1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 31 Dec 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 720       Contents:3 Re: %MAIL-F-CODERR reading a big wastebasket folder & Re: DECterm special escape sequences ?& Re: DECterm special escape sequences ?& Re: DECterm special escape sequences ? Re: Formatting an IDE drive ?  Re: Formatting an IDE drive ? , Re: Hobbyist PAK (whining, minor) complaints, Re: Hobbyist PAK (whining, minor) complaints, Re: Hobbyist PAK (whining, minor) complaints, Re: Hobbyist PAK (whining, minor) complaints, Re: Hobbyist PAK (whining, minor) complaints, Re: Hobbyist PAK (whining, minor) complaints LANCP and CLUSTER_CONFIG+ Re: Renaming a root from [SYS0] to [SYS1] ? + Re: Renaming a root from [SYS0] to [SYS1] ?  Re: vmware VMS ISO ? Re: vmware VMS ISO ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 30 Dec 2006 21:18:50 -0800< From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com>< Subject: Re: %MAIL-F-CODERR reading a big wastebasket folderB Message-ID: <1167542330.222587.78520@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>   Paul Sture wrote: E > In article <1167430906.946856.204060@k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, , >  "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote: > ) > > Very large mail file (70,000+ blocks)  : H > > "Select wastebasket" just ran for 2 hours (on an unloaded DS15), and, > > appeared to be spinning in a tight loop. : D > Why use 'SELECT' here? It's probably building an array of RFAs (or1 > something similar) for access at a later point.  >    Agreed. Why SELECT? Just PURGE?   0 Or.. how much 'real' Email is there in the file?D You could consider saving/moving what deserved saving to a differentG mail file in a different directory and then delete the big file (70,000 G blocks is big but not offensive) and its external files (MAIL$xxx.MAI).   G To optimize this process some, consider pre-creating the save file with D a somewhat tuned FDL (Notably: pre-allocated to 10,000? extent 5000?B larger bucket size for the aread holding key 1 (which will get the, duplicate chains for MAIL/INBOX/WASTEBASKET)    & > In analyzing the file, you might try >  > $ ANALYZE /RMS /FDL filename > H > At the end of the resulting .FDL file, you will probably see some huge  > value for  DUPLICATES_PER_SIDR  ( Yeah, probably. See tuning advice above. For all gory details read:> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/v2/articles/rms.html  
 Good luck, Hein,    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Dec 2006 15:05:08 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) / Subject: Re: DECterm special escape sequences ? 3 Message-ID: <K0mWDBmjiR5q@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <zYGdndtdQb2CGgvYnZ2dnUVZ_vbinZ2d@comcast.com>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes: > Michael Moroney wrote:  N >> What you call the 'VT100 "standard"' already _is_ a published, non Digital & >> standard. It's ANSI standard X3.64. > I > The ANSI X3.64 standard is a subset of VT100.  DEC added a lot of "DEC   > private" escape sequences.  > It seems to me the VT100 would have preceeded ANSI X-whatever.  A Likely DEC had to add a lot of "DEC private" because ANSI was not @ willing to accept the whole thing (in the tradition of standardsD committees not wanting to give one vendor too much of a head start).   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 01:31:44 -0000 / From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> / Subject: Re: DECterm special escape sequences ? 0 Message-ID: <12pe4o0hs0f2jd8@corp.supernews.com>  2 Richard B. Gilbert <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:  J > ANSI X3.64-1979 was first released in 1979 which, I believe, was a year % > or two before the VT100 came along.    after: 1976 ( (google can show you several references)  B (google can also show you that x3.64 was withdrawn some time ago).   --   Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net  ftp://invisible-island.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 03:38:27 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> / Subject: Re: DECterm special escape sequences ? J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-198A93.03382731122006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  : In article <ncydndqF54ExQwvYnZ2dnUVZ_smonZ2d@comcast.com>,5  "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:    > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > K > > In article <zYGdndtdQb2CGgvYnZ2dnUVZ_vbinZ2d@comcast.com>, "Richard B.  - > > Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:  > >  > >>Michael Moroney wrote: > >  > > P > >>>What you call the 'VT100 "standard"' already _is_ a published, non Digital ( > >>>standard. It's ANSI standard X3.64. > >>K > >>The ANSI X3.64 standard is a subset of VT100.  DEC added a lot of "DEC   > >>private" escape sequences. > >  > > B > > It seems to me the VT100 would have preceeded ANSI X-whatever. > > E > > Likely DEC had to add a lot of "DEC private" because ANSI was not D > > willing to accept the whole thing (in the tradition of standardsH > > committees not wanting to give one vendor too much of a head start). > J > ANSI X3.64-1979 was first released in 1979 which, I believe, was a year % > or two before the VT100 came along.    http://www.vt100.net/vt_history    "VT100  D Digitals first ANSI-compliant terminal, introduced in August 1978."  C which tallies extremely well with my memories of a PDP upgrade and  B moving that system out of what could best be described as a broom ? cupboard into a proper computer room, our first VT100 included.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:22:59 -0600 3 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> & Subject: Re: Formatting an IDE drive ?0 Message-ID: <45972D13.31C43DC9@spam.comcast.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > 1 > Sorry if this is truly a newbie question but...  > D > On an Alpha DS10L, how does one go about formatting an IDE drive ? > I > I've looked at the console manual and there is no mention for format or K > formatting (only inFORMATion ). And the on-line help at the >>> prompt is ! > also devoid of obvious command.  > ? > On VAXes, it was usually a TEST XX command to format a drive.  > K > Is there an equivalent for ALpha ? If not, is there a command from VMS to   > actually format an IDE drive ?  N If you mean low-level format, I'm not aware of any. Then again, I have nothing% trying to run with/from an IDE drive.   I If you mean ala "FORMAT/U D:", remember that VMS needs only the low-level P format. Beyond that, partitions (FDISK) and subsequent "formatting" are not used in the VMS world.   G The exception, of course, is an OpenVMS-I64 system disk. Whole separate L discussion, and there many out there more qualified than I am to discuss it.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 22:34:30 -0700 $ From: Jeff Campbell <n8wxs@arrl.net>& Subject: Re: Formatting an IDE drive ?2 Message-ID: <1167543352_6101@sp6iad.superfeed.net>   David J Dachtera wrote:  > JF Mezei wrote: 2 >> Sorry if this is truly a newbie question but... >>E >> On an Alpha DS10L, how does one go about formatting an IDE drive ?  >>J >> I've looked at the console manual and there is no mention for format orL >> formatting (only inFORMATion ). And the on-line help at the >>> prompt is" >> also devoid of obvious command. >>@ >> On VAXes, it was usually a TEST XX command to format a drive. >>L >> Is there an equivalent for ALpha ? If not, is there a command from VMS to! >> actually format an IDE drive ?  > P > If you mean low-level format, I'm not aware of any. Then again, I have nothing' > trying to run with/from an IDE drive.    JF,   B Try the AlphaBIOS console on your DS10L. While it's there to allowE access to the MYLEX RAID controllers, the menu has a Hard Drive Setup D option. If it's functional, you could format a FAT partition on your drive. 8-) 8-)   > K > If you mean ala "FORMAT/U D:", remember that VMS needs only the low-level R > format. Beyond that, partitions (FDISK) and subsequent "formatting" are not used > in the VMS world.  > I > The exception, of course, is an OpenVMS-I64 system disk. Whole separate N > discussion, and there many out there more qualified than I am to discuss it. >    Jeff  Q ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Dec 2006 14:36:27 -0800 From: davidc@montagar.com 5 Subject: Re: Hobbyist PAK (whining, minor) complaints B Message-ID: <1167518187.118876.286750@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   David J Dachtera wrote: ) > Don't have either MMS or MMK installed.   > MMK is free from MadGoat.  You can use it as nearly a complete replacement for MMS.  9 > > And VMS V7.3-2 is just about obsolete, too, you know.  > R > Trying to continue support for the older VMS. May have to give up on it, though.6 > PIPE in V7.2-2 is seriously broken compared to V7.3. > J > I recently gave a presentation at work for both Cerner and EMC wherein IO > underscored the importance of continuing support/development on/for V7.3-2 of N > OpenVMS since that's where Cerner sites will be staying until Cerner commitsR > (publicly) to some version of VMS later than V7.3-2 on Alpha, and/or any versionK > on I64, or until migration to some other platform is mandated by business  > imperatives.  E I still support V6.2 VAX systems...  There are two problems with some D of this.  While I agree that supporting older versions is very good,E sometimes it's rather inconvenient to back-port software that expects ? features that aren't available in older versions.  With wget in G particular, these are increasing expectations of functions in libc (the D Unix variants) that are only recently being introduced into OpenVMS.  E But hey, let us know where the problems are, and I'm sure we can help ? figure it out.  After you get it done, I'd be happy to host the  completed wget.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:07:59 -0600 (CST) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)5 Subject: Re: Hobbyist PAK (whining, minor) complaints 2 Message-ID: <06123017075964_2020028F@antinode.org>   From: davidc@montagar.com    > David J Dachtera wrote: + > > Don't have either MMS or MMK installed.  > @ > MMK is free from MadGoat.  You can use it as nearly a complete > replacement for MMS.  I    I figured that virtually everyone would have one or the other by now.  H Certainly, everyone should have one or the other by now.  Development isC much easier using MMS or MMK, and maintaining two sets of ever more D complex builders wastes a lot of time and effort, so I tend to offer MMS-MMK only these days.  G    I'm a little slow here because Info-VAX seems to be running a little  behind, but regarding these:  .       %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         DECC$GXSNPRINTF /       %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         DECC$GXVSNPRINTF  -       %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         DECC$NANOSLEEP    D I'd guess that a complete re-build might help.  In wget, most of theB newer C RTL features are handled with __CRTL_VER conditionality inE [.VMS]CONFIG.H_VMS, but that's all compile-time stuff, and much of it G seems to depend "__CRTL_VER >= 70300000", which is to say, V7.3.  (This E amounts to what a UNIX "configure" script will do by explicit feature H testing.)  If you look through [.VMS]VMS_NOTES.TXT, you can see evidenceG of places where I failed to get the conditionality right, but I believe  that it's all swell now.  F    I would not bet that wget 1.10.xxx will work with a pre-V7.0 C RTL,E but I'd expect it to survive anything from V7.0 on (if you compile it H yourself).  Please don't tell me that you also lack a C compiler.  Note,@ too, that installing a new C compiler can provide optional C RTL- updates.  (See SYS$LIBRARY:DECC$CRTL.README.)   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:15:05 -0600 3 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> 5 Subject: Re: Hobbyist PAK (whining, minor) complaints 0 Message-ID: <45972B39.5499EA01@spam.comcast.net>   "Steven M. Schweda" wrote: >  > From: davidc@montagar.com  >  > > David J Dachtera wrote: - > > > Don't have either MMS or MMK installed.  > > B > > MMK is free from MadGoat.  You can use it as nearly a complete > > replacement for MMS. > J >    I figured that virtually everyone would have one or the other by now.J > Certainly, everyone should have one or the other by now.  Development isE > much easier using MMS or MMK, and maintaining two sets of ever more F > complex builders wastes a lot of time and effort, so I tend to offer > MMS-MMK only these days. > I >    I'm a little slow here because Info-VAX seems to be running a little  > behind, but regarding these: > / >       %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         DECC$GXSNPRINTF 0 >       %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         DECC$GXVSNPRINTF. >       %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         DECC$NANOSLEEP > F > I'd guess that a complete re-build might help.  In wget, most of theD > newer C RTL features are handled with __CRTL_VER conditionality inG > [.VMS]CONFIG.H_VMS, but that's all compile-time stuff, and much of it I > seems to depend "__CRTL_VER >= 70300000", which is to say, V7.3.  (This G > amounts to what a UNIX "configure" script will do by explicit feature J > testing.)  If you look through [.VMS]VMS_NOTES.TXT, you can see evidenceI > of places where I failed to get the conditionality right, but I believe  > that it's all swell now. > H >    I would not bet that wget 1.10.xxx will work with a pre-V7.0 C RTL,G > but I'd expect it to survive anything from V7.0 on (if you compile it J > yourself).  Please don't tell me that you also lack a C compiler.  Note,B > too, that installing a new C compiler can provide optional C RTL/ > updates.  (See SYS$LIBRARY:DECC$CRTL.README.)   J Well, still "living" in a corporate environment, I have to assume that the (hobbyist) user is:   # - Not a C(, BASIC, etc.) programmer E - Does not have a compiler license (the compiler itself is on the CD) 0 - Does not (need to) support a build environment  N Basically, taking my cue from Hunter ala the kits he posts on "FILESERV" whereK one need only, at most, reLINK from .OBJs/.OLBs provided in the kit. (Samba A V2.2-8 used to follow this model, also - dunno if it still does.)   O Ease of installation/use in the hobbyist world should translate directly to the P corporate (for profit) world, in my view. Few - if any - packages from "OpenVMS,M Inc." or third-parties require (or offer the option of) building from source; : so, I believe this genre of code should follow that model.  , Maybe that's why I don't really fit in here.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:34:42 -0600 3 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> 5 Subject: Re: Hobbyist PAK (whining, minor) complaints 0 Message-ID: <45972FD2.D4A962C8@spam.comcast.net>   davidc@montagar.com wrote: >  > David J Dachtera wrote:  > > davidc@montagar.com wrote: > > >  > > > David J Dachtera wrote: V > > > > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ mcr DKA0:[DDACHTERA.WGET-1_10_2A_VMS.SRC.ALPHAL]wget --helpK > > > > %IMGACT-F-SYMVECMIS, shareable image's symbol vector table mismatch ? > > > > -IMGACT-F-FIXUPERR, error when WGET referenced DECC$SHR  > > > M > > > Looks like you have an image linked on V7.3.  Unless it needs something < > > > V7.3 specific, you should be able to relink on V7.2-2. > > H > > I don't seem to have the necessary .OLB references set up correctly: > > O > > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ define odir DKA0:[DDACHTERA.WGET-1_10_2A_VMS.SRC.ALPHAL] 9 > > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ link wget.opt/opt/exe=wget.exe/map * > > %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 3 undefined symbols:+ > > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         DECC$GXSNPRINTF , > > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         DECC$GXVSNPRINTF* > > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         DECC$NANOSLEEPA > > %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol DECC$GXSNPRINTF referenced - > >         in psect $LINK$ offset %X000004C0 T > >         in module FTP-BASIC file DKA0:[DDACHTERA.WGET-1_10_2A_VMS.SRC.ALPHAL]FTP > > -BASIC.OBJ;1B > > %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol DECC$GXVSNPRINTF referenced- > >         in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000330 T > >         in module LOG file DKA0:[DDACHTERA.WGET-1_10_2A_VMS.SRC.ALPHAL]LOG.OBJ;1@ > > %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol DECC$NANOSLEEP referenced- > >         in psect $LINK$ offset %X000000E0 T > >         in module UTILS file DKA0:[DDACHTERA.WGET-1_10_2A_VMS.SRC.ALPHAL]UTILS.O > > BJ;1A > > %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol DECC$GXSNPRINTF referenced - > >         in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000430 T > >         in module UTILS file DKA0:[DDACHTERA.WGET-1_10_2A_VMS.SRC.ALPHAL]UTILS.O > > BJ;1B > > %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol DECC$GXVSNPRINTF referenced- > >         in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000CA0 T > >         in module UTILS file DKA0:[DDACHTERA.WGET-1_10_2A_VMS.SRC.ALPHAL]UTILS.O > > BJ;1 > > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ > G > See the following link - it appears there is an external library that H > can provide that support for older versions of OpenVMS (Samba ran into > this too). > H > http://mvb.saic.com/freeware/vmslt04b/samba/samba-vms-2_2_8-020105.txt > ? > These versions of *printf are better to use, and are becoming G > increasingly common since they provide buffer overflow protection for  > *printf functions.  # Well, that gets me a little closer:    DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ reca link5 DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ link wget.opt/opt/exe=wget.exe/map % %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 1 undefined symbol: ' %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         DECC$NANOSLEEP  < %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol DECC$NANOSLEEP referenced)         in psect $LINK$ offset %X000000E0 P         in module UTILS file DKA0:[DDACHTERA.WGET-1_10_2A_VMS.SRC.ALPHAL]UTILS.O BJ;1   Steve S.? Any clues?   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:42:51 -0800 % From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com> 5 Subject: Re: Hobbyist PAK (whining, minor) complaints I Message-ID: <3f119ada0612301942h5798c80cx1f4c521c0b06eb0c@mail.gmail.com>   A On 12/30/06, David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> wrote: L > Well, still "living" in a corporate environment, I have to assume that the > (hobbyist) user is:  > % > - Not a C(, BASIC, etc.) programmer   9 That'd be me... We work in DEC Pascal, for the most part.   G > - Does not have a compiler license (the compiler itself is on the CD)   C The Hobbyist layered Product licenses cover practically everything, C including ADA, BASIC, C, COBOL, FORTRAN, and Pascal compilers, plus C MMS. I suspect almost every VMS license available from HP is in the  Hobbyist LP pack. Nice.   2 > - Does not (need to) support a build environmentQ > Ease of installation/use in the hobbyist world should translate directly to the R > corporate (for profit) world, in my view. Few - if any - packages from "OpenVMS,O > Inc." or third-parties require (or offer the option of) building from source; < > so, I believe this genre of code should follow that model.  F While kits are available pre-compiled, the source for CSWS, PHP, WASD, etc. is also available.   F *IF* the source can compile out of the kit with an install script, I'mF OK- but if it takes much fiddling, I'm likely over my head. That said,C I'd rather not have to muck with the things if I didn't have to, so A pre-compiled to whatever degree is feasible would be my preferred  choice.   @ Right now, I'm trying to get GhostScript and support libs (JPEG,E FreeType, etc.) off the ground in my (hobbyist) RX2600. It's all been E done on Alpha, so it should be doable, but not being a C afficianado,  it's a struggle.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 22:22:11 -0600 3 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> 5 Subject: Re: Hobbyist PAK (whining, minor) complaints 0 Message-ID: <45973AF3.1D38E596@spam.comcast.net>   DeanW wrote: > C > On 12/30/06, David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> wrote: N > > Well, still "living" in a corporate environment, I have to assume that the > > (hobbyist) user is:  > > ' > > - Not a C(, BASIC, etc.) programmer  > ; > That'd be me... We work in DEC Pascal, for the most part.  > I > > - Does not have a compiler license (the compiler itself is on the CD)  > E > The Hobbyist layered Product licenses cover practically everything, E > including ADA, BASIC, C, COBOL, FORTRAN, and Pascal compilers, plus E > MMS. I suspect almost every VMS license available from HP is in the  > Hobbyist LP pack. Nice.  > 4 > > - Does not (need to) support a build environmentS > > Ease of installation/use in the hobbyist world should translate directly to the T > > corporate (for profit) world, in my view. Few - if any - packages from "OpenVMS,Q > > Inc." or third-parties require (or offer the option of) building from source; > > > so, I believe this genre of code should follow that model. > H > While kits are available pre-compiled, the source for CSWS, PHP, WASD, > etc. is also available.  > H > *IF* the source can compile out of the kit with an install script, I'mH > OK- but if it takes much fiddling, I'm likely over my head. That said,E > I'd rather not have to muck with the things if I didn't have to, so C > pre-compiled to whatever degree is feasible would be my preferred 	 > choice.  > B > Right now, I'm trying to get GhostScript and support libs (JPEG,G > FreeType, etc.) off the ground in my (hobbyist) RX2600. It's all been G > done on Alpha, so it should be doable, but not being a C afficianado,  > it's a struggle.   Your pain is my pain.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 00:53:53 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>! Subject: LANCP and CLUSTER_CONFIG 8 Message-ID: <d9e28$45975091$cef8887a$17611@TEKSAVVY.COM>  E This is on a relatively virgin node, Alpha 8.3. (started off as 8.2).   G When doing a cluster config, it first fails because LANCP doesn't have  A MOPDLL enabled. So you have to go into LANCP and SET DEVICE EWA0  E /MOPDLL=ENABLE.  This should be done automatically by cluster config.   4 Secondly, once you've answered all questions, I got:>     The following workstation windowing options are available:  "         1. No workstation software*         2. DECwindows Workstation Software   Enter choice [1]: 1 %      Creating directory tree SYS0 ...       System root SYS0 created ! Will GEAR be a disk server [N]? y ! Will GEAR serve RFxx disks [N]? n 4 Enter a value for GEAR's ALLOCLASS parameter [0]: 11K      Updating LANACP LAN server process volatile and permanent databases... G      The following error occurred when accessing the LANCP boot server  	 database:   2 %LANCP-I-FNFNOD, File not found, LAN$NODE_DATABASE1 -LANCP-I-CREATNOD, Created LAN$NODE_DATABASE file D %LANCP-E-CONVERT, Database entry format not current, please convert  database usi ng the CONVERT command: -LANCP-E-FERRDEV, Error accessing LAN$DEVICE_DATABASE file  5 Please correct the error and reinvoke this procedure.    REMOVING the node.  * (followed by a whole bunch of delete logs)  : Seems one must first do a LANCP CONVERT NODE_DATABASE and ' CONVERT_DEVICE_DATABASE for it to work.   K Perhaps this should be done by the upgrade/install procedure for VMS. Just  - a suggestion to make VMS more idiot-friendly.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 18:03:42 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>4 Subject: Re: Renaming a root from [SYS0] to [SYS1] ?8 Message-ID: <49ff8$4596f074$cef8887a$24982@TEKSAVVY.COM>   David J Dachtera wrote:   I > Be aware that existing queue entries may point to the 'sy0'[sys0.] path B > explicitly. The results may range from entertaining to alarming.  $ Queue entries are stored by file-id.  H My actual queue database is on another system, so the renaming wouldn't 
 affect it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:48:41 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>4 Subject: Re: Renaming a root from [SYS0] to [SYS1] ?7 Message-ID: <ac037$4597252d$cef8887a$7852@TEKSAVVY.COM>    Report1:  J No fireworks. No sparks. No eirie lights, no grumbling out of the DS10L's G primitive speaker. No smoke. (this message is being written on Mozilla  , which was running at the time of the rename)   Here is what was done:   $ type rename_root.com $say :== "write sys$output"  $say "Renaming the root"/ $set file $disk4:[000000]sys0.dir/prot=(s:rwed) ; $rename $disk4:[000000]sys0.dir $disk4:[000000]sys1.dir/log . $set file $disk4:[000000]sys1.dir/prot=(s:rwe) $! $say "Redefinining logicals" $!6 $define/log/system/exec/trans=(conc,term) SYS$COMMON - 		$2$dqa0:[sys1.syscommon.] 8 $define/log/system/exec/trans=(conc,term) SYS$SPECIFIC - 		$2$dqa0:[sys1.] % $define/log/system/exec sys$sysroot - / 	$2$DQA0:[sys1.]/trans=(conc,term) , SYS$COMMON   $DEFINE/SYSTEM SYS$TOPSYS [SYS1] $! $!2 $define/log/process/trans=(conc,term) KRB$USER   -! 		$2$DQA0:[SYS1.SYSMGR.KRB.BIKE.] 6 $define/log/system/exec/trans=conc CDE$SYSTEM_COMMON -. 	$2$DQA0:[SYS1.SYSCOMMON.CDE$DEFAULTS.SYSTEM.]: $define/log/system/exec/trans=conc CDE$SYSTEM_SPECIFIC - 	% 		$2$DQA0:[SYS1.CDE$DEFAULTS.SYSTEM.] 4 $define/log/system/exec/trans=conc CDE$USER_COMMON -, 	$2$DQA0:[SYS1.SYSCOMMON.CDE$DEFAULTS.USER.]6 $define/log/system/exec/trans=conc CDE$USER_SPECIFIC -" 	$2$DQA0:[SYS1.CDE$DEFAULTS.USER.]6 $define/log/system/exec/trans=(conc,term) KRB$COMMON -# 	$2$DQA0:[SYS1.SYSCOMMON.KERBEROS.]    -------------------------------    Not all is perfect though.  L INSTALL still sees files installed via [SYS0] root. So some commands do not G work. So far, anything linked against SECURESHRP.EXE seems to complain.      So I did the following:   A $ install replace $2$dqa0:[sys1.syscommon.syslib]secureshrp.exe - $ 	/open/header/share/protect/resident8 %INSTALL-I-NONRES, image installed ignoring '/RESIDENT' 4 DISK$FREEWHEEL:<sys1.SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB>SECURESHRP.EXEH -INSTALL-E-NOGHREG, insufficient memory in the code or data granularity  hint region     L Despite the message, ustilities such as TCPIP are now functional again. And I once I create the new root fr the new alpha , it will recreate a path to  8 sys$common via [sys0] which the installed images expect.  % OK, another thing which doesn't work: 0 $ editr/tpu/interface=decwindows rename_root.com+ %TPU-E-INVINTERFACE, unrecognized interface   9 However, the character cell version of TPU does function.   J I'll post this now just In case I do crash the system. Seems that I can't  start new decwindows apps.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 13:07:27 -0600 3 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>  Subject: Re: vmware VMS ISO ? 0 Message-ID: <4596B8EF.CA257821@spam.comcast.net>   H Vlems wrote: > / > "Nicopil@mi" <---@---.com> schreef in bericht . > news:4594386e$0$287$426a74cc@news.free.fr...K > > Hi, do you know where i could find a vmware image of an Open VMS system  > > (even an hobbyst version) ?  > > " > > My computer runs on Windows XP > >  > >  > > thks > > bye  > > Nico > >  > > D > Umm, could you be a bit more specific on what you're trying to do?G > It is quite possible to upload/download an (ISO) image of a (VAX/)VMS  > distribution kit.   O However, as has been pointed out numerous times in the past, VMS CDs do not use L ISO-9660, they use either ODS-2 or ODS-5. So, technically, they're not "ISO" images, they're "ODS" images.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 13:12:44 -0600 3 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>  Subject: Re: vmware VMS ISO ? 0 Message-ID: <4596BA2C.B4F2B74D@spam.comcast.net>   "Nicopil@mi" wrote:  > I > Hi, do you know where i could find a vmware image of an Open VMS system  > (even an hobbyst version) ?  >   > My computer runs on Windows XP  : At first glance, the question suggests a bit of confusion.  H 1. VMware provides the virtual machine environment within which the host operating systems run.  O 2. The VAX or Alpha emulator is, of itself, not an operating system; rather, it N is an application (of sorts - a CPU emulator) within which an operating systemP such as VMS, BSD, etc. can run. The VAX or Alpha emulator itself must run withinH the context of a host operating system such as Windows, Linux, or (???).   So, the layers are:    Hardware - VMware
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