0 INFO-VAX	Sun, 08 Jan 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 16      Contents:' Re: Beginner: nesting DCL command files  Re: HP's strategy explained :  Re: HP's strategy explained :   Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 10:46:30 -0600 . From: Bob Blunt <RobertDOTblunt@digitalDOTcom>0 Subject: Re: Beginner: nesting DCL command files0 Message-ID: <zradnbhoIvHU3FzeRVn-iQ@comcast.com>   Alder wrote: > J > I've added command files to my SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM file to define various C > logicals and symbols and to call other command files that define  E > logicals and symbols.  I know the first level of command files get  E > called, but the second-level command files are not.  Is this to be  G > expected for some reason?  This is OVMS 7.3-2 and I did RTFM.  Did I  . > miss something about nesting DCL procedures? > J > One of the second-level files is the unedited TCPIP$DEFINE_COMMANDS.COM I > shipped with VMS, so I imagine its coding is not the problem.  Another  H > of these second-level command files is the one shipped with SAMBA for J > VMS.  After startup the logicals and symbols (foreign commands) defined C > in these two second-level files remain undefined.  Below are the  # > relevant snippets from the files.  > I > Can anyone help with a pointer on where I went wrong, or what to read?  	 > Thanks.  >  > Terry  >  > SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM  > =================  > ... A > $ DEFINE/SYS/EXEC/TRANS=(CONCEALED)SAMBA_ROOT DISK$NET:[SAMBA.]  > ... ! > $ @SYS$STARTUP:STARTUP_PRODUCTS  >  > , > SYS$STARTUP:STARTUP_PRODUCTS.COM (level 1) > ================== > ... & > $ @SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$DEFINE_COMMANDS# > $ @SAMBA_ROOT:[BIN]SAMBA_COMMANDS  > ...  >  >  > SAMBA_COMMANDS.COM (level 2) > ================== > ... ) > $procedure = f$environment("PROCEDURE")  > $! > $command = "CONVERT_TDB" > $program = "''command'.EXE;0" . > $'command' :== $'f$parse(program,procedure)' > ...   G Per one of the following suggestions, you can investigate your problem  I in more subtle ways than the "set verify" "wrecking ball" approach.  You  F   can either insert a line into each command procedure that writes to G SYS$OUTPUT a brief 'announcement' "Starting module blah-blah."  That's  D easier to debug than the (showing my age here) wading thru boxes of D paper from your LA120 console (or trying to capture the error as it I whizzed by your VT terminal or even less easily stopped graphics head in  I   "console mode").  Granted, some startup command procedure problems are  F so difficult it takes a hammer, but find your problem areas FIRST and ; then enable and disable verify in the problem modules only.   I The second option is to enable "verbose" STDRV by booting conversational  E and setting STARTUP_P2 to "CCC" and you should get a banner from the  I startup process "announcing" each command procedure it calls.  I haven't  F   need this in a while, so I'm not sure if it just produces the first I level of called procedures or if it reliably goes down the tree into the  I nested ones too.  In either case, again, you get data to narrow down the  C problem to a finer level of granularity than setting verify before  G trying to (for example) <CTRL-S>/<CTRL-Q> your way thru that forest of  G output.  $ SEARCH SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.COM for STARTUP_P2 and you should  @ have a better idea what options you can set with it that enable % different levels of verify/verbosity.   H Of course, there's also the possibility that you just need to edit your F procedures and add $ SET NOON to some of them.  In that situation you H should probably have a better idea if you're using "on error" condition 7 handling in those procedures to control program flow...    bob    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 05:43:52 -0500  From: ASAAR <caught@22.com> & Subject: Re: HP's strategy explained :8 Message-ID: <rlq1s1pp4brq9vg7momu0k276ql2f2uhsd@4ax.com>  5 On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 04:16:04 -0600, Ron Hunter wrote:   K > Unions have a valid place in a capitalistic economy, but as soon as they  F > start paying the people who are in charge of the unions, they start C > becoming more interested in how much money they can make, and how I > many perks they can give themselves, rather than in the welfare of the  " > workers they are hired to serve.  C   That's only human nature, don't you think?  If so, it would apply . as well to owners, unless they're inhuman. <g>    L > It is quite a telling fact that clerks who work for a union aren't allowed9 > to be members of a union.  Why do you think that is so?   D   I never heard of that, but assuming it's true, for the same reason@ why companies such as Enron are supposed to have their financial@ reports verified by hiring disinterested, independent accountingB companies to verify their books.  We all know how well that works.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:11:48 -0500" From: "Admin" <charts@charter.net>& Subject: Re: HP's strategy explained :& Message-ID: <tGbwf.23$Qi5.17@fe04.lga>  ) "ASAAR" <caught@22.com> wrote in message  2 news:rlq1s1pp4brq9vg7momu0k276ql2f2uhsd@4ax.com...7 > On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 04:16:04 -0600, Ron Hunter wrote:  > K >> Unions have a valid place in a capitalistic economy, but as soon as they F >> start paying the people who are in charge of the unions, they startD >> becoming more interested in how much money they can make, and howI >> many perks they can give themselves, rather than in the welfare of the # >> workers they are hired to serve.  > 6 I am retired now but I was a union member for 35 years: and served locally as an elected union official. Unions do8 have an important place in a capitalistic economy. There< is no doubt about the better benefits and working conditions6 that unions have brought to not only union members but5 to other workers at companies who will pay comparable - in order to try and avoid union organization.   4 But, in my opinion, unions have gotten away from the; original intent for their existence. Big unions have became 3 big business. They are more concerned about revenue 4 flow from dues than the people in the workplace. Our6 union several years ago switched from dues being based: on a fixed rate per month to a percentage of the earnings.8 This was a major mistake. The union used to be concerned8 about a normal work week of forty hours and required the3 hiring of additional employees when overtime became 8 excessive. But with the percentage of earning, they were5 no longer enforcing the normal working hours but were 4 encouraging overtime because of the increase revenue4 for the union coffers. They got more union dues from. two member working 56 hours than three members1 working forty hours each. The company saved money 9 from not having to pay current and future benefits to one 5 employee and his family. Society lost due to the lost # of one person from being employed.     ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 10:08:07 +0200 4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>) Subject: Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed % Message-ID: <43C0E486.FE06213@hp.com>    VLC User wrote:  > 0 > I guess i didn't make myself clear (my error). > H > On the RZ24L-E, there are jumpers (in addition the SCSI ID) labeled SSH > (off), EP (on) and WS (on).  I could not find info on these jumpers to- > know how to translate them to the ST32171N.  > B > For example, assuming the EP jumper on the RZ24L-E is for EnableH > Parity, does the "on" actually enable (logical assumption) or disable?D > This is the info I could not find (I guess because the drive is so > old).  > G > I'm a bit of a novice user when it comes to VAX hardware, so I'm just H > trying to be careful about how I set things up so I don't fry anything > or whatever. >  > >VLC User wrote: > > I > >> I believe the RZ24-L drive in my VLC is going to die soon (I've been J > >> getting mount verification messages and the error count has been 2 orG > >> more lately when I do a SHO DEV), so I'd like to replace it with a 0 > >> spare Seagate ST32171N I have sitting here. > >>! > >> So, I have two questions ...  > >>2 > >> A) Will a Seagate ST32171N work in a VLC, andK > >> B) If so, what jumper settings on the Seagate ST32171N do I need to be + > >> aware of (besides SCSI ID, of course)?  > >>H > >> I've poked around the Internet trying to find this info, but wasn't > >> able to find anything.  > >> > >> Thanks in advance!  > > 9 > >http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/scsi/st32171n.html  > > 5 > >Gawd... use google with the info you already have!    Just to remind you: D The VLC is supposed to use a RZ23L (approx 1/8 GB) internally and isD limited to 24MB memory, which makes it difficult to use TCPIP in any version above V4.2. B  To use a more normal disk (by today's standard) connect it to theD external SCSI. I've used RZ25's booting VMS V6.2, which IIRC gave no problems --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.016 ************************