1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 23 Dec 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 705       Contents: Re: CSWB: open in THIS tab Current nodename nomenclatures" Re: Current nodename nomenclatures" Re: Current nodename nomenclatures" Re: Current nodename nomenclatures" Re: Current nodename nomenclatures Dec VWS Internals ? 0 Re: Multiple time zones from a single VMS serverC Re: OpenVMS/Alpha V8.3 + Motif V1.6 + Password locked console crash C Re: OpenVMS/Alpha V8.3 + Motif V1.6 + Password locked console crash C Re: OpenVMS/Alpha V8.3 + Motif V1.6 + Password locked console crash C Re: OpenVMS/Alpha V8.3 + Motif V1.6 + Password locked console crash  VLAN support on VMS  Re: VLAN support on VMS   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 10:14:24 +0100 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> # Subject: Re: CSWB: open in THIS tab 0 Message-ID: <4v4vo1F19u01kU1@mid.individual.net>  & On 2006-12-22 23:04, "JF Mezei" wrote:   > Michael Unger wrote:K >> I don't have a Mozilla installation currently running and the hint below D >> is from SeaMonkey (v1.0.6) but the two programs seem to be _very_. >> similar. (At least for the near future ...) > L > Seamonkey is the Mozilla Suite.  It is a group of mozilla developpers who ; > stayed loyal to Mozilla when the whole push was to go to  @ > Firefox/Thunderbird.  They renamed Mozilla Suite to Seamonkey.  A I'm aware of that -- but Mozilla is "frozen" now (at v1.7.13) and L SeaMonkey gets active development (v1.0.7 being the latest "final" version).   Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 05:25:49 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>' Subject: Current nodename nomenclatures 8 Message-ID: <cc574$458d0459$cef8887a$14695@TEKSAVVY.COM>  L Since I am adding yet another node to my cluster, the time has come for one @ of the most difficult tasks for humanity: finding a nodename :-)  L With VMS 8.3 on alpha and 7.3 on VAX, I take it SCSNODENAME and DECNET node , names are still restricted to 6 characters ?  > Would multinational characters be permitted in nodenames now ?   score:& 	2 Microvax IIs  (owned by me in 1989) 	1 Vaxstation 3100-30  	2 VAX 4000-200  	1 VAX 4000-600  	2 Alpha DS10Ls   J I am sure there are hobbyists with many more machines than that. But that 8 is one new machine (for me) on average every 2.1 years !   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 11:27:55 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk+ Subject: Re: Current nodename nomenclatures , Message-ID: <emj3rr$a7f$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  i In article <cc574$458d0459$cef8887a$14695@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes: M >Since I am adding yet another node to my cluster, the time has come for one  A >of the most difficult tasks for humanity: finding a nodename :-)  > M >With VMS 8.3 on alpha and 7.3 on VAX, I take it SCSNODENAME and DECNET node  - >names are still restricted to 6 characters ?  > @ The SCSNODE SYSGEN parameter is still restricted to 6 characters   From an ALPHA VMS 8.3   " SYSGEN> HELP SYS_PARAMETER SCSNODE  	   SCSNODE   H        SCSNODE specifies the name of the computer. This parameter is not        dynamic.   G        Specify SCSNODE as a string of up to six characters. Enclose the !        string in quotation marks.   *                                       NOTE  B           The maximum size of six characters is strictly enforced.C           SYSBOOT truncates the value of SCSNODE if the size of the >           system parameter is set to more than six characters.    ? >Would multinational characters be permitted in nodenames now ?  >    I don't think so.      >score: ' >	2 Microvax IIs  (owned by me in 1989)  >	1 Vaxstation 3100-30 >	2 VAX 4000-200 >	1 VAX 4000-600 >	2 Alpha DS10Ls > K >I am sure there are hobbyists with many more machines than that. But that  9 >is one new machine (for me) on average every 2.1 years !   J Just pick a naming scheme that includes a large number of relatively short7 names. My systems are currently named after elements :-   5 So the VMS compatible node names could include all of    HELIUM   SODIUM BARIUM RADIUM IRON OSMIUM COBALT NICKEL COPPER SILVER GOLD ZINC BORON  CARBON INDIUM TIN  LEAD	 OXYGEN     IODINE NEON ARGON  XENON  RADON  CERIUM ERBIUM CURIUM    A I think it unlikely I'll ever have that many VMS systems at home.         
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 08:29:08 -0500  From: norm.raphael@metso.com+ Subject: Re: Current nodename nomenclatures Q Message-ID: <OF23C419CD.0BD93A45-ON8525724D.0049E2DE-8525724D.004A140A@metso.com>   + This is a multipart message in MIME format. " --=_alternative 004A14048525724D_=, Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"  9 david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote on 12/23/2006 06:27:55 AM:   D > In article <cc574$458d0459$cef8887a$14695@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei ) > <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes: K > >Since I am adding yet another node to my cluster, the time has come for   one C > >of the most difficult tasks for humanity: finding a nodename :-)  > > J > >With VMS 8.3 on alpha and 7.3 on VAX, I take it SCSNODENAME and DECNET  node  / > >names are still restricted to 6 characters ?  > > B > The SCSNODE SYSGEN parameter is still restricted to 6 characters >  > From an ALPHA VMS 8.3  > $ > SYSGEN> HELP SYS_PARAMETER SCSNODE >  >   SCSNODE  > J >        SCSNODE specifies the name of the computer. This parameter is not >        dynamic.  > I >        Specify SCSNODE as a string of up to six characters. Enclose the # >        string in quotation marks.  > , >                                       NOTE > D >           The maximum size of six characters is strictly enforced.E >           SYSBOOT truncates the value of SCSNODE if the size of the @ >           system parameter is set to more than six characters. >  > A > >Would multinational characters be permitted in nodenames now ?  > >  >  > I don't think so.  >  > 	 > >score: + > >   2 Microvax IIs  (owned by me in 1989)  > >   1 Vaxstation 3100-30 > >   2 VAX 4000-200 > >   1 VAX 4000-600 > >   2 Alpha DS10Ls > > H > >I am sure there are hobbyists with many more machines than that. But  that  ; > >is one new machine (for me) on average every 2.1 years !  > G > Just pick a naming scheme that includes a large number of relatively   short 9 > names. My systems are currently named after elements :-  > 7 > So the VMS compatible node names could include all of  > 	 > HELIUM   > SODIUM > BARIUM > RADIUM > IRON > OSMIUM > COBALT > NICKEL > COPPER > SILVER > GOLD > ZINC > BORON  > CARBON > INDIUM > TIN  > LEAD	 > OXYGEN   > IODINE > NEON > ARGON  > XENON  > RADON  > CERIUM > ERBIUM > CURIUM >  > C > I think it unlikely I'll ever have that many VMS systems at home.   @ If you used the one- or two-character symbols for the elements, . you would not need to restrict the list  :-) .   >  >  >  >  > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University  " --=_alternative 004A14048525724D_=+ Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"      <br>J <br><font size=2><tt>david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote on 12/23/2006 06:27:55 AM:<br>  <br>F &gt; In article &lt;cc574$458d0459$cef8887a$14695@TEKSAVVY.COM&gt;, JF
 Mezei <br>6 &gt; &lt;jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca&gt; writes:<br>G &gt; &gt;Since I am adding yet another node to my cluster, the time has  come for one <br> M &gt; &gt;of the most difficult tasks for humanity: finding a nodename :-)<br> 
 &gt; &gt;<br> H &gt; &gt;With VMS 8.3 on alpha and 7.3 on VAX, I take it SCSNODENAME and DECNET node <br>9 &gt; &gt;names are still restricted to 6 characters ?<br> 
 &gt; &gt;<br> I &gt; The SCSNODE SYSGEN parameter is still restricted to 6 characters<br> 	 &gt; <br>  &gt; From an ALPHA VMS 8.3<br>	 &gt; <br> . &gt; SYSGEN&gt; HELP SYS_PARAMETER SCSNODE<br>	 &gt; <br>  &gt; &nbsp; SCSNODE<br> 	 &gt; <br> K &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;SCSNODE specifies the name of the computer.  This parameter is not<br> , &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;dynamic.<br>	 &gt; <br> H &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Specify SCSNODE as a string of up to six characters. Enclose the<br> > &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;string in quotation marks.<br>	 &gt; <br> J &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;G &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; NOTE<br> 	 &gt; <br> J &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; The maximum size of six characters is strictly enforced.<br> F &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; SYSBOOT truncates the value of SCSNODE if the size of the<br>G &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; system parameter is set to more  than six characters.<br>	 &gt; <br> 	 &gt; <br> K &gt; &gt;Would multinational characters be permitted in nodenames now ?<br> 
 &gt; &gt;<br> 	 &gt; <br>  &gt; I don't think so.<br>	 &gt; <br> 	 &gt; <br>  &gt; &gt;score:<br> ? &gt; &gt; &nbsp; 2 Microvax IIs &nbsp;(owned by me in 1989)<br> ) &gt; &gt; &nbsp; 1 Vaxstation 3100-30<br> # &gt; &gt; &nbsp; 2 VAX 4000-200<br> # &gt; &gt; &nbsp; 1 VAX 4000-600<br> # &gt; &gt; &nbsp; 2 Alpha DS10Ls<br> 
 &gt; &gt;<br> I &gt; &gt;I am sure there are hobbyists with many more machines than that. 
 But that <br> E &gt; &gt;is one new machine (for me) on average every 2.1 years !<br> 	 &gt; <br> I &gt; Just pick a naming scheme that includes a large number of relatively 	 short<br> @ &gt; names. My systems are currently named after elements :-<br>	 &gt; <br> > &gt; So the VMS compatible node names could include all of<br>	 &gt; <br>  &gt; HELIUM <br> &gt; SODIUM<br>  &gt; BARIUM<br>  &gt; RADIUM<br> 
 &gt; IRON<br>  &gt; OSMIUM<br>  &gt; COBALT<br>  &gt; NICKEL<br>  &gt; COPPER<br>  &gt; SILVER<br> 
 &gt; GOLD<br> 
 &gt; ZINC<br>  &gt; BORON<br> &gt; CARBON<br>  &gt; INDIUM<br>  &gt; TIN<br>
 &gt; LEAD<br>  &gt; OXYGEN &nbsp; <br>  &gt; IODINE<br> 
 &gt; NEON<br>  &gt; ARGON<br> &gt; XENON<br> &gt; RADON<br> &gt; CERIUM<br>  &gt; ERBIUM<br>  &gt; CURIUM<br> 	 &gt; <br> 	 &gt; <br> R &gt; I think it unlikely I'll ever have that many VMS systems at home.</tt></font> <br>F <br><font size=2><tt>If you used the one- or two-character symbols for the elements, </tt></font>F <br><font size=2><tt>you would not need to restrict the list &nbsp;:-) </tt></font> <br><font size=2><tt><br> 	 &gt; <br> 	 &gt; <br> 	 &gt; <br> 	 &gt; <br>  &gt; David Webb<br>  &gt; Security team leader<br> 
 &gt; CCSS<br>  &gt; Middlesex University<br>  </tt></font>$ --=_alternative 004A14048525724D_=--   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Dec 2006 08:26:32 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) + Subject: Re: Current nodename nomenclatures 3 Message-ID: <0A70RvEy7f29@eisner.encompasserve.org>   M In article <emj3rr$a7f$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: k > In article <cc574$458d0459$cef8887a$14695@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:   @ >>Would multinational characters be permitted in nodenames now ? >> >  > I don't think so.   J Lots of layered products rely upon the nodename, and rely upon the currentG restrictions (for instance by saying a symbol that violates those rules 8 is some other sort of name specific to the application).   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Dec 2006 09:19:42 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) + Subject: Re: Current nodename nomenclatures 3 Message-ID: <5717FPDrwwWr@eisner.encompasserve.org>   M In article <emjfcl$der$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:   r > In article <OF23C419CD.0BD93A45-ON8525724D.0049E2DE-8525724D.004A140A@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes:  - >>This is a multipart message in MIME format. $ >>--=_alternative 004A14048525724D_=. >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >>; >>david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote on 12/23/2006 06:27:55 AM: B >>If you used the one- or two-character symbols for the elements, 0 >>you would not need to restrict the list  :-) . >>E > True but then you might just as well go the whole hog and name them  >  > AA > AB > AC > .  > .  > .  > ZY > ZZ  E There is no need to restrict names to the _current_ set of elements !    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 13:30:09 GMT ' From: ChrisQuayle <nospam@devnul.co.uk>  Subject: Dec VWS Internals ?7 Message-ID: <Bbajh.22934$z01.1049@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>   H Does anyone know where docs describing dec's early vws windowing system H can be found ?. Am interested in theory, internal design, structure etc.  E Thanks in advance - tried google but got loads of car tuning stuff...    Chris    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 02:10:05 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>9 Subject: Re: Multiple time zones from a single VMS server 7 Message-ID: <c1b00$458cd675$cef8887a$1838@TEKSAVVY.COM>    John Santos wrote:J > All the contests I've seen (computer-based ones, not ones where you mailI > in the entries, and they go by the postmark) the deadlines are based on G > the timezone of the contest sponser, not the timezone of the entrant.   G There are some nationwide lotteries in Canada that are administered by  H provincial lottery corporations. The cut-off deadlines vary by province.  J So if the draw is at 23:00 EST,  it means that the BC Lottery cutoff must K be at 20:00 (matching the time of the drawing of numbers).  But in Quebec,  ; the cutoff is at 21:00, (two hours before the actual draw).   H In practice though, each province has its own separate systems, so they A don't have to deal with multiple time zones at the systems level.    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Dec 2006 00:23:57 -0800/ From: "Volker Halle" <volker_halle@hotmail.com> L Subject: Re: OpenVMS/Alpha V8.3 + Motif V1.6 + Password locked console crashB Message-ID: <1166862237.171975.211370@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>   John  B this PGFLOCBAD crash is most likely a problem in memory managementE (SYS$VM). TCPIP$INETACP is just a victim. Did you note, which process 
 was looping ?   C I do not immediately see a similarity with the problem discussed in D this thread - except the word 'crash' in the title. In this case, itF means that the VGA console screen became blanked/grayed when trying to  enter the screen saver password.   Volker.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 05:32:03 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>L Subject: Re: OpenVMS/Alpha V8.3 + Motif V1.6 + Password locked console crash7 Message-ID: <ad01$458d05cf$cef8887a$15046@TEKSAVVY.COM>    Volker Halle wrote: F >> I do not immediately see a similarity with the problem discussed inF > this thread - except the word 'crash' in the title. In this case, itH > means that the VGA console screen became blanked/grayed when trying to" > enter the screen saver password.    F I may be forced  to reboot my workstation in the next couple of weeks.  E I don't normally use "lock inactive workstation" setup, but would be  L willing to give it a try if you also provide me (and others) with the steps L needed before and after the crash to collect the information you would want.  F Or is this something you can easily reproduce at your end and are now F working on a resolution an no longer need examples of this happening ?  ! (have ds10L, 8.3 and Radeon 7500)    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Dec 2006 03:05:22 -0800/ From: "Volker Halle" <volker_halle@hotmail.com> L Subject: Re: OpenVMS/Alpha V8.3 + Motif V1.6 + Password locked console crashC Message-ID: <1166871922.909706.214530@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   	 Eberhard,   > I'm still in the process of gathering evidence. You showed theE subprocess termination data. Could you please enable image accounting E with SET ACC/ENA=IMAGE and provide the image termination record ? Was  it DTWM.EXE, which terminated ?   @ When the screen saver is active, DTSESSION seems to create a newE subprocess <username>_nnnn running DTSCREEN.EXE every 3 minutes (Time G per Background). The previous subprocess gets deleted. When your screen F gets greyed out, did you still get those DTSCREEN images running every8 3 minutes, before you tried to unlock your workstation ?   JF,   G a crash may not yet be needed. This thread and my customer's experience D seem to show, that this is a generic problem and I'm first trying toF come up with a concise reproducer. The upcoming holidays may be a good? time to leave your Alpha V8.3 workstation locked over night ;-)    Merry Christmas,   Volker.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 06:14:00 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>L Subject: Re: OpenVMS/Alpha V8.3 + Motif V1.6 + Password locked console crash8 Message-ID: <2f913$458d0fa1$cef8887a$19828@TEKSAVVY.COM>   Volker Halle wrote: H > come up with a concise reproducer. The upcoming holidays may be a goodA > time to leave your Alpha V8.3 workstation locked over night ;-)   I Yes, but I need the exact details of what you need to be done before and  D after the crash. You mentioned image accounting, what else ? If you K published the exact steps needed, perhaps a whole bunch of hobbyists could  + do this and give you plenty of information.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 03:19:28 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> Subject: VLAN support on VMS8 Message-ID: <c0243$458ce6ba$cef8887a$10734@TEKSAVVY.COM>  3 There has been mention that VMS now supports VLANs.   I In what way does VMS support VLANS and how is this usable ? What sort of  H applications would/could make use of such VLAN support ? How would this J interface with a switch such as a Cisco one ? (eg: what cisco commands to ) define that port as a vlan-capable host ?    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Dec 2006 10:02:06 -0800( From: "Ian Miller" <gxys@googlemail.com>  Subject: Re: VLAN support on VMSB Message-ID: <1166896926.913333.212140@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>   RTFMG http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/83FINAL/6679/6679pro_006.html#index_x_124   F http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/83final/6048/6048pro_035.html#lancp_part   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.705 ************************