0 INFO-VAX	Wed, 11 Jan 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 22      Contents: 64 Bit Support for DCL Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL/ Another "should have been on OpenVMS" theft ... = BACKUP/OVMS/Alpha 7.3-2 - SYSTEM-W-ENDOFVOLUME, end of volume A Re: BACKUP/OVMS/Alpha 7.3-2 - SYSTEM-W-ENDOFVOLUME, end of volume A Re: BACKUP/OVMS/Alpha 7.3-2 - SYSTEM-W-ENDOFVOLUME, end of volume  Boot disk/file Re: Boot disk/file Re: Honeypot stats Re: Honeypot stats Re: Honeypot stats Re: Honeypot stats Re: Honeypot stats6 Re: How to Determine the Preferred Channel for Cluster@ Re: HP C - dup2(file_desc1,file_desc2) question: implicit CLOSE?P Re: Large Amount of Upper Case Alert!!! Re: foreign commands, .com files, and dc7 Re: Licenses in a cluster (nodes know about each other) $ Re: OT: time to market with the 8086$ Re: OT: time to market with the 8086$ Re: OT: time to market with the 8086$ Re: OT: time to market with the 8086 Re: PDPs in the news! & Re: Samba v3 on VMS and HP VMS Roadmap
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 Re: SSH login  Re: Strange SEARCH behaviour Re: Strange SEARCH behaviour Re: Strange SEARCH behaviour  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:19:57 +0100 , From: "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> Subject: 64 Bit Support for DCL 5 Message-ID: <1136967600.803884@proxy.dienste.wien.at>   	 Hi @ all,   I I have to read in a file containing numeric data and to process this data  further J from DCL. Unfortunately, the numeric data may grow beyond the 32-bit limit provided by DCL.  D Is there a way to force DCL to use 64-bit integers in its arithmetic operations? K Since the Alpha architecture (and Itanium as well) provides instructions to H operate with 64 bit data, why DCL can't do this? Or is there another way? to perform 64-bit arithmetic operations within a DCL procedure?   A We are running OpenVMS V7.3-2 on AlphaServers DS25. Upgrade to V8 J would be an option, but only if there is no way to support 64 bit from DCL! in V7, and V8 would support this.   F In addition, is there support to use the F$FAO lexical with the 64-bit% FAO directives (like "!OQ" or "!XI")?   6 MTIA for your answers, and kind greetings from Vienna,   Ferry    --   Ing. Ferry Bolhar % Municipality of Vienna, Department 14  A-1010 Vienna / AUSTRIA  E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.at    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 07:53:09 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) # Subject: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL 3 Message-ID: <YCzLZYDMFjpN@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <1136967600.803884@proxy.dienste.wien.at>, "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> writes:  K > I have to read in a file containing numeric data and to process this data 	 > further L > from DCL. Unfortunately, the numeric data may grow beyond the 32-bit limit > provided by DCL.  * Why wouldn't you use a compiled language ?  F The problem statement seems like "I have to use my car as a submarine, but it keeps leaking".  0 DCL is well designed for running other programs.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 07:59:17 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL 3 Message-ID: <GtxLsASLH4Dj@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <1136967600.803884@proxy.dienste.wien.at>, "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> writes: > Hi @ all,  > K > I have to read in a file containing numeric data and to process this data 	 > further L > from DCL. Unfortunately, the numeric data may grow beyond the 32-bit limit > provided by DCL.  F    You _have_ to process the data in DCL?  Are you sure you can't haveG    some tiny Fortran/C/Macro-32/... program do it for you and run that      from you're DCL script.  >    It would be a fairly short effort to use lib$get_symbol andG    lib$set_symbol to implement a program which accepts numeric strings, .    does the math, and returns numeric strings.  E    Or use C main() args or lib$get_foreign instead of lib$get_symbol.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:18:44 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com># Subject: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL 1 Message-ID: <ol9xf.1447$8Z1.807@news.cpqcorp.net>    Ferry Bolhar wrote:   F > Is there a way to force DCL to use 64-bit integers in its arithmetic
 > operations?     E Given that DCL is written mostly in Macro-32, it is mostly geared to  D using 32-bit integers.  Going through and changing all the ADDLs to G something like EVAX_ADDQ, etc. would be a major undertaking.  It isn't  / as easy as changing a datatype and recompiling.    --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:35:23 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> # Subject: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL ( Message-ID: <ops27xg9dbzgicya@hyrrokkin>  , On 11 Jan 2006 07:59:17 -0600, Bob Koehler  0 <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote:  @ >    It would be a fairly short effort to use lib$get_symbol andI >    lib$set_symbol to implement a program which accepts numeric strings, 0 >    does the math, and returns numeric strings.  F Even better use PL/I (Magwien has a license)  it has richer data typesE supporting scaled fixed decimal of upto 31 digits, which is eqivalent C of more than 90 bit fixed binary.  And has a far more powerful math ? library than other languages.  Here are a couple of recipes you 0 can use to cook up a program to do what you want  ? "Example-PLI Passing a Symbol from a Command File to a Program" @ http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/windows-installation.html  ? "Example-PLI Passing A Symbol From A Program To A Command File" @ http://www.kednos.com/pli_examples/0091a38d-9c725560-1c01e7.html  . Here is a list of supported builtin functions.X http://www.kednos.com/pli/docs/REFERENCE_MANUAL/6291pro_contents_004.html#toc_chapter_11G Don't forget to use the corresponding built in functions instead of the E operators +,-,* and /  to maintain accuracy,  listed in the above URL    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 06:40:54 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com># Subject: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL C Message-ID: <1136990454.247384.182390@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:f > In article <1136967600.803884@proxy.dienste.wien.at>, "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> writes: > M > > I have to read in a file containing numeric data and to process this data  > > further N > > from DCL. Unfortunately, the numeric data may grow beyond the 32-bit limit > > provided by DCL. > , > Why wouldn't you use a compiled language ?  C Maybe he doesn't have one? I was in such a situation when exporting  data from a VAX.   > H > The problem statement seems like "I have to use my car as a submarine, > but it keeps leaking".  D Well, that is taking things to an extreme. I think it's more like "I& have to use my car as a pickup truck".   > 2 > DCL is well designed for running other programs.   If you have them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:56:24 +0000  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> # Subject: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL 3 Message-ID: <dq39r8$2n$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>    Ferry Bolhar wrote:    > Hi @ all,  > K > I have to read in a file containing numeric data and to process this data 	 > further L > from DCL. Unfortunately, the numeric data may grow beyond the 32-bit limit > provided by DCL. > F > Is there a way to force DCL to use 64-bit integers in its arithmetic
 > operations? M > Since the Alpha architecture (and Itanium as well) provides instructions to J > operate with 64 bit data, why DCL can't do this? Or is there another wayA > to perform 64-bit arithmetic operations within a DCL procedure?   C Ferry, you might like to check out ICALC from Hunter Goatley's fine F repository.  See ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/icalc.zip  E Note that it works in double-precision floating point, but it *might* E be suitable for you, depending on how much beyond the 32-bitness your  integer data go.  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 11:42:23 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) # Subject: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL 3 Message-ID: <Zt+dwntQbCdM@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <1136990454.247384.182390@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote:g >> In article <1136967600.803884@proxy.dienste.wien.at>, "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> writes:  >>N >> > I have to read in a file containing numeric data and to process this data >> > furtherO >> > from DCL. Unfortunately, the numeric data may grow beyond the 32-bit limit  >> > provided by DCL.  >>- >> Why wouldn't you use a compiled language ?  > E > Maybe he doesn't have one? I was in such a situation when exporting  > data from a VAX.  9 Unless he is going to VMS, perhaps we should not help :-)   I But how about whatever 64-bit integer compiled language was used on VAX ?   I >> The problem statement seems like "I have to use my car as a submarine,  >> but it keeps leaking".  > F > Well, that is taking things to an extreme. I think it's more like "I( > have to use my car as a pickup truck".  9 How about I have to use my VW bug to tow a 70 foot boat ?    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 09:59:26 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com># Subject: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL A Message-ID: <1137002366.352015.8570@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:l > In article <1136990454.247384.182390@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: > >  > > Larry Kilgallen wrote:i > >> In article <1136967600.803884@proxy.dienste.wien.at>, "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> writes:  > >>P > >> > I have to read in a file containing numeric data and to process this data > >> > furtherQ > >> > from DCL. Unfortunately, the numeric data may grow beyond the 32-bit limit  > >> > provided by DCL.  > >>/ > >> Why wouldn't you use a compiled language ?  > > G > > Maybe he doesn't have one? I was in such a situation when exporting  > > data from a VAX. > ; > Unless he is going to VMS, perhaps we should not help :-)  > K > But how about whatever 64-bit integer compiled language was used on VAX ?    ???    > K > >> The problem statement seems like "I have to use my car as a submarine,  > >> but it keeps leaking".  > > H > > Well, that is taking things to an extreme. I think it's more like "I* > > have to use my car as a pickup truck". > ; > How about I have to use my VW bug to tow a 70 foot boat ?   G Much better. But your original is funnier. :-)  Yeah, I was nitpicking. % Sorry. I like funny better after all!    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 06:37:44 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com 8 Subject: Another "should have been on OpenVMS" theft ...B Message-ID: <1136990264.731927.77040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  Q http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/story/0,10801,107638,00.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:21:32 +0300 N From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <zzLaishev@zzDeltaTelecom.RU-remove.all-zz-to-reply>F Subject: BACKUP/OVMS/Alpha 7.3-2 - SYSTEM-W-ENDOFVOLUME, end of volume3 Message-ID: <7199E21FEB93E536D2A93C36FB658820@nntp>    Hi All!   P 	I discovered some strange behaviour of the VMS BACKUP (OVMS/Alpha 7.3-2),  see  please some protocol:     H I inserted a blank tape (MSL 6000 series/Utltrium-2 connected to a SAN):   $ mount /for $2$MGA2: . %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED,  mounted on _$2$MGA2: (DTV1)B $ back/ignore=label sys$login:*.com $2$MGA2:zz.bck /save /veri/logM %BACKUP-F-LABELERR, error in tape label processing on $2$MGA2:[000000]ZZ.BCK; $ -SYSTEM-W-ENDOFVOLUME, end of volume $ dism $2$MGA2: /nounload    $ init $2$MGA2: xx $ mount /for $2$MGA2: 0 %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, XX mounted on _$2$MGA2: (DTV1)B $ back/ignore=label sys$login:*.com $2$MGA2:zz.bck /save /veri/log? %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]COMPILE_MSG.COM;2 : %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]DDCMP.COM;17? %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]FAX_RESTART.COM;9 G %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]GFAX_QUEUE_RESTART.COM;22 : %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]LOGIN.COM;74; %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]MANSRV.COM;17 7 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]MXC.COM;8 B %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]RSUBMIT_CLIENT.COM;3B %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]RSUBMIT_SERVER.COM;2L %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]UCX$BOOTP_CLIENT_STARTUP.COM;8@ %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]WWW$DISMOUNT.COM;86 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]ZZ.COM;31 %BACKUP-I-STARTVERIFY, starting verification pass C %BACKUP-S-COMPARED, compared DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]COMPILE_MSG.COM;2 > %BACKUP-S-COMPARED, compared DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]DDCMP.COM;17C %BACKUP-S-COMPARED, compared DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]FAX_RESTART.COM;9 K %BACKUP-S-COMPARED, compared DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]GFAX_QUEUE_RESTART.COM;22 > %BACKUP-S-COMPARED, compared DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]LOGIN.COM;74? %BACKUP-S-COMPARED, compared DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]MANSRV.COM;17 ; %BACKUP-S-COMPARED, compared DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]MXC.COM;8 F %BACKUP-S-COMPARED, compared DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]RSUBMIT_CLIENT.COM;3F %BACKUP-S-COMPARED, compared DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]RSUBMIT_SERVER.COM;2P %BACKUP-S-COMPARED, compared DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]UCX$BOOTP_CLIENT_STARTUP.COM;8D %BACKUP-S-COMPARED, compared DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]WWW$DISMOUNT.COM;8: %BACKUP-S-COMPARED, compared DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]ZZ.COM;3 $ reca dism   G 	So is this behaviour is expected and right (I meant that tape must be  1 initialized firstly before any BACKUP operation)?    	Thanks in advance.    --  F + WBR, OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker ............. Skype: SysMan-One  +9 Delta Telecom JSC, IMT-MC-450(CDMA2000) cellular operator E Russia,191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3 Cel: +7 (812) 716-3222 F +http://starlet.deltatelecom.ru ............. Frying on OpenVMS only +   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 08:49:03 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>J Subject: Re: BACKUP/OVMS/Alpha 7.3-2 - SYSTEM-W-ENDOFVOLUME, end of volumeB Message-ID: <1136998143.018882.36230@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Ruslan R. Laishev wrote:	 > Hi All!  > Q > 	I discovered some strange behaviour of the VMS BACKUP (OVMS/Alpha 7.3-2),  see  > please some protocol:  >  > J > I inserted a blank tape (MSL 6000 series/Utltrium-2 connected to a SAN): >  > $ mount /for $2$MGA2: 0 > %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED,  mounted on _$2$MGA2: (DTV1)D > $ back/ignore=label sys$login:*.com $2$MGA2:zz.bck /save /veri/logO > %BACKUP-F-LABELERR, error in tape label processing on $2$MGA2:[000000]ZZ.BCK; & > -SYSTEM-W-ENDOFVOLUME, end of volume > $ dism $2$MGA2: /nounload  >  > $ init $2$MGA2: xx > $ mount /for $2$MGA2: 2 > %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, XX mounted on _$2$MGA2: (DTV1)D > $ back/ignore=label sys$login:*.com $2$MGA2:zz.bck /save /veri/logA > %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]COMPILE_MSG.COM;2 < > %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]DDCMP.COM;17   [...]    > H > 	So is this behaviour is expected and right (I meant that tape must be3 > initialized firstly before any BACKUP operation)?  >   E Yes, the tape must be initialized. You could initialize the tape with G BACKUP by using its /REWIND qualifier specifying the new label with the B /LABEL qualifier. Add /IGNORE=LABEL to avoid being asked about theC label "mismatch". (You'll get this mismatch if you change the label A name from that currently on the tape or if you use a blank tape.)   D Note that the INITIALIZE command offers more initialization options.     [...]    AEF    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:13:41 -0500 - From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> J Subject: Re: BACKUP/OVMS/Alpha 7.3-2 - SYSTEM-W-ENDOFVOLUME, end of volumeI Message-ID: <8660a3a10601110913x5b959ac2k319f21bbb7f3b32e@mail.gmail.com>    On 1/11/06, Ruslan R. Laishev ; <zzLaishev@zzdeltatelecom.ru-remove.all-zz-to-reply> wrote: 	 > Hi All!  > L >        I discovered some strange behaviour of the VMS BACKUP (OVMS/Alpha = 7.3-2),  see > please some protocol:  >  > J > I inserted a blank tape (MSL 6000 series/Utltrium-2 connected to a SAN): >  > $ mount /for $2$MGA2: 0 > %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED,  mounted on _$2$MGA2: (DTV1)F > $ back/ignore=3Dlabel sys$login:*.com $2$MGA2:zz.bck /save /veri/logL > %BACKUP-F-LABELERR, error in tape label processing on $2$MGA2:[000000]ZZ.= BCK;& > -SYSTEM-W-ENDOFVOLUME, end of volume > $ dism $2$MGA2: /nounload  >  > $ init $2$MGA2: xx > $ mount /for $2$MGA2: 2 > %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, XX mounted on _$2$MGA2: (DTV1)F > $ back/ignore=3Dlabel sys$login:*.com $2$MGA2:zz.bck /save /veri/logA > %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]COMPILE_MSG.COM;2 < > %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]DDCMP.COM;17A > %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]FAX_RESTART.COM;9 I > %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]GFAX_QUEUE_RESTART.COM;22 < > %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]LOGIN.COM;74= > %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]MANSRV.COM;17 9 > %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]MXC.COM;8 D > %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]RSUBMIT_CLIENT.COM;3D > %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]RSUBMIT_SERVER.COM;2L > %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]UCX$BOOTP_CLIENT_STARTUP.CO= M;8 B > %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]WWW$DISMOUNT.COM;88 > %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]ZZ.COM;33 > %BACKUP-I-STARTVERIFY, starting verification pass E > %BACKUP-S-COMPARED, compared DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]COMPILE_MSG.COM;2 @ > %BACKUP-S-COMPARED, compared DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]DDCMP.COM;17E > %BACKUP-S-COMPARED, compared DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]FAX_RESTART.COM;9 L > %BACKUP-S-COMPARED, compared DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]GFAX_QUEUE_RESTART.COM;= 22@ > %BACKUP-S-COMPARED, compared DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]LOGIN.COM;74A > %BACKUP-S-COMPARED, compared DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]MANSRV.COM;17 = > %BACKUP-S-COMPARED, compared DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]MXC.COM;8 H > %BACKUP-S-COMPARED, compared DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]RSUBMIT_CLIENT.COM;3H > %BACKUP-S-COMPARED, compared DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]RSUBMIT_SERVER.COM;2L > %BACKUP-S-COMPARED, compared DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]UCX$BOOTP_CLIENT_STARTU= P.COM;8 F > %BACKUP-S-COMPARED, compared DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]WWW$DISMOUNT.COM;8< > %BACKUP-S-COMPARED, compared DISK$SYSMAN:[LAISHEV]ZZ.COM;3
 > $ reca dism  > L >        So is this behaviour is expected and right (I meant that tape must=  be 3 > initialized firstly before any BACKUP operation)?  >  >        Thanks in advance.  >  > --H > + WBR, OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker ............. Skype: SysMan-One  +; > Delta Telecom JSC, IMT-MC-450(CDMA2000) cellular operator G > Russia,191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3 Cel: +7 (812) 716-3222 H > +http://starlet.deltatelecom.ru ............. Frying on OpenVMS only + >  >  Yes and no-   - That's a funny combination of things you did.   < You told it to ignore the volume label on an unlabeled tape.   See the message:  /  %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED,  mounted on _$2$MGA2: (DTV1)   8 There's nothing between the "MOUNTED," and the "mounted"  + but in this message, the label XX is shown.   2 > %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, XX mounted on _$2$MGA2: (DTV1)  ' There are three things that can happen.   @ 1.  If you don't specify a label, and don't use /IGNORE=3DLABEL,? BACKUP will label the tape with the first six characters of the C saveset name.  If it's a continuation volume, BACKUP will label the A tape with the first four characters of the previous volume plus a  sequence number 02, 03, etc.  H 2.  If the tape is labeled and you don't specify /IGNORE=3DLABEL, backup, will complain about a volume label mismatch.  H 3.  If the tape is labeled and you use /IGNORE=3DLABEL, BACKUP will backD up savesets to tape and not try to write a label or complain about a	 mismatch.   D Frequently DLTs in tape libraries are initialized with a label whichC matches the bar code on a label inserted in the slot on the face of F the DLT, and it's desirable for a number of reasons to keep the two inF sequence as that tends to keep the robot and the tape library software from getting confused.  C In that instance, a DLT with a different volume label is bount to a @ volumeset named for the first DLT volume label in the volumeset.  
 Dobriy Dyien!    WWWebb   --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:35:14 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Boot disk/file ( Message-ID: <ops27200j9zgicya@hyrrokkin>  4 If you make a copy of the VMS distribution CD using,6 say dd on a unix box you end up with a file from which8 you could burn a CD and install VMS from that.  Is there; a way to do it form the file itself, assuming you have only 9 an SRM prompt?  Second question could it be combined with  SIMH to bot VMS?   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 18:31:36 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: Boot disk/file * Message-ID: <43c54f08@news.langstoeger.at>  N In article <ops27200j9zgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:5 >If you make a copy of the VMS distribution CD using, 7 >say dd on a unix box you end up with a file from which 9 >you could burn a CD and install VMS from that.  Is there < >a way to do it form the file itself, assuming you have only: >an SRM prompt?  Second question could it be combined with >SIMH to bot VMS?   L No. But you could use LD devices (freeware LD V8.0 on VMS V7.3-2 and before;J LD integrated in VMS V8.2 and up) to BACKUP/IMAGE the content of this fileH by interpreting it as a virtual disk (LDAx:) to a real (maybe temporary)@ SCSI (or FC) disk where you then can boot from. At least Alphas.  F And yes, I think (but have neither tried CHARON nor SIMH) that you can2 use this file as a disk for the emulator directly.   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:44:52 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Honeypot stats , Message-ID: <43C4A962.71BBF40B@teksavvy.com>   Neil Rieck wrote: @ > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in messageJ > > On the contrary, VMS has had numerous and significant new features and& > > capabilities added over the years,  L > I agree. In fact, the whole feel of OpenVMS seemed to change between 7.3-1 > and 7.3-2.    A Did VMS get Instant Messaging ?  Does it have Kazaa and other P2P D clients ?  Consider that they can't even properly integrate the timeF setting sofware on VMS, they are a long way from matching the featuresA that have been added to MAC OS-X and Windows. VMS doesn't support > cameras, and it doesn't even support sound on that IA64 thing.  F VMS lacks the real Adobe Acrobat reader, lacks Flash client. Lacks all$ the modern office software etc etc.   F When you look at all the holes in Windows, they are usually due to new0 features that provide user level functionality.   E VMS's new features are more "back office" related, adding support for > better clustering etc. It doesn't open new ports that make VMST vulnerable. Heck, the standard mail client in VMS doesn't even support attachements.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:59:49 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: Honeypot stats 9 Message-ID: <Yi7xf.7934$W03.474595@news20.bellglobal.com>   ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:43C4A962.71BBF40B@teksavvy.com... > Neil Rieck wrote:  [...snip...] >  > C > Did VMS get Instant Messaging ?  Does it have Kazaa and other P2P F > clients ?  Consider that they can't even properly integrate the timeH > setting sofware on VMS, they are a long way from matching the featuresC > that have been added to MAC OS-X and Windows. VMS doesn't support @ > cameras, and it doesn't even support sound on that IA64 thing. > H > VMS lacks the real Adobe Acrobat reader, lacks Flash client. Lacks all% > the modern office software etc etc.  > H > When you look at all the holes in Windows, they are usually due to new1 > features that provide user level functionality.  > G > VMS's new features are more "back office" related, adding support for @ > better clustering etc. It doesn't open new ports that make VMSI > vulnerable. Heck, the standard mail client in VMS doesn't even support   > attachements.  >   F I think you'd agree that "if the addition of new applications exposes F security problems, then the OS wasn't very secure in the first place".  H In the case of OpenVMS, security in this OS had its beginnings in other K multi-user and multi-tasking operating systems that go back to timesharing   systems of the 1950s and 1960s.   ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-sharing   I I remember my fist official RSX-11/M training at DEC in Kanata, Ontario.  J Security and memory management protection where explained like this: "The M computer science field was just taking off and many people were learning how  D to program for the first time in all kinds of stuff including Macro K assembler. Engineers went to great lengths to make sure that a user-caused  D software crash in one student's work space did not affect any other F workspace including those owned by the Operating System (provided the H student wasn't running in kernel mode etc.)". They even went further to L state that software development was safe on just about any platform because  of this built-in protection"  F Although MS has made quite a few changes to their various versions of D Windows, they haven't come anywhere close to the kind of protection B robustness I just described. So although it is true that personal I productivity software associated with Windows had not yet been ported to  L OpenVMS, doing so would not have the same effect on OpenVMS that it does on  Windows.  H p.s. You should read the official disclaimer for installing Apache on a H Windows machine. I'll try to find the exact quote sometime today but it K basically states that "for Apache to work properly it must be installed on  K an OS with proper built-in security". Then it continues "Apache on Windows  D is for demonstration use only and might not ever be totally secure."  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 07:50:52 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Honeypot stats 3 Message-ID: <scp2GzrfdunO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <43C4A962.71BBF40B@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Neil Rieck wrote: A >> "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message K >> > On the contrary, VMS has had numerous and significant new features and ' >> > capabilities added over the years,  > M >> I agree. In fact, the whole feel of OpenVMS seemed to change between 7.3-1 
 >> and 7.3-2.  >  > C > Did VMS get Instant Messaging ?  Does it have Kazaa and other P2P F > clients ?  Consider that they can't even properly integrate the timeH > setting sofware on VMS, they are a long way from matching the featuresC > that have been added to MAC OS-X and Windows. VMS doesn't support @ > cameras, and it doesn't even support sound on that IA64 thing. > H > VMS lacks the real Adobe Acrobat reader, lacks Flash client. Lacks all& > the modern office software etc etc.   D Which operating systems (as distinguished from applications) containA Adobe Acrobat reader, Flash client and "modern office software" ?   H > When you look at all the holes in Windows, they are usually due to new2 > features that provide user level functionality.  > G > VMS's new features are more "back office" related, adding support for @ > better clustering etc. It doesn't open new ports that make VMSV > vulnerable. Heck, the standard mail client in VMS doesn't even support attachements.  ; Certainly it does !   SEND/FOREIGN works just fine in mail.   B As for "open new ports", that vulnerability is a characteristic ofD TCP/IP where unprivileged users can set up a port to accept incomingG connections without authorization.  On DECnet adding some corresponding ! vulnerability requires privilege.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:53:30 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: Honeypot stats , Message-ID: <42kkfbF1jelasU1@individual.net>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:^ > In article <43C4A962.71BBF40B@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >   G >>VMS's new features are more "back office" related, adding support for @ >>better clustering etc. It doesn't open new ports that make VMSH >>vulnerable. Heck, the standard mail client in VMS doesn't even support  >>attachements. >  > = > Certainly it does !   SEND/FOREIGN works just fine in mail.  >   ) Where is SEND/FOREIGN in mail documented?    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 11:39:56 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Honeypot stats 3 Message-ID: <aNswnWMAQQte@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <1136991473.988966.257210@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> writes:  , >> Where is SEND/FOREIGN in mail documented?  ( Perhaps in the ALL-IN-ONE documentation.  < > AFAIK It isn't - its a well known undocumented feature :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:26:25 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> ? Subject: Re: How to Determine the Preferred Channel for Cluster 2 Message-ID: <l5cxf.1457$d02.1034@news.cpqcorp.net>   Hal Kuff wrote: C > Suppose one wanted to check it via a dcl procedure and make sure  N > the SCA traffic had not failed over to another interface used for Decent or 2 > IP where a system has multiple fast ethernets...  G Note that since 7.3 there is no longer a single "preferred channel" on  C the LAN for transmitting to a given remote node, but an Equivalent  G Channel Set (ECS) selected by PEDRIVER, which can be multiple channels   at once, for greater capacity.  F SCACP displays can show all the relevant info, but to easily view the A current (cluster-wide) ECS selections using a DCL procedure, use  B SHOW_PATHS_ECS.COM from directory [KP_CLUSTERTOOLS] of the VMS V6 K Freeware CD: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware60/kp_clustertools/    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 01:35:37 -08001 From: "Uli Bellgardt" <uli_bellgardt@hotmail.com> I Subject: Re: HP C - dup2(file_desc1,file_desc2) question: implicit CLOSE? B Message-ID: <1136972137.324524.65990@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Craig A. Berry schrieb: C > Without seeing your code, it's impossible to know exactly what is 0 > happening, but there are some things to check. >    See a minimum reproducer below  I > Are you checking return (and, if necessary, errno) values after calling 3 > dup2?  If the call fails, the file is not closed.  >    The return value == file_desc2  H > Do you know for certain, that file_desc1 and file_desc2 are not equal?& > If they are, the file is not closed. >   E They are not equal. However, that behaviour is documented in the link 5 you posted, but not in the HP C RTL reference manual.   C > You could try the fcntl equivalent and see if the behavior is any ; > different.  The full description of the function is here:  > B > http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/dup.html  A I tried this. It is not exactly the same. In particular, the file F descriptors are equal after the fcntl operation. The overall effect is8 the same: files are not closed before the program exits.  8 Thanks for the time you spent thinking about my problem.   -Uli Bellgardt.   2 //================================================5 //Here comes the reproducer for my problem, C or CXX: 2 //================================================ #include <stdio.h> #include <unistd.h>    int main(void) {   
    int ii;    int retval;      FILE * fp  = 0;    int  fd1, fd2;   :    for  (ii = 1; ii<= 10; ii++)    // open 10 output files    {)      char *filename = "testing_Dup2.txt";        fp = fopen (filename, "w");      fd1 = fileno(fp);      fd2 = fileno(stdout);      retval = dup2 (fd1, fd2);      fprintf (stdoutG               ,"This is in file no. %d.    fd1=%d, fd2=%d, retval=%d\n" $               , ii, fd1,fd2,retval);8 //   THIS FCLOSE FIXES IT ALL     if   (fp) fclose (fp);    }  ?    // print to stderr to see next line on terminal, not in file ;    fprintf (stderr, "Now look at the open files (sda)...\n" 0                     "Type anything to finish:");    fscanf (stdin,"%d", &ii);    return 0; }    // Once again, Thanks.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 01:19:34 -0800 From: comp.os.vms@hotmail.com Y Subject: Re: Large Amount of Upper Case Alert!!! Re: foreign commands, .com files, and dc C Message-ID: <1136971174.751749.327340@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   G Actually, I am accessing via Google groups and there ia a "Large Amount * of Upper Case Alert!!! for your post - lol   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:14:42 +0200 7 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_header@hp.com> @ Subject: Re: Licenses in a cluster (nodes know about each other), Message-ID: <43c520e5$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  6 "Alfred Falk" <falk@arc.REMOVE.ab.ca> wrote in message3 news:Xns97477D2D54524falkarcabca@198.161.157.145... 2 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in& > news:43C38BC0.15BF9C02@teksavvy.com: > F > > I had been told that when you have 2 systems with different systemC > > disks and different license databases, the licenses are totally F > > independant. My experience seems to indicate this is not the case. > D > I was told many years ago just the opposite.  If you have multipleH > LMF$LICENSE.LDB files, each needs to contain all the licenses requiredH > on all nodes.  This is easier if all the files are actually identical.F > And its even easier just to have one file: In SYLOGICALS.COM add the > lineA >     $ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC LMF$LICENSE drive:[dir]LMF$LICENSE.LDB  > E > > My *guess* is that each node takes out clusterwide locks for each J > > licence it has loaded indicating how many units it has consumed. (this1 > > key is (or contains) the authorisation number    Correct ! (almost...)   ? A resource is created for each PAK, usage is tracked by locking  the resource   Guy # (being a little cryptic on purpose)    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:55:27 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>- Subject: Re: OT: time to market with the 8086 > Message-ID: <Pm6xf.116188$vl2.37860@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Found this neat tidbit today:  > ##D > The day Apple intros Intel-based Macs, its stock closes at $80.86.( > That's a magic number for chip geeks.  > ##  C Spooky! "Apple Computer, Inc.(NASDAQ NM:AAPL) 80.86	+4.81 / +6.32%"   H And now we have Apple marketing joining in the implied Itanium bashing: I "Powered by the most advanced Intel chip, your new Mac will do all those  D things that only Macs can do  and do so at an astonishing level of G performance. Intel Core Duo is the next generation in processor design  % from the worlds leading chip maker."   H The dual core iMac comes in at about $1,300. I wonder how much you need I to spend to get an equivalent (benchmark-wise) 2-way SMP Itanium system.  G And Apple intend to ship a 4-way SMP (2 dual core chips) version later  H this year. In fairness HP/Intel should have Montecito by then I suppose. --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 07:52:35 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - Subject: Re: OT: time to market with the 8086 3 Message-ID: <WGTW0BOq2T+6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <43C435FC.80407A3C@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > J > But when you consider the number of VAX sites still out there, providingJ > a cheap and safe alternative would be very neat if the emulator were VMSJ > based because it would be a more politically correct way to upgrade from  > VAX to a more modern platform.  +    There is a Charon-VAX for OpenVMS Alpha.   F    But it is extreemly limited compard to what is offered for Windows.  >    IT managers can be so confused about what they really need.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:49:00 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>- Subject: Re: OT: time to market with the 8086 / Message-ID: <43C4D48C.26882.1D4A40F1@localhost>   * On 11 Jan 2006 at 7:52, Bob Koehler wrote:- >    There is a Charon-VAX for OpenVMS Alpha. H >    But it is extreemly limited compard to what is offered for Windows.  F Actually, the latest product series emulates VAX 6610 through 6660 (6 > processor SMP), and is available for both Windows *and* Alpha.  .    http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html#CV6000    @ >    IT managers can be so confused about what they really need.  ? That's part of my job [Shameless Plug Alert (tm)] -- but it is  . usually "upper management" that wants Windows.  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:48:34 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> - Subject: Re: OT: time to market with the 8086 ( Message-ID: <ops27x28mvzgicya@hyrrokkin>  7 On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:49:00 -0500, Stanley F. Quayle    <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote:   G > Actually, the latest product series emulates VAX 6610 through 6660 (6 @ > processor SMP), and is available for both Windows *and* Alpha.  = I am aware of quad boards, e.g., Tynan, who makes Hex boards?    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 10:15:19 -0800 From: shoppa@trailing-edge.com Subject: Re: PDPs in the news!C Message-ID: <1137003319.372844.101240@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Alan Greig wrote: . > > PDP Planet is at http://www.pdpplanet.com/ >  > E > The links don't work because they make gratuitous use of javascript * > instead of a simple <a href   statement. > E > And the front page has over 28 HTML errors. Obviously designed by a  > microsoft person/software.  C I cringe when I see Paul Allen's other sites (e.g. www.vulcan.com).  It's the sort of= trendy web design that I associate with 1999 or 2000, lots of  gratuitous use of C plug-ins and very little actual content. Actually there may be much  content it's just D that I give up in disgust before ever figuring out how to get there.  2 www.pdpplanet.com is not bad at all in comparison.   Tim.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 07:50:37 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) / Subject: Re: Samba v3 on VMS and HP VMS Roadmap 3 Message-ID: <h9jO1PSkncIo@eisner.encompasserve.org>   G In article <dq1obu0reh@enews2.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes:  > K > Something I'd like to see is it tested with Mac OS X.  Last I'd heard, no / > one has gotten Mac OS X to access VMS via NFS   F   I've accessed Multinet NFS sevices via Mac OS X since OS 10.1 (years3   ago).  And I've mentioned it right here in c.o.v.    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 01:59:47 -0800- From: "dickon champion" <d.champion@rl.ac.uk>  Subject: Re: SSH loginC Message-ID: <1136973587.268507.150800@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   G i posted sthg about the ssh password and expiry being fixed using putty   - you must have the most up to date ECO patches   P http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_thread/thread/1db185a255de7f8f     Tom Linden wrote: A > tcpip 5.4 on 7.3  added a new user account, but unable to login = > via ssh, can do so with telent or set host.  I don't recall ; > having done anything specific before to enable ssh login.  > Clues? > Tom    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:36:04 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: SSH login( Message-ID: <ops27uqernzgicya@hyrrokkin>  K On 11 Jan 2006 01:59:47 -0800, dickon champion <d.champion@rl.ac.uk> wrote:   I > i posted sthg about the ssh password and expiry being fixed using putty  > / > you must have the most up to date ECO patches  > R > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_thread/thread/1db185a255de7f8f >  >  > Tom Linden wrote: B >> tcpip 5.4 on 7.3  added a new user account, but unable to login> >> via ssh, can do so with telent or set host.  I don't recall< >> having done anything specific before to enable ssh login.	 >> Clues?  >> Tom > G Thanks,  I will update when it becomes version 0.59.  Meanwhile problem > solved by logging in locally on console and changing password. Tom    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 01:02:08 -0800 From: comp.os.vms@hotmail.com % Subject: Re: Strange SEARCH behaviour C Message-ID: <1136970128.548642.210310@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   F I fail to see the relevance, since I did say that this did not seem to: be a general case.  However, here is the local definition.  > DIR*ECTORY == "DIRECTORY/SIZE/DATE/WIDTH=(FILENAME=32,SIZE=7)"  C And before you all jump on me, I am not the clown who made this the  default for all users.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 01:09:36 -0800 From: comp.os.vms@hotmail.com % Subject: Re: Strange SEARCH behaviour C Message-ID: <1136970576.475067.324150@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   D There are > 1 files which meet the date selection criteria (shown byF the DIR command), I am expecting to search the most recent within this range.  D The unusual behaviour is the "%SEARCH-E-NOFILE, no file found " when the /before qualifier is used.  " This is OpenVMS V7.3-1 by the way.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 06:29:34 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>% Subject: Re: Strange SEARCH behaviour B Message-ID: <1136989774.878581.47250@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   comp.os.vms@hotmail.com wrote:H > I fail to see the relevance, since I did say that this did not seem to< > be a general case.  However, here is the local definition. > @ > DIR*ECTORY == "DIRECTORY/SIZE/DATE/WIDTH=(FILENAME=32,SIZE=7)"  D It could have been relevant depending on the specifics of your site,G about which I have no idea. In particular, it could have been that your F file-access patterns and volume retention times could have resulted in& a problem only in certain directories.  @ Anyway, was David's answer about different wildcard defaults forG different commands the answer to your problem? I suspect that to be the " most likely cause of your problem.   [...]    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.022 ************************