0 INFO-VAX	Sat, 07 Jan 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 13      Contents:  Re: Alpha/IA64 shadowing problem* Re: Check whether a tape is loaded in DCL?* Re: Check whether a tape is loaded in DCL?$ Re: HSZTerm under newer VMS versionsF RE: MCI is not more. Curly gets 40 million to kill yet another companyF Re: MCI is not more. Curly gets 40 million to kill yet another company% Re: OpenVMS on pcs would be a winner! % Re: OpenVMS on pcs would be a winner! % Re: OpenVMS on pcs would be a winner! % Re: OpenVMS on pcs would be a winner! F OT: MCI is not more. Curly gets 40 million to kill yet another company
 Re: SSH login   Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed  Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed  Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed+ Re: WVNETcluster uptime reaches 10 years... + Re: WVNETcluster uptime reaches 10 years...   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2006 23:45:33 -0500 . From: brooks@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks)) Subject: Re: Alpha/IA64 shadowing problem , Message-ID: <2EGT5BLrm6qP@cuebid.zko.hp.com>   (Malcolm Dunnett) writes: 2 >  I have a two node cluster consisting of an ES402 > running VMS 8.2 and an rx2600 running VMS 8.2-1.  8 > Anyone else seen anything like this? What should I be   > looking at to troubleshoot it?  H If you have a support contract, please contact your support centre; thisG may wind up being quite involved -- we may want forced crashes, etc ...   H If you don't have a contract, email me directly, and I'll see what I can do.   O Are you familiar with DKDRIVER logging within SDA?  We'll probably need to take L a look at what DKDRIVER thinks is happening on the rx2600.  I'm also curiousI as to what the shadowing driver thinks is happening, but we'll start with 3 DKDRIVER and work our way up the driver stack . . .   I You may have mentioned this (if so, I apologize for missing it), but what : happens if the shadow set is *only* mounted on the rx2600?  H For DKDRIVER logging on the rx2600, this is what you'll need to do . . .  
 $ ANAL/SYSM SDA> DKLOG START $1$DGAnnnn: /ENTRIES = 1024 ! do this for each member of the G                                        shadow sets that are problematic 	 SDA> EXIT   ! $ ! mount the relevant shadowsets J $ ! once the shadowsets start going in and out of mount verification . . .
 $ ANAL/SYS SDA> SET OUT DGAnnnn.out SDA> DKLOG SHOW $1$DGAnnnn:   K Do those above steps for each device on which you've started logging above.   O I'm not claiming that I'll be able to diagnose the problem with just this info,  but it'll be a good start.   --    L Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.hp.com   ------------------------------   Date: 6 JAN 2006 20:08:05 GMT + From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> 3 Subject: Re: Check whether a tape is loaded in DCL? 1 Message-ID: <6JAN06.20080575@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>   @ In a previous article, "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote:G > It was a neat find, and quite useful.  Wish I knew where it was from;   > I'd send a thank you note too! >    > Rich > CCS   H FWIW, that tool (or at least a nearly identical one) was posted on c.o.vI 5-SEP-1996 although no claim to authorship was made.  Here's what I have:   % > From: mckinneyj@cpgtsa.dcs.saic.com  > Date:  5-SEP-1996  15:22:25 / > Subj: Re: Test device for medium before mount  > 6 > Message sent: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 12:03:34 -0800 (PST). > 3 > In article <009A7ECC.BF816F00.24@DECUS.DECUS.DE>, # >   keller_f@DECUS.DECUS.DE writes:  > > Hi, K > > how can a program test a removable SCSI-device wether there is a medium N > > inserted into the device. A system-call SYS$MOUNT is hanging forever, when > > the device is "empty". > > 4 >   Here's some code that I use on my tape drives... >  > - Jim  [snip]   Dave --9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:54:45 -0700 # From: Jim Mehlhop <jim@mehlhop.org> 3 Subject: Re: Check whether a tape is loaded in DCL? / Message-ID: <brDvf.84$M_5.3226@news.uswest.net>    Roy Omond wrote:   > Christoph Gartmann wrote:  > 	 >> Hello,  >>F >> is it possible via DCL to check, whether a tape is present in a MK 
 >> device? >  >  > Sorry for the late reply ... > C > You can use the unsupported (but very useful) utility in Sys$etc:  >  > $ rzt:=$sys$etc:rztools_alpha  > $  > $ rzt mka500:/tur  > J > Will return "Unit is Ready" if there's a tape in there, otherwise you'll$ > get "Drive not ready".  It's fast. >  > Roy Omond  > Blue Bubble Ltd.  G With a caveat.  The FIRST time you run it after physically inserting a  / tape I see Unit attention  not "Drive is Ready"      $ $ rzt mkc0:/tur 8 %SCSI-CHECKSENSE, Drive returned a status of CHECKSENSE. %SCSI-UNITATN, Unit attention.C %SCSI-ASCASCQ, Addtional Sense Code (ASC) 28  and ASC Qualifier 00.    $ $ rzt sys4$mkc0:/tur %SCSI-GOOD, Drive is Ready.    Physically unloaded it   $ $ rzt sys4$mkc0:/tur8 %SCSI-CHECKSENSE, Drive returned a status of CHECKSENSE.  %SCSI-NOTREADY, Drive not ready.C %SCSI-ASCASCQ, Addtional Sense Code (ASC) 3A  and ASC Qualifier 00.    Physically loaded again    $ $ rzt sys4$mkc0:/tur8 %SCSI-CHECKSENSE, Drive returned a status of CHECKSENSE. %SCSI-UNITATN, Unit attention.C %SCSI-ASCASCQ, Addtional Sense Code (ASC) 28  and ASC Qualifier 00.    $ $ rzt sys4$mkc0:/tur %SCSI-GOOD, Drive is Ready.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 22:33:50 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>- Subject: Re: HSZTerm under newer VMS versions + Message-ID: <43BF44AE.FA8FEFF8@comcast.net>    Rob Brooks wrote:  > 3 > "R.A.Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> writes:  > > Rich Jordan wrote: > K > >> Anyone out there still using HSZTerm under V7.3-2 or V8.2 Alpha?  Just L > >> curious if it is known to work before putting it on a production box (IJ > >> don't have any test boxes with attached HSZ controllers).  I know its > >> unsupported.  > L > > Rich, you bet we're still using HSZterm under VMS 7.3-2 (I haven't triedH > > it yet on 8.2).  Couldn't live without it.  Never ever had a problem+ > > with it despite it being "unsupported".  > K > It still works correctly (for me) on an early version of what will become  > V8.3.    Rob,  F If your group carries any leverage where it would be needed, you wouldG be doing the user base a *VERY* large favor to have this made available D as an unsupported option at install time. Many sites are still usingF older storage arrays, and will be for the foreseeable future. SWCC andG Command Scripter simply are not options for some some sites (especially 
 not SWCC).   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:21:03 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> O Subject: RE: MCI is not more. Curly gets 40 million to kill yet another company R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB773AB5@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]=20  > Sent: January 6, 2006 6:12 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com @ > Subject: OT: MCI is not more. Curly gets 40 million to kill=20 > yet another company  >=20@ > http://news.com.com/Verizon+closes+book+on+MCI+merger/2100-103! > 7_3-6003498.html?tag=3Dnefd.top  >=20H > Curly, the acountant-turned-CEO has gotten yet another lumpsum to killA > off a company. This time, he managed to sell off the remains=20 
 > of Worldcom H > to Verizon. (MCI were its only real assets since "Worldcom" itself was > just an empty .com shell). >=20@ > The good news is that Curly is once again out of a job. The=20
 > bad news is ' > that he got $40 million for his deed.  >=20 >=20A > Curly should seek a job at Microsoft. Within a couple of years, G > Microsoft would be begging to be saved and perhaps Dell might buy the  > remains of Microsoft.  >=20G > The guy may be incompetant at properly managing a corporation, but he B > sure knows how to refill hsi bank account every couple of years. >=20  F Well, as much as I do not like seeing industry exec's get big payoff'sH for little to show accomplishments, you have to admit that taking over aE *bankrupt* company and then turning it around a short time later such : that shareholders receive $6.7B is a very impressive task.  > I bet that most shareholders feel that he did a fantastic job.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 20:34:13 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> O Subject: Re: MCI is not more. Curly gets 40 million to kill yet another company , Message-ID: <43BF1A74.8D91BB61@teksavvy.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:H > Well, as much as I do not like seeing industry exec's get big payoff'sJ > for little to show accomplishments, you have to admit that taking over aG > *bankrupt* company and then turning it around a short time later such < > that shareholders receive $6.7B is a very impressive task.  G Impressive task ? All he did was take the job and salary and change the G name to MCI to make the company more attractive to an investor and then H hired a M&A banker to find a good buyer. He had nothing to do to fix MCIH because MCI was a viable company before Worldcom bought it with borrowed money.    H And you need to ask who were the shareholders who are getting money fromG the Verizon buyout. During the bankrupcy, it is not uncommon to convert F debt into equity anmd that means the company issues tons of new share,F diluting onwership of previous shareholders to peanuts.  (In fairness,G Culry would not get credit or blame for this since this would have been + decided before he got in by the creditors).    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:47:28 -0500* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>. Subject: Re: OpenVMS on pcs would be a winner!0 Message-ID: <11rtep5hf60hf38@corp.supernews.com>  ' <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message  = news:1136387303.163998.169490@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > dcl is the closest thing to dos but is much more helpful ... > 6 > Right now everyone is digusted with security and are/ > looking for an out of box secure solution ...  > < > either HP execs are extremely stupid or Gates at Micro$oft6 > is paying HP big bucks to keep it off the market ... >    Not really.   H Of course DCL is great (nothing less), but Un*x shell scripts, although I unreadable, are almost as good (some will say better probably, who knows) H Besides, shell script makes a lot more sense than the stupid DOS syntax I (it's gotten totally crazy with the new syntax for extracting substrings  H etc.) even though the instructions and switches are totally meaningless.  J So you can get Linux if you want good (I mean to say efficient) scripting  capabilities on a peecee.   
 My 2 cents   Syltrem    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:44:59 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> . Subject: Re: OpenVMS on pcs would be a winner!( Message-ID: <ops2yzo9qrzgicya@hyrrokkin>  G On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:47:28 -0500, Syltrem <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>    wrote:  K > So you can get Linux if you want good (I mean to say efficient) scripting  > capabilities on a peecee. J cygwin under windows provides a bash shell, which is pretty good.  There   is also  Rexx   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:35:50 -0500* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>. Subject: Re: OpenVMS on pcs would be a winner!0 Message-ID: <11rthjr5cscnv66@corp.supernews.com>  / "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message  " news:ops2yzo9qrzgicya@hyrrokkin...H > On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:47:28 -0500, Syltrem <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>  > wrote: > L >> So you can get Linux if you want good (I mean to say efficient) scripting >> capabilities on a peecee.K > cygwin under windows provides a bash shell, which is pretty good.  There  	 > is also  > Rexx  G But I would still prefer Charon-VAX... which I forgot to mention in my  
 earlier reply    Syltrem    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2006 12:49:26 -0800 , From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <quayle@pobox.com>. Subject: Re: OpenVMS on pcs would be a winner!C Message-ID: <1136580566.409880.283090@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   % > But I would still prefer Charon-VAX   8 I can help you with that...  [Shameless Plug Alert (tm)]   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:12:08 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> O Subject: OT: MCI is not more. Curly gets 40 million to kill yet another company , Message-ID: <43BEF92F.FA2970FB@teksavvy.com>  [ http://news.com.com/Verizon+closes+book+on+MCI+merger/2100-1037_3-6003498.html?tag=nefd.top   F Curly, the acountant-turned-CEO has gotten yet another lumpsum to killH off a company. This time, he managed to sell off the remains of WorldcomF to Verizon. (MCI were its only real assets since "Worldcom" itself was just an empty .com shell).  G The good news is that Curly is once again out of a job. The bad news is % that he got $40 million for his deed.     ? Curly should seek a job at Microsoft. Within a couple of years, E Microsoft would be begging to be saved and perhaps Dell might buy the  remains of Microsoft.   E The guy may be incompetant at properly managing a corporation, but he @ sure knows how to refill hsi bank account every couple of years.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 15:29:07 -0600 8 From: Carl Karcher <karcher.nomorespam@waisman.wisc.edu> Subject: Re: SSH login- Message-ID: <dpmnf4$cji$1@news.doit.wisc.edu>    Tom Linden wrote:  ... I > Yes, and it revealed that the password had expired (even though a new    > account...  A This is a known problem - the ssh client doesn't properly handle  F pre-exired passwords. Will be fixed in a future eco (according to HP).     --   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison 0 --                      karcher@waisman.wisc.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 15:15:31 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> ) Subject: Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed , Message-ID: <4284tqF1hq8bjU1@individual.net>   VLC User wrote: F > I believe the RZ24-L drive in my VLC is going to die soon (I've beenG > getting mount verification messages and the error count has been 2 or D > more lately when I do a SHO DEV), so I'd like to replace it with a- > spare Seagate ST32171N I have sitting here.  >  > So, I have two questions ... > / > A) Will a Seagate ST32171N work in a VLC, and H > B) If so, what jumper settings on the Seagate ST32171N do I need to be( > aware of (besides SCSI ID, of course)?  H I'm not familiar with this particular drive, but in general you need to D set the SCSI ID (obviously), enable parity and disable termination. ; Those are probably all the jumpers you need to worry about.   F Other concerns come into play depending on the version of VMS.  There E are various SCSI mode page settings having to do with error recovery  I which are an issue with VMS 5.5-2.  Generally, a drive coming out of the  G PC world will have the error recovery options turned off and VMS needs  G them turned on.  The result is a "fatal drive error" when mounting the   drive.  / I think the parameters are: RC, ARRE, and ARWE.   D AFAIK, (but haven't tested) this restriction goes away with VMS 6.2.  
 Good luck!   --  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  B Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com    Fax: 817-237-3074   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:33:29 -0700 # From: Jim Mehlhop <jim@mehlhop.org> ) Subject: Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed / Message-ID: <e7Dvf.82$M_5.3127@news.uswest.net>    Chris Scheers wrote:   > VLC User wrote:  > G >> I believe the RZ24-L drive in my VLC is going to die soon (I've been H >> getting mount verification messages and the error count has been 2 orE >> more lately when I do a SHO DEV), so I'd like to replace it with a . >> spare Seagate ST32171N I have sitting here. >> >> So, I have two questions ...  >>0 >> A) Will a Seagate ST32171N work in a VLC, andI >> B) If so, what jumper settings on the Seagate ST32171N do I need to be ) >> aware of (besides SCSI ID, of course)?  >  > J > I'm not familiar with this particular drive, but in general you need to F > set the SCSI ID (obviously), enable parity and disable termination. = > Those are probably all the jumpers you need to worry about.  > H > Other concerns come into play depending on the version of VMS.  There G > are various SCSI mode page settings having to do with error recovery  K > which are an issue with VMS 5.5-2.  Generally, a drive coming out of the  I > PC world will have the error recovery options turned off and VMS needs  I > them turned on.  The result is a "fatal drive error" when mounting the   > drive. > 1 > I think the parameters are: RC, ARRE, and ARWE.  > F > AFAIK, (but haven't tested) this restriction goes away with VMS 6.2. >  > Good luck! >    Thanks  F That explains a lot of my problem with 5.5-2 (when I have to boot it)  with a number of my drives.    Jim    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 19:22:24 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> ) Subject: Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed 2 Message-ID: <43BF17D0.7030001@applied-synergy.com>   Jim Mehlhop wrote: > Chris Scheers wrote: >  >> VLC User wrote: >>H >>> I believe the RZ24-L drive in my VLC is going to die soon (I've beenI >>> getting mount verification messages and the error count has been 2 or F >>> more lately when I do a SHO DEV), so I'd like to replace it with a/ >>> spare Seagate ST32171N I have sitting here.  >>>   >>> So, I have two questions ... >>> 1 >>> A) Will a Seagate ST32171N work in a VLC, and J >>> B) If so, what jumper settings on the Seagate ST32171N do I need to be* >>> aware of (besides SCSI ID, of course)? >> >>H >> I'm not familiar with this particular drive, but in general you need J >> to set the SCSI ID (obviously), enable parity and disable termination. > >> Those are probably all the jumpers you need to worry about. >>I >> Other concerns come into play depending on the version of VMS.  There  H >> are various SCSI mode page settings having to do with error recovery H >> which are an issue with VMS 5.5-2.  Generally, a drive coming out of H >> the PC world will have the error recovery options turned off and VMS C >> needs them turned on.  The result is a "fatal drive error" when   >> mounting the drive. >>2 >> I think the parameters are: RC, ARRE, and ARWE. >>G >> AFAIK, (but haven't tested) this restriction goes away with VMS 6.2.  >>
 >> Good luck!  >> >  > Thanks > H > That explains a lot of my problem with 5.5-2 (when I have to boot it)  > with a number of my drives.   F Years ago I found a program on HP's web site called SCSIEXER.  I have E successfully used this to rewrite the SCSI parameter pages so that a  3 generic drive can work successfully with VMS 5.5-2.   G This requires a PC with a supported ASPI HBA.  It is a DOS application.   5 I think that RZ_TOOLS may also have a way to do this.    --  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  B Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com    Fax: 817-237-3074   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 06 15:51:03 EST ) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) 4 Subject: Re: WVNETcluster uptime reaches 10 years...! Message-ID: <vMcZsp5mA0WO@wvnvms>   r In article <Xfxvf.3003$iQ.1619@tornado.southeast.rr.com>, "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> writes:G > "David B Sneddon - bigpond" <dbsneddon#bigpond.com> wrote in message  $ > news:43BE1804.70801@bigpond.com... >>C >> http://uptimes.hostingwired.com/account.php?op=details&hid=13922  >> >> Regards,  >> Dave  >> -- E >> David B Sneddon (dbs) VMS Systems Programmer dbsneddon#bigpond.com E >> Sneddo's quick guide ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/ E >> DBS freeware   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm  >  > J > That's impressive.  Is there any way those stats can be smudged by OSes?  ? I know for a fact that the uptime for WVNETcluster is accurate. @ FWIW, if a major power problem hadn't happened, the uptime would have been since 21-Feb-1993.  , $ write sys$output f$getsyi("cluster_ftime")  5-JAN-1996 05:14:46.72      George Cook  WVNET    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 00:49:45 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 4 Subject: Re: WVNETcluster uptime reaches 10 years..., Message-ID: <43BF5649.51D600A6@teksavvy.com>   Kenneth Farmer wrote: K > I'm sure it's correct.  I'm wondering if other OS fanatics could argue it  > can be rigged.  ( This rigging isn't really the question.   E Comparing apples to oranges is. Is it fair to compare the uptime of a 2 VMS cluster  against that of individual machines ?  B Not all clusters are configured with failover capabilities for theE applications, so using cluster uptime as a metric isn't totally fair.   H If you have 2 Solaris machines that provide HTTP/WEB servers and using aG router to distribute traffic and stop sending traffic to a node that is > down, the uptimes project won't report a "cluster" up time butE individual nodes uptime even though functionally, those solaris boxes 5 would offer about the same uptime than a VMS cluster.     F Having said this, this is a great marketing opportunity for VMS, so ifH the clustering software gives VMS an unfair advantage, then by all meansH it should be flaunted as much as possible.  (Am thinking about addint myC cluster to this, it has been up since the last power failure on Jul F 17th, and that date should persist through my upgrades, removal of the? all mighty MVII, addition of 2 new vaxes and plenty of software G upgrades/patches/reboots as well as the move to the MVII cabinet of the J new machines once the MVII has been shutdown and removed from the cabinet.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.013 ************************