0 INFO-VAX	Thu, 05 Jan 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 10      Contents:= RE: Application and System Security (was: RE: Honeypot stats) & Check whether a tape is loaded in DCL?* Re: Check whether a tape is loaded in DCL?* Re: Check whether a tape is loaded in DCL?* Re: Check whether a tape is loaded in DCL?* Re: Check whether a tape is loaded in DCL?* Re: Check whether a tape is loaded in DCL?* Re: Check whether a tape is loaded in DCL?* Re: Check whether a tape is loaded in DCL?* Re: Check whether a tape is loaded in DCL?* Re: Check whether a tape is loaded in DCL? Re: Chiphead Alert! Re: DNS DDoS potential in OpenVMS  Re: Honeypot stats  HSZTerm under newer VMS versions Re: KVM Switches+ OpenVMS V8.2-1 source listings (shipped???) & Re: Samba v3 on VMS and HP VMS Roadmap9 Re: TCPIP Services: management of cluster alias interface 9 Re: TCPIP Services: management of cluster alias interface   Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed  Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed  Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed  Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed  Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed  Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed  Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:15:58 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) F Subject: RE: Application and System Security (was: RE: Honeypot stats)1 Message-ID: <yndvf.1250$ND4.545@news.cpqcorp.net>   K   Applications that include security or that are forced to include security J   are regularly found vulnerable, and this is a central problem on various+   applications and application platforms.     H   When you force applications to maintain the system security, you get aG   massively-larger target for security attacks.   The application then  I   become part of what some folks call the "trusted computing base" (TCB), I   and this opens up a whole new set of requirements, and this effectively 2   also paints a massive target on the application.  I   For instance, mixing data and code within what you might consider to be I   a data file forces the application to maintain security.   This is bad. J   This is one area where there can be problems -- simple failure to detectI   the code, failure to detect nefarious code, failure to provide auditing G   or evasion, or even the mis-classification of data and code.  Mixing  G   code and data is a very difficult prospect to control.  This code and K   data area is part of what operating systems and operating system security K   targets, too -- operating systems (and OS-like environments such as Java) I   are as much about preventing code from doing something it should not as *   they are about allowing the code to run.  B   In one case I'm familiar with, the application programmers for aB   web-accessable system with sensitive information set the initialB   passwords for the system to be null -- just the equivalent of anG   employee ID is/was required for the first login.   A glaring security    error, you might note.  H   Most application programmers aren't attuned to security, that's simplyG   not their job and is often not part of their skill-set -- application F   programmers are good at the applications, at the application coding,E   and at the tasks they are setting out to provide.  Not at auditing, H   evasion, authentication, encryption or other comparatively specializedF   knowledge areas.  (One of the sessions I've written up and have thenG   presented is on security topics, but it's also effectively a class on    cracking.)  G   System programmers are better at this -- and system programmers still G   make mistakes here, too -- and the system programmers are tasked with G   providing the interfaces and mechanisms that provide security for the /   applications and the application programmers.   D   Application code that prompts for and verifies and/or that stores E   passwords, or that controls the execution of code, is a risk and is D   an obvious target.  When your code is within the TCB, your code is   a target.       N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[\0100]hp.com    ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:57:02 +0000 (UTC)< From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)/ Subject: Check whether a tape is loaded in DCL? ) Message-ID: <dpiqhe$feq$1@news.BelWue.DE>    Hello,  J is it possible via DCL to check, whether a tape is present in a MK device?   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 07:05:19 -0600 ! From: John <norad869@comcast.net> 3 Subject: Re: Check whether a tape is loaded in DCL? * Message-ID: <43BD198F.4080208@comcast.net>   Christoph Gartmann wrote:    >Hello,  > K >is it possible via DCL to check, whether a tape is present in a MK device?  > 	 >Regards,  >   Christoph Gartmann >  >    > H Use some of the following commands to ascertain that the tape device is 
 available:  $ tape_device = "DSCIS7$MKD300:". $ exists = f$getdvi("''tape_device'","EXISTS"). $ available = f$getdvi("''tape_device'","AVL"). $ allocated = f$getdvi("''tape_device'","ALL")/ $ tape_device_pid = f$getdvi(tape_device,"PID") ( $ swl = f$getdvi("''tape_device'","SWL"). $ volnam = f$getdvi("''tape_device'","VOLNAM")  < This command will tell you the tape label if so initialized: $ mount /foreign 'tape_device') $ copy /nolog 'tape_device' te_label.tmp;    For example: $ mount /foreign 'tape_device'3 %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, I00215 mounted on _DSCIS7$MKD300: ! $ copy 'tape_device' te_label.tmp  $ type te_label.tmp O VOL1I00215                                                                       3 H HDR1$1$DGA808.INC    I0021500010001000100005285005345 000000DECVMSBACKUP4 HDR2F3225632256                     M             00    B If you read the file te_label.tmp rather than type it out you can F process the label and expiration date from the first HRD record using  the following code: & $ tape_label = f$extract(21,6,te_data)" $ yyyddd = f$extract(47,6,te_data) $ yyy = f$extract(0,3,yyyddd) , $ ddd = f$integer(f$extract(3,3,yyyddd)) - 1 $ if (ddd .lt. 0) then ddd = 0 $!# $ if (f$extract(0,1,yyy) .eqs. " ")  $ then  $   yyyy = f$integer(yyy) + 1900 $ else  $   yyyy = f$integer(yyy) + 2000 $ endif  $!J $ tape_expiration = f$cvtime("01-JAN-''yyyy'+''ddd'-00","ABSOLUTE","DATE")+ $ write sys$output "tape label ",tape_label 5 $ write sys$output "tape expiration ",tape_expiration   I Executing the above code (make sure you read the records in) will result  
 in this data:  tape label I00215  tape expiration 11-DEC-2005    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 2006 07:21:27 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 3 Subject: Re: Check whether a tape is loaded in DCL? 3 Message-ID: <FrE+KXm1SYVF@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <dpiqhe$feq$1@news.BelWue.DE>, gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > Hello, > L > is it possible via DCL to check, whether a tape is present in a MK device?  C    If you have time, mount/noassist and see if it returns an error.   F    If that's what you're trying to avoid, your probably out of luck. II    don't think most MK devices have a software accessable load indicator.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 2006 07:34:03 -0600  From: briggs@encompasserve.org3 Subject: Re: Check whether a tape is loaded in DCL? 3 Message-ID: <X$xHWXPqptes@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <dpiqhe$feq$1@news.BelWue.DE>, gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > Hello, > L > is it possible via DCL to check, whether a tape is present in a MK device?  K $ MOUNT /FOREIGN /READ /NOASSIST /OVERRIDE=(OWNER,ACCESSIBILITY,EXPIRATION)   G That command tends to be pretty fast since it does not need to actually  read anything from the tape.  F Without the OVERRIDE switch, the tape is checked for ANSI labels, evenF though it is being mounted /FOREIGN.  It is the checking of the labels) that is typically the time consuming bit.   2 You probably wish to clean up after yourself with:   $ DISMOUNT /NOUNLOAD   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 2006 07:52:19 -0700 1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) 3 Subject: Re: Check whether a tape is loaded in DCL? , Message-ID: <RkA8yK6ib7uB@malvm9.mala.bc.ca>  * In article <dpiqhe$feq$1@news.BelWue.DE>, A    gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes:  > L > is it possible via DCL to check, whether a tape is present in a MK device? >   H     I have a related question I've been wondering about for a while now.  I     In Tru64 Unix if one does an "mt online" command it will perform such F a check, and in addition if there is a tape physically present but notP in a ready state it will load it ( at least it will with the various flavours ofL DLT drives I've tried this with ). Obviously the hardware has the capabilityI to do this but I haven't found a DCL command to do the same thing in VMS.   Q     Something like a "SET MAGTAPE/LOAD" command, with an appropriate error return L if there's no tape present ( or the drive isn't capable of performing a load5 operation on it ) would seem like a nice enhancement.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 2006 07:39:28 -0800 ( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>3 Subject: Re: Check whether a tape is loaded in DCL? C Message-ID: <1136475568.371365.289060@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   F If you can use a small image to assist, we've been using the followingE for checking a DAT drive on both VAX and Alpha systems.  I don't know E if it will work for other drive types, and I don't know who wrote it, G but since there's no copyright claim in it, here 'tis.  First parameter B is the drive name, second is the name of a symbol to set to "TRUE"/ (media present) or "FALSE" (media not present).   C You can try to use it as follows (example, substitute your own info  obviously):   ! DEVCHECK :== $D0:[BACKUP]DEVCHECK  DEVCHECK  MKA500:  MEDIAB IF MEDIA .EQS. "FALSE" THEN $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "No media in drive"   Hope that helps.   Rich CCS   , ============================================   #include descrip #include ssdef #include iodef- unsigned long stat, SYS$ASSIGN(), SYS$QIOW(); 8 #define ckstat(x) if (((stat = x) & 7) != 1) SYS$EXIT(x)   main(int nargs, char **args) {   unsigned short chan, iosb[4];  $DESCRIPTOR(devnam, "");   $DESCRIPTOR(symnam, "");   $DESCRIPTOR(true, "TRUE");   $DESCRIPTOR(false, "FALSE");     if(nargs < 3)   SYS$EXIT(SS$_INSFARG);   devnam.dsc$a_pointer = *++args;%  devnam.dsc$w_length = strlen(*args);    symnam.dsc$a_pointer = *++args;%  symnam.dsc$w_length = strlen(*args); *  ckstat(SYS$ASSIGN(&devnam, &chan, 0, 0));F  ckstat(SYS$QIOW(0, chan, IO$_PACKACK, iosb, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0));  if(iosb[0] == SS$_MEDOFL),   return LIB$SET_SYMBOL(&symnam, &false, 0);  else +   return LIB$SET_SYMBOL(&symnam, &true, 0);  }    ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:55:44 +0000 (UTC)< From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)3 Subject: Re: Check whether a tape is loaded in DCL? ) Message-ID: <dpjj2g$50u$1@news.BelWue.DE>   N In article <43BD198F.4080208@comcast.net>, John <norad869@comcast.net> writes: >Christoph Gartmann wrote: >  >>Hello, >>L >>is it possible via DCL to check, whether a tape is present in a MK device? >>
 >>Regards, >>   Christoph Gartmann  >> >>   >>I >Use some of the following commands to ascertain that the tape device is   >available: ! >$ tape_device = "DSCIS7$MKD300:" / >$ exists = f$getdvi("''tape_device'","EXISTS") / >$ available = f$getdvi("''tape_device'","AVL")   J This doesn't help because the drive is available even if there is no media. present (at least with the Quantum SDLT here).   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:56:31 +0000 (UTC)< From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)3 Subject: Re: Check whether a tape is loaded in DCL? ) Message-ID: <dpjj3u$50u$2@news.BelWue.DE>   n In article <1136475568.371365.289060@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> writes:G >If you can use a small image to assist, we've been using the following F >for checking a DAT drive on both VAX and Alpha systems.  I don't knowF >if it will work for other drive types, and I don't know who wrote it,H >but since there's no copyright claim in it, here 'tis.  First parameterC >is the drive name, second is the name of a symbol to set to "TRUE" 0 >(media present) or "FALSE" (media not present).  & Great! This program works as expected.   Thank you very much,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 2006 09:31:22 -0800 ( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>3 Subject: Re: Check whether a tape is loaded in DCL? C Message-ID: <1136482282.775580.115170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   E It was a neat find, and quite useful.  Wish I knew where it was from;  I'd send a thank you note too!   Rich CCS    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:27:27 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 3 Subject: Re: Check whether a tape is loaded in DCL? , Message-ID: <43BD56FE.9F293BF0@teksavvy.com>   Christoph Gartmann wrote: L > This doesn't help because the drive is available even if there is no media0 > present (at least with the Quantum SDLT here).    E I had asked that question some time ago about a CD. And the consensus O back then seemed to be that I had to mount it to see if there was one in there.   G In the case of Digital tape drives, the driver can find out if there is F a tape or not. If you try to mount a tape that isn't loaded, you get a/ "volume is not software enabled" very quickly.    D And if a tape is loaded, you may as well mount it to find its volumeF label to make sure you have the right tape loaded before continuing in your procedure.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:20:42 -0500) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: Chiphead Alert : Message-ID: <ca8vf.35176$X25.816705@news20.bellglobal.com>  2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB773986@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net... [...snip...]   >Neil, > F >Thx for posting - the article was a good read. I especially liked the >quote that stated:  > ? >"It's all too human to substitute jargon and acronyms for true > >understanding, and if an expert can't explain something to anF >intelligent layperson, then that expert's understanding isn't what itC >should be. We should have respect for expertise, but not too much.  > & My favourite quote in the article was:  K "I'm a big fan of learning from others - I think that ability is the key to E the collective wisdom of the human race. We don't live long enough to J accumulate enough personal experience from our own mistakes, so we amplify5 our learning by absorbing the experiences of others."   ; It kind of has the flavour/wisdom of an Isaac Asimov quote.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 10:28:08 -0700 # From: Jim Mehlhop <jim@mehlhop.org> * Subject: Re: DNS DDoS potential in OpenVMS* Message-ID: <43BD5728.6060906@mehlhop.org>   JF Mezei wrote:    > davidc@montagar.com wrote: > > >>In your TCPIP$BIND.CONF file, add a line like the following: >>3 >>acl internal { 10.0.0.0/8 ; 209.39.152.0/24 ; } ;  >  >  >  > works on VAX.  >  >  >>options { 
 >>        ... * >>        allow-recursion { internal ; } ;
 >>        ...  >>} ;  >> >  >  > = > Not supported on VAX. Remmeber that VAX is stuck at BIND 8.  > I > There is a "recursion" command in the executable, but not sure what the  > parameters are.      So get Multinet or TCPware   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:26:34 -0500- From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Honeypot stats I Message-ID: <8660a3a10601050626i529e6002u1f1a6ac6067b5571@mail.gmail.com>   0 On 1/4/06, Phaeton <phaeton@iinet.net.au> wrote: > Neil Rieck wrote: H > >>I'll take Linux or just about any vendor's UNIX over Windows when itJ > >>comes to security and stability any day. Of course, I'll take VMS over > >>either.  > >> > > L > > If I was into tattoos, and my biceps were big enough, I have those 27 w= ords > > done in ink. > K >         :-) Maybe you should consider another part of your anatomy, if it 1 >         was, khm... accommodating enough... :-)  > ; >         ( Sorry, couldn't resist... I'll get my coat... ) L >                                                              Cheers,  Csa= ba > G > --------------------------------------------------------------------- H >   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  phaeton at iinet dot net dot auG > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >     EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]: >   ? As for Windows security, my most succinct comment is "You can't  unSwiss the cheese."   WWWebb   --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 2006 09:29:31 -0800 ( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>) Subject: HSZTerm under newer VMS versions C Message-ID: <1136482171.460760.107890@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   F Anyone out there still using HSZTerm under V7.3-2 or V8.2 Alpha?  JustG curious if it is known to work before putting it on a production box (I E don't have any test boxes with attached HSZ controllers).  I know its  unsupported.   Thanks   Rich CCS    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 2006 05:40:10 -0800 # From: "Galen" <gltackett@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: KVM Switches C Message-ID: <1136468410.887892.318470@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   E We have one kind of Belkin 2-port KVM switches here and another newer " switch from IOgear--model GCS612A.  E With my particular LK461, both of them have the same minor problem if C certain special keys are pressed repeatedly. The symptom is that it C sort of freezes up until another special key is pressed. One of the D keys with this problem happens to be PF3, which is a pain since it's( used for searching in EDT-style editors.  E I don't have another LK461 immediately available to determine whether E the problem is in  the keyboard itself, or in the switches. I'll have < to borrow one from another system when nobody's looking. :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:26:03 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG4 Subject: OpenVMS V8.2-1 source listings (shipped???)0 Message-ID: <00A4F584.09E5B752@SendSpamHere.ORG>  N The V8.2-1 OS for Alpha and Itanium arrived awhile back but my source listingsL CDs for V8.2-1 have not.  Anybody who gets source listings, has your arrived	 as yet?     M Please tell me no!  I really don't want to start off my New Year wallowing in % the quagmire of HP order fulfillment.    --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:49:48 GMT 7 From: John Malmberg <malmberg@dskwld.zko.hp.compaq.dec> / Subject: Re: Samba v3 on VMS and HP VMS Roadmap 1 Message-ID: <M6cvf.1243$0O4.746@news.cpqcorp.net>    Michael D. Ober wrote:J > This answers the support question.  Will the ACME EXTERN AUTH module for4 > Windows Active Directory be ported from Pathworks?  @ It is being looked at, as are other methods of getting the same  functionality.  I Larry Woodcome <Lawrence.Woodcome*hp.com> is the product manager for the   CIFS on OpenVMS.  D I have forwarded the questions posted in this thread to him.  He is G interested in feedback in what features are important to be in a SAMBA  - based offering to help prioritize work on it.    -John ! malmberg@dskwld.zko.hp.compaq.dec  Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 03:42:23 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> B Subject: Re: TCPIP Services: management of cluster alias interface, Message-ID: <43BCDBED.EF42B2A0@teksavvy.com>   I've hit another snag....   F I was wondering why I just couldn't get the OSU web server to start up on the backup node.   % Finally realised what was happening.    H My config files were telling it to listen  on both the cluster alias and that node's real IP address.  G On the backup node, the cluster alias is not active, and that IP cannot M be listened on because it doesn't yet exist. (ifconfig -a gave me that clue).   A Would applications already listening in to the primary IP address F automatically listen in to the cluster alias if/"when this one becomesE active on that node and to the application, it would look like a call # coming in for the primary address ?   G If not, then one really needs to find some way to get notification when D the lcuster alias switches nodes so that you can restart the apps onG that node with the configs that tell them to listen to both the cluster  alias and the real IP.   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:34:53 +0000 (UTC)- From: klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) B Subject: Re: TCPIP Services: management of cluster alias interface. Message-ID: <dpjlbt$da1$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes in article <dpit3n$non$1@online.de> dated Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:40:55 +0000 (UTC): 6 >In article <43BC7124.E8BE3FF7@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei( ><jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  > 2 >> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:$ >> > > Actually i have fixed WAN IP. >> >  # >> > How much extra does that cost?  >>  - >> The smaller ISPs  charge $4.00 to $10.00.   >  >Per month, I assume.   F Mine's free, hehe.  Not as part of the contract, it came as a pleasant) surprise in the DSL setup instructions.      >>          /CLUSTER_TIMER=n >>  . >> Is there additional documentation on this ?  I I don't even have the "help", although the qualifier is recognized by the  CLI.   $ ucx help set comm /clus    SET      COMMUNICATION -     Sorry, no documentation on SET COMM /CLUS     %     Additional information available:   $     Restrictions          QualifiersB     /ACCEPT    /DOMAIN    /LOCAL_HOST           /PROXIES   /REJECT     Examples   Topic?  Exit $ ucx set comm /clusN %CLI-W-VALREQ, missing qualifier or keyword value - supply all required values  \CLUS\  $ ucx sho vers  3   HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 >   on a COMPAQ AlphaServer DS20E 666 MHz running OpenVMS V7.3-1         0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:11:40 -0700 " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>) Subject: Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed : Message-ID: <6omdner7EIaHWiHenZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@bresnan.com>   VLC User wrote:   F > I believe the RZ24-L drive in my VLC is going to die soon (I've beenG > getting mount verification messages and the error count has been 2 or D > more lately when I do a SHO DEV), so I'd like to replace it with a- > spare Seagate ST32171N I have sitting here.  >  > So, I have two questions ... > / > A) Will a Seagate ST32171N work in a VLC, and H > B) If so, what jumper settings on the Seagate ST32171N do I need to be( > aware of (besides SCSI ID, of course)? > E > I've poked around the Internet trying to find this info, but wasn't  > able to find anything. >  > Thanks in advance!  6 http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/scsi/st32171n.html  2 Gawd... use google with the info you already have!     --   Where are we going?   And why am I in this handbasket?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 02:15:00 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ) Subject: Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed , Message-ID: <43BCC75D.8061BA0A@teksavvy.com>   VLC User wrote: / > A) Will a Seagate ST32171N work in a VLC, and H > B) If so, what jumper settings on the Seagate ST32171N do I need to be( > aware of (besides SCSI ID, of course)?  K http://www.seagate.com/cda/products/search/bymodelnumber?modelcode=ST32171N   B Check terminator status on the drive. The rest is fairly standard.  @ The above page gives you the full jumper settings for the drive.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 04:54:21 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ) Subject: Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed 0 Message-ID: <11rpr6gt3f9ne9b@corp.supernews.com>   VLC User wrote: F > I believe the RZ24-L drive in my VLC is going to die soon (I've beenG > getting mount verification messages and the error count has been 2 or D > more lately when I do a SHO DEV), so I'd like to replace it with a- > spare Seagate ST32171N I have sitting here.   F The 32171N is a full height drive, and runs rather hot.  It might not 2 fit in the VLC, and the heat may be a major issue.   > So, I have two questions ... > / > A) Will a Seagate ST32171N work in a VLC, and H > B) If so, what jumper settings on the Seagate ST32171N do I need to be( > aware of (besides SCSI ID, of course)? > E > I've poked around the Internet trying to find this info, but wasn't  > able to find anything. >  > Thanks in advance!  B JF gave you the URL for the drive's specs.  Pretty standard stuff.  E If it was me, I'd look for one of the later RZ26 drives, the thinner  E ones, or another less-than-full-heigth drive.  My experience is that  . they are newer technology and run much cooler.  6 Another option is an external enclosure for the drive.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:41:17 -0600 (CST)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)) Subject: Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed 2 Message-ID: <06010508410691_20331674@antinode.org>  ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>     > > [...] Seagate ST32171N [...]  H > The 32171N is a full height drive, and runs rather hot.  It might not 4 > fit in the VLC, and the heat may be a major issue.  E    That would make it the first and only Seagate ST3* drive which was H taller than one inch.  Is your power consumption judgement just as good?  D    Seagate ST1* drives are 1.6 inches high, which is what most folks@ consider "full height" in a 3.5-inch drive.  If you want heat, IF recommend the ST15150x, an early Barracuda.  (Now, if you want height,H ST4* drives are _really_ full-height, and pretty good on width and mass, too, as I recall.)  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:51:40 -0500C From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> ) Subject: Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed : Message-ID: <ggavf.23845$3I3.19472@bignews5.bellsouth.net>  B We have  a load of these RZ26 drives (low profile and full height)  H I will give you one (no warranty but tested) at no charge - you just pay shipping   DT   --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X252  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   , "VLC User" <fake@email.com> wrote in message2 news:kpepr1tml7n5mtpch8861stcq181nbtv7a@4ax.com...F > I believe the RZ24-L drive in my VLC is going to die soon (I've beenG > getting mount verification messages and the error count has been 2 or D > more lately when I do a SHO DEV), so I'd like to replace it with a- > spare Seagate ST32171N I have sitting here.  >  > So, I have two questions ... > / > A) Will a Seagate ST32171N work in a VLC, and H > B) If so, what jumper settings on the Seagate ST32171N do I need to be( > aware of (besides SCSI ID, of course)? > E > I've poked around the Internet trying to find this info, but wasn't  > able to find anything. >  > Thanks in advance!   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:06:17 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ) Subject: Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed 0 Message-ID: <11rqgvt4hdvi0e1@corp.supernews.com>   Steven M. Schweda wrote:) > From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  >  >>>[...] Seagate ST32171N [...]  >  > H >>The 32171N is a full height drive, and runs rather hot.  It might not 4 >>fit in the VLC, and the heat may be a major issue. >  > G >    That would make it the first and only Seagate ST3* drive which was J > taller than one inch.  Is your power consumption judgement just as good?  F It's my memory that's impaired.  I was thinking of the 15150 that you G mention below.  I have some of the 32173 drives and they do run rather   cool, in comparison.  F >    Seagate ST1* drives are 1.6 inches high, which is what most folksB > consider "full height" in a 3.5-inch drive.  If you want heat, IH > recommend the ST15150x, an early Barracuda.  (Now, if you want height,J > ST4* drives are _really_ full-height, and pretty good on width and mass, > too, as I recall.) > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 6 >    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98185 >    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org  >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:26:52 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) ) Subject: Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed 0 Message-ID: <Mxdvf.1255$ND4.10@news.cpqcorp.net>  Z In article <kpepr1tml7n5mtpch8861stcq181nbtv7a@4ax.com>, VLC User <fake@email.com> writes:E :...so I'd like to replace it with a spare Seagate ST32171N I have...   G   Please see the OpenVMS FAQ, as a start.  You are not the first person F   to consider performing device integration and testing, and the usualH   wrinkles have been discussed on various occasions and in various fora.  E   Accordingly, an introduction to the topic was added into the FAQ a  E   while back -- I just took a quick look at the current FAQ text, and E   will add a discussion of thermal issues into that text.  (More than E   a few folks have fried their storage devices over weeks' or months' C   after installation, for instance, as there can be device thermal  A   (cooling) requirements left unmet by various system or storage  
   enclosures.      URLs:   2     http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_8954.html%     http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq/   B   And search for various previous discussions here in comp.os.vms.  C   Sometimes this integration and testing effort is little more than F   plug-and-chug, and sometimes it's a massive project -- the value-addI   of the supported devices isn't necessarily always clearly communicated, A   but it most certainly does exist.  TANSTAAFL, in other letters.       N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[\0100]hp.com    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.010 ************************