0 INFO-VAX	Sun, 08 Jan 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 15      Contents:" Free to a good home: OSF/1 manuals HSD30 issuesF Re: MCI is not more. Curly gets 40 million to kill yet another companyF Re: MCI is not more. Curly gets 40 million to kill yet another companyF Re: MCI is not more. Curly gets 40 million to kill yet another company Re: more lbr$flush problems  OpenVMS 7.2 boot problems   Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed+ Re: WVNETcluster uptime reaches 10 years... + RE: WVNETcluster uptime reaches 10 years...   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 7 Jan 2006 15:48:22 -0600 2 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)+ Subject: Free to a good home: OSF/1 manuals 3 Message-ID: <MKZxQ1K+NVEN@eisner.encompasserve.org>   H I'm cleaning up my home office. I've got a lot of stuff that will eitherL need to find a new home, or will head to the recycle bin. All I'm asking forJ any of this is my shipping costs from Chicago. First email by 12-Jan takes the lot.  L The first box is from an OSF/1 3.2 class. It includes the following manuals: AA-PS2BE-TE	Release Notes  AA-PS2DE-TE	Installation Guide! AA-PS2GC-TE	Network Configuration ! AA-PS2RC-TE	System Administration " AA-PS2SB-TE	Network Administration AA-PTTMB-TE	DEC Verifier   More to come as I catalog it.    --  O   Bob Kaplow   NAR # 18L   >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< E Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  O ... One nation under surveillance, divisive, with liberty and justice for none.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:14:55 -0500 # From: Joel <jloveless@adelphia.com>  Subject: HSD30 issues 8 Message-ID: <2e70s1thkadis84t0pcc1ppmcb50g6aon0@4ax.com>  C I am trying to expand the disk space on an HSD30 controller pair. I D have added an RZ40-VA (9gb) disk and are attempting to create a unitC for the device. I get the following error from the > ADD UNIT D1000  DISK320 command:  > Error 9310: Container metadata check failed, unit not created.  E The drive is good as I have been using them in another system. I have C also tried multiple drives, only the RZ40-VA displays this issue. I F have tried > INIT DISK320 and the command completes with no issue. TheC HSD30 firmware version V27D-0 I beleive supports the RZ40 device. I F have other devices on this controller, RZ29B-VW (4gb), with no issues.  D Anyone have any ideas on how to get this disk device to work? I needA 9gb disks on the HSD30 controller pair to expand disk space. I am A hoping I will not have to purchase a couple of HSD50's to replace  these controllers.  E On another issue, I get MIRROR NOT ENABLED when I attempt to create a F mirrorset on this controller. I have raid sets currently in use. Could# this be a license or firmwar issue?   
 Joel Loveless  Systems Engineer CPT International  Marietta, GA   System Configuration 2 VAX 4705A, DSSI, SCSI  OpenVMS 6.2  HSD30 pair dual connected    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:20:00 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> O Subject: Re: MCI is not more. Curly gets 40 million to kill yet another company , Message-ID: <43C02268.E8D797C6@teksavvy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: J > Of course, someone decides how much to pay the CEO.  My point of view is> > that a success-dependent compensation is the best solution.   H I don't consider a CEO whose claim to fame is to shut down companies and9 sell the assets to some other company to be "succesfull".   D A CEO is ssupposed to lead a companmy to success and make it healthy/ again. Lou Gerstner at IBM is a great example.    E Curly is nothing but a janitor taking care of the company while it is  being dismantled/sold.  B The creditors of Worldcom probably decided that it wasn't a viable@ company in a context of the baby bells buying back long distanceG companies and hired the Curly janitor to shut down the company and sell C it. In essence, Curly is nothing but a M&A banker who knows nothing K about leading a corporation. And being an accountant, it is understandable.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:31:02 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> O Subject: Re: MCI is not more. Curly gets 40 million to kill yet another company , Message-ID: <43C024FC.169A2648@teksavvy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: J > If it's not worth $40 million, then why did those who decided to pay him- > that much waste their money in this manner?   H One of the mobile phopne companies in Canada, Microcell, ran out of .comH cash and declared bankrupcy protection. During bankrupcy retructuration,G Microcell exchanged debt for equity. Microcell issued tons of new stock > to be given to the banks. The banks ended up onwing 99% of the@ recapitalised company and the original shareholders's shares now3 represnting only 1% of total shares in circulation.   E The banks had no interest in staying onwers and had publically stated E that the intended to sell the shares. Microcell had become profitable G and was growing again, but the banks were not interested in keeping the G stock to get their money back in the long term. So what they did is get ? another of their big customers Rogers Telecomminications to buy  Microcell from them.  D So the bank not only ended up converting the Microcell bad debt intoG hard cash in a short amount of time, but also got to lend tons of money C to Rogers so it could buy Microcell, and those loans generated more 0 revenue to the banks than Microcell's dividends.  D The banks had 0 interest in Microcell being succesful. They had 100%' intererest in getting their money back.     H Now, coming back to Worldcom. It too was in bankrupcy restructuring. AndD if banks agreed to convert debt into equity, they would also see theF selling of worldcom to a another company as a quick way to convert badD debt into hard cash and they may not have had any interest in seeingE worldcom survive. So to them, hiring the Curly accountant wasn't that H bad because all they wanted was for Curly to find a buyer.  But the factE remains that Curly didn't do any good deed. He just followed what the F creditors (who would now be onwers) told him to do. Not a good leader, not a good CEO.   D What is really sad in this story is that if the .COM virtual companyH Worldcom  hadn't gotten the funding to buy the real brick and mortar MCI4 company, MCI would still be alive and healthy today.  G Lets not forget that MCI was a big VMS shop. Not sure if they still run F VMS in a significant way, and if Verizon will keep VMS in what used to be MCI.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:21:47 +08003 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> O Subject: Re: MCI is not more. Curly gets 40 million to kill yet another company 1 Message-ID: <dppq3e$ahl$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi,   H I wonder if MCI employees could strike for a fair deal? And whether that would be legal?    Regards Richard Maher   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:43BEF92F.FA2970FB@teksavvy.com... > [ http://news.com.com/Verizon+closes+book+on+MCI+merger/2100-1037_3-6003498.html?tag=nefd.top  > H > Curly, the acountant-turned-CEO has gotten yet another lumpsum to killJ > off a company. This time, he managed to sell off the remains of WorldcomH > to Verizon. (MCI were its only real assets since "Worldcom" itself was > just an empty .com shell). > I > The good news is that Curly is once again out of a job. The bad news is ' > that he got $40 million for his deed.  >  > A > Curly should seek a job at Microsoft. Within a couple of years, G > Microsoft would be begging to be saved and perhaps Dell might buy the  > remains of Microsoft.  > G > The guy may be incompetant at properly managing a corporation, but he B > sure knows how to refill hsi bank account every couple of years.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:13:08 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>$ Subject: Re: more lbr$flush problems- Message-ID: <43C020CC.4C935592@vaxination.ca>    Joshua Lehrer wrote:D > However, I have discovered that calling lbr$flush between calls to8 > lbr$put_record causes the library to become corrupted.  E lbr$flush is very picky. It must be called once after the lbr$put_end C only, and I think that it will even corrupt the library if you call C lbr$flush without having modified the library. I had  problems with F lbr$flush and had to put up a few flags in my application to enable or disable the calling of it.    F Also, you can't call lbr$close immediatly after lbr$flush. You need toM do something to the library in between the two, otherwise you get corruption.   E The easiest solution would be to increase the virtual memory quota of  your process (pgfilquota).   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 23:26:38 -05002 From: "Timothy Stark" <fsword7_nospam@comcast.net>" Subject: OpenVMS 7.2 boot problems: Message-ID: <udidnR-sGJfiCV3enZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@comcast.com>   Hello folks,  K For 2 years, I had re-written the entire core system and VAX emulation for  L my TS10 emulator.  I tried C++ programming but found out that its emulation K was slower than my original C version.  I finally gave up and re-wrote the  J core system and VAX emulation by using C language instead for much better  speed.  J I finally got OpenVMS booting throught VMB and SYSBOOT initialization. It J now announced its banner.  After that, it crashed and displayed bug check K message incidate invalid exception above AST level 2.  According to my log  K file, it crashed during IPL level 8 after LDPCTX executed (before starting  M sysinit process) when it attempted to access null pointer.  It crashed later  K after accessed IP register to starting MSCP disk controller initialization   for user processes.   J Only problem is that I do not have AXE tests to test each VAX instruction L due to unforeseen bugs in my VAX emulator.  Yes, I was looking for bugs but I can't find.  Does anyone recongize that problems during process creation  C (page fail trap due to null pointer) and know solution to fix bugs?    Thanks,  Tim    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 22:57:36 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> ) Subject: Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed 0 Message-ID: <43C09BC0.30906@applied-synergy.com>   Glenn Everhart wrote:  > Jim Mehlhop wrote: >> Chris Scheers wrote:  >> >>> VLC User wrote:  >>> I >>>> I believe the RZ24-L drive in my VLC is going to die soon (I've been J >>>> getting mount verification messages and the error count has been 2 orG >>>> more lately when I do a SHO DEV), so I'd like to replace it with a 0 >>>> spare Seagate ST32171N I have sitting here. >>>>! >>>> So, I have two questions ...  >>>>2 >>>> A) Will a Seagate ST32171N work in a VLC, andK >>>> B) If so, what jumper settings on the Seagate ST32171N do I need to be + >>>> aware of (besides SCSI ID, of course)?  >>>  >>>  >>> I >>> I'm not familiar with this particular drive, but in general you need  > >>> to set the SCSI ID (obviously), enable parity and disable L >>> termination. Those are probably all the jumpers you need to worry about. >>> J >>> Other concerns come into play depending on the version of VMS.  There I >>> are various SCSI mode page settings having to do with error recovery  I >>> which are an issue with VMS 5.5-2.  Generally, a drive coming out of  I >>> the PC world will have the error recovery options turned off and VMS  D >>> needs them turned on.  The result is a "fatal drive error" when  >>> mounting the drive.  >>> 3 >>> I think the parameters are: RC, ARRE, and ARWE.  >>> H >>> AFAIK, (but haven't tested) this restriction goes away with VMS 6.2. >>>  >>> Good luck! >>>  >>	 >> Thanks  >>I >> That explains a lot of my problem with 5.5-2 (when I have to boot it)   >> with a number of my drives. >> >> JimL > Well, normally RC (read continuous) will NOT be turned on for a PC either,L > since it allows a drive to fabricate fake data to keep data rate up. (ThatJ > wouldn't work very well with any codec output either; can't imagine many) > cases where RC would be used nowadays.)  > A > VMS SCSI drivers should and as I recall do attempt to set error I > parameters right, and even if that cannot be done will tend to tolerate 7 > no AWRE/ARRE (but bad blk recovery won't be as good).   E Sorry, I had the logic wrong.  PCs normally enable the error control  G bits to let the drive handle error recovery on its own.  VMS wants the  ? error control bits clear so that VMS can handle error recovery.   H In VMS 5.5-2, the RC, ARRE, and ARWE bits must be clear.  If these bits G are set, VMS will not use the drive.  I believe that later versions of  L VMS do issue the correct commands to clear the bits, but VMS 5.5-2 does not.   --  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  B Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com    Fax: 817-237-3074   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jan 2006 23:38:41 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)4 Subject: Re: WVNETcluster uptime reaches 10 years..., Message-ID: <42b1o1F1i53trU4@individual.net>  3 In article <eWHVHo9INQti@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:^ > In article <43BF5649.51D600A6@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >> Kenneth Farmer wrote:M >>> I'm sure it's correct.  I'm wondering if other OS fanatics could argue it  >>> can be rigged. >>  + >> This rigging isn't really the question.   >>  H >> Comparing apples to oranges is. Is it fair to compare the uptime of a5 >> VMS cluster  against that of individual machines ?  > I > The purpose of computers is not to keep a particular green light on the G > machine lit, but rather to provide some service to humans.  If VMS is I > able to provide that service on a continuous basis that is what counts.  > H > The involvement of multiple CPUs, threads of execution, power suppliesF > etc. is just so much geeky technical trivia not germane to the issue0 > of whether the service was provided to humans. > K >> If you have 2 Solaris machines that provide HTTP/WEB servers and using a J >> router to distribute traffic and stop sending traffic to a node that isA >> down, the uptimes project won't report a "cluster" up time but H >> individual nodes uptime even though functionally, those solaris boxes8 >> would offer about the same uptime than a VMS cluster. > F > That service provided would not be the same if the web site involvedD > updating.  For read-only applications I have an even more reliable, > technology pre-dating VMS called a "book".  F And why could the above mentioned Solaris system not involve updating?F I have multiple servers with shared file systems so that any update onD any system is universal.  I can (and do) do rolling  updates so thatF system availability is continuous.  There are only two things missing.B A "cluster uptime" value and thinking it matteried enough to care.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 22:05:50 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> 4 Subject: RE: WVNETcluster uptime reaches 10 years...R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB773AC3@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----$ > From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu=20A > [mailto:bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Gunshannon  > Sent: January 7, 2006 6:39 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 6 > Subject: Re: WVNETcluster uptime reaches 10 years... >=205 > In article <eWHVHo9INQti@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 2 > 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:< > > In article <43BF5649.51D600A6@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei=20( > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > >> Kenneth Farmer wrote:: > >>> I'm sure it's correct.  I'm wondering if other OS=20 > fanatics could argue it  > >>> can be rigged. > >>=20 / > >> This rigging isn't really the question.=20  > >>=20 A > >> Comparing apples to oranges is. Is it fair to compare the=20 
 > uptime of a 7 > >> VMS cluster  against that of individual machines ?  > >=20A > > The purpose of computers is not to keep a particular green=20  > light on theB > > machine lit, but rather to provide some service to humans. =20 > If VMS is A > > able to provide that service on a continuous basis that is=20  > what counts. > >=20> > > The involvement of multiple CPUs, threads of execution,=20 > power suppliesH > > etc. is just so much geeky technical trivia not germane to the issue2 > > of whether the service was provided to humans. > >=20< > >> If you have 2 Solaris machines that provide HTTP/WEB=20 > servers and using a B > >> router to distribute traffic and stop sending traffic to a=20 > node that isC > >> down, the uptimes project won't report a "cluster" up time but ? > >> individual nodes uptime even though functionally, those=20  > solaris boxes : > >> would offer about the same uptime than a VMS cluster. > >=20H > > That service provided would not be the same if the web site involvedF > > updating.  For read-only applications I have an even more reliable. > > technology pre-dating VMS called a "book". >=20H > And why could the above mentioned Solaris system not involve updating?H > I have multiple servers with shared file systems so that any update onF > any system is universal.  I can (and do) do rolling  updates so thatH > system availability is continuous.  There are only two things missing.D > A "cluster uptime" value and thinking it matteried enough to care. >=20  F And could you let us know what happens to the incoming writes when theH system hosting the writes for other systems via the network file sharingB you are talking about has to be rebooted or just plain halts or is powered off?  H Or perhaps you could expand on how each system can do direct IO's to theD storage sub-system without the writes taking the long treck over theG network? Most folks think a DLM is required to do direct IO's from each  system.   F Or perhaps you could expand on how you would shut one entire site downC without telling the end users in a multi-site config and not impact  application availability?   A Here is a pointer to a whitepaper that can refresh readers on the H benefits of clustering and different UNIX implementations as compared to OpenVMS:H http://www.tru64unix.compaq.com/unix/illuminata_dt_unix_research_note.pd f    Thanks,   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.015 ************************