1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 24 Dec 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 707       Contents:" Re: Current nodename nomenclatures, Re: Hobbyist PAK (whining, minor) complaints, Re: Open sourced VMS as a business concept ? Ping Mr S M Schweda 0 Relationship between node numbers, alloclass etc# Re: Whatever happened to Christmas? # Re: Whatever happened to Christmas? # Re: Whatever happened to Christmas?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 07:30:43 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> + Subject: Re: Current nodename nomenclatures ; Message-ID: <99475$458e1e93$50db507e$13936@news.hispeed.ch>    JF Mezei wrote: J > Since I am adding yet another node to my cluster, the time has come for F > one of the most difficult tasks for humanity: finding a nodename :-) > I > With VMS 8.3 on alpha and 7.3 on VAX, I take it SCSNODENAME and DECNET  3 > node names are still restricted to 6 characters ?  >    Correct.  @ > Would multinational characters be permitted in nodenames now ? >   / I believe that it is as it always was: A-Z, 0.9    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 10:32:27 -0600 3 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> 5 Subject: Re: Hobbyist PAK (whining, minor) complaints 0 Message-ID: <458EAB9B.6E8101B4@spam.comcast.net>   davidc@montagar.com wrote: >  > DeanW wrote:< > > On 12/22/06, Steven M. Schweda <sms@antinode.org> wrote:F > > > > >    3.  I miss the /HARDWARE_ID=serial_number qualifier [...] > > > L > > > > Is that missing?  It should be in the Base O/S PAK's but the LayeredJ > > > > Products can be loaded on any system/cluster for all participating& > > > > nodes and have no hardware id. > > M > > I just recently got base PAKs for Alpha & IA64- no hardware ID on either.  > F > You're right.  I used to do that, but dropped the hardware ID on theH > PAK generation when I modified it to procedure the Integrity PAK's.  IF > didn't realize that it would be missed so much, I can add it back...  J I find it a convenient place to store the serial number, since that is notN always available to/from the o.s. Otherwise, I'd be looking at the back of the machine every year.   I I suppose I could put this into my SYLOGICALS.COM or something, though...   / $ DEFINE/SYSTEM SYSTEM_SERIAL_NUMBER xxxxxxxxxx   I > > Hm- something to do it automagically would be cool- but an extra week H > > or two before expiration would be most appreciated. Of course, givenJ > > that, some of us would then find our dates marching forward... for theA > > same reason.- forgetting to renew them before they expire. ;)  > B > I'll add in an extra week.  Some DCL to parse the output of SHOWG > LICENSE would probably do the trick, since it displays the expiration  > date.   M I'm working on a "re-licensing" proc. in DCL using WGET that can be queued up 6 for a year from (whenever) or invoked manually, or ...  M For those machines that can receive e-mail directly, the old method of having L receipt of an e-mail trigger an automated action might be usable to have theC PAKs received be loaded automagically, so service continues without 
 interruption.   L My Jensen is the primary name server for my home LAN; so when Multinet stopsP working, name lookups on the PCs get quite annoying. That's one way to tell thatN the hobbyist licenses have expired. Another way is to try Telnetting in to seeO what's up and have that connection fail. Then, I must go to the serial console, , log in and SHOW LICENSE to verify my status.  F > > >    Thanks for the response (and the hobbyist effort in general). > >  > > Wot 'e said!   Agreed, whole-heartedly!   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Dec 2006 15:23:09 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)5 Subject: Re: Open sourced VMS as a business concept ? 0 Message-ID: <4v7katF1av90oU2@mid.individual.net>  6 In article <LVvjh.14563$v4.3525@newsfe3-win.ntli.net>,* 	ChrisQuayle <nospam@devnul.co.uk> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >  >>> J >>>Can you please tell us why you think so poorly of Linux? I'm NOT sayingH >>>you're wrong as I am not in a position to judge. I'm just asking what: >>>it is about Linux that makes you think so poorly of it. >>> 
 >>>Thanks. >>>  >>   >>  H >> NIH Syndrome.  Broken LPD implementation.  Broken NFS implementation.C >> Extremely inefficient TCPIP implementation.  Jus tto name a few.  >>  G >> How about this.  Everytime I try to compile CMU's Festival Lite on a H >> Debian Linux box I have at home it crashes X. Want to take a guess at >> how that happens?  :-)  >>  0 >> And we won't even get into the bogus license. >>   >> bill  >>   > , > My gripe is that it's becoming bloatware.   G Sadly, the bloat is creeping into the BSD's as well, thus my comment in G another thread about why it would be better to be able to run Ultrix-32 $ rather than NetBSD as HP recommends.  J >                                            If I install Debian Sarge on K > an Alphastation 250/4/266, it's nearly an order of magnitude slower than  B > Tru64 on identical hardware. Slow to the point that it's almost J > unusable. The same applies to Debian on Intel, compared to windows. Gut H > feeling suggests that the culprits are the graphics subsystems, which H > are starting to look far too complex and trivially decorative. If you J > run Openwindows, rather than Gnome or similar, it's actually quite fast I > and usable, which sort of confirms the suspicions. You need a powerull  J > machine to run Linux now - p3/500 is nowhere near good anough, which is $ > a long way from the original aims.  H Bloat totally aside, Linux is just too inefficient.  One of the problemsH with NIH Syndrome is they tend to ignore decades of research by the CSRGH and its follow-ons and just do things badly.  Frequently making the same0 mistakes others discovered and avoided long ago.   > F > I don't contribute to the linux effort, nor have time to, so should H > probably be gratefull, but would rather use Tru64 or Solaris, both of  > which look a lot cleaner...   G Have you tried FreeBSD on your Alpha?  I would be interested in hearing G what you thought and, especially, how it compares to Tru64.  I alsready G know how it compares to Linux as I have run both on Alphas in the past.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:04:41 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> Subject: Ping Mr S M Schweda8 Message-ID: <c0fde$458ec163$cef8887a$19198@TEKSAVVY.COM>  I I sent you an email some time ago (about the request for 8.3), but it is  9 still in my queues being retried and retried and retried.    So I tried manually and:  & $ telnet/port=25 mailhost.antinode.org+ %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 209.98.249.184 B %TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host mailhost.antinode.org, port 258 550 Your IP address or subnet is in my list of bad ones.    - %TELNET-S-REMCLOSED, Remote connection closed B -TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host mailhost.antinode.org, port 25    H (Interesting that TCPIP Services  5.3 on vax doesn't see this as a hard 	 bounce !)     J IF you did not specifically add me in your black list, I would appreciate L if you could provide a lice of RBLs that you use so I could check which one 8 (s) would declare me a spammer and remedy the situation.  H If you blocked my IP, then I guess you won't even want to reply to this.  ' I am at 206 dot 248 period 136 stop 122    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 10:25:47 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>9 Subject: Relationship between node numbers, alloclass etc 7 Message-ID: <c76d9$458e9c26$cef8887a$1921@TEKSAVVY.COM>    It is well known that the 4 SCSSYSTEMID = DECNET AREA*1024 + DECNET NODE NUMBER.    A But the rest seems to be at the discretion of the system manager.   H Is is worth the trouble of trying to synchronise the DECNET node number  with the TCPIP address ?  4 (eg: decnet node 1.10, TCPIP would be xx.xx.xx.10 ?)  L Is it also worth trying to synchronise the ALLOCLASS with a node number for  each node ?   B (eg: if you are decnet node 10, your alloclass would also be 10 ?)      K Also, in a cluster, the oldest node is the one to let a booting node in or  7 not. And it remembers nodes that have left the cluster.   K If I change the SCSYSTEMID on node VELO and then reboot that node, will it  " be allowed back into the cluster ?  F What about if I keep the SCSYSTEMID the same, but change the SCSNODE ?    H Is it correct to state that allocation class doesn't matter for cluster J membership, it only is used to name devices ? (eg: I can change alloclass K and then reboot - the existing nodes will see both the old devices (marked  6 unavailable) and the new ones with the new alloclass ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 11:14:00 +0100 " From: "Dr. Dweeb" <spam@dweeb.net>, Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Christmas?; Message-ID: <458e52e8$0$182$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>   - David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote: A > Is everyone too scared to declare "Merry Christmas" anymore????  > ? > Well, I hereby wish everyone here a VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS !!!!  > - > And to ou Jewish brethren , Happy Chanukah!  > ; > I have no idea if the Muslims have anything to celebrate.  > In my eyes probably not. >   ' Rammadan, and it has passed last month.      Dweeb.   >> 0)  >  > David Turner > Island Computers     ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 09:17:57 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>, Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Christmas?8 Message-ID: <1df7a$458e8c40$cef8887a$28840@TEKSAVVY.COM>   Dr. Dweeb wrote:) > Rammadan, and it has passed last month.   A Halloween (festivity for Wicken (witches)) was at end of October.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 10:46:11 -0600 3 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> , Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Christmas?/ Message-ID: <458EAED3.F929008@spam.comcast.net>   / "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" wrote:  > A > Is everyone too scared to declare "Merry Christmas" anymore????    (Cue: Cindy-Lou Who) <music>  Where are you, Christmas?  Why can't I find you?  ...  </music>  ? > Well, I hereby wish everyone here a VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS !!!!   1 To you, as well, and to all who visit this forum!   O May Joy of the Season be yours, and His Love and Peace be with you, now and all 	 the year!    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.707 ************************