1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 18 Dec 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 695       Contents: Re: /LGICMD suggestion Re: /LGICMD suggestion! Re: An example of a backup oddity ? Re: BACKUP questions  (cache, DVD and multiple container files) ? Re: BACKUP questions  (cache, DVD and multiple container files) ? Re: BACKUP questions  (cache, DVD and multiple container files)  Re: Depth of 19" racks ?# Re: Free Full Version Agv Antivirus # Re: Free Full Version Agv Antivirus % Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable again 4 Odd problem MAIL and DECW$MAIL (sequential MAIL.MAI) Problem with HSJ50 Disk device.  Rename oddity (Alpha 8.3) $ Re: Suggestion for bound volume sets, Re: Suggestion for F$SEARCH (starting point) Re: The Evil within! Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic+ Re: tool to move accounts from VAX to Alpha  VMS$AUDIT_SERVER.DAT$ Re: Windows Media Player 11 Released  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 18 Dec 2006 07:42:01 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: /LGICMD suggestion 3 Message-ID: <FdFNukjegLCl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   | In article <paul.sture.nospam-E2D633.18410115122006@mac.sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes:5 > In article <ksQ7CcS4l6qe@eisner.encompasserve.org>, ? >  koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:  > P >> In article <Wsrgh.7772$bj5.5647@trnddc07>, John Santos <john@egh.com> writes: >> >  O >> > I really hate it when I get an error message says "ask your system manager E >> > for assistance" and I am the system manager and have no clue :-(  >>  B >>    Bruce Ellis did a national DECUS session on just that topic. >  > Any tips that you recall?   >    Everything was fairly specific detail to particular errors.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:44:02 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch>  Subject: Re: /LGICMD suggestion J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-FF0923.16440218122006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  3 In article <FdFNukjegLCl@eisner.encompasserve.org>, =  koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:   M > In article <paul.sture.nospam-E2D633.18410115122006@mac.sture.homeip.net>,  3 > Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes: 7 > > In article <ksQ7CcS4l6qe@eisner.encompasserve.org>, A > >  koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:  > > K > >> In article <Wsrgh.7772$bj5.5647@trnddc07>, John Santos <john@egh.com>   > >> writes: > >> >  J > >> > I really hate it when I get an error message says "ask your system  > >> > managerG > >> > for assistance" and I am the system manager and have no clue :-(  > >>  D > >>    Bruce Ellis did a national DECUS session on just that topic. > >  > > Any tips that you recall?  > @ >    Everything was fairly specific detail to particular errors.  E OK. I think my first instance of that situation was when testing out  0 intrusion detection when it was just introduced.   Got locked out as intended.   I Couldn't find any pointer in the documentation on how to let myself back  @ in, except for "Consult your system manager". Grrr - I _was_ he.   Had to wait for the timeout :-(    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Dec 2006 04:36:32 -06004 From: cornelius@encompasserve.org (George Cornelius)* Subject: Re: An example of a backup oddity3 Message-ID: <wAFRgTvI77Je@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <45862D5A.38F8806F@vaxination.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:1 > Here is an example of not so obvious behaviour:  > B > $define/trans=(conc,term) source $disk2:[rebuild.<mumble>.NEWS.] > 5 > $SET DEF USRDIR:[JFMEZEI._MOZILLA.DEFAULT.<mumble>]  > / > $BACKUP/LOG SOURCE:[000000...]*.*  [.NEWS...]  > I > Expectation was that it could recreate the hiearchy contained in source F > under the .NEWS directory. Instead, BACKUP created everything in theG > [.NEWS] subdirectory. (the original has 3 directories under which are G > definitions applicable to each news server). Backyup did create the 3 P > directories in the source hiearchy, but it did not populate those directories.  C I think you have misinterpreted the results, JF.  What it does here L on EISNER (OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-1) is the following (0 is the top level copied,  both at source and destination):  B  level 0 files -> level 0, including level 1 source .DIR;1  files.?  level 1 files -> level 0,    "        "   2    "      "      " ?  level 2 files -> level 1,    "        "   3    "      "      " ?  level 3 files -> level 2,    "        "   4    "      "      "    ...   D It appears to be the same as if these steps (translating back to the, names in your example) were done separately:  !  $ BACKUP SOURCE:[000000] [.NEWS] %  $ BACKUP SOURCE:[dir1...] [.NEWS...] %  $ BACKUP SOURCE:[dir2...] [.NEWS...]      ...   F > Quite the mess to clean up now because there were valid files in theF > target [.news] directory so I can't delete everything and start from > scratch again.  I Agreed, but at least it is only one level of overlap instead of the whole F tree. Of course if some of the level 2 directory names are in conflictH you continue to have issues with tree overlap for one more level, and so on down the tree.   K I suppose BACKUP tries to treat a 000000 directory spec as a special case - K after all there really is a 000000.DIR on the top level of a FILES-11 disk, K and it can perhaps be considered as a peer to the other toplevel .DIR files I even though we, and the VMS utilities, tend to treat it properly as their J parent directory. Unfortunately not all concepts that work for the topmostI FILES-11 level translate directly to the rooted logicals case; hence this  anomalous behavior.   5 And I won't even try to determine how it would handle   !  SOURCE:[000000.000000.000000...]    --9 George Cornelius              cornelius@encompasserve.org 7                               cornelius@SPAMNOTmayo.edu    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:13:07 +0100 7 From: "Eberhard Heuser" <vaxinf@chemie.uni-konstanz.de> H Subject: Re: BACKUP questions  (cache, DVD and multiple container files)0 Message-ID: <018801c72284$bb26d420$05072286@vg2>   There are two options:  F 1. create a volume set of logical disks, each with the size of 4,3 GB.? Do a backup, dismount the volume set and burn each logical disk  separetely.   ; 2. Use my freeware program DVDarchive/restore that produces % DVDs in portions. See www.dvdwrite.de   C If you wait a little bit then you will see DVDwrite for dual layer  
 Blu-Ray-disks # with a capacity of more than 40 GB.    Eberhard ----- Original Message -----  0 From: "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com> ' Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 5:25 AM C Subject: BACKUP questions (cache, DVD and multiple container files)     G > On Alpha, with the disk caches, when you do a BACKUP/IMAGE of a disk, I > does backup fetch all data from disk blocks, or does it get blocks from , > cache when they are already in the cache ? > F > (In my case, when I did a back/up/image of a disk which had a driverI > erroneoulsly write blocks, there were cases where files loaded in cache E > still contained valid data whereas the disk copy was randomised, so G > would my saveset contain the good cached copy or the bad disk copy of  > the file ? >  >  > Second question: > E > Is it possible to do a backupo/image of a 30 gig disk onto DVD ? Or F > must there be a 30 gig drive where one can stage a series of 6 5 gigE > container files where backup/IMAGE will write the saveset to, after 5 > which one does the DVDWrite process to each drive ?  > I > I know that backup is able to write big savesets to multiple tapes with I > the /label=(label1,label2,label3) qualifier. But is it able to write to F > multiple container files ? Say I create 6 5 gig container files, howI > would I tell Backup to write to those container files filling them in a < > certain order ? (either directly, or via the LD driver) ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 04:36:21 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>H Subject: Re: BACKUP questions  (cache, DVD and multiple container files)8 Message-ID: <bc752$45866133$cef8887a$26519@TEKSAVVY.COM>   Eberhard Heuser wrote:H > 1. create a volume set of logical disks, each with the size of 4,3 GB.A > Do a backup, dismount the volume set and burn each logical disk 
 > separetely.     J Oh my ! do I detect a modern use of bound volumes ?  So for a 30 gig full L drive, I create 7 4,3 gig files, then use LD driver to map 7 drives to it, :E then MOUNT/BIND=MYBACKUP LDA1:,LDA2:,LDA3:,LDA4:,LDA5:,LDA6:,LDA7 etc   H Then I backup to the bound volume set. Ingenious idea. But aren't bound L volumes to be avoided ? Seems they are not recommended. And this requires a M disk of identical size as the first one (or bigger) to act as a staging area.   K Didn't backup have capabilities to write to multiple volumes for removable  $ disks (RA60s and earlier RL08 etc) ?  A What would be neat would be a way for BACKUP/IMAGE mydisk:  LDA1:   J and once it has filled LDA1, it behaves as for tapes, asks for new volume I to be mounted, and you would then have the ability to map LDA1: to a new  I file, let backup continue. While it fills the second file, you can write  K the first file to the DVD.  This way, you could backup terabytes with only  ( 2  4,3gig files to stage the DVD images.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:39:59 +0100 7 From: "Eberhard Heuser" <vaxinf@chemie.uni-konstanz.de> H Subject: Re: BACKUP questions  (cache, DVD and multiple container files)0 Message-ID: <004101c722a1$a2dd0020$05072286@vg2>  7 Jur van der Burg's fieldtest lddriver has this feature.    http://www.digiater.nl   eberhard ---- Original Message ----- 0 From: "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com> ( Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 10:36 AMG Subject: Re: BACKUP questions (cache, DVD and multiple container files)      > Eberhard Heuser wrote:I >> 1. create a volume set of logical disks, each with the size of 4,3 GB. B >> Do a backup, dismount the volume set and burn each logical disk >> separetely. >  > L > Oh my ! do I detect a modern use of bound volumes ?  So for a 30 gig full M > drive, I create 7 4,3 gig files, then use LD driver to map 7 drives to it,   > : G > then MOUNT/BIND=MYBACKUP LDA1:,LDA2:,LDA3:,LDA4:,LDA5:,LDA6:,LDA7 etc  > J > Then I backup to the bound volume set. Ingenious idea. But aren't bound L > volumes to be avoided ? Seems they are not recommended. And this requires L > a disk of identical size as the first one (or bigger) to act as a staging  > area.  > M > Didn't backup have capabilities to write to multiple volumes for removable  & > disks (RA60s and earlier RL08 etc) ? > C > What would be neat would be a way for BACKUP/IMAGE mydisk:  LDA1:  > L > and once it has filled LDA1, it behaves as for tapes, asks for new volume K > to be mounted, and you would then have the ability to map LDA1: to a new  K > file, let backup continue. While it fills the second file, you can write  M > the first file to the DVD.  This way, you could backup terabytes with only  + > 2  4,3gig files to stage the DVD images.     ------------------------------    Date: 18 Dec 2006 08:59:22 -0800( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>! Subject: Re: Depth of 19" racks ? C Message-ID: <1166461162.299665.181190@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote: % > OK, here is where I am coming from:  > J > Q5 Microvax II cabinet, stripped down to what appeared to be a 19" rack.; > The width and the spacing of holes on the front are fine.  > H > However, the DS10L rackmount kit has brackets that are not long enough: > to reach between the front portion and the rear portion. > ? > Are 19" racks of different depths without a single standard ?  > G > Or are there a couple of standards for 19" racks with the more modern  > one usually shallower ?   G We just installed a compaq 10000 series rack.  Several of our customers A have the same, a few have the older 9000 series or M-series (DEC) E racks.  It seems that newer racks are actually getting deeper, rather G than shallower.  I'm not sure the one proliant POS we have would fit in C a 9000 rack, and would definitely not fit in an older shallower one D while retaining the cable management capability (it has a pantographE arm to route the cables and keep them managed when the server is slid  out).   G The DS10 rack kit for the 10000 series rack is longer than that for the D 9000.  I haven't seen them side by side but did get a 9000 kit and a) 10000 rack once, and thats how it looked.   E The DS10/15 rack kits are a joke.  Compaq should have been ashamed of E itself.  The rack kits for the proliant POS and the Itanium RX2620 we 7 have here are quite nice and were very easy to install.    Rich   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 09:13:35 GMT . From: rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl (Richard Bos), Subject: Re: Free Full Version Agv Antivirus0 Message-ID: <458659fb.1034813008@news.xs4all.nl>  # "Sable" <sablegs94@yahoo.ca> wrote:    > Scott Kane wrote:  > N > > They wouldn't.  I really wish these download site clones would vanish fromP > > the net.  They offer no value and are questionable as to the safety of their > > content. > G > Makes you wonder when you see the title... Isn't Grisoft disposing of # > the free version in the new year?   F Not at all. They're stopping support of AVG Free 7.1, but only becauseG they've launched AVG Free 7.5. A simple upgrade is all that's required. 7 It continues to be free, you just need a newer version.   G > I do agree with your request of these download site clones. They're a  > PITA in my opinion.   D They're worse than that, they're of dubious trustworthiness at best,> vectors of trojans if they're merely incompetent, and at worstE deliberate phishing and cracking attempts. Especially when they're in F oddball, free-for-all domains like .tk or (in this case) .cc. A uni on* the Keeling Islands? Don't you believe it.   Richard    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 23:20:34 +1100 3 From: "Scott Kane" <davidkane@NOSPAMozemail.com.au> , Subject: Re: Free Full Version Agv AntivirusJ Message-ID: <45868791$0$21859$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>  < "Richard Bos" <rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl> wrote in message * news:458659fb.1034813008@news.xs4all.nl...  , > the Keeling Islands? Don't you believe it.  F Didn't notice the cc.  You make a good point.  The closest uni to the  islands is in Darwin I believe.    Scott    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Dec 2006 08:20:17 -0800! From: "Ian Miller" <gxys@uk2.net> . Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable againB Message-ID: <1166458817.763522.31390@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>  
 It's back.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 06:47:20 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>= Subject: Odd problem MAIL and DECW$MAIL (sequential MAIL.MAI) 7 Message-ID: <88024$45867fe7$cef8887a$4232@TEKSAVVY.COM>   
 Alpha VMS 8.3   C (ok, in fairness, this is after a disk problem, but bear with me !)   D My DECW$MAIL profile has 5 drawers. 3 of them point to other user's / MAIL.MAI files. This worked fine for some time.   2 Now, one of those user's mail files behaves badly.  . DOuble clicking on that drawer yields NOTHING.O Right Click on the folder followed by "open in new window" crashes DEC$WINDOWS.   J  From character cell mail, I can set file USRDIR:[user]MAIL.MAI  and then I perform DIR, read, and even delete with success. HOWEVER, DELETE takes a  H long time to complete but does complete. I can send emails to that user # without problem and they do appear.    But low and behold:   3 MAIL.MAI;1                    File ID:  (1385,14,4) ? Size:           48/54         Owner:    [MODERATE,MTAI_REQUEST] # Created:    11-DEC-2006 07:36:18.19 ( Revised:    18-DEC-2006 06:40:56.00 (82) Expires:    <None specified>  Backup:     <No backup recorded> Effective:  <None specified> Recording:  <None specified> Accessed:   <None specified> Attributes: <None specified> Modified:   <None specified>
 Linkcount:  1  File organization:  Sequential Shelved state:      Online  Caching attribute:  WritethroughE File attributes:    Allocation: 54, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0 %                      Version limit: 2 J Record format:      Variable length, maximum 2048 bytes, longest 186 bytes Record attributes:  None RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: None9 File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RW, Group:, World:  Access Cntrl List:  None Client attributes:  None   Total of 1 file, 48/54 blocks.      L SEQUENTIAL ?????  My disk problems happened on the 14th very early AM. What I could have caused that file to be recreated and become sequential on the   11th of december ?  H The contents are also odd. If I edit the file with TPU, I get perfectly G readable text without any junk characters. Truly a text file. (and the  J contents match what should be in there). But if I TYPE the file, it comes I out as a big glob of text without any line termination. (probably due to  ' lack of RAT=CR in the file definition).     K Anyhow, DECW$MAIL should be fixed so it doesn't crash when you try to open  H such a file in new window, and issue a warning of sequenial file format  when double clicking on it).   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Dec 2006 09:18:39 -0800" From: dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com( Subject: Problem with HSJ50 Disk device.C Message-ID: <1166462319.144544.118290@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>   @ I have a 9GB hard drive in my disk storage (HSJ50's, CI CLuster,E OpenVMS 7.2-1) which has ended up write-locked (I have no idea how.).    vis;  # AXPA$SYSMGR>> mount $1$dua2: path44 * %MOUNT-I-WRITELOCK, volume is write locked6 %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, PATH44 mounted on _$1$DUA2: (HSJ500)  % AXPA$SYSMGR>> show dev /full $1$dua2:   E Disk $1$DUA2: (HSJ500), device type MSCP served SCSI disk, is online, 
 allocated,;     deallocate on dismount, mounted, software write-locked, 
 file-oriented G     device, shareable, served to cluster via MSCP Server, error logging  is     enabled.   AXPA$SYSMGR>> dismount $1$dua2:   AXPA$SYSMGR>> init $1$dua2: temp! %INIT-F-WRITLCK, write lock error 
 AXPA$SYSMGR>>   G clearly this device is software write-lockied.     The question is "How  do I remove the write-lock??"   G The disk is an RZ40-VA.    Do these devices have a "write-lock" switch? F  (I'm not aware of any).  At the controller level, it looks like this;   HSJ50_0> show d21 MSCP unit                                    Uses > --------------------------------------------------------------4   D2                                         DISK120         Switches: B           RUN                    NOWRITE_PROTECT        READ_CACHE           NOWRITEBACK_CACHE +           MAXIMUM_CACHED_TRANSFER_SIZE = 32          State:           AVAILABLE            No exclusive access            NOPREFERRED_PATH           WRITE_PROTECT - DRIVE          Size: 17769177 blocks  HSJ50_0>  ; I have never seen the "WRITE_PROTECT - DRIVE" entry before.   $ All suggestions greatfully received.   Dave.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 03:45:06 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>" Subject: Rename oddity (Alpha 8.3)- Message-ID: <458654EE.581F3641@vaxination.ca>   , I had 3 directories in a temporary directory  2 	$define source $disk2:[rebuild.M3GHE34L_SLT.news]
 	$dir source: ? 	NEWS2_TEKSAVVY_COM.DIR;1                NEWS_MOZILLA_ORG.DIR;1  	PBDL_NEWS_ASTRAWEB_COM.DIR;1   > 	$set def  usrdir:[jfmezei._mozilla.default.K9EN0HAR_SLT.NEWS]   	$rename source:*.dir [] /log   P %RENAME-E-OPENOUT, error opening $4$DIA1:[JFMEZEI._MOZILLA.DEFAULT.K9EN0HAR_SLT.& news]NEWS2_TEKSAVVY_COM.DIR; as output -RMS-E-DNF, directory not found " -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file  B (same message for each of the 3  .DIR files wanting to be renamed)  F Note: SET WATCH FILE/CLASS=DIR prior to the rename operation is listed at the bottom of this message.    H Note that the current directory is valid. there are already files in it,B and I can create/delete files without problems in it.  The currentE directory all the way up to _MOZILLA were recreated from scratch sicn F the disk problem. They are populated by default mozilla files and I amH copying my old files rescued by ana/disk/repair over. (the default files9 tell me where they belong in the mozilla directory tree).          -------------------------  ******* However:  4 $rename source:*.dir usrdir:[jfmezei]/log  succeededD $rename usrdir:[jfmezei]NEWS2_TEKSAVVY_COM.DIR;1  []/log succeeded    " (same for the other 2 directories)  C Interestingly, from that directory back to the original, the rename @ works in 1 shot, without the need for the files to be renamed to intermediate directory.   G This is reproducible with other directories. And reproducible with text  files as well.  2 the source directory file (news.dir) is in RVN 1. " The target directory is in RVN 3. % USRDIR:[000000]JFMEZEI.DIR is in RVN1             E This is with VMS 8.3 on alpha. The disk in question is an ODS2 volume   (that dreaded bound volume set).  On VAX 7.3, the same behaviour.   A If I define the current directory as a logical name, and use that 5 logical name instead of [], the rename fails as well.       E How come it would not let me rename it from the original directory to F the target directory, but if I went through an intermediate directory, there was no problem ?  G (all those directories are on the same disk. (usrdir is on that device)    $ show log $disk2/fullG    "$DISK2" [exec] = "$4$DIA1:" [concealed,terminal] (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)  $ show log usrdir/full_    "USRDIR" [exec,clusterwide] = "$4$DIA1:[USERS.]" [concealed,terminal] (LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE)     E Here is the result of the failed rename operation with the set watch:    $ set watch file/class=dir $ rename source:*.dir []/log3 %XQP, Thread #0, Read only directory access (4,4,1) D %XQP, Thread #0, Directory scan for: REBUILD.DIR;1, Status: 000000013 %XQP, Thread #0, Read only directory access (4,4,1) D %XQP, Thread #0, Directory scan for: JFMEZEI.DIR;1, Status: 000000003 %XQP, Thread #0, Read only directory access (4,4,1) A %XQP, Thread #0, Directory scan for: JFMEZEI.;0, Status: 00000000 P %RENAME-E-OPENOUT, error opening $4$DIA1:[JFMEZEI._MOZILLA.DEFAULT.K9EN0HAR_SLT.& NEWS]NEWS2_TEKSAVVY_COM.DIR; as output -RMS-E-DNF, directory not found " -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file    H If I create a new directory or a new file in the SOURCE: (with success),4 the rename to the target also fails in the same way.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:21:15 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> - Subject: Re: Suggestion for bound volume sets : Message-ID: <B92dnWszia1qIhvYnZ2dnUVZ_t2tnZ2d@comcast.com>   JF Mezei wrote:    > $TODAY = F$TIME()  > $!" > $SET TIME="01-JAN-1979 07:33:25" > $TYPE SYS$INPUT  > H > To whoever will end up writing the code for the bound volume sets in a > couple of years: > E > When someone is creating a new copy (version) of a file, preference J > should be made to store that new version on a different physical disk soC > that no two consecutive versions of a file are stored on the same  > physical disk. >  >  > $! > $SET TIME="''TODAY'" > $! >  >  > F > I take it that with current storage susbsystems, VMS has very littleF > control over where the files are phsysically stored ?   With currentG > disk technology, are there still any uses for the moral equivalent of ? > bound volume sets ? Are stripe volume sets still being used ?   I You, and VMS, have the same degree of control you always had.  The rules  H   for bound volume sets are clear; it's just a bad idea, in most cases, C to use them.  Striping, as such, is not much used.   Striping with  E parity, a/k/a RAID 5 is frequently used.  RAID 5 requires a hardware  I (HSZxx for  SCSI) controller or a software license.  Take five identical  I disks, put them in a RAID 5 set and you have four disks worth of storage  H and the promise that any one of those five disks can fail and you don't G lose a byte of data.  There may be a performance penalty, particularly  D if you do it in software.  You can use fewer disks, or more.  Three D disks don't do anything that you couldn't do with a two disk mirror 7 (RAID 1) set; four, five, or six are the usual numbers.    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Dec 2006 07:28:56 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org5 Subject: Re: Suggestion for F$SEARCH (starting point) 3 Message-ID: <c+wERqKgyEnE@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <45847D73.CF8C3A6A@vaxination.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes: > AEF wrote:= >> How about doing $ DIRECTORY/NOHEADER/NOTRAILER [000000...] G >> /OUT=SEQ.FILE and then reading from SEQ.FILE, skipping processing on 8 >> the files that were done before the system went down? >  > 0 > It sorts of defeats the purpose of F$SEARCH... > D > The issue is that often, when you write such a procedure, it isn'tE > obvious that the job will take hours to complete and that the power H > compamy will be playing tricks on you, or that your job will abort dueF > to a DCL error or some other aspectr after having succesfully scaned > half of your disk. > I > So it is easier to retrofit a command procedure using F$EARCH by adding D > a single command to set the context, rather than restructuring the; > command prcedure to use a different file scanning method.   B In the general case, context is an extremely tricky beast.  If theD device name is a search list, which search list translation were youC on?  If the search list itself points to search list logical names, ' which translation were you on in those?   0 Suppose this function were offered as a lexical:  % 	F$SETCONTEXT ( "*.*", "FOO.BAR", 1 )   I A simpleminded implementation might not offer any significant performance  improvement over:    	$	START_FILE = "FOO.BAR"  	$ RESTART_LOOP: 	$	FILE = F$SEARCH ( "*.*", 1 ) % 	$	IF FILE .EQS. "" THEN EXIT %x18292 2 	$	IF FILE .NES. START_FILE THEN GOTO RESTART_LOOP  D A sophisticated implementation...  Well, there's a trade-off between' development effort and customer demand.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 00:38:57 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com  Subject: Re: The Evil within! 0 Message-ID: <87hcvu4gv2.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  > "Barratt, Chris \(FMC\)" <Chris.Barratt@fmc.sa.gov.au> writes:  : > P.S. If any other VMS-based hospitals were interested inE > joint-development in some sort of open-source arrangement, I'm sure ? > we would be interested in hearing from you to discuss what is  > possible.   B Serveral hospitals used to run on VMS back when, Illawarra Region,; RNS, RPH, and lots more I'm sure. Plus all the MUMPS sites.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:13:49 +0100 ( From: Michael Kraemer <M.Kraemer@gsi.de>' Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic / Message-ID: <em5f1p$o1r$03$1@news.t-online.com>    David J Dachtera schrieb:  > Tom Linden wrote:  > ) > "organigram"? That's a new one on me...  >   6 A germanism. Seems he spent quite some time over here.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:38:54 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>' Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic - Message-ID: <4586456E.FA600D1D@vaxination.ca>    Michael Kraemer wrote:= > Hasn't that been expatiated how the US military uses it for 5 > aircraft control or such ? And how important it is, < > and how it would secure VMS's existence for the next 10 or > 20 years ?    D That DII/COE thing was an "option" one would have to purchase to get2 those garantees. It isn't applicable to all sales.  G And if those were signed 6 or 7 years ago, it might only need another 3 C years of garanteed support before HP can just absolve itself of all G responsabilities. And how many customers/sites have DII/COE contracts ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:40:43 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>' Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic - Message-ID: <458645DB.3EE25963@vaxination.ca>    Michael Kraemer wrote: >  > David J Dachtera schrieb:  > > Tom Linden wrote:  > > + > > "organigram"? That's a new one on me...  > >  > 8 > A germanism. Seems he spent quite some time over here.  4 Actually, there is also a french word: organigramme.   orgi = organisation  gramme = writing  H I'd have to take out my latin books to see if both parts come from latin$ or if gramme comes germanic origins.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Dec 2006 07:27:18 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ' Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic 3 Message-ID: <9lb9JYw0N1JJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <4585CC65.9D82F476@vaxination.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > D >>    the audience said "you should trumpet this to the world".  TheE >>    response was "we cannot, because it names particular customers. F >>    These customers have not given us permission to use their name."  F > Then the VMS sales force should be instructed to negotiate this withJ > customers so that it would provide the VMS group with marketing material& > they could trumpet in news releases.  E I do not think it is appropriate to micro-manage who does what at HP, E but obviously such agreements are in place - that is where the posted  VMS White Papers come from.    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Dec 2006 07:59:18 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic 3 Message-ID: <o+sjvtPjj3ZT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <4umh50F18u5raU1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  > I > I am begining to think this "use of VMS by the military" is pretty much ! > the same as the "VMS Constant".   C    If you are on the inside, then you're working in an organisation @    which considers information hiding to be an asset.  No wonder    you can't find it.    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Dec 2006 16:31:33 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)' Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic 0 Message-ID: <4unu35F18d5l3U2@mid.individual.net>  3 In article <o+sjvtPjj3ZT@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:] > In article <4umh50F18u5raU1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  >>  J >> I am begining to think this "use of VMS by the military" is pretty much" >> the same as the "VMS Constant". > E >    If you are on the inside, then you're working in an organisation B >    which considers information hiding to be an asset.  No wonder >    you can't find it.   E Dream on.  They actively teach Windows at every level from Private to B Colonel.  They actively teach Lunix at every level from Private toB Colonel.  They actively teach Cisco at every level from Private toD Colonel.  The only mention of VMS was made by a instructor at one ofE the schools (Employee of a major IT government contractor  who was of C the opinion (and openly expressed it) that VMS was long since dead. C DA may hide information, but not from those who have a need to deal E with it.  I have been looking for over three years for anyplace in DA E that might be able to utilize my skills and experience.  I have found E none.  And, as I mentioned earlier the closest I have come was a soon D to be retired officer who had seen VMS early in his career but could" not remember the last time he had.  E If the military is "one of VMS's biggest customers" then VMS's future : is in much worse shape than even the naysayers here think.   bill    --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 18 Dec 2006 08:03:12 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 4 Subject: Re: tool to move accounts from VAX to Alpha3 Message-ID: <uKwH7+Rzknr6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <1166290029.741001.243240@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>, tomarsin2015@comcast.net writes:  > Hello ) > Is there any easy way to do do this??    > thanks >   	    BACKUP     COPY 
    VMScluster     ...  F    Can you define what you mean by "move", is it somehow more involved    than one of the above?    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:46:30 GMT 0 From: "Milt Zlatic" <milton.t.zlatic@boeing.com> Subject: VMS$AUDIT_SERVER.DAT ( Message-ID: <JAHDDH.MJy@news.boeing.com>  J Is the format of this file documented anywhere? I need to write a program H that would check if the security settings are correct without having to  parse the output of SHOW AUDIT.  Thanks,  Milt   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 09:15:02 GMT . From: rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl (Richard Bos)- Subject: Re: Windows Media Player 11 Released 0 Message-ID: <45865bf3.1035317241@news.xs4all.nl>  ? andekl_no@saaf_spam.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_Ekl=F6f?=) wrote:   ) > <admin.softwaresearch@gmail.com> wrote:  > $ > > Windows Media Player 11 Released > >  > > click here to download > > (http://downloadhub [snip] > - > Off-topic spam in at least 3 of the groups.    All five, I'd say.  0 > Besides, why would anyone download WMP 11 from > someplace outside Microsoft?  = I don't see why anyone would download it at all, but *shrug*.    Richard    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.695 ************************