/ INFO-VAX	Mon, 02 Jan 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 4       Contents:D Re: OT: Mozilla/Firefox (was:Re: Windoze ends year with a major certP Re: OT: Mozilla/Firefox (was:Re: Windoze ends year with a major cert  ...)  ...)P Re: OT: Mozilla/Firefox (was:Re: Windoze ends year with a major cert ...) ...)..P Re: OT: Mozilla/Firefox (was:Re: Windoze ends year with a major cert ...) ...)..& Re: Samba v3 on VMS and HP VMS Roadmap& Re: Samba v3 on VMS and HP VMS Roadmap& Re: Samba v3 on VMS and HP VMS Roadmap& Re: Samba v3 on VMS and HP VMS Roadmap
 tcpip5.4 ? Re: tcpip5.4 ? Re: tcpip5.4 ? Re: tcpip5.4 ? Re: tcpip5.4 ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 2 Jan 2006 12:10:48 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) M Subject: Re: OT: Mozilla/Firefox (was:Re: Windoze ends year with a major cert 3 Message-ID: <7Aue2RrgD93a@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <43B95609.984EAA06@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  J > Many ATMs around here don't "swallow" and regurgitate the card anymore -- > you just swipe it (insert / remove) on cue.   F I think that choice is made based on the goal of using cheap hardware.D Many PCs do not eject CDroms and floppies when you dismount, whereas( Macintoshes do (the ones I use, anyway).   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:50:53 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>Y Subject: Re: OT: Mozilla/Firefox (was:Re: Windoze ends year with a major cert  ...)  ...) = Message-ID: <NRcuf.58679$D47.15999@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   H > Ironic that it is faster for me to access Air Canada information on myG > handset view AC's WAP pages than to go through their javascript laden D > pages full of errors which don't work half the time.  WAP was born+ > because of abuses in HTML and Javascript.   H Firefox handles WAP with no problems. So unless you especially like the I handset interface or AC block WAP access except through particular ISPs,  I it should be easier to go directly to the WAP site from Firefox. I think  0 latest Mozilla/SeaMonkey should be fine as well.  G > The AC web site is even more stupid: some programme probably flaunted J > his ability to validate cities from within javascript. So this site letsG > you enter only cities served by actual AC flights. So even though Air I > Canada may publisyh fares from Montreal to Cairns and its computer back G > end fully capable of spitting out the schedules and fares, the stupid G > web page prevents you from entering "Cairns" in the destination city.   G I recall when BA started a voice recognition interface. I tried to use  I it to switch to an earlier flight between Birmingham and Edinburgh (both  A UK) and had the system announce "confirm destination change from  I Edinburgh UK to Birmingham Alabama via Kingston Jamaica." At which point   I rapidly hung up!   --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 10:34:17 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>Y Subject: Re: OT: Mozilla/Firefox (was:Re: Windoze ends year with a major cert ...) ...).. + Message-ID: <43B95609.984EAA06@comcast.net>   
 Lurker wrote:  > < > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message( > news:43B8BC14.19E2EFA6@teksavvy.com... > H > > Another bank makes you confirm your deposit 3 times before the mouthL > > opens to let you put in the envelope. And, unlike other banks, they spitL > > out the receipt before asking if you want another transaction. This bankL > > has a higher than average rate of cards forgotten in ATMs. Yet, whomeverF > > is in charge of user-interface is clueless on his/her design beingA > > resposnible for people forgetting their cards in the machine.  > D > Reminds me of a bank here which, years ago, made the same mistake.I > The cash would come out of the ATM first, people would take it, turn on N > their heel and leave with the card still in the machine. It was happening soI > often that software had to be changed so that the card comes out first, I > then the receipt if you have asked for it, and only then the cash. Most 6 > people don't leave the ATM until the cash is out ...  H Many ATMs around here don't "swallow" and regurgitate the card anymore -+ you just swipe it (insert / remove) on cue.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 11:53:40 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: OT: Mozilla/Firefox (was:Re: Windoze ends year with a major cert ...) ...).. , Message-ID: <43B95A8F.85EAA84D@teksavvy.com>   David J Dachtera wrote: J > Many ATMs around here don't "swallow" and regurgitate the card anymore -- > you just swipe it (insert / remove) on cue.   G It gets worse here. The bank thay now asks to confirm a deposit 3 times D has "upgraded" to Diebold machines with fancy graphics and sound etcD etc.  Branch staff had to put duck tape over the speaker because theH "beeps" were so loud. (untile they got tech folks to come and "fix" it).  C But it gets worse, with all the fancy stuff, the display and sounds H don't match the keyboard. I tend to type in my PIN number quickly and byF the time I am finished, I can still watch the "*" appear on the screen, and the beeps take even longer to complete.   H Reminds me of time sharing in the 1970s where if you typed too fast, the& screen wouldn't be able to keep up :-)  E Still cannot understand how a bank's quality control people would let G this machine out in production. And I imagine that kids of the nintendo B generation are even faster at the keyboard, so if they have such aE weenie in their Q/A assurance comittee, Shirley he would have spotted  the delay problem.    H (The sound delay is probably caused by the "beep" being a recorded soundH with a certain amount of silence at the end, so when you press a key, itC "queues" the sound to be produced, and if the previous sound hasn't G completed, it waits for it to complete before starting the next sound).    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jan 2006 01:41:35 -0800 , From: "Cluster-Karl" <karl.rohwedder@gmx.de>/ Subject: Re: Samba v3 on VMS and HP VMS Roadmap C Message-ID: <1136194895.324622.263890@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   A Are details about licensing for SAMBA/VMS available (beside being  included in the FOE)? F I am interested especially in upgrading from Advancedserver on Alphas? Is a new PAK required, costs...   
 regards Kalle    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 07:23:35 -0500) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> / Subject: Re: Samba v3 on VMS and HP VMS Roadmap 7 Message-ID: <4X8uf.470$H37.85890@news20.bellglobal.com>   8 "Cluster-Karl" <karl.rohwedder@gmx.de> wrote in message = news:1136194895.324622.263890@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... C > Are details about licensing for SAMBA/VMS available (beside being  > included in the FOE)? H > I am interested especially in upgrading from Advancedserver on Alphas?! > Is a new PAK required, costs...  >  > regards Kalle  > M I'd like more information on this too. (but like their port of Apache I just  ! assumed Samba would be for free).   K Until then I intend to do a trial install of Samba 2.2.8 which is free and   available from here:+ http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/jyc/   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 07:08:23 -07006 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam>/ Subject: Re: Samba v3 on VMS and HP VMS Roadmap - Message-ID: <stauf.1$sW2.126@news.uswest.net>   G SAMBA is open source with a GPL.  HP can't charge for it.  On the other ) hand, they can charge for support for it.   L What I find ironic is that SAMBA was originally written at the University ofJ Australia, Canberra as a replacement for Pathworks on Ultrix.  UA CanberraE either couldn't afford, or didn't want to pay the licensing costs for " Pathworks on their Ultrix servers.  
 Mike Ober.  4 "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message1 news:4X8uf.470$H37.85890@news20.bellglobal.com...  > 9 > "Cluster-Karl" <karl.rohwedder@gmx.de> wrote in message ? > news:1136194895.324622.263890@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... E > > Are details about licensing for SAMBA/VMS available (beside being  > > included in the FOE)? J > > I am interested especially in upgrading from Advancedserver on Alphas?# > > Is a new PAK required, costs...  > >  > > regards Kalle  > > I > I'd like more information on this too. (but like their port of Apache I  just# > assumed Samba would be for free).  > L > Until then I intend to do a trial install of Samba 2.2.8 which is free and > available from here:- > http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/jyc/  >  > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > Ontario, Canada.: > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html >  >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:43:30 -0500) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> / Subject: Re: Samba v3 on VMS and HP VMS Roadmap 7 Message-ID: <g_auf.501$H37.96934@news20.bellglobal.com>   B "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> wrote in message ' news:stauf.1$sW2.126@news.uswest.net... I > SAMBA is open source with a GPL.  HP can't charge for it.  On the other + > hand, they can charge for support for it.  > L > What I find ironic is that SAMBA was originally written at the University  > ofL > Australia, Canberra as a replacement for Pathworks on Ultrix.  UA CanberraG > either couldn't afford, or didn't want to pay the licensing costs for $ > Pathworks on their Ultrix servers. >  > Mike Ober. >   K HP did a good job of porting Apache-2 to OpenVMS so I can only assume that  , SAMBA-3 will also be of fairly high quality.  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 07:34:38 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: tcpip5.4 ? ( Message-ID: <ops2rb70hnzgicya@hyrrokkin>  C I have 5.4 installed on several nodes and I can't seem to make them @ behave the same on 7.3 and 7.3-2.  I have gone thru TCPIP$CONFIGA on both the nodes, line by line.  Yet when I shutdown and restart ? TCPIP$ROUTED isn't running on 7.3-2   The 7.3 node was upgraded E  from 5.1 if that makes a difference.  Any ideas on what to look for?    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jan 2006 17:16:53 +0100 6 From: eplan@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: tcpip5.4 ? * Message-ID: <43b96005@news.langstoeger.at>  N In article <ops2rb70hnzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:D >I have 5.4 installed on several nodes and I can't seem to make themA >behave the same on 7.3 and 7.3-2.  I have gone thru TCPIP$CONFIG B >on both the nodes, line by line.  Yet when I shutdown and restart@ >TCPIP$ROUTED isn't running on 7.3-2   The 7.3 node was upgradedF > from 5.1 if that makes a difference.  Any ideas on what to look for?  < Forget TCPIP$CONFIG. Go directly into TCPIP/UCX prompt mode.  9 $ TCPIP SHOW CONFIG START ROUTING		!show permanent config < $ TCPIP SET CONFIG START NOROUTING		!delete permanent configA $ TCPIP START ROUTING /GATED/LOG/SUPPLY		!start it, in GATED mode   $ TCPIP STOP ROUTING				!stop it ...   J And if you then still have identical configuration but different behaviour make a service call...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jan 2006 17:53:52 +0100 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: tcpip5.4 ? , Message-ID: <43b968b0$1@news.langstoeger.at>  c In article <43b96005@news.langstoeger.at>, eplan@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: O >In article <ops2rb70hnzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: E >>I have 5.4 installed on several nodes and I can't seem to make them B >>behave the same on 7.3 and 7.3-2.  I have gone thru TCPIP$CONFIGC >>on both the nodes, line by line.  Yet when I shutdown and restart A >>TCPIP$ROUTED isn't running on 7.3-2   The 7.3 node was upgraded G >> from 5.1 if that makes a difference.  Any ideas on what to look for?  > = >Forget TCPIP$CONFIG. Go directly into TCPIP/UCX prompt mode.  > : >$ TCPIP SHOW CONFIG START ROUTING		!show permanent config= >$ TCPIP SET CONFIG START NOROUTING		!delete permanent config B >$ TCPIP START ROUTING /GATED/LOG/SUPPLY		!start it, in GATED mode  : Sorry, confusing: /GATED or /LOG or /LOG/SUPPLY or /SUPPLY  ! >$ TCPIP STOP ROUTING				!stop it  >....  > K >And if you then still have identical configuration but different behaviour  >make a service call...   H PS: Don't forget to also check the existance/protection/owner of the dirF SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$GATED] and/or SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$ROUTED] and ifE GATED the content of the SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$GATED]TCPIP$GATED.CONF.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 08:48:30 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: tcpip5.4 ? ( Message-ID: <ops2rfm4iizgicya@hyrrokkin>  9 On 2 Jan 2006 17:53:52 +0100, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER    <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote:   J > PS: Don't forget to also check the existance/protection/owner of the dirH > SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$GATED] and/or SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$ROUTED] and ifG > GATED the content of the SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$GATED]TCPIP$GATED.CONF.   H Well, on the old system I have both, but on the new one, neither. So how do I created the routed?   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jan 2006 19:27:06 +0100 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: tcpip5.4 ? , Message-ID: <43b97e8a$1@news.langstoeger.at>  N In article <ops2rfm4iizgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:V >On 2 Jan 2006 17:53:52 +0100, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote:K >> PS: Don't forget to also check the existance/protection/owner of the dir I >> SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$GATED] and/or SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$ROUTED] and if H >> GATED the content of the SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$GATED]TCPIP$GATED.CONF. > I >Well, on the old system I have both, but on the new one, neither. So how  >do I created the routed?   > With CREATE/DIR/OWNER=/PROT= or with TCPIP$CONFIG of course...  E You need the SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$GATED] for the config file and both C directories for the log and dump files of the respective processes.   # What did TCPIP START ROUTING tell ?   3 -TCPIP-E-CONFLICT or %COB-W-CLOSEDEL or what else ?    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.004 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
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