day meeting D    with HP in Nashua New Hampshire last week with material presentedH    on a non-disclosure basis.  Most of the material was not particularlyC    relevant to my business, but at one session serveral of those in A    the audience said "you should trumpet this to the world".  The B    response was "we cannot, because it names particular customers.C    These customers have not given us permission to use their name." E    So the notion that trade press and HP websites will fully describe &    any VMS sales successes is fatuous. --  N ==============================================================================0 DoD Instruction 8500.2 field test sites wanted -- 	http://www.LJK.com/LJK/8500_2_fieldtest.html N ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 06:33:24 -0800 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>' Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic ) Message-ID: <op.tkpj1yk4tte90l@hyrrokkin>   6 On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:14:35 -0800, David J Dachtera  # <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> wrote:    > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >>G >> In article <iaWgh.12409$Qa6.491@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>, ChrisQuayle     >> <nospam@devnul.co.uk> writes: >> > Rob Brooks wrote:/ >> >> ChrisQuayle <nospam@devnul.co.uk> writes:  >> >>  >> >>>Main, Kerry wrote: >> >>> >> >>>K >> >>>>The big differentiator for the initial phase for evaluators is not    >> theF >> >>>>OS platform as that is way down on their list, but rather the   >> business D >> >>>>plan, the applications proposed, the organizaqtion, program   >> management, >> >>>>security processes etc. >> >>  >> >>  >> >>>Some news F >> >>>feature recently showed hp monitors, so I guess hp hardware is   >> involved,H >> >>>at least on the desktop, but why are hp not pursuing this business. >> >>>agressively with vms for the back end ?. >> >>  >> >> < >> >> What evidence do you have to support your supposition? >> >>  >> >= >> > Rob - are you asking me and if so, what supposition ?...  >>H >> It is obvious from the wording you quoted that the supposition is theK >> notion that HP is "not pursuing this business agressively (sic) with VMS  >> for the back end".  > L > Um, Larry? Y'know how folks here are constantly griping about VMS's lack   > of8 > visibility? ...not to mention its current predicament? >  > Are you on track with us now?  > K > Google this group for this thread, and the key words "stealth marketing".  > K > Also, remember that I still have a standing offer of $1,000 cash reward   	 > for the B > first verifiable (documented) sighting of an OpenVMS ad in the   > mainstream trade' > media. To date, it remains unclaimed.   D It makes no business to advertise VMS as is.  It needs a makeover,   rebranding, J in a similar manner to IBM's tranformation of MVS -> z/os, but alas, these/ skills are sadly lacking in the VMS organigram.    > K > I might also issue a counter-challenge to provide evidence that we (and    > the L > other major ISVs cited recently in this thread and this group) are wrong   > and F > OpenVMS *IS* being promoted among the ISVs and VARs, is not losing   > market shareL > or threatened in any way, is being ported both to platfoms more scalable   > than8 > I64 or Alpha and to popular, ubiquitous platforms, ... >        --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 11:18:27 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> ' Subject: RE: The Hole in Cerner's Logic T Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401ED13AF@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----? > From: David J Dachtera [mailto:djesys.no@spam.comcast.net]=20 ! > Sent: December 16, 2006 7:23 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ) > Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic  >=20  
 [snip ...]   >=20< > ...and since when is it my management responsibility to=20 > manage a solution @ > provider? My management's responsibility is to manage *OUR*=20 > IT operation, not A > anyone else's, and certainly not that of any of our vendors!=20  > Vendors who needG > that level of management usually find their place in the bankruptcy / ! > prosecution lines very quickly.  >=20  
 [snip ...]  E Wow, I am shocked .. Regardless of the OS/HW platform (Windows, z/OS, @ UNIX, Linux, OpenVMS, NetWare), of course it is your managementsA responsibilty to manage their vendors and that includes both your $ platform and application vendors.=20  F You are the Customer. When it hits your company big time in the pocketG book, who answers to the shareholders - your App ISV's or your platform  vendor or your management?  C All App *and* HW vendors on all platforms worry big time about Cust D acceptance have when they change strategies. They are always worriedD about what the Customer views are, so yes, your management does have
 influence.   Regards     
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.693 ************************      