/ INFO-VAX	Tue, 03 Jan 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 6       Contents:; Re: How to Access Site-Specific Conditions Using F$MESSAGE? 5 Re: Installing DW Motif with PCSI: ovverride checks ? 5 Re: Installing DW Motif with PCSI: ovverride checks ? 5 Re: Installing DW Motif with PCSI: ovverride checks ?  Re: MX Problem0 Re: OT: CAPS (was:Re: TLZ07/TLZ09 compatability)0 Re: OT: CAPS (was:Re: TLZ07/TLZ09 compatability)) Password reading through C/C++ in OpenVMS - Re: Password reading through C/C++ in OpenVMS - Re: Password reading through C/C++ in OpenVMS - Re: Password reading through C/C++ in OpenVMS ) Re: Question about large numbers of Locks 8 Re: Replacing null characters with blanks in a text file8 Re: Replacing null characters with blanks in a text file. Re: SCSNode Names in Non-clustered environment* SCSNode Names in Non-clustered environment. Re: SCSNode Names in Non-clustered environment. Re: SCSNode Names in Non-clustered environment Re: SSH  Re: SSH vs Telnet  Re: SSH vs Telnet  Re: SSH vs Telnet  Re: SSH vs Telnet ! TCPIP Services SLIP support (VAX) ' Re: Using VT420 as Alpha System Console   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2006 09:38:30 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) D Subject: Re: How to Access Site-Specific Conditions Using F$MESSAGE?3 Message-ID: <kBxtckr2NwBl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <1135730940.242902.20420@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Craig Dedo" <Dedo.Craig@mayo.edu> writes: G > How do you access the message text from site-specific condition codes , > from the DCL command line using F$MESSAGE? > E > I think I know how to do this, but I am going to ask anyway in case 5 > some readers can provide more detailed information.  >   C    Use "set message" to pick up the .exe which contains the message D    definitions.  This also works for files in sys$message: which are    not normally mapped.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 17:14:53 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) > Subject: Re: Installing DW Motif with PCSI: ovverride checks ?1 Message-ID: <hiyuf.1116$3B3.774@news.cpqcorp.net>   - In article <43AB2F9F.B1847991@teksavvy.com>,  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:   G >That PSCI <censored> reminds me of WINDOWS. It *seems* to work. But it C >fails to create *all* the files needed in the [.$work] directory.   > C >So when I try to run PRODUCT INSTAL on the reference directory, it I >quickly complains anbout missing files (in the case, PCSI_CHKPARAM.COM).  > F >PRODUCT COPY did create the two other files neeeded. But PRODUCT LISTO >doesn't show any of the 3 files needed for the execute preconfigure statement.   F By dumb luck, I don't have a copy of the 7.2 CD available, so I can't  research this further.  {sigh}  F The think I would do would be to search the .PCSI$DESCRIPTION file forK the "missing" file(s).  If you try this and find something, please post it.    --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:20:22 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> > Subject: Re: Installing DW Motif with PCSI: ovverride checks ?, Message-ID: <43BAB254.2274EF93@teksavvy.com>   Charlie Hammond wrote:G > By dumb luck, I don't have a copy of the 7.2 CD available, so I can't   > research this further.  {sigh} > H > The think I would do would be to search the .PCSI$DESCRIPTION file forM > the "missing" file(s).  If you try this and find something, please post it.     D This code snippet has been edited for content and modified to fit in your screen:    C $DISK11:[DECWINDOWS]DEC-VAXVMS-DWMOTIF-V0102-5-1.PCSI$DESCRIPTION;1   ( product DEC VAXVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-5 full ;     software DEC VAXVMS VMS ; =     if (not <software DEC VAXVMS VMS version minimum V6.2>) ; !         error VMS_VERSION abort ;      end if ;@     execute preconfigure "@PCSI$SOURCE:[$WORK]PCSI_CHKPARAM.COM" interactive uses  9 	([$WORK]PCSI_CHKPARAM.COM, [SYSMGR]DECW$GETPARAMS.COM) ; ;     execute install ("@PCSI$SOURCE:[$WORK]PCSI_CHKREQ.COM", 5 		"@PCSI$SOURCE:[$WORK]PCSI_SAVEPROG.COM") remove ""  G 		interactive uses ( [$WORK]PCSI_CHKREQ.COM,[$WORK]PCSI_SAVEPROG.COM) ; G     if (<logical name DECW$ANSWER_ABORT equals "TRUE" table LNM$JOB>) ; "         error EXIT_MESSAGE abort ;     end if ;     remove ;)         file [SYSLIB]DECW$DXMAIMSHR.EXE ; =         file [VUE$LIBRARY.SYSTEM]VUE$SYSTEM_PROFILE.VUE$DAT ; D         file [000000]DEC-VAXVMS-DWMOTIF-V0102-4-1.PCSI$DESCRIPTION ;<         file [000000]DEC-VAXVMS-DWMOTIF-V0102-4-1.PCSI$TLB ;     end remove ;     directory [DECW$DEFAULTS] ; &     directory [DECW$DEFAULTS.SYSTEM] ;$     directory [DECW$DEFAULTS.USER] ;     directory [CDA$LIBRARY] ;     > In the above, there are a few lines missing after the "executeH preconfigure" because those are the ones that caused the installation to8 abort if CHKPARAM.COM didn't like the SYSGEN parameters.     The file that PRODUCT COPYE DM-MOTIF/source=xxx/destination=$DISK11:[DECWINDOWS]/FORMAT=REFERENCE V left out is the [.$WORK]PCSI_CHKPARAM.COM , it got the PCSI_CHKREQ and PCSI_SAVEPROG).    E None of those 3 files are part of the product, they are used only for D the installation process and are deleted as soon as the installation= completes. (which is why it was so hard for me to capture the D PCSI_CHKPARAM.COM file during a bona fide PRODUCT INSTALL because itE lived very briefly on disk before returning and telling PCSI to abort # installation and delete everything.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:47:14 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) > Subject: Re: Installing DW Motif with PCSI: ovverride checks ?1 Message-ID: <SEzuf.1122$7A3.112@news.cpqcorp.net>   - In article <43BAB254.2274EF93@teksavvy.com>,  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  ..E >This code snippet has been edited for content and modified to fit in 
 >your screen:  ..  $ I don't immediately see the problem.  C Please verify that you are doing this installation on OpenVMS V7.3.   Also please execute this command       $ PRODUCT SHOW UTILITY   ans post the output.  @ If I don't post more in 2-3 days, plese ping me with a reminder.   --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:18:51 +0300 U From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <zzLaishev-@-DeltaTelecom.zz.RU-please-remove-zz-for.reply>  Subject: Re: MX Problem 3 Message-ID: <A027EFF7AAEECCBA4AA2E684C6BDA895@nntp>    Tom Linden wrote:   B > Have had MX5.4 running successfully on a 7.3 system with mx_rootD > located on a shadowed shared scsi drive and decided for redundancyA > reasons to configure agents on a 7.3-2 node.  Now I use Outlook E > for my mail client.  After doing this incoming mail stopped working H > on the first node and changing the server settings in Outlook to pointG > incoming to the new node I was able to receive mail; however outgoing I > mail was still to the old node.  The incoming and outgoing server names = > were the same, mail.kednos.com  so by chaning incoming to    > newnode.kednos.comK > Outlook was happy.  TCPIP5.4 is on both.  So the processes running on the 
 > two are: >  > On Old+ > FREJA> pipe sho system | sear sys$pipe mx E > 210007C6 MX FLQ Manager  HIB      6       20   0 00:00:00.05        
 > 145     154 E > 210007C7 MX Router       HIB      6      533   0 00:00:00.20        
 > 170     176 E > 210007C8 MX Local        HIB      6      418   0 00:00:00.05        
 > 202     203 E > 210007C9 MX SMTP         HIB      6     1106   0 00:00:00.23        
 > 223     231 E > 210007CA MX SMTP Server  HIB      6     7254   0 00:00:01.74        
 > 278     308  > . > FREJA> pipe sho system | sear sys$pipe tcpipE > 2100011C TCPIP$INETACP   HIB     10    47878   0 00:00:09.37        
 > 288     211 E > 2100011D TCPIP$ROUTED    LEF      6    94048   0 00:00:00.05         > 307     130  SE > 2100011F TCPIP$NTP_1     LEF      9   721389   0 00:00:05.14         > 292     272  ND > 21000121 TCPIP$POP_1     HIB      9 10695967   0 00:47:34.24       > 7964    5759  N E > 21000122 TCPIP$PWIP_ACP  HIB      9       66   0 00:00:00.06        
 > 133     156 E > 2100012F TCPIP$SSH_BG119 LEF      8    61529   0 00:00:11.03         > 470     507  N >  >  > and on the New > E > 2080B271 MX FLQ Manager  HIB      6     1936   0 00:00:00.37        
 > 160     194 E > 2080B272 MX Router       HIB      6     1909   0 00:00:00.39        
 > 183     212 E > 2080B273 MX Local        HIB      6     2876   0 00:00:00.76        
 > 289     324  > E > 2080B26A TCPIP$INETACP   HIB     10      201   0 00:00:00.09        
 > 295     224 E > 2080B26D TCPIP$NTP_1     LEF     10    25721   0 00:00:00.52         > 283     297  NE > 2080B26E TCPIP$POP_1     HIB      9    59950   0 00:00:15.81         > 592     606  NE > 2080B276 TCPIP$SSH_BG80  LEF      8    14402   0 00:00:02.45         > 554     700  NE > 2080B27C TCPIP$ROUTED    LEF      6     2167   0 00:00:00.02         > 429     136  S >  > so > / > 1. why did incoming mail stop on the old, and  	See MX RR in the you zone.   7 > 2. why didn't SMTP and SMTP Server start on the new ?  	Type mx_smtp_dir:*.log /page    >  >      --   Cheers, Ruslan. D +---------------------pure personal opinion------------------------+C   RADIUS Server for OpenVMS project - www.starlet.spb.ru/radiusvms/ >   ICQ: 319518233, Skype: SysMan-One, Mobile: +7 (901) 316-3222   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2006 01:45:27 -0600 2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>9 Subject: Re: OT: CAPS (was:Re: TLZ07/TLZ09 compatability) ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-HcMXL7TqURQg@dave2_os2.home.ours>   A On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:09:54 UTC, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>   wrote:  
 > BRAD wrote:  > > AEF wrote:	 > > <cut> J > > >>>YES, I CLEANED THE STUPID DRIVES. PLEASE DON'T TELL ME TO CLEAN THE( > > >>>DRIVES. THAT DOESN'T HELP AT ALL. > > >>  
 <Big Snip>E > I'd use italics if I could. The point is EMPHASIS, not YELLING. The H > purpose was to be sure that message was received and noted. Maybe nextD > time I'll try liberal use of asterisks. Or maybe NB. Constructive,  > friendly criticism is welcome.  
 How about   5 >>> Before you ask, I _have cleaned_  the drives ...    E The _underscores_ show the emphasis. A technique introduced to me by   my Fido node-boss 20 years ago.    --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2006 09:44:48 -0800 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>9 Subject: Re: OT: CAPS (was:Re: TLZ07/TLZ09 compatability) B Message-ID: <1136310288.779278.29580@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Dave Weatherall wrote:B > On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:09:54 UTC, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> > wrote: >  > > BRAD wrote:  > > > AEF wrote: > > > <cut> L > > > >>>YES, I CLEANED THE STUPID DRIVES. PLEASE DON'T TELL ME TO CLEAN THE* > > > >>>DRIVES. THAT DOESN'T HELP AT ALL. > > > >> >  > <Big Snip>G > > I'd use italics if I could. The point is EMPHASIS, not YELLING. The J > > purpose was to be sure that message was received and noted. Maybe nextF > > time I'll try liberal use of asterisks. Or maybe NB. Constructive," > > friendly criticism is welcome. >  > How about  > 6 > >>> Before you ask, I _have cleaned_  the drives ...    	 Too lame.     F > The _underscores_ show the emphasis. A technique introduced to me by! > my Fido node-boss 20 years ago.     B They're ugly and tend to blend in with the rest of the post. RightE there above where you have '_underscores_' the underscores themselves B are barely noticeable, especially upon a quick read, which is whatE often causes people to miss things in the first place. They also make # the typing slightly more difficult.   G Look, there are lots of things others do in posts that I don't like but C I don't complain about it (okay, *sometimes* I do :-). Measekit has D posted entirely in CAPS; I don't see anyone beating him up about it!@ Some posters can't spell and/or use bad grammar. Some posts haveB missing (or bad) punctuation which requires one to re-read phrasesD sometimes several times to understand them. And some people can't beF bothered to try even the easiest experiments before posting. And then,C of course, there are those who are unnecessarily rude, hostile, and  such.   E Later today I will post, in this thread, a guide to reading UPPERCASE  LETTERS. Stay tuned.   >  > --   > Cheers - Dave W.   AEF    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2006 02:37:36 -0800 ) From: "hem" <hemachandra.reddy@gmail.com> 2 Subject: Password reading through C/C++ in OpenVMSC Message-ID: <1136284656.245698.308280@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hello,  F Can anybody help me out how to read a password without echoing one the  screen through C/C++ in OpenVMS?  0 Is there a substitute for temios.h or getpass()?   Thanks in advance,   Regards, hem    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:13:55 +0000 (UTC). From: John F <john@PleaseSeeSigForAddress.com>6 Subject: Re: Password reading through C/C++ in OpenVMS, Message-ID: <dpdpq3$7c3$1@reader2.panix.com>  ( hem <hemachandra.reddy@gmail.com> wrote: : Hello,0 : Can anybody help me out how to read a password9 : without echoing on the screen through C/C++ in OpenVMS? 2 : Is there a substitute for temios.h or getpass()? : Thanks in advance, : Regards, hem  5 I believe you'll have to use sys$qio() or sys$qiow(). 2 First call sys$assign() to get a channel for "TT:"@ Then the qio function code should be (IO$_READVBLK|IO$M_EXTEND).8 I think the only other complicated part is the item list6 for the read, two shorts then two longs for each item,% one of which should be something like '      { 0, TRM$_MODIFIERS, trmcode, 0 }, ' where trmcode is defined something like *      TRM$M_TM_ESCAPE | TRM$M_TM_NOEDIT | \-      TRM$M_TM_NOFILTR | TRM$M_TM_NORECALL | \ )      TRM$M_TM_NOECHO | TRM$M_TM_TRMNOECHO  Note the NOECHO's at the end.  --  > John Forkosh  ( mailto:  j@f.com  where j=john and f=forkosh )   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2006 04:16:09 -0800 # From: "Galen" <gltackett@gmail.com> 6 Subject: Re: Password reading through C/C++ in OpenVMSC Message-ID: <1136290569.227651.126520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    Hem,  A This will turn off echo, but it's specific to VMS and wouldn't be $ portable to other operating systems:  .     freopen("sys$input:","r",stdin,"rop=rne");  = To turn echo back on, just repeat that without the "rop=rne":   $     freopen("sys$input:","r",stdin);  ! rne stands for Read with No Echo.   > There's a lot more you can do with the optional file attribute@ arguments to creat(), fopen(), and freopen(). Look here for more information on this:K http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/4523/4523pro_011.html#rmsref_rab_rop    Hope this helps,   Galen    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:59:01 -0600 (CST)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)6 Subject: Re: Password reading through C/C++ in OpenVMS2 Message-ID: <06010308590132_2027A458@antinode.org>  ) From: "hem" <hemachandra.reddy@gmail.com>   H > Can anybody help me out how to read a password without echoing one the" > screen through C/C++ in OpenVMS?  . From: John F <john@PleaseSeeSigForAddress.com>  7 > I believe you'll have to use sys$qio() or sys$qiow().  > [...] B > Then the qio function code should be (IO$_READVBLK|IO$M_EXTEND).  # From: "Galen" <gltackett@gmail.com>   0 >     freopen("sys$input:","r",stdin,"rop=rne");  B    If you look in the Info-ZIP Zip source (any version since about@ 1991), there's an echo() function in the file TTYIO.C which usesE sys$qio[w] with function codes IO$_SENSEMODE and IO$_SETMODE to sense C and set/clear the TT$M_NOECHO flag in the terminal characteristics, " which is classical way to do this.  ?    You certainly don't need to use QIO[W] to do the actual I/O.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2006 09:30:39 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 2 Subject: Re: Question about large numbers of Locks3 Message-ID: <XA7n3+gF0sus@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <1135395690.722107.100920@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, rcbryan@hotmail.com writes: F > I am working on a system that has between 1400 and 1500 processes onE > two nodes of a cluster.  Currently, all the processes read a common H > file every so often to see about changes in their state.  The state ofA > the processes change very seldom, ten changes in a day (for all E > processes) would be a lot.   This type of thing pains me no end.  I D > think this could be implemented with locks with blocking ASTs.  ItH > would be nice if I could address each process individually which wouldI > mean on the order of 1500 locks on the cluster.  One advantage of using G > individual locks is the amount of data required by each process would H > fit in a lock value block and I would not need the disk access at all. > 7 > Am I asking for headaches by having that many locks?    9    You have 1500 locks which change about 10 times a day?   F    I think a VAX 2000 could handle that without sweating.  I certainlyE    wouldn't worry about it.  You might see a just visible increase in     pool useage.   H    Can you prove the file access is a problem?  Is the polling rate just.    too high compared to the number of changes?  G    Certainly I prefer your event-driven (doorbell lock) approach over a D    polling algorithm, but I'd first make sure the work is justified.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2006 05:30:08 -0800 3 From: "Big John" <john.powers@airwidesolutions.com> A Subject: Re: Replacing null characters with blanks in a text file C Message-ID: <1136295008.070600.324780@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    This is not quite right.. . JF Mezei [jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com] wrote: > wendzinski@yahoo.com wrote:  > > B > > I'm looking for a quick DCL routine that will replace all null* > > characters with blanks in a text file. >  > ) > $editx/tpu/nodisplay/nowork/nojournal - 4 >     /section=sys$library:EVE$SECTION.TPU$SECTION -% >     /command=sys$input   myfile.txt  >  > position(mybuffer); ! >  eve$$x_global_replace := TRUE; , >  position (beginning_of (current_buffer));( >  status := eve_replace(ASCII(0), " ");# >  write_file(mybuffer,final_file);  >  exit; > $write sys$output "Done"  > Firstly, there are 2 undefined variables in this, MYBUFFER and= FINAL_FILE. You don't need either, and you try to position to ? one, and write_file to the other. So this program will complain 	 like mad.   > Also, you are doing a lot of extra work you don't need to. Eve? provides you with the GLOBAL REPLACE command which will do this = for you, so you don't need to mess with the internal variable @ EVE$$X_GLOBAL_REPLACE. Also you don't need to position twice, as? you have done (once to the undefined mybuffer, then back to the > current_buffer).  Also, you are storing the return status fromA the eve_replace command in a variable 'status', but you never use ( status anywhere, so you don't need this.  @ Also, if you use the eve_exit command instead of the vanilla TPUA exit command, it will check if it has made any changes, and write @ the buffer if so, so you don't even need the write_file command.  A So here is a simplified version of it that really works (tested).   : $editx /tpu/nodisplay/nowork/nojourn/section=eve$section -        /command=sys$input 'p1' ! # eve_global_replace (ASCII(0), " "); 	 eve_exit;     " Now that really is jus - telegant.   - John   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:07:03 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> A Subject: Re: Replacing null characters with blanks in a text file , Message-ID: <43BAAF36.921A24D0@teksavvy.com>   Big John wrote: @ > Firstly, there are 2 undefined variables in this, MYBUFFER and? > FINAL_FILE. You don't need either, and you try to position to A > one, and write_file to the other. So this program will complain N > like mad.> So here is a simplified version of it that really works (tested). > < > $editx /tpu/nodisplay/nowork/nojourn/section=eve$section -  >        /command=sys$input 'p1' > ! % > eve_global_replace (ASCII(0), " ");  > eve_exit;  > $ > Now that really is jus - telegant.    F Yep definitely more elegant. I had taken my code snippet from a largerG procedure that did multiple replaces and used multiple buffers. After a C global replace, you need to reposition the cursor to the top of the E buffer so that the next global replace scans the whole buffer. It was E meant more as an example. But I'll have to try the eve_global_replace  routine.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:18:08 -0500, From: "Display Name" <someone@microsoft.com>7 Subject: Re: SCSNode Names in Non-clustered environment = Message-ID: <eLKdnT7x-_dMLCfeRVn-jg@metrocastcablevision.com>   9 ooops. A new news-reader program, did not finish setup... 7 "Display Name" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message A news:1fWdnd-nvubvLSfenZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com... 1 > am replacing an AS4100 with an ES45, VMS 7.3-2. L > Purpose is to maintain an operational system while converting, and then atJ > some point 'down', 'convert', 'startup'. This is not a CLUSTERED system.H > It would be very beneficial to retain the SCSNODE name of the original0 > system, for DNS and Emulator-settings reasons.G > Can two machines in non-clustered environment bear same SCSNODE Name?  Aside I > from some residual 'LAT SERVICE'  issues that i can identify, what else  > might pose an impediment?  > TIA  >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:12:17 -0500, From: "Display Name" <someone@microsoft.com>3 Subject: SCSNode Names in Non-clustered environment G Message-ID: <1fWdnd-nvubvLSfenZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>   / am replacing an AS4100 with an ES45, VMS 7.3-2. J Purpose is to maintain an operational system while converting, and then atH some point 'down', 'convert', 'startup'. This is not a CLUSTERED system.F It would be very beneficial to retain the SCSNODE name of the original. system, for DNS and Emulator-settings reasons.K Can two machines in non-clustered environment bear same SCSNODE Name? Aside G from some residual 'LAT SERVICE'  issues that i can identify, what else  might pose an impediment?  TIA    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:35:59 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 7 Subject: Re: SCSNode Names in Non-clustered environment , Message-ID: <43BAB5FC.8096793C@teksavvy.com>   Display Name wrote: H > It would be very beneficial to retain the SCSNODE name of the original0 > system, for DNS and Emulator-settings reasons.M > Can two machines in non-clustered environment bear same SCSNODE Name? Aside I > from some residual 'LAT SERVICE'  issues that i can identify, what else  > might pose an impediment?   C If you have DECNET, remember that the SCSNODEID is derived from the # DECNET address (areas*1024 + node).   I Are you building the new machine from an image backup of the older node ?   G There is a FAQ on changing the nodename of a system. But there are many > details in the implementation which can get screwy. But if notE clustered, then you don't have to worry about disks served by the old O nodename no longer available because a new nodename now serves the same drives.   G If the new machine will have the same IP address as the old one, you'll E want to purge the ARP cache of strategic machines/routers once you do F the switch so that they stop trying to send packets to the old machine  and instead send to the new one.    G Something else you can do: On the new machine, create a new root [SYS1] H which has a temporary nodename definitions. You can then safely have theE two machines coexist. And When you are ready for the official switch, T you then boot the new node from SYS0 which contain the proper node name definitions.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:47:34 -0500, From: "Display Name" <someone@microsoft.com>7 Subject: Re: SCSNode Names in Non-clustered environment = Message-ID: <NJWdnVvhXYTFJifeRVn-vg@metrocastcablevision.com>   L >> Are you building the new machine from an image backup of the older node ?   nosir, i did not plan to do so. : the newer system will have VMS 7.3-2, the older one 7.2-2.I i will eventually port the application and data from old-to-new and test; 4 and the machines will have different I.P. addresses.J but with several hundred remote terminals (PC's with emulation) it will beB an important goal to retain a single resolvable Node-Name to avoid& reconfiguring every single connection.   many thanks.: "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:43BAB5FC.8096793C@teksavvy.com... > Display Name wrote: J > > It would be very beneficial to retain the SCSNODE name of the original2 > > system, for DNS and Emulator-settings reasons.I > > Can two machines in non-clustered environment bear same SCSNODE Name?  Aside K > > from some residual 'LAT SERVICE'  issues that i can identify, what else  > > might pose an impediment?  > E > If you have DECNET, remember that the SCSNODEID is derived from the % > DECNET address (areas*1024 + node).  > K > Are you building the new machine from an image backup of the older node ?  > I > There is a FAQ on changing the nodename of a system. But there are many @ > details in the implementation which can get screwy. But if notG > clustered, then you don't have to worry about disks served by the old I > nodename no longer available because a new nodename now serves the same  drives.  > I > If the new machine will have the same IP address as the old one, you'll G > want to purge the ARP cache of strategic machines/routers once you do H > the switch so that they stop trying to send packets to the old machine" > and instead send to the new one. >  > I > Something else you can do: On the new machine, create a new root [SYS1] J > which has a temporary nodename definitions. You can then safely have theG > two machines coexist. And When you are ready for the official switch, I > you then boot the new node from SYS0 which contain the proper node name  definitions.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2006 09:40:39 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: SSH3 Message-ID: <4hZTJhX+0U5Z@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <doujfl$uu2$2@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: J > I'm thinking of using SSH on VMS.  For various reasons, I want to stick < > with HP TCPIP and also with the SSH which comes with that. > J > Is this product "mature" enough for, shall we say, serious hoobyist use?K > Both client and server?  Is there SSH for VAX?  How easy is installation  I > and configuration?  (Presumably if I have the latest TCPIP and patches  / > installed, then I just need to configure it.)   J    If HP's SSH is "mature" enough for even occaisional use it will be big     news to the rest of us.  G    One of the many reasons my systems at home and at work use Multinet.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2006 09:24:56 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: SSH vs Telnet3 Message-ID: <a1MZfQ3HxoP7@eisner.encompasserve.org>   N In article <ops18phdtdzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:C > I use PuTTY on W2k to access various nodes in a VMS cluster and I ? > installed tcpip5.4 on a 7.3 system so I could use SSH.  Under > > Telnet the line width would automatically adjust to changing@ > the sreen size by dragging the edge.  But under SSH the output? > line width remains at 80 chars.  The only change in putty was B >  from port 23 to 22.  Why the differnet behavior and how to make > SSH appear same as Telnet?  @    The standard SSH protocol does not exchange this information.?    IIRC, the standard TELNET protocol doesn't either, but their D    are lots of clients and servers that do (or has this finally made    it into the RFC?).    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2006 09:26:01 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: SSH vs Telnet3 Message-ID: <cqXFI2nnL1Gh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   N In article <ops2f325y0zgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:  I > It was already selected.  As I said the only difference between the two E > is port selection, so it has to be on the VMS side, and a SHOW TERM 3 > confirms identical settings for the two sessions.   F    There is a loy more difference between SSH and TELNET than the port
    number.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 09:06:59 -0700 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>  Subject: Re: SSH vs TelnetA Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060103090158.02803c90@raptor.psccos.com>   ( At 08:24 AM 1/3/2006, Bob Koehler wrote:O >In article <ops18phdtdzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: E > > I use PuTTY on W2k to access various nodes in a VMS cluster and I A > > installed tcpip5.4 on a 7.3 system so I could use SSH.  Under @ > > Telnet the line width would automatically adjust to changingB > > the sreen size by dragging the edge.  But under SSH the outputA > > line width remains at 80 chars.  The only change in putty was D > >  from port 23 to 22.  Why the differnet behavior and how to make > > SSH appear same as Telnet? > B >    The standard SSH protocol does not exchange this information.A >    IIRC, the standard TELNET protocol doesn't either, but their F >    are lots of clients and servers that do (or has this finally made >    it into the RFC?).   J SSH protocol DOES exchange the terminal geometry information.  When a PTY J is requested, part of the information passed is the terminal width/height J in columns/lines and in pixels.  Zero geometry dimensions are allowed and " must be ignored (i.e., defaulted).     ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:04:24 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: SSH vs Telnet( Message-ID: <ops2s79mxpzgicya@hyrrokkin>  + On 3 Jan 2006 09:26:01 -0600, Bob Koehler   0 <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote:  J > In article <ops2f325y0zgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  	 > writes:  > J >> It was already selected.  As I said the only difference between the twoF >> is port selection, so it has to be on the VMS side, and a SHOW TERM4 >> confirms identical settings for the two sessions. > H >    There is a loy more difference between SSH and TELNET than the port >    number. > G What I meant was that seen from the client POV  the PuTTY settings were K that same save for port number,  wherefore, the differences were on the VMS C sidem as confirmed by John Gemignani in his post under this thread.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 03:12:23 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> * Subject: TCPIP Services SLIP support (VAX), Message-ID: <43BA31D9.C2988938@teksavvy.com>  D I have often complained about SLIP interfaces crashing the whole VAXS when you try to start it with TCPIP Service 5.3 (worked fine in previous versions).   F My configuration problems on a new node resulted in my zapping all theD configuration files and starting from scratch. TCPIP wouldn't let meG create a slip interface anymore. LIST COMMUNICATIONS_CONTROLLERS didn't $ show a SLIP interface as available.   [ I was then able to $TCPIP DEFINE COMM  SL/internet_interface=S/type=serial/description=Slip   " And low and behold, $TCPIP SET INTG SL1/host=(10.1.0.11)/net=255.255.0.0/serial=txa0  did **NOT** crash the  machine !!!!  G I haven't yet actually tried to connect my equipment to the serial port E to make sure that it works, but my past experience would have crashed - the machine at the SET INTERFACE SL1 command.   F So, it appears that if you kept configuration between 5.0/5.1 and 5.3,D the upgrade procedure would leave your configuration file in a stateC that would cause the system to crash if you tried to create such an D interface. Zap your config file and recreate the SLIP communications% controller and it then seems to work.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 09:10:59 +0100 8 From: Ulrich Bellgardt <UliBellgardtsSpamSink@online.de>0 Subject: Re: Using VT420 as Alpha System Console$ Message-ID: <dpdbij$d0c$1@online.de>   Schnootling wrote:  D > I've got a failing monitor and a healthy VT420 (powers up and saysD > "VT420 OK"). The monitor is attached to the monitor slot/plug. The/ > VT420 is attached to the COM-1/Serial-1 plug.  >   ? Just another thought: The VT420 should display the Login prompt G ("Username: ") after the VMS startup has completed and whenever you hit H the <Return> key on the VT420's keyboard. This behaviour does not dependH on the console setting so you should see it in any case. However you did( not mention it in the entire discussion.  F If you see some "garbage" instead, this is caused by the communication@ settings of the VT420, and you need to wade through the F3 menu.  H If you do not see this Login prompt at all, maybe you use a wrong cable,F or the cable is broken. Then it could be worthwhile to try a different) one (or a different port of your Alpha?).     
 Kind regards,  -Uli   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.006 ************************