1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 19 Dec 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 697       Contents:! Re: An example of a backup oddity * Re: Emulex CP34 Distribution Panels URGENTC Grooming is a crime in the UK you Sicko! (Was Re: The Evil within!)  Internet Explorer 7 Released Internet Explorer 7 Released Internet Explorer 7 Released  Re: Internet Explorer 7 Released, Multiple time zones from a single VMS server0 Re: Multiple time zones from a single VMS server0 Re: Multiple time zones from a single VMS server- Re: Open sourced  VMS as a business concept ? , Re: Open sourced VMS as a business concept ?, Re: Open sourced VMS as a business concept ?, Re: Open sourced VMS as a business concept ?, Re: Open sourced VMS as a business concept ? Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic, Re: Videocards supported by OpenVMS X server, Re: Videocards supported by OpenVMS X server+ Re: Want ed to buy L0001 parts on vax11/750   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 19 Dec 2006 05:58:02 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>* Subject: Re: An example of a backup oddityB Message-ID: <1166536682.511931.107700@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Another example: > @ > $ backup/log $disk7:[000000...]*.*;* $disk4:[bike1...]/by=orig >  > It creates [bike1]allin1.dir > A > But instead of creating [bike1.allin1]admin_data.dir it creates  > [bike1]admin_data.dir  > J > I stopped it as soon as I noticed. However, the files in admin_data wereH > created under the admin_data directory. So backup seems to flatten the > structure by one level.  > F > There really should be some good documentation on exactly how backupJ > handles disk to disk copies with the target specifications and hierarchy > handling.   A It's a bug that has to do with BACKUP's handling (or mishandling, G rather) of [000000]. Didn't you see my other posts about this? Should I  re-post in UPPERCASE? ;-)    AEF    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Dec 2006 00:28:35 -0800& From: "l4ckt" <tony.lack@ntlworld.com>3 Subject: Re: Emulex CP34 Distribution Panels URGENT B Message-ID: <1166516915.594356.222780@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>  E I wonder if these are the ones I have asked a dealer to buy for me in 
 the UK???????    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:37:46 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> L Subject: Grooming is a crime in the UK you Sicko! (Was Re: The Evil within!)1 Message-ID: <em8ilo$gs8$1@news-02.connect.com.au>   	 Hi Kerry,   2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageN news:FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401F189B6@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net...1 > Many health and hospital org's run OpenVMS with ! > numerous different app's today.   F And how many of those have *HP EMPLOYEES* been in direct contact with,J actively encouraging them to abandon VMS in favour of HP-UX??? Taking them  on camp or buying them trinkets?  C Is it "Uncle Kerry's Cabin"? Are you the token VMSer? Or is it more K insidious than that? Are you simply grooming the VMS client base to be sold J onto your "friends" for a profit? Have you got Pete Townsend's credit card details Kerry?  J Provide COV with the name of the filth that has been white-anting VMS with? Cerner, or have everyone here think of you (and your 64 billion - upgrades/month rant) what they already do :-(   K You and Sue better get the gloves off cos this and *both* of you are a joke A if you simply placate us while your colleagues are harvesting (or   cottaging?) the VMS client base.  ; Are they really showers Kerry? Is it really just delousing?    Regards Richard Maher   2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageN news:FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401F189B6@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net...   > -----Original Message-----< > From: prep@prep.synonet.com [mailto:prep@prep.synonet.com]" > Sent: December 17, 2006 11:39 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: Re: The Evil within!  > @ > "Barratt, Chris \(FMC\)" <Chris.Barratt@fmc.sa.gov.au> writes: > < > > P.S. If any other VMS-based hospitals were interested inG > > joint-development in some sort of open-source arrangement, I'm sure A > > we would be interested in hearing from you to discuss what is 
 > > possible.  > D > Serveral hospitals used to run on VMS back when, Illawarra Region,= > RNS, RPH, and lots more I'm sure. Plus all the MUMPS sites.  >  > --  > > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. B >                                              West Australia 6076  H Many health and hospital org's run OpenVMS with numerous different app's today.     Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)   4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Dec 2006 08:50:54 -08000 From: "Downloadhub" <priyank.narvekar@gmail.com>% Subject: Internet Explorer 7 Released B Message-ID: <1166547053.969005.200000@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>   Click Here To download :5 http://downloadhub.uni.cc/category/detail.php?id=5953   E The long expected final version of Internet Explorer 7 is here. After F the beta versions, Microsoft Corp. have released on the market a truly competitive Web browser.  D With enhanced security features designed to provide a high degree of? security during any Web surfing experience, a newly implemented G 'Windows Customer Service Experience Improvement Program' and many more > useful features, Internet Explorer 7 appears to be a very good( alternative to Mozilla Firefox or Opera.  D Let's have a look at the user interface: tabbed design, customizableF toolbar, 'Favorites Center' containing history and RSS feeds, 'WindowsA Live' search engine included by default. All the open tabs can be G displayed in thumbnail mode (Quick Tabs), the search engine section can E be customized by adding or removing search providers and setting your " favorite search engine as default.  F The help section has been improved: you can take a quick tour of IE7's@ features, send feedback and get online support. The tools in IE7G provide a safer browsing or online shopping: the pop-up blocker filters F help you allow or block all pop-ups or pop-ups from selected Websites.E You can also build a list of exceptions. The phishing filter improves D your online security level: phishing filter settings can be manuallyE changed, you can report phishing Websites or check a Website. Now you D can manually manage IE7 add-ons and ActiveX controls by enabling andG removing them. As for cryptographic protection, SSL 2.0 and 3.0 and TLS D 1.o protocols are used by IE7 in order to provide authentication and) communications privacy over the Internet.   A Among other features, I must mention the 'Auto-complete' feature, @ accessibility options, customizable security level for browsing,' content advisor, multilanguage support.   A Pluses: Enhanced security features, support for Google and Yahoo! = toolbars, quick browsing experience, session restore feature, B import/export wizard (this feature allows you to import and exportD Favorites, RSS feeds or Cookies to other applications or files which can be saved on your computer).   F A nice thing I noticed, after I installed this new version of InternetE Explorer, was that it can be set to use ClearType fonts. This kind of F font improves the readability of text on LCD displays. I also saw that? my Yahoo! Messenger windows were also using ClearType after the $ installation of Internet Explorer 7.  D Drawbacks / flaws: A download manager with pause/resume functions isG still missing. Since all current browsers are trying to comply with the G W3C standards I had to test the browser with the well known Acid2 test.  Unfortunately, IE 7 failed.   E In conclusion: The final release of IE 7 can be now compared to other # competitive browsers on the market.    Click Here To download :5 http://downloadhub.uni.cc/category/detail.php?id=5953    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Dec 2006 08:52:18 -0800$ From: admin.softwaresearch@gmail.com% Subject: Internet Explorer 7 Released B Message-ID: <1166547138.031933.291150@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>   Click Here To download :5 http://downloadhub.uni.cc/category/detail.php?id=5953   E The long expected final version of Internet Explorer 7 is here. After F the beta versions, Microsoft Corp. have released on the market a truly competitive Web browser.  D With enhanced security features designed to provide a high degree of? security during any Web surfing experience, a newly implemented G 'Windows Customer Service Experience Improvement Program' and many more > useful features, Internet Explorer 7 appears to be a very good( alternative to Mozilla Firefox or Opera.  D Let's have a look at the user interface: tabbed design, customizableF toolbar, 'Favorites Center' containing history and RSS feeds, 'WindowsA Live' search engine included by default. All the open tabs can be G displayed in thumbnail mode (Quick Tabs), the search engine section can E be customized by adding or removing search providers and setting your " favorite search engine as default.  F The help section has been improved: you can take a quick tour of IE7's@ features, send feedback and get online support. The tools in IE7G provide a safer browsing or online shopping: the pop-up blocker filters F help you allow or block all pop-ups or pop-ups from selected Websites.E You can also build a list of exceptions. The phishing filter improves D your online security level: phishing filter settings can be manuallyE changed, you can report phishing Websites or check a Website. Now you D can manually manage IE7 add-ons and ActiveX controls by enabling andG removing them. As for cryptographic protection, SSL 2.0 and 3.0 and TLS D 1.o protocols are used by IE7 in order to provide authentication and) communications privacy over the Internet.   A Among other features, I must mention the 'Auto-complete' feature, @ accessibility options, customizable security level for browsing,' content advisor, multilanguage support.   A Pluses: Enhanced security features, support for Google and Yahoo! = toolbars, quick browsing experience, session restore feature, B import/export wizard (this feature allows you to import and exportD Favorites, RSS feeds or Cookies to other applications or files which can be saved on your computer).   F A nice thing I noticed, after I installed this new version of InternetE Explorer, was that it can be set to use ClearType fonts. This kind of F font improves the readability of text on LCD displays. I also saw that? my Yahoo! Messenger windows were also using ClearType after the $ installation of Internet Explorer 7.  D Drawbacks / flaws: A download manager with pause/resume functions isG still missing. Since all current browsers are trying to comply with the G W3C standards I had to test the browser with the well known Acid2 test.  Unfortunately, IE 7 failed.   E In conclusion: The final release of IE 7 can be now compared to other # competitive browsers on the market.    Click Here To download :5 http://downloadhub.uni.cc/category/detail.php?id=5953    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Dec 2006 08:52:40 -0800$ From: admin.softwaresearch@gmail.com% Subject: Internet Explorer 7 Released B Message-ID: <1166547160.479840.206420@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>   Click Here To download :5 http://downloadhub.uni.cc/category/detail.php?id=5953   E The long expected final version of Internet Explorer 7 is here. After F the beta versions, Microsoft Corp. have released on the market a truly competitive Web browser.  D With enhanced security features designed to provide a high degree of? security during any Web surfing experience, a newly implemented G 'Windows Customer Service Experience Improvement Program' and many more > useful features, Internet Explorer 7 appears to be a very good( alternative to Mozilla Firefox or Opera.  D Let's have a look at the user interface: tabbed design, customizableF toolbar, 'Favorites Center' containing history and RSS feeds, 'WindowsA Live' search engine included by default. All the open tabs can be G displayed in thumbnail mode (Quick Tabs), the search engine section can E be customized by adding or removing search providers and setting your " favorite search engine as default.  F The help section has been improved: you can take a quick tour of IE7's@ features, send feedback and get online support. The tools in IE7G provide a safer browsing or online shopping: the pop-up blocker filters F help you allow or block all pop-ups or pop-ups from selected Websites.E You can also build a list of exceptions. The phishing filter improves D your online security level: phishing filter settings can be manuallyE changed, you can report phishing Websites or check a Website. Now you D can manually manage IE7 add-ons and ActiveX controls by enabling andG removing them. As for cryptographic protection, SSL 2.0 and 3.0 and TLS D 1.o protocols are used by IE7 in order to provide authentication and) communications privacy over the Internet.   A Among other features, I must mention the 'Auto-complete' feature, @ accessibility options, customizable security level for browsing,' content advisor, multilanguage support.   A Pluses: Enhanced security features, support for Google and Yahoo! = toolbars, quick browsing experience, session restore feature, B import/export wizard (this feature allows you to import and exportD Favorites, RSS feeds or Cookies to other applications or files which can be saved on your computer).   F A nice thing I noticed, after I installed this new version of InternetE Explorer, was that it can be set to use ClearType fonts. This kind of F font improves the readability of text on LCD displays. I also saw that? my Yahoo! Messenger windows were also using ClearType after the $ installation of Internet Explorer 7.  D Drawbacks / flaws: A download manager with pause/resume functions isG still missing. Since all current browsers are trying to comply with the G W3C standards I had to test the browser with the well known Acid2 test.  Unfortunately, IE 7 failed.   E In conclusion: The final release of IE 7 can be now compared to other # competitive browsers on the market.    Click Here To download :5 http://downloadhub.uni.cc/category/detail.php?id=5953    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Dec 2006 09:36:42 -0800 From: "dlzc" <dlzc1@cox.net>) Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 7 Released B Message-ID: <1166549802.010507.138370@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>  % admin.softwaresearch@gmail.com wrote:  > Click Here To download :7 > http://downloadhub.uni.cc/category/detail.php?id=5953  ...  > Click Here To download :7 > http://downloadhub.uni.cc/category/detail.php?id=5953   D Be sure and never download MicroShaft software from any site that isE not MicroShaft.  It is bad enough to "get the goods" from MicroShaft, E but it is worse to download software that could very well destroy all 
 your data.   David A. Smith   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Dec 2006 08:27:05 -0800' From: "mooneydl" <mooneydl@hotmail.com> 5 Subject: Multiple time zones from a single VMS server A Message-ID: <1166545625.506816.94300@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>   F We have a VMS server located in the U.S. Eastern Time zone (GMT-05:00)F hosting an application used in the U.S., Switzerland (GMT+01:00),  andF Japan (GMT+09:00). Some dates and times need to be shown in the user'sF local time zone. What libraries can be used to take a date and time asB expressed in one time zone and express it in a different time zoneB while accounting for the different starting and ending periods for/ daylight saving time in the various time zones?    Thanks,  Dan    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Dec 2006 09:17:39 -0800! From: "Ian Miller" <gxys@uk2.net> 9 Subject: Re: Multiple time zones from a single VMS server A Message-ID: <1166548659.358663.65490@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>   D There are time routines in the C run time library if you are using C  or there are the DECdts routines  D http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/83final/4493/4493pro_016.html#port_api   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Dec 2006 10:03:00 -0800 From: davidc@montagar.com 9 Subject: Re: Multiple time zones from a single VMS server B Message-ID: <1166551379.902408.110800@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   mooneydl wrote: H > We have a VMS server located in the U.S. Eastern Time zone (GMT-05:00)H > hosting an application used in the U.S., Switzerland (GMT+01:00),  andH > Japan (GMT+09:00). Some dates and times need to be shown in the user'sH > local time zone. What libraries can be used to take a date and time asD > expressed in one time zone and express it in a different time zoneD > while accounting for the different starting and ending periods for1 > daylight saving time in the various time zones?   E Look at the SYS$TIMEZONE* logical names.  Although they are typically E set in the SYSTEM table, you might be able to set them in the PROCESS ' or JOB tables to localize the timezone.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Dec 2006 09:07:45 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 6 Subject: Re: Open sourced  VMS as a business concept ?3 Message-ID: <d+Ee5iyWIWBo@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <d023b$45873c5d$cef8887a$20091@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes: L > With a larger-than-expected number of VMS engineers no longer working for I > the current owner of VMS, but apparently still controlling some of the  M > source they contributed,  isn't this a low process of open sourcing VMS to  
 > hobbyists ?   G    Still controlling?  They may have copies, but the property rights in ;    almost all cases belong to HP, not the former employees.   F    There were a few parts of VMS licensed from other vendors, but lotsD    of those tended to go away already (remember display Postscript)?  E    Heck, I have a copy of the VMS 5.5-2 fiche.  But I certainly don't C    control the intellectual property that's represented on it, even !    though it's years out of date.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Dec 2006 01:27:00 -0800! From: "Ian Miller" <gxys@uk2.net> 5 Subject: Re: Open sourced VMS as a business concept ? A Message-ID: <1166520420.287337.47970@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Show me the money!  4 There are more people working on VMS than you think.  D Which parts of VMS do you think now belong to someone no longer with HP?  LDDRIVER, DFU, What else?    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Dec 2006 05:22:38 -0800- From: "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> 5 Subject: Re: Open sourced VMS as a business concept ? B Message-ID: <1166534558.512249.212580@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote: K > With a larger-than-expected number of VMS engineers no longer working for H > the current owner of VMS, but apparently still controlling some of theL > source they contributed,  isn't this a low process of open sourcing VMS to
 > hobbyists ?  > K > Perhaps a plan might be for HP to keep the core kernel, and then give all M > the rest to former engineers/hobbyists ?   Consider long forgotten products H > like TPU that might finally get some additions should they be given toK > hobbyists. But with reduced engineering, the remaining engineers can only H > sprou out new versions of VMS if they only touch more and more limited > areas of the kernel.  G HP could OpenSource the whole of VMS rather like the OpenSolaris model. A This would allow HP to manage new OpenSource additions to the VMS E kernel but it would also allow OpenSource contributors to innovate in  user space.   F As an example there is now a OpenSolaris distribution called NexentaOSF which is a GNU based user environment running on top of an OpenSolaris kernel.   * http://opensolaris.org/os/projects/#portal  4 Gives you a list of some of the OpenSolaris projects   regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 05:20:35 -0800 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>5 Subject: Re: Open sourced VMS as a business concept ? ) Message-ID: <op.tks50lyltte90l@hyrrokkin>   D On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 01:27:00 -0800, Ian Miller <gxys@uk2.net> wrote:   > Show me the money! > 6 > There are more people working on VMS than you think. > F > Which parts of VMS do you think now belong to someone no longer with > HP?  > LDDRIVER, DFU, What else?  >   J If you expand that somewhat to include software in general and go back to,# say, 1994, the list is pretty long.        --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Dec 2006 09:46:09 -0800 From: davidc@montagar.com 5 Subject: Re: Open sourced VMS as a business concept ? B Message-ID: <1166550369.686828.173520@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote: K > Perhaps a plan might be for HP to keep the core kernel, and then give all M > the rest to former engineers/hobbyists ?   Consider long forgotten products H > like TPU that might finally get some additions should they be given toK > hobbyists. But with reduced engineering, the remaining engineers can only H > sprou out new versions of VMS if they only touch more and more limited > areas of the kernel.  G OpenVMS (and DEC) has a long history of open source.  The DECUS Library G has been a long standing compendium of software all the way back to the B PDP days.  Some things coming out of OpenVMS Engineering have beenG "open sourced" (maybe not GPL, but you can get/modify the source), such 1 as many of Forrest Kenny's work with USB devices.   D Documentation to write applications and drivers for OpenVMS has beenG openly published.  OpenVMS Internals has been openly published since V3 B with the Kenah and Bate OpenVMS Internals and Data Structures, and
 continued.  C There is absolutely nothing keeping someone from getting a piece of E hardware, and writing a driver for it for OpenVMS today.  Maybe there G needs to be a "recipe" for porting a Linux driver to an OpenVMS driver? B  This would open up a large number of third-party hardware devicesD (which are largely PCI, IDE, USB anymore).  There is nothing keepingF someone from porting any number of other libraries and applications toB OpenVMS, and most of the projects at Source Forge and other places> would welcome patches back into the code base to support otherF platforms (including OpenVMS).  GNV and other improvements to the CRTLB have been major steps that HP and OpenVMS Engineering have done to improve this process.   A As in the Open Source movement - SOMEONE (and that generally is a B single individual and not HP, Dell, IBM, or any other corporation)C needs to take the first step, take charge, and start working on it. D That means taking action, rather than complaining about what HP doesF and doesn't do with respect to Open Source.  Of course, looking at theF Freeware CD, OpenSSL, CSWS, CSWB, PHP, Perl, MySQL, GNV, ilbxml2, GTK,E and more - it seems to me that there is lots of interest and activity ; in OpenVMS Engineering and community regarding Open Source.   ? But Open Source development isn't a corporate activity - it's a F COMMUNITY activity.  Don't just talk about what you think HP should do@ - do something yourself.  Pick something, and help port it to orF develop it for OpenVMS.  Talk about your accomplishment, tell Sue, andD I'm sure she'll get it on the OpenVMS Web  Page.  If not, tell me orB Ken Farmer and I'm sure at least one of us will get it advertized.  F Hardware is available.  Hobbyist licenses (which are perfect for this)B are available.  I'll help where I can - for example I can create aF forum/group on the Hobbyst page for your project and let you have fullA moderator rights to it, and other coordination (and more that I'm  working on).  B But enough of the "First HP needs to...".  That's an excuse, not aE reason.  I think that before HP is going to Open Source and give some E product to hobbyists for future development, there needs to be a core ? of hobbyists that are successfully managing an OpenVMS software F development project.  DEC/Compaq/HP have blessed the Hobbyist Program.' It's time to take it to the next level.   ( So, if you want to sign up, let me know.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 02:41:06 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>' Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic 8 Message-ID: <d56c5$458797b2$cef8887a$30196@TEKSAVVY.COM>   Michael Kraemer wrote:G >> And that was almost 20 years ago!  They were the last VMS machines I $ >> personally saw being used by DOD. >>   > = > The others are detained at Guantanamo. All 411000 systems !  >   I Yeah, but they are there for a good reason: torture tests to ensure they   are rugged enough :-)    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Dec 2006 08:52:37 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic 3 Message-ID: <nQsCEvfd1K+X@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <3c17b$4586fb3c$cef8887a$7504@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes: > Bob Koehler wrote:E >>    They teach some things to just about everybody (everyone in the F >>    Army is supposed to know how to fire a rifle).  They teach otherG >>    things to only those who need to know (very few pilots in the Air / >>    Force were ever checked out in an SR-71).  >  > M > But this confirms the other persons's statement: VMS is not widely used in  M > the US military. And if it isn't known even internally that VMS is used in  E > the military, then you can't expect it to be known publically, for  L > marketing purposes. In other words, whatever presence VMS may have within M > the US military, whether it just be an instance aboard 10 spy aircraft, or  H > deployment of 10,000 VMS instances doesn't matter because in the end,  > nobody knows about it.  G    The OP didn't claim it was widely used, he claimed it was important.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Dec 2006 08:54:36 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic 3 Message-ID: <ps1k4Ysn9XnV@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <4uokc4F19f29lU1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  >>  J >> As a taxpayer, I would hope the contractor actually had to convince the0 >> government that their design was appropriate. > F > Nope.  That's not the way contracting works.  All they have to do isE > meet the spec.  Thus the reason why we often get real fiascoes.  If G > the spec is badly written the product while meeting the letter of the G > spec may be totally unsuitable for the job for which it was intended. # > Been on both sides of that game!!   D    To meet the spec, they must prove that the design is appropriate.7    You can't meet the spec if your system doesn't work.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Dec 2006 08:56:50 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic 3 Message-ID: <gzYi4LrZr$oH@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <4uo98kF18astkU1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:   H >  And, just like JStars, maintained by the contractor who developed it. >   B    Maintained by the contractor who developed it?  Do you have anyD    experience in governement maintenance contracts?  I've yet to see5    a system successfully maintained by the developer.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Dec 2006 09:00:59 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: The Hole in Cerner's Logic 3 Message-ID: <hHCjho6vjokb@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <4up1ilF19aqg4U1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:   I > I haven't "reached all corners of DOD".  I only tried the Army.  If VMS H > has such widespread use you would think I would have run into at leastE > one person using it today.  I have found none.  Zero.  Zilch. Nada.  > The silence is deafening.   G    You've still got it backward.  The OP did not claim that VMS was one G    of the military's biggest OS.  It claimed that the military was one      of VMS' biggest customers.   E    If HP sells a hundred VMS systems and the military only buys 51 of E    them, that would make the military _the_ biggest VMS customer even 5    if they bought 50,000 Wintel systems the same day.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:15:28 -0500 > From: "Island Computers, D B Turner" <dturner-at-islandco.com>5 Subject: Re: Videocards supported by OpenVMS X server 0 Message-ID: <12og0ghc007bt28@news.supernews.com>  + I believe the Itanium is 1920 x 1440 24 Bit    Other cards     G ELSA Gloria Synergy 1280 x 1024 24 Bit *(there is wobble on the side of + screen at 24bit so 16Bit is really the max) ) Permedia 2 Island Branded (same as above) , ATI Radeon 7500 PCI Card (1920 x 1440 24Bit) S3Trio 64 2MB 800 x 600 16 Bit! Powerstorm 3D30 1280 x 1024 8 Bit # Powerstorm 4D20  1280 x 1024 16 Bit  Oxygen vx1 32mb pci 1600 X 1200     # That's about all that is affordable    --   Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 x201# Mail: dturner-atnospam-islandco-com % (You know what to do with the dashes) # <elvis_75@mail.ru> wrote in message < news:1166540310.706257.92040@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Hello all!< > I cant find a thing in OpenVMS DOCs - (may be I'm stupid?)G > What videocards are supported by OpenVMS Xserver and what depth modes  > are supported on which model? 5 > What videocards are supported for more than 8 bits? B > What depth is supported for Itanium integrated (Radeon?) video ? >    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Dec 2006 07:57:24 -0800( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>5 Subject: Re: Videocards supported by OpenVMS X server B Message-ID: <1166543844.757284.327290@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>  # Island Computers, D B Turner wrote: - > I believe the Itanium is 1920 x 1440 24 Bit  > 
 > Other cards  >  > I > ELSA Gloria Synergy 1280 x 1024 24 Bit *(there is wobble on the side of - > screen at 24bit so 16Bit is really the max) + > Permedia 2 Island Branded (same as above) . > ATI Radeon 7500 PCI Card (1920 x 1440 24Bit)  > S3Trio 64 2MB 800 x 600 16 Bit# > Powerstorm 3D30 1280 x 1024 8 Bit % > Powerstorm 4D20  1280 x 1024 16 Bit ! > Oxygen vx1 32mb pci 1600 X 1200  >  > % > That's about all that is affordable  >  > -- > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St  > Savannah GA 31404  > Tel: 912 447 6622 x201% > Mail: dturner-atnospam-islandco-com ' > (You know what to do with the dashes) % > <elvis_75@mail.ru> wrote in message > > news:1166540310.706257.92040@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Hello all!> > > I cant find a thing in OpenVMS DOCs - (may be I'm stupid?)I > > What videocards are supported by OpenVMS Xserver and what depth modes ! > > are supported on which model? 7 > > What videocards are supported for more than 8 bits? D > > What depth is supported for Itanium integrated (Radeon?) video ? > >    David,F      I'm pretty sure the Powerstorm 4D20 is a 24 bit card; do you haveD experience with it that leads you to restricting it to 16 bits (like- the Elsa GLoria card due to its limitations)?   E     And are the Powerstorm 300/350 cards outside of your "affordable"  definition, even now?    Rich   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 05:08:20 -0800 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>4 Subject: Re: Want ed to buy L0001 parts on vax11/750) Message-ID: <op.tks5f6cgtte90l@hyrrokkin>   I On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 04:37:07 -0800,  Didi <didi168.huang@msa.hinet.net>    wrote:  
 > Hello sir :  > ( > We want to buy below part as described > . > L0001   floating module on vax11/750 machine > / > please give us price if you can offer, thanks  > 
 > Best Regard  > Didi >  >  Try www.psds.com       --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.697 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                