0 INFO-VAX	Thu, 12 Jan 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 23      Contents: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL Alpha last order date A Re: BACKUP/OVMS/Alpha 7.3-2 - SYSTEM-W-ENDOFVOLUME, end of volume  Re: Boot disk/file C++ v. LIB$INITIALIZE  Re: C++ v. LIB$INITIALIZE  Re: C++ v. LIB$INITIALIZE 6 Re: Dave Cutler (was OT: time to market with the 8086)6 Re: Dave Cutler (was OT: time to market with the 8086) Re: Honeypot stats Re: Honeypot stats Re: Honeypot stats Re: Honeypot stats Re: Honeypot stats Re: Honeypot stats Re: Honeypot stats Re: Honeypot stats Re: Honeypot stats7 Re: Licenses in a cluster (nodes know about each other)  Re: OpenVMS 7.2 boot problems  OSX using VMS NFS  Re: OSX using VMS NFS  Re: OSX using VMS NFS  Re: OSX using VMS NFS $ Re: OT: time to market with the 8086$ Re: OT: time to market with the 8086$ Re: OT: time to market with the 8086$ Re: OT: time to market with the 8086$ Re: OT: time to market with the 8086$ Re: OT: time to market with the 8086$ Re: OT: time to market with the 8086 Re: PDPs in the news!  Re: PDPs in the news! & Re: Samba v3 on VMS and HP VMS Roadmap& Re: Samba v3 on VMS and HP VMS Roadmap& Re: Samba v3 on VMS and HP VMS Roadmap sho proc/mem Re: sho proc/mem Re: sho proc/mem
 Re: SSH login  Re: Strange SEARCH behaviour. unable to stop the C compiler from complaining  Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed  Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed  Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed VMS toll free numbers   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 15:22:06 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) # Subject: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL 3 Message-ID: <o8UnwUwNkLdC@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <1137002366.352015.8570@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote:  L >> But how about whatever 64-bit integer compiled language was used on VAX ? >  > ???    He got the data there somehow.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 14:01:12 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com># Subject: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL B Message-ID: <1137015598.784407.78450@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:j > In article <1137002366.352015.8570@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: > >  > > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > N > >> But how about whatever 64-bit integer compiled language was used on VAX ? > >  > > ???  >   > He got the data there somehow.    3 FTP from another system which he has no account on?    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 15:57:03 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL 3 Message-ID: <rN$AuAOQ$Vx0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <1136990454.247384.182390@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote:g >> In article <1136967600.803884@proxy.dienste.wien.at>, "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> writes:  >>N >> > I have to read in a file containing numeric data and to process this data >> > furtherO >> > from DCL. Unfortunately, the numeric data may grow beyond the 32-bit limit  >> > provided by DCL.  >>- >> Why wouldn't you use a compiled language ?  > E > Maybe he doesn't have one? I was in such a situation when exporting  > data from a VAX. >   C    He should have Macro-32.  While that's not the most trivial high C    level language to work in, the problem is so small as to make it     readily workable.  G    And since the debut of Alpha, it _is_ a compiled language (although      not such on his VAX).   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:15:01 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Alpha last order date, Message-ID: <43C5AD7E.657E49D3@teksavvy.com>  F In case you need some official statement from HP about last order date for Alphas, it is at:   7 http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/planning2005.html   B October 27 2006. But It does say that options and upgrades will be available until Nov 2 2007.   E (So if you have a DS10 and want to upgrade to an ES40, does this mean G that you have until Nov 2 2007, or do upgrades refer only to in-cabinet 
 board swaps ?    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 16:04:28 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) J Subject: Re: BACKUP/OVMS/Alpha 7.3-2 - SYSTEM-W-ENDOFVOLUME, end of volume3 Message-ID: <MqOZW2+c7tkJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <7199E21FEB93E536D2A93C36FB658820@nntp>, "Ruslan R. Laishev" <zzLaishev@zzDeltaTelecom.RU-remove.all-zz-to-reply> writes: > J > I inserted a blank tape (MSL 6000 series/Utltrium-2 connected to a SAN): >  > $ mount /for $2$MGA2: 0 > %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED,  mounted on _$2$MGA2: (DTV1)D > $ back/ignore=label sys$login:*.com $2$MGA2:zz.bck /save /veri/logO > %BACKUP-F-LABELERR, error in tape label processing on $2$MGA2:[000000]ZZ.BCK; & > -SYSTEM-W-ENDOFVOLUME, end of volume > $ dism $2$MGA2: /nounload  >   F    Looks like, instead of blank, there is a double-EOF at the start of    the tape.  D    Use /rewind any time you want to be sure BACKUP will initialize a    tape.  '    Or, as you did, initialize it first.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:32:50 +0100 3 From: Wilm Boerhout <w4OLD.boerhout@PAINTplanet.nl>  Subject: Re: Boot disk/file 6 Message-ID: <43c54f52$0$14130$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl>  6 Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER mailde op 11-1-2006 18:31... [...] H > And yes, I think (but have neither tried CHARON nor SIMH) that you can4 > use this file as a disk for the emulator directly.  E LD disk format is definitely compatible with CHARON-VAX virtual disk  G format (both on Windows and on Alpha host). It is also compatible with  F SIMH disk format, although the size options for disks created by SIMH B make it awkward to wind up with exactly the size of, say, an RZ28.   Wilm   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:12:43 -0600 (CST) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: C++ v. LIB$INITIALIZE2 Message-ID: <06011115124309_20331674@antinode.org>  >    Having mastered (or at least stumbled through) the use of aA LIB$INITIALIZE PSECT in a C program to do a bunch of decc$feature H initialization, I tried to do the same thing in C++, but it seems not to work as expected.   F    The LINK map shows a LIB$INITIALIZE PSECT with a lot of stuff in itD (none of it mine), and the C++ compiler user guide says, "On OpenVMSE systems, the compiler uses the lib$initialize mechanism to initialize  nonlocal static objects."   H    From this I'm getting the impression that I can't supply my own whole: LIB$INITIALIZE PSECT, but is there any other way to get myG initialization function called during the LIB$INITIALIZE phase in a C++  program?  Or am I just doomed?  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 13:53:49 -08003 From: "Joshua Lehrer" <usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com> " Subject: Re: C++ v. LIB$INITIALIZEC Message-ID: <1137016429.475549.228580@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   1 You can use a global object and it's constructor:    struct MyInitializer {  MyInitializer() {     //do your initialization here  } };   namespace { %  const MyInitializer g_myInitializer;  }   ! int main(int argc, char **argv) {  }   
 joshua lehrer    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:05:39 -0600 (CST) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)" Subject: Re: C++ v. LIB$INITIALIZE2 Message-ID: <06011117053980_20331674@antinode.org>  3 From: "Joshua Lehrer" <usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com> B               ^^^^^^--- (Unusually appropriate name in this case.)  3 > You can use a global object and it's constructor:  > [...]   F    Right you are.  If I knew more than hardly anything about C++, thisG might have occurred to me (as that must be what's already occupying the E compiler-generated LIB$INITIALIZE PSECT).  Thanks for the suggestion.   4    And that's "its", but I'll forgive you this time.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:19:21 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>? Subject: Re: Dave Cutler (was OT: time to market with the 8086) = Message-ID: <CrmdneUR2L0EM1jeRVn-hg@metrocastcablevision.com>    Neil Rieck wrote:    ...   C   This next paragraph came to me last week (Jan-2006) in a personal " > email from an ex-Intel employee. > 	 > <quote>  > N > "Given your interest in VMS you might find this amusing. In the early 1990'sL > we visited Microsoft to try to ensure that their new OS "Windows NT" wouldM > be available on IA32. We met with Dave Cutler, and he was adamant that IA32 K > was doomed and would we please get lost so he could target Alpha and then K > whatever 64-bit architecture was certain to replace IA32 by Intel. It was H > not a polite disagreement; that guy HATED IA32 and wasn't reluctant toG > transfer his displeasure to IA32's representatives (us). What an ugly ' > business meeting. Smart guy, though."  > 
 > </quote> > I > I asked for a clarification on the phrase "IA32" as it pertains to this K > quote and was told that it refers to both 486 (which was in production in 3 > 1990) and Pentium which was still in development.   H Well, Dave's opinions were never exactly known for their timidity.  But G he was always pretty pragmatic:  while he may have hated x86 back when  F Alpha was alive and kicking ass, nowadays he's reportedly far happier G with x86-64 than with the Itanic alternative - and no more hesitant to  B express that opinion than he was to express his opinion back then.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:56:01 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> ? Subject: Re: Dave Cutler (was OT: time to market with the 8086) : Message-ID: <CGixf.19107$W03.540199@news20.bellglobal.com>  6 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message 7 news:CrmdneUR2L0EM1jeRVn-hg@metrocastcablevision.com...  > Neil Rieck wrote:  >  [...snip...] > M > Well, Dave's opinions were never exactly known for their timidity.  But he  L > was always pretty pragmatic:  while he may have hated x86 back when Alpha G > was alive and kicking ass, nowadays he's reportedly far happier with  L > x86-64 than with the Itanic alternative - and no more hesitant to express < > that opinion than he was to express his opinion back then. >  > - bill  K I didn't know about this Itanic opinion. Got any more information to share?   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:57:18 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Honeypot stats , Message-ID: <43C5631D.7DE4F81E@teksavvy.com>   Neil Rieck wrote:   G > I think you'd agree that "if the addition of new applications exposes H > security problems, then the OS wasn't very secure in the first place".  H I disagree.  It could simply be bad application design that requires theC application to be given all mighty privileges that allow the app to  bypass system security.   G Also, consider web servers on VMS.  In order to listen in to privileged B ports, the application needs to be granted some fairly significantB privileges.  In the case of OSU, because it is open sourced, I canG verify that it does disable privileges such as SYSPRV once it has begun F to listen to the ports so during day to day operation, it doesn't haveH sysprv. But that is simply because it is behaving nicely, not because ofF OS security since the web server could enable SYSPRIV anytime it wants and wreak havok on my system.   H Look at a POP server. It needs all mighty privileges because it goes outH and plays into anyone's mailbox. And there was one instance of oversight@ that allowed the POP server to overwrite any file on the system.  G Lets face it, VMS doesn't get 100% grade on security today, even though E the same OS security would get 100% in the days of interactive users.   G What is different about VMS isn't so much the OS, but the people around F the OS, but at "Digital", and folks porting applications. Again, I use? the example of OSU where Mr Jones clearly was aware of security F implications and architected the server to operate in a safe manner. IE suspect many applications written for Windows are written by far less B experienced people who didn't grow up in timesharing systems whereG security was always important and don't quite understand all that stuff  enough to put it into practice.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:10:57 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Honeypot stats + Message-ID: <43C56650.B0C175D@teksavvy.com>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:= > Certainly it does !   SEND/FOREIGN works just fine in mail.    $ mail   MAIL> send/foreign temp.exe   To:     mlewinski@whitehouse.gov CC:  Subj:   Specs for a blue dressP %TCPIP-W-SMTP_RFMFIXNOTS, fixed length record format on input file not supported   MAIL>   E Is that what you call "works fine" ?   And upon reception of an email H with attachements, having to extract it, then run the awful MIME utility3 with gratuitous SMG screen handling is a real pain.   D > As for "open new ports", that vulnerability is a characteristic ofF > TCP/IP where unprivileged users can set up a port to accept incoming% > connections without authorization.      E Face it, today's new applications are TCPIP Based. Yes, DECNET is far E superior from a security point of view. But even then, an application G needs SYSNAM to create a network object. And once it has SYSNAM, it can ? play with a lot of logical names in the system table, including E redefininig SYSUAF to point to its own file to allow hacker access to  the system. H Just because application writers for VMS have been professional over theC years and didn't let too many vulnerabilities in their applications 6 doesn't mean that the OS itself is really that secure.  D Imagine if the VMS engineers had reserved one privilege bits for theD creation of network objects. This means that an application wouldn'tF have needed privileges that could allow it to mess with system logicalF names. And this privilege bit could have been used when TCPIP ServicesI was ported to VMS to allow an application to listen to a well known port.   G What I am saying is that VMS isn't perfect with regards to security. So D you still need to have well behaved applications on VMS. And that isH where there is a difference with Windows since windows doesn't have well5 behaved/designed applications and VMS generally does.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:49:03 -0500 - From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Honeypot stats I Message-ID: <8660a3a10601111249p7507acd1rc19f52a343055289@mail.gmail.com>   : On 1/11/06, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: > Neil Rieck wrote:  > I > > I think you'd agree that "if the addition of new applications exposes J > > security problems, then the OS wasn't very secure in the first place". > J > I disagree.  It could simply be bad application design that requires theE > application to be given all mighty privileges that allow the app to  > bypass system security.  > I > Also, consider web servers on VMS.  In order to listen in to privileged D > ports, the application needs to be granted some fairly significantD > privileges.  In the case of OSU, because it is open sourced, I canI > verify that it does disable privileges such as SYSPRV once it has begun H > to listen to the ports so during day to day operation, it doesn't haveJ > sysprv. But that is simply because it is behaving nicely, not because ofH > OS security since the web server could enable SYSPRIV anytime it wants > and wreak havok on my system.  > J > Look at a POP server. It needs all mighty privileges because it goes outJ > and plays into anyone's mailbox. And there was one instance of oversightB > that allowed the POP server to overwrite any file on the system. > I > Lets face it, VMS doesn't get 100% grade on security today, even though G > the same OS security would get 100% in the days of interactive users.  > I > What is different about VMS isn't so much the OS, but the people around H > the OS, but at "Digital", and folks porting applications. Again, I useA > the example of OSU where Mr Jones clearly was aware of security H > implications and architected the server to operate in a safe manner. IG > suspect many applications written for Windows are written by far less D > experienced people who didn't grow up in timesharing systems whereI > security was always important and don't quite understand all that stuff ! > enough to put it into practice.  >     B I'm looking at an article in SC Magazine entitled "Security starts4 with coding" which contains the following paragraph:  ? "Many of the techniques for secure coding have been left out of D courses for software developers.  WIthout proper knowledge of how to? build secure software, programmers run the risk of jeopardizing  development projects."   Or entire OSes for that matter.    WWWebb   --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:59:23 -0700 + From: Mark Berryman <mark@theberrymans.com>  Subject: Re: Honeypot stats % Message-ID: <43c51d4c$1@mvb.saic.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Neil Rieck wrote:  > @ >>"Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>I >>>On the contrary, VMS has had numerous and significant new features and % >>>capabilities added over the years,  >  > L >>I agree. In fact, the whole feel of OpenVMS seemed to change between 7.3-1 >>and 7.3-2. >  >  > # > Did VMS get Instant Messaging ?     G VMS didn't need to add it since it was already available via freeware.  A (Don't ask me for a copy.  I threw it out a long time ago when I  ' discovered I really had no use for IM).   - > Does it have Kazaa and other P2P clients ?    D Yes.  If you'll provide a useful purpose for P2P on VMS, other than D illegal file sharing, that more than 1 or 2 people want, then I may   resurrect the one I used to use.  ; > Consider that they can't even properly integrate the time  > setting sofware on VMS,   F Beg pardon?  Time setting, time synchronization, and time changes all C work perfectly on my VMS systems and have for years.  What exactly   doesn't work on yours?  0 > they are a long way from matching the featuresC > that have been added to MAC OS-X and Windows. VMS doesn't support  > cameras,    I Yes, it does, with full motion video that was better than I could get on  H most PCs.  Sadly, I no longer have the hardware I used to do this with. !   But the support is still there.   7 > and it doesn't even support sound on that IA64 thing.   + According to the roadmap, it is on its way.   * > VMS lacks the real Adobe Acrobat reader,  C I have yet to encounter a PDF file I could not read well with XPDF. I I have, however, encountered PDF files that caused problems with Acrobat  H reader (potentially dangerous problems) that were a non-issue with XPDF.   > lacks Flash client.   
 In the works.   0 > Lacks all the modern office software etc etc.   I Define modern.  I certainly have most of the office productivity tools I   need.   H > When you look at all the holes in Windows, they are usually due to new1 > features that provide user level functionality.   . I think you'll find the truth to be otherwise.  I That issue aside, do you know how incredibly brain-dead a program has to  D be in order to be tricked into executing malicious code when all it F should be doing is displaying a graphic image?  I've written a bit of E code of this nature.  Could you crash it with a bogus image?  Maybe.  @ Could you make it do anything else it wasn't supposed to do? No.  G > VMS's new features are more "back office" related, adding support for @ > better clustering etc. It doesn't open new ports that make VMSV > vulnerable. Heck, the standard mail client in VMS doesn't even support attachements.  G My Windows mail client supports attachments by invoking other programs. H My VMS mail client supports attachments by invoking other programs.  In C one case, I click an icon; it the other, I press a key. What's the   difference?   G Sorry, while there a definitely more things I'd like to see running on  B VMS, this particular tirade seems to have little basis in reality.  
 Mark Berryman    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:03:06 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: Honeypot stats : Message-ID: <L0hxf.28458$Pq4.235633@news20.bellglobal.com>  ; "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> wrote in message  C news:8660a3a10601111249p7507acd1rc19f52a343055289@mail.gmail.com... : On 1/11/06, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: > Neil Rieck wrote:  > I > > I think you'd agree that "if the addition of new applications exposes J > > security problems, then the OS wasn't very secure in the first place". >  [...snip...]  C >I'm looking at an article in SC Magazine entitled "Security starts 5 >with coding" which contains the following paragraph:  > @ >"Many of the techniques for secure coding have been left out ofE >courses for software developers.  WIthout proper knowledge of how to @ >build secure software, programmers run the risk of jeopardizing >development projects."  >   >Or entire OSes for that matter. >   M I think you just proved my point (sort of). Of course it is the best of both  M worlds when all programmers from the application level all the way up to the  E OS level concern themselves with security. My point being that if an  K inexperienced programer makes a mistake, then thank heavens a good OS like  3 OpenVMS is there to act like a security/safety net.   M Now I'd like to add a personal comment to your second paragraph; I wonder if  K this is related to the difference between "computer sciences in a academic  " sense" and "computer engineering"?   <timetravel>D In the early 1990's I did some freelance design work on an embedded J controller system based upon the Motorola 68HC11F1. We manufactured a few I hundred of these and although the h/w work was interesting, the firmware  A work was even more so. I wrote my own monitor as well as all the  K interrupt-driven device drivers and everything worked an apparent 99.9% of  K the time. Well I'm sure you can imagine what happened next? My client came  I back and asked me to improve upon the 99.9%. So I got in touch with some  J design people in Detroit who were doing this sort of thing in the hostile L environment of automobiles. One kind soul sent me a photocopy of an article J from "Embedded Magazine" (I think) that really blew my socks off. One big K problem in embedded design is EMI. Imagine a JUMP or BRANCH statement that  L is executing at the time EMI flips one of your address lines: you end up in H a different section of the ROM. The article suggested all kinds of cool $ things but here is just one example:  H Setting aside a special counter (or flag if memory is scarce) for every L subroutine; you increment the counter upon routine entry and then decrement M the same one upon routine exit. On each pass through the monitor you inspect  M all the counters and they should all be set to their initial values. If your  L CPU accidentally jumped from one routine to another, the counter associated K with the first routine would be too high while the counter associated with  J the second routine would be too low. Your monitor might be able to record L and/or recover from this but without this kind of defensive programming you L might never know. Also, this kind of fault could accumulate for days before 4 you ever saw a stack error that forced a hard reset.  G p.s. the Automotive guy told me that some of his defensive programming  L techniques came from talking to a defence contractor software developer who I had moved into commercial space applications. (now I know why my GrandAm   never craps out)  L Now you are not going to get this kind of information learning how to write J an accounting program at community college. IMHO this much rarer stuff is F going to be passed from person to person in a specialized engineering K environment (like Yoda talking to Luke Skywalker). I wonder what the folks   at JPL are doing right now? 
 </timetravel>   J So I said all of the above to say this: programming with security in mind ' must be a totally different experience.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:38:20 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: Honeypot stats 0 Message-ID: <11sb97tkrvqti4b@corp.supernews.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Neil Rieck wrote:  > @ >>"Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>I >>>On the contrary, VMS has had numerous and significant new features and % >>>capabilities added over the years,  >  > L >>I agree. In fact, the whole feel of OpenVMS seemed to change between 7.3-1 >>and 7.3-2. >  >  > C > Did VMS get Instant Messaging ?  Does it have Kazaa and other P2P F > clients ?  Consider that they can't even properly integrate the timeH > setting sofware on VMS, they are a long way from matching the featuresC > that have been added to MAC OS-X and Windows. VMS doesn't support @ > cameras, and it doesn't even support sound on that IA64 thing. > H > VMS lacks the real Adobe Acrobat reader, lacks Flash client. Lacks all& > the modern office software etc etc.  > H > When you look at all the holes in Windows, they are usually due to new2 > features that provide user level functionality.  > G > VMS's new features are more "back office" related, adding support for @ > better clustering etc. It doesn't open new ports that make VMSV > vulnerable. Heck, the standard mail client in VMS doesn't even support attachements.  G Me thinks that you have a problem differentiating between applications   and an Operating System.  $ AS for Kazza, what's wrong with FTP?  I Need a camara driver, or much of the things you listed?  What's it worth  9 to you?  I like doing interesting utilities/applications.   B Yes, VMS is not the target of many office automation and personal H productivity applications.  Points for your argument.  However, this is + not relavent to the capabilities of the OS.   I Such applications could be implemented on a VMS system.  However, unless  F some clueless idiot ran them with privs, any holes in the application # could not affect the entire system.   1 It's your original premiss that is full of holes.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:35:22 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: Honeypot stats : Message-ID: <cvhxf.28478$Pq4.238078@news20.bellglobal.com>  5 "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message  3 news:Yi7xf.7934$W03.474595@news20.bellglobal.com...  >    > [...snip...] > H > I think you'd agree that "if the addition of new applications exposes H > security problems, then the OS wasn't very secure in the first place". > J > In the case of OpenVMS, security in this OS had its beginnings in other M > multi-user and multi-tasking operating systems that go back to timesharing  ! > systems of the 1950s and 1960s.  > + > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-sharing  > K > I remember my fist official RSX-11/M training at DEC in Kanata, Ontario.  L > Security and memory management protection where explained like this: "The K > computer science field was just taking off and many people were learning  J > how to program for the first time in all kinds of stuff including Macro M > assembler. Engineers went to great lengths to make sure that a user-caused  F > software crash in one student's work space did not affect any other H > workspace including those owned by the Operating System (provided the J > student wasn't running in kernel mode etc.)". They even went further to F > state that software development was safe on just about any platform & > because of this built-in protection" > H > Although MS has made quite a few changes to their various versions of F > Windows, they haven't come anywhere close to the kind of protection D > robustness I just described. So although it is true that personal K > productivity software associated with Windows had not yet been ported to  K > OpenVMS, doing so would not have the same effect on OpenVMS that it does  
 > on Windows.  > J > p.s. You should read the official disclaimer for installing Apache on a J > Windows machine. I'll try to find the exact quote sometime today but it M > basically states that "for Apache to work properly it must be installed on  M > an OS with proper built-in security". Then it continues "Apache on Windows  F > is for demonstration use only and might not ever be totally secure." >   " A follow-up to my earlier posting:  G As I said earlier, when people (including myself) were learning how to  K write/debug programs in MACRO it was really nice to have an OS which would  B protect all other aspects of the system from the student's errors.  L I remember taking a C++ course at community college more than 10 years ago. L As everyone in this NG already knows, C/C++ are just fancy replacements for L the macro assemblers of yester-year. Well each student was assigned his own M PC which was running Windows-95a (I think). All that was required to lock up  J the system (which required a reboot) was to write a program and forget to K initialize a pointer. In the OpenVMS world you'd get a stack dump followed   by a DCL prompt.  H I know that Windows has changed since then as Windows-95-98-ME has been I merged into Windows-2000 to become Windows-XP. But last week I was doing  L some work with Visual Studio.Net and I was still able to force an automatic  reboot of Windows-XP. G (Maybe this is no longer a problem since every developer has their own  H machine and there is no longer a reason to share the same hardware. Nah L that's not it. Windows still hasn't evolved to the level of OpenVMS or *NIX)  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:03:21 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com>  Subject: Re: Honeypot stats 0 Message-ID: <dq4de0$am$1@news-02.connect.com.au>   Hi,   C > Yes, VMS is not the target of many office automation and personal  > productivity applications.  . Yes Dave, but "Digital is a Software Company!"  % Sorry. I miss that old coffee mug :-)    Regards Richard Maher   4 "Dave Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message* news:11sb97tkrvqti4b@corp.supernews.com... > JF Mezei wrote:  > > Neil Rieck wrote:  > > B > >>"Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >>K > >>>On the contrary, VMS has had numerous and significant new features and ' > >>>capabilities added over the years,  > >  > > H > >>I agree. In fact, the whole feel of OpenVMS seemed to change between 7.3-1  > >>and 7.3-2. > >  > >  > > E > > Did VMS get Instant Messaging ?  Does it have Kazaa and other P2P H > > clients ?  Consider that they can't even properly integrate the timeJ > > setting sofware on VMS, they are a long way from matching the featuresE > > that have been added to MAC OS-X and Windows. VMS doesn't support B > > cameras, and it doesn't even support sound on that IA64 thing. > > J > > VMS lacks the real Adobe Acrobat reader, lacks Flash client. Lacks all' > > the modern office software etc etc.  > > J > > When you look at all the holes in Windows, they are usually due to new3 > > features that provide user level functionality.  > > I > > VMS's new features are more "back office" related, adding support for B > > better clustering etc. It doesn't open new ports that make VMSJ > > vulnerable. Heck, the standard mail client in VMS doesn't even support
 attachements.  > H > Me thinks that you have a problem differentiating between applications > and an Operating System. > & > AS for Kazza, what's wrong with FTP? > J > Need a camara driver, or much of the things you listed?  What's it worth; > to you?  I like doing interesting utilities/applications.  > C > Yes, VMS is not the target of many office automation and personal I > productivity applications.  Points for your argument.  However, this is - > not relavent to the capabilities of the OS.  > J > Such applications could be implemented on a VMS system.  However, unlessG > some clueless idiot ran them with privs, any holes in the application % > could not affect the entire system.  > 3 > It's your original premiss that is full of holes.  >  > --  6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596@ > DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com > 170 Grimplin Road  > Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:41:07 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: Honeypot stats 0 Message-ID: <11sbge4k57q1339@corp.supernews.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:^ > In article <43C4A962.71BBF40B@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >  >>Neil Rieck wrote:  >>A >>>"Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message  >>> J >>>>On the contrary, VMS has had numerous and significant new features and& >>>>capabilities added over the years, >>M >>>I agree. In fact, the whole feel of OpenVMS seemed to change between 7.3-1 
 >>>and 7.3-2.  >> >>C >>Did VMS get Instant Messaging ?  Does it have Kazaa and other P2P F >>clients ?  Consider that they can't even properly integrate the timeH >>setting sofware on VMS, they are a long way from matching the featuresC >>that have been added to MAC OS-X and Windows. VMS doesn't support @ >>cameras, and it doesn't even support sound on that IA64 thing. >>H >>VMS lacks the real Adobe Acrobat reader, lacks Flash client. Lacks all& >>the modern office software etc etc.  >  > F > Which operating systems (as distinguished from applications) containC > Adobe Acrobat reader, Flash client and "modern office software" ?  >  > H >>When you look at all the holes in Windows, they are usually due to new2 >>features that provide user level functionality.  >>G >>VMS's new features are more "back office" related, adding support for @ >>better clustering etc. It doesn't open new ports that make VMSV >>vulnerable. Heck, the standard mail client in VMS doesn't even support attachements. >  > = > Certainly it does !   SEND/FOREIGN works just fine in mail.  > D > As for "open new ports", that vulnerability is a characteristic ofF > TCP/IP where unprivileged users can set up a port to accept incomingI > connections without authorization.  On DECnet adding some corresponding # > vulnerability requires privilege.   H Well Larry,  today's reality is TCP/IP.  Even so, a user with no privs, G opening a non-priv port, cannot affect the rest of the system any more  * than said user could without using TCP/IP.  @ Windoz also has the concept of security.  Unfortunately, almost F everything written for it demands to be run with Administrator privs. " Allowing that is the real problem.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:39:07 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> @ Subject: Re: Licenses in a cluster (nodes know about each other), Message-ID: <43C56CE5.8CD6567C@teksavvy.com>   Guy Peleg wrote: > Correct ! (almost...)  > A > A resource is created for each PAK, usage is tracked by locking  > the resource  ? Had I done a HELP SHOW LICENSE , I would have seen SHOW LICENSE H /USAGE/FULL which gives a clusterwide usage of the licences known to the* node on which you are issuing the command.  E Problem is that I never really had any licencing problems in the past F (each node had its own licences for the most part), so this has been a learning experience for me.   H SHOW licence/USAGE/FULL is really cool. However, it lacks one thing: the licence authorisation number.      I do have a question though:  E The licence I have for the 4000-600 is titled "OPENVMS Unlimited User  Licence VAX 4500A"   Product name is VMS-USER   Availability is A   F It seems to only allow one user session with one session on OPA0:. (SoB it appears to function as a single user session.). That licence is* NO_SHARE and is loaded only on that node.   F On my 3100, the hobbyist licence is a "VAX-VMS" and it seems to let me! start as many sessions as I want.   F I take it the VMS-USER is really a per-user license and the use of the+ word "unlimited" in the PAK is misleading ? H This one has mod-units on it. If I boost the units, does this mean I canF have more sessions, or just that I could load it on a bigger machine ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:10:27 -0500 2 From: "Timothy Stark" <fsword7_nospam@comcast.net>& Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.2 boot problems0 Message-ID: <XKKdneGIgcIDVVjeRVn-hQ@comcast.com>  > "Timothy Stark" <fsword7_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message 4 news:udidnR-sGJfiCV3enZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@comcast.com...L > I finally got OpenVMS booting throught VMB and SYSBOOT initialization. It L > now announced its banner.  After that, it crashed and displayed bug check M > message incidate invalid exception above AST level 2.  According to my log  M > file, it crashed during IPL level 8 after LDPCTX executed (before starting  I > sysinit process) when it attempted to access null pointer.  It crashed  D > later after accessed IP register to starting MSCP disk controller $ > initialization for user processes.   Hello folks,  F Well, no one responses my postings but I now found and fixed a bug in J unaligned WriteV routine (TS10 emulator). OpenVMS boot went so far beyond G that point and now asked me to enter date and time...  Thanks for your   help...    Tim    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 13:36:48 -06004 From: kuhrt.nospammy@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) Subject: OSX using VMS NFS3 Message-ID: <V$XjHqqNoO+I@eisner.encompasserve.org>   G In article <dq1obu0reh@enews2.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes: : > John Malmberg <malmberg@dskwld.zko.hp.compaq.dec> wrote:G >> I have forwarded the questions posted in this thread to him.  He is  J >> interested in feedback in what features are important to be in a SAMBA 0 >> based offering to help prioritize work on it. > K > Something I'd like to see is it tested with Mac OS X.  Last I'd heard, no K > one has gotten Mac OS X to access VMS via NFS, and I was rather disturbed K > when I attempted to edit a VMS file via Samba on my Mac, only to have the B > attempts to save the changes I made delete versions of the file. > L > Basically what I'm saying is that there is a need out there for a reliableL > method of accessing files on VMS systems from Mac's now that Pathworks forE > Macs is no longer an option (not that it has been a real option for  > *years*).   ? I had my 10.3.9 Mac using an NFS share from my 7.3-2 VMS system > running Multinet V5.0 on a DS10L just fine.  From the Finder I> type Action-K (or whatever you call that key that looks like aA five dice) and it asks what I want to mount.  I type in something ? like nfs:/vmsnodename/nfsmountname/ and viola, another drive on , the Mac.  (IIRC, the Mac isn't on right now)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:15:32 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> Subject: Re: OSX using VMS NFS5 Message-ID: <110120061536556386%paul.anderson@hp.com>   ? In article <V$XjHqqNoO+I@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Marty Kuhrt ) <kuhrt.nospammy@encompasserve.org> wrote:   A > I had my 10.3.9 Mac using an NFS share from my 7.3-2 VMS system E > running Multinet V5.0 on a DS10L just fine.  From the Finder I type F > Action-K (or whatever you call that key that looks like a five dice)= > and it asks what I want to mount.  I type in something like F > nfs:/vmsnodename/nfsmountname/ and viola, another drive on the Mac. $ > (IIRC, the Mac isn't on right now)  > I have an NFS volume mounted on my Mac desktop now.  Given the8 appropriate MAP and EXPORT commands on the OpenVMS side:       $ tcpip show map&                 Dynamic Filesystem Map?     Pathname                                Logical File System :     /other                                  ROUTE2$DKB500:       $ tcpip show export 5     File System                             Host name 5     /other                                  MACOFFICE   7 where "MACOFFICE" equates to the IP address of the Mac.   / I use the "Connect to Server" box to connect to   1      nfs://route2.zko.hp.com/other/kits/macintosh   C and the directory that's mounted is ROUTE2$DKB500:[KITS.MACINTOSH].   F I'm running Mac OS X 10.4.4 and I know I had problems with NFS betweenA the Mac and OpenVMS before, but I don't know if it was an OpenVMS C configuration problem or something in Mac OS X that changed.  I had A previously used NFSmanager on the Mac but find I don't need it to  connect to NFS servers.   D Performance is not stellar, but NFS is easier to deal with than FTP," even with an FTP GUI-based client.   Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:43:13 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: OSX using VMS NFS, Message-ID: <43C57BE7.2E4B5F2D@teksavvy.com>   Marty Kuhrt wrote:C > five dice) and it asks what I want to mount.  I type in something A > like nfs:/vmsnodename/nfsmountname/ and viola, another drive on  > the Mac.      " Well, that is music to my ears :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Jan 2006 04:08:09 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com  Subject: Re: OSX using VMS NFS, Message-ID: <dq4kn902io4@enews2.newsguy.com>  + Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> wrote: @ > I have an NFS volume mounted on my Mac desktop now.  Given the: > appropriate MAP and EXPORT commands on the OpenVMS side:   >     $ tcpip show map( >                 Dynamic Filesystem MapA >     Pathname                                Logical File System < >     /other                                  ROUTE2$DKB500:   >     $ tcpip show export 7 >     File System                             Host name 7 >     /other                                  MACOFFICE   9 > where "MACOFFICE" equates to the IP address of the Mac.   1 > I use the "Connect to Server" box to connect to   3 >      nfs://route2.zko.hp.com/other/kits/macintosh   E > and the directory that's mounted is ROUTE2$DKB500:[KITS.MACINTOSH].   G Thanks, that was enough information to solve the main problem!  It also I reminds me of where I ran into problems the last time I tried to get this F to work.  Unless I'm mistaken prior to TCPIP V5.4 I was able to do the
 following:   TCPIP MAP "/web" DSA14:[WEB]  L Where WEB is a directory.  Now TCPIP expects it to be a container file.  The following works just fine.   TCPIP MAP "/web" DSA14:   L Now my only problem looks to be translating the GID/UID numbers on my Mac toL my user account on the VMS box.  Time to figure out what is wrong with how IK have the Proxy set.  Shouldn't the following allow me to access a directory < I own?  I have the GID and UID set to what they are THE_MAC.  ; VMS User_name     Type      User_ID    Group_ID   Host_name 3                                                     9 HEALYZH           OND           999         999   THE_MAC    		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:30:00 +0100 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>- Subject: Re: OT: time to market with the 8086 < Message-ID: <43c56acc$0$99984$edfadb0f@dread16.news.tele.dk>   JF Mezei wrote: 9 > http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060110/macworld_apple.html?.v=8  > H > Apple had announced in mid 2005  that it would begin to introduce 8086  > based Macintoshes by mid 2006. > J > Today, steve Jobs unveiled 2 8086 based macs, both using dual core intelG > 8086s and said that the full product line will have been converted to J > the 8086 by year end. That is partly because the 8086 is now faster thanD > the custom G5 Apple chips  so there is no incentive to stick with # > Apple's custom Power based chips.  > C > Interesting comparison with the Alpha to IA64 transition which is " > happening at a much slower pace.  : Considering that MacOS X is FreeBSD based and that FreeBSD; runs on x86 (and x86-64), then it is hardly surprising that  the port was fast.   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 15:50:51 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - Subject: Re: OT: time to market with the 8086 3 Message-ID: <bfupKINvXecg@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <43C4D48C.26882.1D4A40F1@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> writes:, > On 11 Jan 2006 at 7:52, Bob Koehler wrote:. >>    There is a Charon-VAX for OpenVMS Alpha.I >>    But it is extreemly limited compard to what is offered for Windows.  > H > Actually, the latest product series emulates VAX 6610 through 6660 (6 @ > processor SMP), and is available for both Windows *and* Alpha. >   3    That's good news.  Can I get Pico-VAX for Alpha?    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 15:52:47 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - Subject: Re: OT: time to market with the 8086 3 Message-ID: <QYFCoqUzODrd@eisner.encompasserve.org>   u In article <43c56acc$0$99984$edfadb0f@dread16.news.tele.dk>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:  > < > Considering that MacOS X is FreeBSD based and that FreeBSD= > runs on x86 (and x86-64), then it is hardly surprising that  > the port was fast.  G    Considering that the MAC GUI is complex, powerfull, self-consistent, E    and high quality, it was not clear that the port would be fast.  I 4    think it ws the quality that pulled them through.  A    The kernel port (Darwin) was completed before OS X first ship.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:15:03 +0100 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>- Subject: Re: OT: time to market with the 8086 : Message-ID: <43c58368$0$197$edfadb0f@dread16.news.tele.dk>   Bob Koehler wrote:w > In article <43c56acc$0$99984$edfadb0f@dread16.news.tele.dk>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes: < >>Considering that MacOS X is FreeBSD based and that FreeBSD= >>runs on x86 (and x86-64), then it is hardly surprising that  >>the port was fast. > I >    Considering that the MAC GUI is complex, powerfull, self-consistent, G >    and high quality, it was not clear that the port would be fast.  I 6 >    think it ws the quality that pulled them through. > C >    The kernel port (Darwin) was completed before OS X first ship.    Not understood.   3 The high level GUI should not depend on the machine 
 architecture.   1 It should only depend on the services provided by 3 OS, compilers, TCP/IP stack and basic graphics lib.   2 If FreeBSD provided those, then it should be close0 to just a recompile of all the services added on top of that.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:05:25 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>- Subject: Re: OT: time to market with the 8086 - Message-ID: <43C556F5.7648.1203DC6@localhost>   + On 11 Jan 2006 at 15:50, Bob Koehler wrote: F >> Actually, the latest product series emulates VAX 6610 through 6660 D >> (6 processor SMP), and is available for both Windows *and* Alpha. > 5 >    That's good news.  Can I get Pico-VAX for Alpha?   = Sorry -- Pico-VAX is more of an extended demo than a product.   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------8 Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  Toll free: 1-888-I-LUV-VAX3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:02:32 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - Subject: Re: OT: time to market with the 8086 0 Message-ID: <11sbhm84hcm26ab@corp.supernews.com>   Tom Linden wrote: 9 > On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:49:00 -0500, Stanley F. Quayle   ! > <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote:  > H >> Actually, the latest product series emulates VAX 6610 through 6660 (6A >> processor SMP), and is available for both Windows *and* Alpha.  >  > ? > I am aware of quad boards, e.g., Tynan, who makes Hex boards?   8 Does a 4 socket board with 4 dual core Opterons satisfy?   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:04:50 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - Subject: Re: OT: time to market with the 8086 0 Message-ID: <11sbhqi7mmir905@corp.supernews.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:w > In article <43c56acc$0$99984$edfadb0f@dread16.news.tele.dk>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:  > < >>Considering that MacOS X is FreeBSD based and that FreeBSD= >>runs on x86 (and x86-64), then it is hardly surprising that  >>the port was fast. >  > I >    Considering that the MAC GUI is complex, powerfull, self-consistent, G >    and high quality, it was not clear that the port would be fast.  I 6 >    think it ws the quality that pulled them through. > C >    The kernel port (Darwin) was completed before OS X first ship.  >   ? If it was all written in C, then they didn't have the issue of  3 developing compilers for Macro-32, BLISS, and such.   = Just re-compile and go.  Gee, where have I heard that before?    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 13:14:48 -0600' From: David Dyer-Bennet <dd-b@dd-b.net>  Subject: Re: PDPs in the news!( Message-ID: <87wth6inkn.fsf@gw.dd-b.net>  * Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes:  G > PDP Planet went live today as a way to commemorate the venerable line ? > of DEC systems. The site includes scintillating photos of PDP 
 > computers - B > some of which have their motherboards and backplanes exposed. InH > addition, the site has some racy restoration stories and allows you toA > "log-in" to a pair of PDPs that have been brought back to life.   E "Scintillating photos" my <whatever>.  I've seen most of these images A before, and they're mostly poorly focused, poorly lit, and poorly  exposed.  C Not to complain *too* much.  I'm glad to have the photos that exist  online and easy to find.    E And, in the spirit of not complaining about things I'm not willing to A help fix, anybody working with historic computer gear in day-trip E range of Minneapolis MN and wanting photos taken is invited to get in E touch with me.  Currently I'm also in the Palo Alto area about a week F out of every month and could easily arrange to do some shooting around there.    ; I'd *also* be happy to be flown anywhere else to photograph B interesting old computers, but despite a medium-large ego I reallyB don't think I'm so exceptional a photographer that that would make= sense.  But I urge people with old computers to find the good D photographers among their friends and cow-orkers and *get pictures*. --  F David Dyer-Bennet, <mailto:dd-b@dd-b.net>, <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/>? RKBA: <http://noguns-nomoney.com/> <http://www.dd-b.net/carry/> O Pics: <http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/> <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/> . Dragaera/Steven Brust: <http://dragaera.info/>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:54:30 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: PDPs in the news!, Message-ID: <43C5707F.26E82EAE@teksavvy.com>   David Dyer-Bennet wrote:C > help fix, anybody working with historic computer gear in day-trip G > range of Minneapolis MN and wanting photos taken is invited to get in  > touch with me.    F When my all mighty Microvax II turned 18 last year (that is 1000 yearsG in human terms :-), I showed it a DECDIRECT catalog full of pictures of H computers posing and naked circuit boards. I also suspect it may be intoF bondage. Over the years, it has developed quite a web of cables in the	 back :-)      E (Right now, my MVII is naked. I've taken the side panels (I call them G "Princess Lea ears") off the cabinet. The cabinet will be used to house ; the new machines. I feel terrible about decommissioning it.    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Jan 2006 18:52:10 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com / Subject: Re: Samba v3 on VMS and HP VMS Roadmap , Message-ID: <dq3k4q112k5@enews3.newsguy.com>  < Bob Koehler <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote:I > In article <dq1obu0reh@enews2.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes:  > > M > > Something I'd like to see is it tested with Mac OS X.  Last I'd heard, no 1 > > one has gotten Mac OS X to access VMS via NFS   H >   I've accessed Multinet NFS sevices via Mac OS X since OS 10.1 (years5 >   ago).  And I've mentioned it right here in c.o.v.   K I'd missed seeing that.  Has anyone managed to access HP TCPIP NFS services 
 successfully?   H I'm starting to think I really need to ditch TCPIP in favor of Multinet.   		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:44:20 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>/ Subject: Re: Samba v3 on VMS and HP VMS Roadmap , Message-ID: <42l5gkF1j18hlU1@individual.net>   healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:> > Bob Koehler <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote: > I >>In article <dq1obu0reh@enews2.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes:  >>L >>>Something I'd like to see is it tested with Mac OS X.  Last I'd heard, no0 >>>one has gotten Mac OS X to access VMS via NFS >  > H >>  I've accessed Multinet NFS sevices via Mac OS X since OS 10.1 (years5 >>  ago).  And I've mentioned it right here in c.o.v.  >  > M > I'd missed seeing that.  Has anyone managed to access HP TCPIP NFS services  > successfully?  > J > I'm starting to think I really need to ditch TCPIP in favor of Multinet. >   J I managed from the OS X CLI, but not from Finder. I mentioned it here too.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:47:10 +0000 (UTC) . From: klewis@LUMINA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)/ Subject: Re: Samba v3 on VMS and HP VMS Roadmap . Message-ID: <dq3nbu$iqn$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  e healyzh@aracnet.com writes in article <dq1obu0reh@enews2.newsguy.com> dated 11 Jan 2006 01:51:58 GMT: 9 >John Malmberg <malmberg@dskwld.zko.hp.compaq.dec> wrote: G >> I have forwarded the questions posted in this thread to him.  He is  J >> interested in feedback in what features are important to be in a SAMBA 0 >> based offering to help prioritize work on it. > J >Something I'd like to see is it tested with Mac OS X.  Last I'd heard, noJ >one has gotten Mac OS X to access VMS via NFS, and I was rather disturbedJ >when I attempted to edit a VMS file via Samba on my Mac, only to have theA >attempts to save the changes I made delete versions of the file.   " Wouldn't that happen with NFS too?  K I have a setup where both VMS and OS X access the same Linux disk via NFS.  G I had to configure Linux to allow unprivileged ports, or something like L that, for the Mac to work.  I never did figure out how to do the same in UCX> but since that's the only non-standard option I bet that's it.  K >Basically what I'm saying is that there is a need out there for a reliable K >method of accessing files on VMS systems from Mac's now that Pathworks for D >Macs is no longer an option (not that it has been a real option for
 >*years*).  L I remember a DECUS event years ago where they were trumpeting Windows NT andG "affinity" or some similar buzzword.  I didn't get it.  In hindsight  I 8 think they meant "Say goodbye to Mac/VMS integration".    0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 13:51:13 -08007 From: "flamingomn@hotmail.com" <flamingomn@hotmail.com>  Subject: sho proc/mem C Message-ID: <1137016273.864983.128070@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   B Does anyone know of a way to do the command "$ sho proc/mem " on a/ process other than the one you are logged into?   G I am in a fully proved account and do the above on this process with no  problem.: BUT when I try to put process name or pid I get the below:  2           %SHOW-E-CONFQUAL, conflicting qualifiers  C We are experiencing some memory probelms and mgmt wants to know how F much memory each user is using.  Would the last column in a "$sho sys" output be enough?   
 thanks !  ann    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:28:29 -0500 - From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: sho proc/mem H Message-ID: <8660a3a10601111428md073ec7n710d7b5b6b8ceba1@mail.gmail.com>  5 On 11 Jan 2006 13:51:13 -0800, flamingomn@hotmail.com  <flamingomn@hotmail.com> wrote: D > Does anyone know of a way to do the command "$ sho proc/mem " on a1 > process other than the one you are logged into?  > I > I am in a fully proved account and do the above on this process with no 
 > problem.< > BUT when I try to put process name or pid I get the below: > 3 >          %SHOW-E-CONFQUAL, conflicting qualifiers  > E > We are experiencing some memory probelms and mgmt wants to know how H > much memory each user is using.  Would the last column in a "$sho sys" > output be enough?  >  > thanks !  ann  >  >  Looks like you can't.   
 Sorry, ma'am.    $ help show proc/mem     SHOW  	   PROCESS        /MEMORY   F        Displays the process's use of dynamic memory areas. The /MEMORY2 qualifier is allowed only for the current process.   You'll have to use SDA.    WWWebb   --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 15:38:08 -0800 From: dpm_google@myths.com Subject: Re: sho proc/mem C Message-ID: <1137022688.476361.284240@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   F The most likely cause is that "SHO" is already defined to be something	 specific.    $ SHOW SYMBOL SHO    ok dpm    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:02:05 -0700 # From: Jim Mehlhop <jim@mehlhop.org>  Subject: Re: SSH login. Message-ID: <U7gxf.52$a54.733@news.uswest.net>   Tom Linden wrote:   M > On 11 Jan 2006 01:59:47 -0800, dickon champion <d.champion@rl.ac.uk> wrote:  > J >> i posted sthg about the ssh password and expiry being fixed using putty >>0 >> you must have the most up to date ECO patches >>T >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_thread/thread/1db185a255de7f8f  >> >> >> >> Tom Linden wrote: >>C >>> tcpip 5.4 on 7.3  added a new user account, but unable to login ? >>> via ssh, can do so with telent or set host.  I don't recall = >>> having done anything specific before to enable ssh login. 
 >>> Clues? >>> Tom  >> >>I > Thanks,  I will update when it becomes version 0.59.  Meanwhile problem @ > solved by logging in locally on console and changing password. > Tom     ? Shameless plug    Process Software's SSH (current version with  - applicable eco's) does not have this problem.   ( Runs on TCPIP services if you so choose.     Jim    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:05:00 +0000 (UTC) . From: klewis@LUMINA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)% Subject: Re: Strange SEARCH behaviour . Message-ID: <dq3odc$iqn$2@newslocal.mitre.org>   comp.os.vms@hotmail.com writes in article <1136905921.087475.314130@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> dated 10 Jan 2006 07:12:01 -0800:  >$ show log str$log F >   "STR$LOG" = "STR$LOCATION:[STR_LIVE.PLU.LOGS]" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE) >$ show symb str$warehouse >  STR$WAREHOUSE = "PLU"+ >$ dire/since=9-jan-2006/before=10-jan-2006 ' >str$log:strctg6000_'str$warehouse'.log  > * >Directory LUXS01$DKA1:[STR_LIVE.PLU.LOGS] > C >STRCTG6000_PLU.LOG;18890               34   9-JAN-2006 23:57:53.67  >  >.... clip ...  7 That may or may not be the highest version of the file.    > + >$ sear/since=9-jan-2006/before=10-jan-2006 - >str$log:strctg6000_'str$warehouse'.log "-F-"   >%SEARCH-E-NOFILE, no file foundE >$ sear/since=9-jan-2006 str$log:strctg6000_'str$warehouse'.log "-F-" ( >%SEARCH-I-NOMATCHES, no strings matchedE >$ sear/befor=9-jan-2006 str$log:strctg6000_'str$warehouse'.log "-F-"   >%SEARCH-E-NOFILE, no file found >  > & >It seems that /before is not popular. > F >I can not seem to generate this generally, just in this specific case >with a 19000+ file count   H The default is to only search the highest version number, and if it getsI excluded by your /BEFORE qualifier you get "no file found".  Try adding a 0 wildcard version number to the search command.    , $ sear/since=9-jan-2006/before=10-jan-2006 -. str$log:strctg6000_'str$warehouse'.log;* "-F-"  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2006 13:17:45 -0800 From: dpm_google@myths.com7 Subject: unable to stop the C compiler from complaining C Message-ID: <1137014265.917014.321930@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   : Why can I not shut the compiler up about certain warnings?6 I'm using HP C V7.1-011-50EAE on OpenVMS XAV1-D2Y, and: both the command line qualifier and the pragma are failing) to prevent messages from being signalled.   (     #  pragma message disable SHARECONST*     #  pragma message disable NOTCONSTQUAL   Command Line ------- ----     CC*         /INCLUDE=(CH:,NMSC:,OH:,EPID:,UT:)+         /PREFIX_LIBRARY_ENTRIES=ALL_ENTRIES 3         /WARNINGS=DISABLE=(SHARECONST,NOTCONSTQUAL) *         /DEFINE=(MAKING_UT,UTILITY_IS_MDE)         /DEBUG=NONE          /OPTIMIZE=LEVEL=3 
         /LIST          /MACHINE_CODE          /SHOW=ALL 
         FOO.C   2 yet they show up anyway.  No problems under Alpha.. Any advice, suggestions, or hints appreciated.   ok dpm  -- David P. Murphy  systems programmer http://www.myths.com/~dpm/ mailto:dpm_usenet@myths.com    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Jan 2006 18:38:43 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com ) Subject: Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed , Message-ID: <dq3jbj012k5@enews3.newsguy.com>  3 David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote: F > Shop eBay and other auctions for those BA353 "pizza boxes" and BA350F > storage shelves. They make GREAT external storage for VLCs and other > small VAXes and Alphas.   K Good advice, I swear there is something strange about the SCSI on the VLC.  K I've tried running 7.2 on an internal Seagate drive in one, and had nothing I but problems.  I currently have a BA350 with 3 RZ29-VA's attached, and it  works just fine.  J Watch out for the cooling requirements for the SBB's though, the RZ29-VA'sL I'm using require the 2x fan upgrade to the BA350's (thankfully I gota bunchG of the fans at the same time I got the drives).  You'll cook the faster " drives if you put them in a BA353.   		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:29:14 -0500 - From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> ) Subject: Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed I Message-ID: <8660a3a10601111129k106e8bc9vd7853c3afb8605a3@mail.gmail.com>   L On 11 Jan 2006 18:38:43 GMT, healyzh@aracnet.com <healyzh@aracnet.com> wrot= e:5 > David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote: H > > Shop eBay and other auctions for those BA353 "pizza boxes" and BA350H > > storage shelves. They make GREAT external storage for VLCs and other > > small VAXes and Alphas.  > L > Good advice, I swear there is something strange about the SCSI on the VLC= . L > I've tried running 7.2 on an internal Seagate drive in one, and had nothi= ngK > but problems.  I currently have a BA350 with 3 RZ29-VA's attached, and it  > works just fine. > L > Watch out for the cooling requirements for the SBB's though, the RZ29-VA'= s L > I'm using require the 2x fan upgrade to the BA350's (thankfully I gota bu= nch I > of the fans at the same time I got the drives).  You'll cook the faster $ > drives if you put them in a BA353. >  >                Zane  >  >   
 7.2 on a VLC?   % Boots kinds slow on 24MB, doesn't it?   8 What kind of Seagate, how big is it, and how fast (rpm)?  $ Are you having heat issues, perhaps?   WWWebb   --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Jan 2006 03:38:41 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com ) Subject: Re: VLC & SCSI Drive Help Needed , Message-ID: <dq4j0101u80@enews1.newsguy.com>  . William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> wrote: > 7.2 on a VLC?   ' > Boots kinds slow on 24MB, doesn't it?   & Not as bad as 7.2 on a MicroVAX II :^)  : > What kind of Seagate, how big is it, and how fast (rpm)?   IIRC, it was 1GB, and 5400RPM.  & > Are you having heat issues, perhaps?  H It is definitely possible that I was.  The drive is no longer connected.  L The system is now running 5.5-2 with 3 RZ29-VA's in a BA350, and is nice and stable that way.   		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:45:44 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> Subject: VMS toll free numbers- Message-ID: <43C53638.26707.A05BE1@localhost>   D I thought a memorable toll-free number would help my consulting and + CHARON-VAX business, so I did some digging.   E 1-800-OPENVMS is owned by a company that sells 800 number services.   C They would be "glad" to give it to me for $10,000 or so.  HP could  / afford that, but it was a little pricey for me.   E Most toll-free numbers with "CHARON" in them are owned by a big porn   company, so that's out...   F Since VAX is important to me, and because no one knows what "OpenVMS" 1 is anyway, I got the following toll-free numbers:   )   1-888-VAX-VMS-8		for general consulting -   1-888-I-LUV-VAX		for my CHARON-VAX business   C These numbers are pointed to my office line, but aren't set up for  C use throughout North America yet.  Should be on-line in a few days.   ? There are other numbers with VAX and VMS available.  If you're  E interested, try tollfreenumbers.com, which will search the toll-free  	 database.   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------8 Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  Toll free: 1-888-I-LUV-VAX3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.023 ************************