1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 27 Dec 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 712       Contents:" Re: Audio Cast #2 is now available= Nonpaged pool expansion due to burst of OPCOM DECnet messages A Re: Nonpaged pool expansion due to burst of OPCOM DECnet messages , Re: Open sourced VMS as a business concept ?# Re: try again: modern LaTeX for VMS - Xlib: resource ID allocation space exhausted!   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 26 Dec 2006 19:17:36 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com + Subject: Re: Audio Cast #2 is now available + Message-ID: <emrsgg0mf2@enews1.newsguy.com>   ( Sue <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote:  6 > http://www.openvms.org/podcast/OWAU-2006-12-22-2.mp3  F > The first audio cast had over 1010 down loads which does not include. > the folks that copied it to their web sites.   > Warm Regards,  > Sue   K Did anyone else have problems getting this to download?  I was finally able K to get the complete file to download by pausing and restarting the download J multiple times in Safari (Safari worked marginally better than Firefox forK downloading it).  I downloaded the first on the night of 25th, and finished L download of the second on the morning of 26th after letting it sit trying to download all night.    		Zane   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Dec 2006 11:48:00 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>F Subject: Nonpaged pool expansion due to burst of OPCOM DECnet messagesB Message-ID: <1167162480.320904.312920@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  E Recently my company's network in its NY office went mostly down. This B caused a major flood of OPCOM messages from DECnet about adjacencyG being up and down and such. The result was that nonpaged pool expansion E occurred in varying amounts on many of my VAX systems. On nine of the < systems the expansion went all the way to the max: NPAGEVIR.  G I found an old comp.os.vms thread saying that a burst of OPCOM messages & can rapidly exhaust nonpaged pool. OK.  $ Questions: (I'm running VMS 6.2 VAX)  B 1.) Is there a patch? I searched through all the release notes for+ non-paged and didn't see anything relevant.   E 2.) Anything to do except to reboot to reclaim locked-up memory? IOW, 5 is there a way to protect against this, or something?   D 3.) I thought running out of nonpaged pool was bad and could cause aB system crash. None of my systems crashed from this. What saved me?   Thanks.    AEF    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Dec 2006 13:16:59 -0800) From: "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com> J Subject: Re: Nonpaged pool expansion due to burst of OPCOM DECnet messagesB Message-ID: <1167167819.077652.227660@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>  
 AEF wrote:G > Recently my company's network in its NY office went mostly down. This D > caused a major flood of OPCOM messages from DECnet about adjacencyI > being up and down and such. The result was that nonpaged pool expansion G > occurred in varying amounts on many of my VAX systems. On nine of the > > systems the expansion went all the way to the max: NPAGEVIR. > I > I found an old comp.os.vms thread saying that a burst of OPCOM messages ( > can rapidly exhaust nonpaged pool. OK. > & > Questions: (I'm running VMS 6.2 VAX) > D > 1.) Is there a patch? I searched through all the release notes for- > non-paged and didn't see anything relevant.  > G > 2.) Anything to do except to reboot to reclaim locked-up memory? IOW, 7 > is there a way to protect against this, or something?  > F > 3.) I thought running out of nonpaged pool was bad and could cause aD > system crash. None of my systems crashed from this. What saved me? > 	 > Thanks.  >  > AEF    AEF,  E Running out of pool can indeed cause a crash, but if the shortfall is  momentary, one can be lucky.  C In your case, as described in the posting, it would appear that the F burst of messages caused the pool to expand, and luckily the transientG condition of full pool did not obstruct anything important [this time].   G I doubt that there is anything that can be done. On the other hand, are D the systems affected by this pool expansion operating in an abnormalE way? If normal operation is ongoing, without ill effects, there is no  operational problems.   $ - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Dec 2006 19:40:45 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com 5 Subject: Re: Open sourced VMS as a business concept ? + Message-ID: <emrtrt0quv@enews1.newsguy.com>   ( ChrisQuayle <nospam@devnul.co.uk> wrote: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:  I > > NIH Syndrome.  Broken LPD implementation.  Broken NFS implementation. D > > Extremely inefficient TCPIP implementation.  Jus tto name a few.  H I'll bite, what is broken about LPD, and *which* LPD are you using.  I'mK using LPRng to provide Unix printing to hundreds of printers and a bunch of , plotters for a wide variety of Unix clients.  I > My gripe is that it's becoming bloatware. If I install Debian Sarge on  K > an Alphastation 250/4/266, it's nearly an order of magnitude slower than  B > Tru64 on identical hardware. Slow to the point that it's almost J > unusable. The same applies to Debian on Intel, compared to windows. Gut H > feeling suggests that the culprits are the graphics subsystems, which H > are starting to look far too complex and trivially decorative. If you J > run Openwindows, rather than Gnome or similar, it's actually quite fast I > and usable, which sort of confirms the suspicions. You need a powerull  J > machine to run Linux now - p3/500 is nowhere near good anough, which is $ > a long way from the original aims.  K Linux has been suffering from *MAJOR* bloat for at least 10 years.  The GUI D environment is defintely the biggest culprit.  I'm running a copy ofI Afterstep that is one of the pre-V1 beta's.  I grabbed the source-code 10 K years ago to run on AIX 3.2, and amazingly it still builds on current Linux G builds.  Even Motif is lightweight compared to current Window managers!   K See which will roll over and play dead first as you start putting a heavier L and heavier load on it, a currnet high-end PC running Linux, an older decentF PC running Solaris/x86, or an old low-end SGI system running a current version of IRIX.  F > I don't contribute to the linux effort, nor have time to, so should H > probably be gratefull, but would rather use Tru64 or Solaris, both of  > which look a lot cleaner...   K Since IRIX is basically a dead platform now, Solaris is my Unix platform of K choice.  Though these days I mainly use it to exercise scavanged HD's prior $ to installing them on my VMS server.  K I don't consider Mac OS X to be Unix, or even very efficient, however, I am H grateful for the Unix layer and X-Windows, as it keeps me from having to$ turn on a Unix box most of the time.   		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 22:23:28 -0500 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> , Subject: Re: try again: modern LaTeX for VMS; Message-ID: <WLadnWFC8PfPegzYnZ2dnUVZ_oannZ2d@adelphia.com>    [followups set to comp.os.vms]  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: I > I am looking for a MODERN LaTeX ([TEXMF...] distribution for VMS, i.e.  I > where at most I customise a few lines in 2 or 3 files and it works out  
 > of the box.  > C > Several years ago, I did something like this with Ralf Grtner's  I > distribution.  If he has a modern one, that would be what I am looking  ; > for.  Or perhaps someone else has done something similar.  > J > In an ideal world, I would save my site-specific files somewhere, delete> > [TEXMF...], grab the latest tar archive, unpack it, merge myI > site-specific files with the corresponding new ones and I'd be all set.  > 2 > I don't think it's that easy, though.  Or is it?  H Have you been following what I have been doing with the building of the  components of GTK+?   G I unpack the tarball into a SRC_ROOT:[*...] tree and write protect it.  H Alternatively, I use an NFS served disk to have a LINUX system keep the D SRC_ROOT:[*...] directory tree populated with a pre-release version  directory tree.   E I create a VMS_ROOT:[*...] directory tree that will only contain the  3 files created or modified for a VMS specific build.   D I create a LCL_ROOT:[*...] directory tree for each VMS platform and E possibly version for the binaries to be created into.  The LCL_ROOT:  H directory is the only directory that the build procedure has permission  to put files in.  H Then I create a search list logical name PRJ_ROOT that is defined to be : LCL_ROOT:, VMS_ROOT:, SRC_ROOT:, and set my default to it.  @ The UNIX build procedures see the directory tree being based as B /prj_root/ and the files in LCL_ROOT: and VMS_ROOT will hide them.  G With the current GNV kit for 8.3, of which I have the BASH, CC, and AR  @ images linked to run on 8.2 alpha, I can now run the same build I procedures as on a UNIX system for many packages.  As GNV is distributed  B with source, anyone can relink it on 8.2 if needed.  As the build H procedures for those modules may be defining _USE_STD_STAT, minor edits 6 are needed to build the source on versions before 8.2.  B The CC program is a wrapper that does the CC,GCC,G++,LD commands, % depending on the name of the program.   B In some cases the VMS port involves exporting some symbols before I running make or configure, and in other cases, it involves creating some  ; GNV$*.* files to give the CC program some additional hints.   F For module "foo.bar", the CC program looks for "GNV$foo.bar_FIRST" in ? the same directory, and includes it first so that VMS specific  , definitions and routines are included first.  9 If that file is not found, then the CC wrapper looks for  D $(GNV_OPT_DIR)GNV$FIRST_INCLUDE.H , and if found is included by the # compiler before the source modules.   I For the LD (linker) function of the CC program, the for the image "foo",  C the CC wrapper looks for the "$(GNV_OPT_DIR)GNV$foo.OPT" and if it  . exists, uses it as an option file for linking.  2 See the files in: ftp://ftp.encompasserve.org/gnv/  ) A simple example to review is pkg-config:   3    jem-axpvms-pkgconfig-v0021-0e1-1.pcsi_compressed %    jem-axpvms-pkgconfig-v0021-0e1.zip   G There you can see how I handled that the OpenVMS passwd structure does  H not contain a pw_gecos member with out modifying the original PKGCONFIG  code.   H This basically means that updating pkg-config to a more current version ' will probably just be a compile and go.   8 One of the things that I typically have to put into the B GNV$FIRST_INCLUDE.H or the GNV$*.*_FIRST is #pragma statements to E suppress warning messages, as the HP C compilers by default diagnose   pointer and const mis-matches.  I So if you are targeting a current release of OpenVMS Alpha or I64, it is  J quite possible that you can convince the UNIX build procedure to just run.  I I gave a session about using GNV for porting at the last bootcamp, and I  H am sure that someone here could get you the files that were distributed  as part of it.   Enrico Gregorio wrote:  >+  > Are you meaning OpenVMS or true VAX/VMS?   I OpenVMS is the official name for the VMS product on VAX from version 5.5  D onward, and also for the VMS product on the ALPHA and I64 platforms.  G The term VAX/VMS implies a release of 5.4 or earlier.  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