0 INFO-VAX	Thu, 12 Jan 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 24      Contents: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL RE: 64 Bit Support for DCL Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL Re: Alpha last order date  Re: Alpha last order date  Re: Alpha last order date  Re: Alpha last order date  Re: Alpha last order date  Re: Alpha last order date A Re: BACKUP/OVMS/Alpha 7.3-2 - SYSTEM-W-ENDOFVOLUME, end of volume 6 Re: Dave Cutler (was OT: time to market with the 8086)6 Re: Dave Cutler (was OT: time to market with the 8086)6 Re: Dave Cutler (was OT: time to market with the 8086)6 Re: Dave Cutler (was OT: time to market with the 8086) Re: Honeypot stats. how to permanently reject this kind of address2 Re: how to permanently reject this kind of address2 Re: how to permanently reject this kind of address Internet Browser on OpenVMS  Re: Internet Browser on OpenVMS  Re: Internet Browser on OpenVMS  Re: Internet Browser on OpenVMS  Re: Internet Browser on OpenVMS  Re: Internet Browser on OpenVMS # RE: Java 1.4.2 installation problem 7 Re: Licenses in a cluster (nodes know about each other)  Re: OSX using VMS NFS : OT - VMS Chat Client (was:Re: Internet Browser on OpenVMS)$ Re: OT: time to market with the 8086$ Re: OT: time to market with the 8086$ Re: OT: time to market with the 8086$ Re: OT: time to market with the 8086$ Re: OT: time to market with the 8086 PLUG: txt2pdf 8.5 B Re: Search loop gets file while still being written - How to avoidB Re: Search loop gets file while still being written - How to avoid Re: sho proc/mem Re: sho proc/mem, tcpip set service ftp/reject=host=ip_address0 Re: tcpip set service ftp/reject=host=ip_address0 Re: tcpip set service ftp/reject=host=ip_address0 Re: tcpip set service ftp/reject=host=ip_address0 Re: tcpip set service ftp/reject=host=ip_address2 Re: unable to stop the C compiler from complaining Re: VMS toll free numbers  Re: VMS toll free numbers  Re: VMS toll free numbers  Re: VMS toll free numbers  Re: VMS toll free numbers   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:32:26 +0100  From: rejoc <rejoc@FREEfree.fr> # Subject: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL 3 Message-ID: <43c6222a$0$2262$626a54ce@news.free.fr>    Ferry Bolhar a crit :
 > Tom Linden:  >  > . >>Even better use PL/I (Magwien has a license) >  >  > Where do you know this from? > D > BTW: we hava a PL/I license - but for VAX only. And I'm not a PL/I
 > programmer.  >  > A >>"Example-PLI Passing a Symbol from a Command File to a Program" B >>http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/windows-installation.html >  > D > This points me to an "Installing mySQL on Windows" page - seems to > be the wrong link? >  > A >>"Example-PLI Passing A Symbol From A Program To A Command File" B >>http://www.kednos.com/pli_examples/0091a38d-9c725560-1c01e7.html >  > B > This is just an example on how to use LIB$GET_SYMBOL from PL/I -I > although I'm not a PL/I expert, I wouldn't expect many differences here L > to other languages (using their approbiate mechanisms to provide argumentsH > by descriptor or by reference, as it is the case with LIB$GET_SYMBOL). >  > 0 >>Here is a list of supported builtin functions. >> > Z > http://www.kednos.com/pli/docs/REFERENCE_MANUAL/6291pro_contents_004.html#toc_chapter_11 > I >>Don't forget to use the corresponding built in functions instead of the G >>operators +,-,* and /  to maintain accuracy,  listed in the above URL  >  > J > Thanks for your help, but thisn't actually a usable way for me - we haveG > no PL/I compiler and licenses on Alpha, and I'm not a PL/I programmer C > and there is no (longer) anyone here in my office who knows PL/I.  > % > Nevertheless, thanks for your help,  >  > Greetings, >  > Ferry  > A What about an opensource scripting language ? (perl, Python, ...)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:05:51 +0200 7 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_header@hp.com> # Subject: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL * Message-ID: <43c65432@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  7 "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> wrote in message / news:1136967600.803884@proxy.dienste.wien.at...  > Hi @ all,  > K > I have to read in a file containing numeric data and to process this data 	 > further L > from DCL. Unfortunately, the numeric data may grow beyond the 32-bit limit > provided by DCL. > F > Is there a way to force DCL to use 64-bit integers in its arithmetic
 > operations? J > Since the Alpha architecture (and Itanium as well) provides instructions toJ > operate with 64 bit data, why DCL can't do this? Or is there another wayA > to perform 64-bit arithmetic operations within a DCL procedure?  > C > We are running OpenVMS V7.3-2 on AlphaServers DS25. Upgrade to V8 L > would be an option, but only if there is no way to support 64 bit from DCL# > in V7, and V8 would support this.  > H > In addition, is there support to use the F$FAO lexical with the 64-bit' > FAO directives (like "!OQ" or "!XI")?  > 8 > MTIA for your answers, and kind greetings from Vienna, >  > Ferry  >  > --   > Ing. Ferry Bolhar ' > Municipality of Vienna, Department 14  > A-1010 Vienna / AUSTRIA  > E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.at  >  >   I Adding full 64-bit support to DCL is something I would like to do at some  point.  L As John R. said, it is not a trivial task. The biggest challenge is symbols, all symbols K are now limited to 32-bits, 64 bit support will need to be implemented in a  way that0 will not break compatiblity with prior releases.  & May be a post V8.3 project....maybe...   Guy    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:33:44 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> # Subject: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL ( Message-ID: <ops29paiiyzgicya@hyrrokkin>  J On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:20:12 +0100, Ferry Bolhar <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at>   wrote:  
 > Tom Linden:  > / >> Even better use PL/I (Magwien has a license)  >  > Where do you know this from?   We supplied it.    > D > BTW: we hava a PL/I license - but for VAX only. And I'm not a PL/I
 > programmer.  > B >> "Example-PLI Passing a Symbol from a Command File to a Program"C >> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/windows-installation.html   @ Sorry,  Windows sometimes gets confused with too many cut/pastes	 should be @ http://www.kednos.com/pli_examples/0091a38d-9c725560-1c01e7.html   Also you will find helpful: "Example-PLI  How To Pass Arguments From The Command Line"@ http://www.kednos.com/pli_examples/0094d650-7f755220-1c01e7.html > D > This points me to an "Installing mySQL on Windows" page - seems to > be the wrong link? > B >> "Example-PLI Passing A Symbol From A Program To A Command File"C >> http://www.kednos.com/pli_examples/0091a38d-9c725560-1c01e7.html  > B > This is just an example on how to use LIB$GET_SYMBOL from PL/I -I > although I'm not a PL/I expert, I wouldn't expect many differences here D > to other languages (using their approbiate mechanisms to provide   > arguments H > by descriptor or by reference, as it is the case with LIB$GET_SYMBOL). > 1 >> Here is a list of supported builtin functions.  >>Z > http://www.kednos.com/pli/docs/REFERENCE_MANUAL/6291pro_contents_004.html#toc_chapter_11J >> Don't forget to use the corresponding built in functions instead of theH >> operators +,-,* and /  to maintain accuracy,  listed in the above URL > J > Thanks for your help, but thisn't actually a usable way for me - we haveG > no PL/I compiler and licenses on Alpha, and I'm not a PL/I programmer C > and there is no (longer) anyone here in my office who knows PL/I.   K Nonsense, if you can code at all, you can code in PL/I, pretty much reads    likeK human language.  What exactly do you want to do?  I'll bet it would take me K less than half an hour to produce a program, sounds like all you want to do K is some simple arithmetic and display with dcl.  The links I provided cover  about 90% of your requirement.  I If you are going to do it in python, consider webware and you can use a    browser.   > % > Nevertheless, thanks for your help,  >  > Greetings, >  > Ferry  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:04:11 +0100 ( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de># Subject: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL 3 Message-ID: <000001c61781$101a0ac0$994614ac@wat153>    Hello,E IMHO, if OpenVMS should be a real 64bit OS, DCL should be also 64bit. F Today you will have some problems store the volume size of big volumes or so within a DCL symbol. Best regards R. Wingert    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:26:53 -0500 1 From: "Farrell, Michael" <MFarrell@Voltdelta.com> # Subject: RE: 64 Bit Support for DCL L Message-ID: <085BCCCF596B684092B66310B1D3BA7D0110D104@NJ103EX1.EAST.VIS.COM>   Guy,  E If you went to all the trouble to do 64bit DCL, would that also be an D opportune time to include floating point arithmetic support as well?   Mike   -----Original Message-----? From: Guy Peleg [mailto:guy.peleg@remove_this_header@hp.com]=20 ( Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:06 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com # Subject: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL     7 "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> wrote in message / news:1136967600.803884@proxy.dienste.wien.at...  > Hi @ all,  > F > I have to read in a file containing numeric data and to process this data	 > further F > from DCL. Unfortunately, the numeric data may grow beyond the 32-bit limit  > provided by DCL. > F > Is there a way to force DCL to use 64-bit integers in its arithmetic
 > operations? = > Since the Alpha architecture (and Itanium as well) provides  instructions toF > operate with 64 bit data, why DCL can't do this? Or is there another way A > to perform 64-bit arithmetic operations within a DCL procedure?  > C > We are running OpenVMS V7.3-2 on AlphaServers DS25. Upgrade to V8 H > would be an option, but only if there is no way to support 64 bit from DCL # > in V7, and V8 would support this.  > H > In addition, is there support to use the F$FAO lexical with the 64-bit' > FAO directives (like "!OQ" or "!XI")?  > 8 > MTIA for your answers, and kind greetings from Vienna, >  > Ferry  >  > --=20  > Ing. Ferry Bolhar ' > Municipality of Vienna, Department 14  > A-1010 Vienna / AUSTRIA  > E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.at  >  >   D Adding full 64-bit support to DCL is something I would like to do at some point.  C As John R. said, it is not a trivial task. The biggest challenge is  symbols, all symbols F are now limited to 32-bits, 64 bit support will need to be implemented in a way that0 will not break compatiblity with prior releases.  & May be a post V8.3 project....maybe...   Guy    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 06:48:14 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> # Subject: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL ( Message-ID: <ops29sqo0bzgicya@hyrrokkin>  6 On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:26:53 -0500, Farrell, Michael   <MFarrell@Voltdelta.com> wrote:    > Guy,G > If you went to all the trouble to do 64bit DCL, would that also be an F > opportune time to include floating point arithmetic support as well? > Mike  K You don't want float data, what you want is scaled fixed decimal, remember, H DCL is the man-machine interface and man thinks and expresses herself in decimal.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:26:33 -0500 C From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> " Subject: Re: Alpha last order date: Message-ID: <Kquxf.36048$qw4.13724@bignews5.bellsouth.net>   That's nice...  K Well, we're going to continue to sell systems and options far past then, so $ in the words of  Corporal Jack Jones   "Don't Panic !"        --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X252  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:43C5AD7E.657E49D3@teksavvy.com...H > In case you need some official statement from HP about last order date > for Alphas, it is at:  > 9 > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/planning2005.html  > D > October 27 2006. But It does say that options and upgrades will be > available until Nov 2 2007.  > G > (So if you have a DS10 and want to upgrade to an ES40, does this mean I > that you have until Nov 2 2007, or do upgrades refer only to in-cabinet  > board swaps ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:34:58 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>" Subject: Re: Alpha last order date> Message-ID: <CGuxf.121954$vl2.41649@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>  - David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:    > That's nice... > M > Well, we're going to continue to sell systems and options far past then, so & > in the words of  Corporal Jack Jones >  > "Don't Panic !"   F A "Dad's Army" reference for those who don't know classic UK comedies.  C http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/d/dadsarmy_7771975.shtml   I Clive Dunn (who played Jones) is one of the few cast members still alive.      --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:16:44 -0500 C From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> " Subject: Re: Alpha last order date; Message-ID: <M9vxf.124973$k76.22257@bignews6.bellsouth.net>    Still???   What is he, 100+ ???   DT   --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X252  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   5 "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net> wrote in message 8 news:CGuxf.121954$vl2.41649@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk... >  > / > David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:  >  > > That's nice... > > L > > Well, we're going to continue to sell systems and options far past then, so( > > in the words of  Corporal Jack Jones > >  > > "Don't Panic !"  > H > A "Dad's Army" reference for those who don't know classic UK comedies. > E > http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/d/dadsarmy_7771975.shtml  > K > Clive Dunn (who played Jones) is one of the few cast members still alive.  >  >  > --   > Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:17:28 -0500 C From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> " Subject: Re: Alpha last order date; Message-ID: <qavxf.124975$k76.58101@bignews6.bellsouth.net>   5 I'll need more information Configuration requirements    Email me directly please   David  --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X252  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message & news:43c68371$1@news.langstoeger.at...K > In article <Kquxf.36048$qw4.13724@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "David Turner, 6 Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> writes: > >That's nice...  > > K > >Well, we're going to continue to sell systems and options far past then,  so' > >in the words of  Corporal Jack Jones  > >  > >"Don't Panic !" > L > Super. How much for a GS1280 M16 with 2GHz EV79 or 3GHz EV7A CPUs (16GB) ? >  > SCNR >  > --   > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:42:18 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>" Subject: Re: Alpha last order date> Message-ID: <KFvxf.127861$PD2.28678@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>  - David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:   
 > Still??? >  > What is he, 100+ ???  G According to Wikipedia he is 86. It points out that "Dunn was actually  H one of the younger members of the cast, at 48, when he took on the role G of the elderly butcher whose military service in earlier wars made him  I the most experienced member of the Walmington-on-Sea Home Guard, as well   as the most decrepit."   --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:28:40 -0500 C From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> " Subject: Re: Alpha last order date9 Message-ID: <q5xxf.36946$0y2.1854@bignews2.bellsouth.net>   , What ever happened to the good ol' Britcoms?   Porridge It ain't arf 'ot mum Oppopen All Hours    Are they still on TV in the UK  $ Always loved the Two Ronnies as well   DT       --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X252  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   5 "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net> wrote in message 8 news:KFvxf.127861$PD2.28678@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk... >  > / > David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:  >  > > Still??? > >  > > What is he, 100+ ??? > H > According to Wikipedia he is 86. It points out that "Dunn was actuallyI > one of the younger members of the cast, at 48, when he took on the role H > of the elderly butcher whose military service in earlier wars made himJ > the most experienced member of the Walmington-on-Sea Home Guard, as well > as the most decrepit." >  > --   > Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2006 12:23:38 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) J Subject: Re: BACKUP/OVMS/Alpha 7.3-2 - SYSTEM-W-ENDOFVOLUME, end of volume3 Message-ID: <MtNqr6sO7eMc@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <08343EB1346DFE9B46B0413A753E9DEC@nntp>, "Ruslan R. Laishev" <zzLaishev@zzDeltaTelecom.RU-remove.all-zz-to-reply> writes: > ) > 	What you think about the second case ?  >  >  > 	TIA!  >   H    Now I think you have a third party tape drive that is not interfacingC    to VMS properly.  I had one of those, it stopped working between     VMS 5.5-1 and 6.1.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:56:54 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>? Subject: Re: Dave Cutler (was OT: time to market with the 8086) G Message-ID: <jvadnaBl8sUqYFjenZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>    Neil Rieck wrote: 8 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message 9 > news:CrmdneUR2L0EM1jeRVn-hg@metrocastcablevision.com...  >  >>Neil Rieck wrote:  >> >  > [...snip...] > M >>Well, Dave's opinions were never exactly known for their timidity.  But he  L >>was always pretty pragmatic:  while he may have hated x86 back when Alpha G >>was alive and kicking ass, nowadays he's reportedly far happier with  L >>x86-64 than with the Itanic alternative - and no more hesitant to express < >>that opinion than he was to express his opinion back then. >> >>- bill >  > M > I didn't know about this Itanic opinion. Got any more information to share?   H Nothing I have citations for off the top of my head - just reports that H he's been a champion of AMD64 as a lean-and-mean, upward-compatible (to I IA32) 64-bit alternative to Itanic for a long time inside Microsoft, and  ; helped ensure that Windows supported it in a timely manner.    - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:33:27 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>? Subject: Re: Dave Cutler (was OT: time to market with the 8086) ? Message-ID: <HUsxf.127450$PD2.124897@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    Bill Todd wrote:    J > Well, Dave's opinions were never exactly known for their timidity.  But I > he was always pretty pragmatic:  while he may have hated x86 back when  H > Alpha was alive and kicking ass, nowadays he's reportedly far happier I > with x86-64 than with the Itanic alternative - and no more hesitant to  D > express that opinion than he was to express his opinion back then. > F http://www.amd.com/us-en/Weblets/0,,7832_8366_7823_8718%5E7839,00.html  D "Over the past couple of years, I've been working with AMD on their C next-generation K8 processor...I'm really excited about this chip."   
 - Dave Cutler   I There's also a video of Dave Cutler talking about AMD-64 and how much he  C likes it, linked off the page. It's in Windows Media format though.    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:38:26 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>? Subject: Re: Dave Cutler (was OT: time to market with the 8086) > Message-ID: <mZsxf.119820$vl2.29574@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   Neil Rieck wrote:    > M > I didn't know about this Itanic opinion. Got any more information to share?   7 Start with a search for "Cutler" at www.theinquirer.net      --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2006 12:07:19 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ? Subject: Re: Dave Cutler (was OT: time to market with the 8086) 3 Message-ID: <1pi7R6b8bjzi@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <0zhxf.28480$Pq4.238410@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:	 > <quote>  > N > "Given your interest in VMS you might find this amusing. In the early 1990'sL > we visited Microsoft to try to ensure that their new OS "Windows NT" wouldM > be available on IA32. We met with Dave Cutler, and he was adamant that IA32 K > was doomed and would we please get lost so he could target Alpha and then K > whatever 64-bit architecture was certain to replace IA32 by Intel. It was H > not a polite disagreement; that guy HATED IA32 and wasn't reluctant toG > transfer his displeasure to IA32's representatives (us). What an ugly ' > business meeting. Smart guy, though."  > 
 > </quote>  F    IA32 is a hack on top of a kludge to get a 32 bit system running on8    a 16 bit system that's based on an 8 bit architecure.  F    It's ugly and it should have died in its 16 bit days, but some foolH    wrote a useable C compiler for it, which convinced IBM they could use    it for "personal" computers.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:29:24 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: Honeypot stats , Message-ID: <42naulF1iorbsU1@individual.net>   Neil Rieck wrote:    <snip for brevity>   >  > O > Now I'd like to add a personal comment to your second paragraph; I wonder if  M > this is related to the difference between "computer sciences in a academic  $ > sense" and "computer engineering"? >  > <timetravel>   <excellent example snipped>   N > Now you are not going to get this kind of information learning how to write L > an accounting program at community college. IMHO this much rarer stuff is H > going to be passed from person to person in a specialized engineering M > environment (like Yoda talking to Luke Skywalker). I wonder what the folks   > at JPL are doing right now?  > </timetravel>  >   E Likewise, I long been scpetical of what students learn about writing  F accounting programs at college. Translate "the hostile environment of E automobiles" to "the hostile environment of end users"; even more so  G nowadays when Joe Public is accessing such programs via the web or ATM  D as opposed to the accountacy aware users of a couple of decades ago.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:28:36 -0500 + From: Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> 7 Subject: how to permanently reject this kind of address 5 Message-ID: <dq5p34$st6$1@mailhub227.itcs.purdue.edu>   > SSH_PASSWORD:24-155-40-202.IP.GRANDENETWORKS.NET::SSH_189B28CA  F I need the command please to reject this from coming back into system.   Thanks,  Chuck    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2006 16:20:00 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER); Subject: Re: how to permanently reject this kind of address , Message-ID: <43c681b0$1@news.langstoeger.at>  c In article <dq5p34$st6$1@mailhub227.itcs.purdue.edu>, Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> writes: ? >SSH_PASSWORD:24-155-40-202.IP.GRANDENETWORKS.NET::SSH_189B28CA  > G >I need the command please to reject this from coming back into system.   $ You have already tried the obvious ?  3 $ TCPIP SET COMMUNICATION/REJECT=HOST=24.155.40.202  or1 $ TCPIP SET SERVICE SSH/REJECT=HOST=24.155.40.202    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2006 07:15:15 -0800 From: bill@wcschmidt.com; Subject: Re: how to permanently reject this kind of address B Message-ID: <1137078915.266619.72820@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Chuck,  A I normally would edit the ssh config files andd add the following     B    DenyHosts                            67.15.82.36,218.153.147.928    DenyHosts                           evil.org, aol.com   Bill Schmidt   Chuck Aaron wrote:@ > SSH_PASSWORD:24-155-40-202.IP.GRANDENETWORKS.NET::SSH_189B28CA > H > I need the command please to reject this from coming back into system. > 	 > Thanks,  > Chuck    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2006 03:21:56 -0800( From: "pbritto" <britto.paulo@gmail.com>$ Subject: Internet Browser on OpenVMSB Message-ID: <1137064916.653796.37570@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  F I have just installed the OpenVMS and I want to download files off the5 internet using internet browser. I've got 2 problems: @  1) My internet server is Microsoft DHCP, this is the only Alpha station in the company; 8  2) I don't have a CD with a Internet Browser installed;=  3) My network interface is configured for static IP Address.   F Is it possible to access the internet through this MS internet server?D And what internet browser is commonly used for OpenVMS? I've got theD TCPIP configured, I can ftp Windows 2000 machines but I haven't seen3 any DHCP configuration when I configured the TCPIP.    Thanks   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:54:45 +0000 (UTC) < From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)( Subject: Re: Internet Browser on OpenVMS) Message-ID: <dq5g25$jfq$1@news.BelWue.DE>   m In article <1137064916.653796.37570@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "pbritto" <britto.paulo@gmail.com> writes: G >I have just installed the OpenVMS and I want to download files off the 6 >internet using internet browser. I've got 2 problems:A > 1) My internet server is Microsoft DHCP, this is the only Alpha  >station in the company;9 > 2) I don't have a CD with a Internet Browser installed; > > 3) My network interface is configured for static IP Address. > G >Is it possible to access the internet through this MS internet server?   J This I don't understand. Whether a computer can connect to the Internet or8 not is a matter of the IP-address it has and the wiring.  8 >And what internet browser is commonly used for OpenVMS?  F There is Mozilla (together with a supported variant from HP) and Lynx.  M >I've got the TCPIP configured, I can ftp Windows 2000 machines but I haven't 9 >seen any DHCP configuration when I configured the TCPIP.   N What kind of a static address do you actually have? Which TCP/IP stack are you using on OpenVMS?    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:53:46 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> ( Subject: Re: Internet Browser on OpenVMS= Message-ID: <43c6434a$0$78282$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>    pbritto wrote:H > I have just installed the OpenVMS and I want to download files off the7 > internet using internet browser. I've got 2 problems: B >  1) My internet server is Microsoft DHCP, this is the only Alpha > station in the company; : >  2) I don't have a CD with a Internet Browser installed;? >  3) My network interface is configured for static IP Address.  > H > Is it possible to access the internet through this MS internet server?F > And what internet browser is commonly used for OpenVMS? I've got theF > TCPIP configured, I can ftp Windows 2000 machines but I haven't seen5 > any DHCP configuration when I configured the TCPIP.  >  > Thanks  G Static IP addresses can coexist with addresses from DHCP.  You need to  H make your network manager allocate a static address for you on the DHCP E server.  You will also have to ask him what the network mask is, and  G must likely, you will also need to ask him for the IP addresses of the   DNS server and the router.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2006 13:58:16 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)( Subject: Re: Internet Browser on OpenVMS, Message-ID: <43c66078$1@news.langstoeger.at>  h In article <dq5g25$jfq$1@news.BelWue.DE>, gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes:G >There is Mozilla (together with a supported variant from HP) and Lynx.   H MOZILLA is no longer. Only (the HP supported variant) CSWB is there now.B MOZILLA for VMS ended with M1.7 (I think), CSWB is at V1.7-11 now.  : 	http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/ips/cswb/  * LYNX and MOSAIC freeware is there as well.  9 	http://www.openvms.digital.com/freeware/freeware70/lynx/ ; 	http://www.openvms.digital.com/freeware/freeware70/mosaic/   K Hopefully someone/HP ports FIREFOX (and THUNDERBIRD) as well, but don't bet M on it (and if they do, we may loose CSWB then => no more CHATZILLA on VMS ;-)    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2006 05:08:02 -0800( From: "pbritto" <britto.paulo@gmail.com>( Subject: Re: Internet Browser on OpenVMSB Message-ID: <1137071282.731760.89490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  D Yeh, regard to the first, indeed it doesn't make sense. But when you8 say TCP/IP stack I am using? if I am using UCX or TCPIP?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:25:36 +0100 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> ( Subject: Re: Internet Browser on OpenVMS, Message-ID: <42napaF1j7oggU2@individual.net>  7 On 2006-01-12 13:58, "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" wrote:      > [...]  > M > Hopefully someone/HP ports FIREFOX (and THUNDERBIRD) as well, but don't bet O > on it (and if they do, we may loose CSWB then => no more CHATZILLA on VMS ;-)   F The new "Mozilla Suite Application" is called "SeaMonkey"; for details8 see <http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/> please.   Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:38:28 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> , Subject: RE: Java 1.4.2 installation problemR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB773BD9@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----< > From: Stanley F. Quayle [mailto:squayle@insight.rr.com]=20 > Sent: January 8, 2006 8:49 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com * > Subject: Java 1.4.2 installation problem >=20G > I have just installed the latest Java from the HP web site (the 142p- , > 2 kit) and always get the following error:  	 [snip...]    Stan,   E Not related to your problem, but just to clarify, the latest Java kit * for OpenVMS is V5.0-1 and is available at:% http://h18012.www1.hp.com/java/alpha/   ( The latest 1.4 kit version is 1.4.2-4.P5   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:12:34 +0100 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> @ Subject: Re: Licenses in a cluster (nodes know about each other), Message-ID: <42napaF1j7oggU1@individual.net>  & On 2006-01-11 21:39, "JF Mezei" wrote:   > [...]  > G > The licence I have for the 4000-600 is titled "OPENVMS Unlimited User %                              ^^^^^^^^  > Licence VAX 4500A"           ^^^^^^^^^   @ Typo? AFAIR "unlimited" licenses (VAX only) are system-specific.   > [...]    Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:27:44 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> Subject: Re: OSX using VMS NFS5 Message-ID: <120120061148512656%paul.anderson@hp.com>   B In article <dq4kn902io4@enews2.newsguy.com>, <healyzh@aracnet.com> wrote:  G > Now my only problem looks to be translating the GID/UID numbers on my D > Mac to my user account on the VMS box.  Time to figure out what isE > wrong with how I have the Proxy set.  Shouldn't the following allow E > me to access a directory I own?  I have the GID and UID set to what  > they are THE_MAC.  > = > VMS User_name     Type      User_ID    Group_ID   Host_name 5 >                                                     ; > HEALYZH           OND           999         999   THE_MAC   A You also have to map the 0,0 GID/UID to the TCPIP$NOBODY account.        $ tcpip show proxy  ?     VMS User_name     Type      User_ID    Group_ID   Host_name   ?     ANDERSON          OND           999         999   MACOFFICE ?     TCPIP$NOBODY      OND             0           0   MACOFFICE    Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:47:59 +0000  From: bradhamilton@comcast.netC Subject: OT - VMS Chat Client (was:Re: Internet Browser on OpenVMS) g Message-ID: <011220061347.21468.43C65E0E000EE353000053DC220073483002019B0407030E080B0E9D0D@comcast.net>    [...] O > Hopefully someone/HP ports FIREFOX (and THUNDERBIRD) as well, but don't > bet P > on it (and if they do, we may loose CSWB then => no more CHATZILLA on >VMS ;-)   There is a separate chat client (EPIC) which works on VMS (character cell only).  I don't have a reference handy, but I suppose Googling for EPIC may help.  Thanks to the kind folks at the "Deathrow cluster" for pointing it out to me.     ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:21:41 GMT + From: Robert Boers <r_boers@softresint.com> - Subject: Re: OT: time to market with the 8086 * Message-ID: <43c61192$1@news.deckpoint.ch>   Bob Koehler wrote:f > In article <43C4D48C.26882.1D4A40F1@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> writes: > , >>On 11 Jan 2006 at 7:52, Bob Koehler wrote: >>. >>>   There is a Charon-VAX for OpenVMS Alpha.I >>>   But it is extreemly limited compard to what is offered for Windows.  >>H >>Actually, the latest product series emulates VAX 6610 through 6660 (6 @ >>processor SMP), and is available for both Windows *and* Alpha. >> >  > 5 >    That's good news.  Can I get Pico-VAX for Alpha?  >  Bob,  # You can download it from this page: @ http://www.softresint.com/charon-vax/Tools_and_tips.htm#freeware% It is now called CHARON-VAX/Freeware.    Regards, Robert    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:09:56 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> - Subject: Re: OT: time to market with the 8086 = Message-ID: <43c65524$0$67260$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>    Tom Linden wrote: 9 > On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:49:00 -0500, Stanley F. Quayle   ! > <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote:  > H >> Actually, the latest product series emulates VAX 6610 through 6660 (6A >> processor SMP), and is available for both Windows *and* Alpha.  >  > ? > I am aware of quad boards, e.g., Tynan, who makes Hex boards?   G Tyan let you put two quad boards for opteron together, so that you get   an 8 socket system.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:21:36 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>- Subject: Re: OT: time to market with the 8086 > Message-ID: <AJsxf.119452$vl2.71018@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   Karsten Nyblad wrote:    > I > Tyan let you put two quad boards for opteron together, so that you get   > an 8 socket system.   B And IBM support a 32 socket Xeon system with their own X3 chipset. --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:08:32 +0100 ( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>- Subject: Re: OT: time to market with the 8086 3 Message-ID: <000101c61781$abf2e480$994614ac@wat153>    Hello, Karsten Nyblad wrotes: >>> G Tyan let you put two quad boards for opteron together, so that you get   an 8 socket system.  <<< F And with dual core, you will have a 16way system. Another question is,4 will Charon VAX run on a virtual system like VMware? Best regards R. Wingert    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2006 12:03:32 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - Subject: Re: OT: time to market with the 8086 3 Message-ID: <I0tU6zrQ2CvS@eisner.encompasserve.org>   s In article <43c58368$0$197$edfadb0f@dread16.news.tele.dk>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:   5 > The high level GUI should not depend on the machine  > architecture.   C    The operative word is "should".  Programmers can put in a lot of %    unecessary dependencies sometimes.   E    And the non-BSD part of MacOS has hooks deep into the file system, D    which is a little more likely to get byte order dependent.  (OS X    isn't running on ufs).    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2006 07:42:32 -0800 From: mail@sanface.com Subject: PLUG: txt2pdf 8.5C Message-ID: <1137080552.708959.124140@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   . We would like to announce txt2pdf 8.5 version.# http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html E txt2pdf is shareware; it is a very flexible and powerful Perl5 script B that converts text files to PDF format files, so you can use it in> every operating systems supported by Perl5, including OpenVMS.( Remember to read "txt2pdf on OpenVMS" at# http://www.sanface.com/openvms.html ; It's simple to design background like invoices, orders etc. ) Here nice examples made using txt2pdf PRO - http://www.sanface.com/pdf/Purchase_Order.pdf ) http://www.sanface.com/pdf/oldinvoice.pdf $ http://www.sanface.com/pdf/hfmus.pdf) http://www.sanface.com/pdf/heraldbill.pdf @ If you prefer we also distribute executables for Windows, Linux,E Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, and Mac OS X. Inside the Windows version you can  find a VB GUI: Visual txt2pdf.   What's new in this versionF Support for Czech. (If you want different languages or different fonts< for the supported languages contact us sanface@sanface.com).   Test txt2pdf 8.5! 6 You can find it at http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:58:24 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> K Subject: Re: Search loop gets file while still being written - How to avoid 1 Message-ID: <A0vxf.1534$gC2.948@news.cpqcorp.net>    norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: F  > The search loop is finding the ".dat" files beginning with "FI" andH  > appending them to another file.  In this case FILE_02.dat;1 was stillH  > being written into the USERAREA logical directory when the f$search()  > procedure found it.E  > Is there a way to just skip such a file or files within the DCL IF !  > structure without it breaking?   G What about adding a step of renaming the incoming files to a different  A name (or into a different directory) once they're finished being  C written. That way your $SEARCH won't find a file until it has been  : renamed, which will be after it is finished being written.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:47:58 -0500  From: norm.raphael@metso.comK Subject: Re: Search loop gets file while still being written - How to avoid Q Message-ID: <OF5268F65E.4EBAFD5D-ON852570F4.005BC81B-852570F4.005C4100@metso.com>   H Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote on 01/12/2006 10:58:24 AM:    > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: H >  > The search loop is finding the ".dat" files beginning with "FI" andJ >  > appending them to another file.  In this case FILE_02.dat;1 was stillJ >  > being written into the USERAREA logical directory when the f$search() >  > procedure found it.G >  > Is there a way to just skip such a file or files within the DCL IF # >  > structure without it breaking?  > H > What about adding a step of renaming the incoming files to a differentB > name (or into a different directory) once they're finished beingD > written. That way your $SEARCH won't find a file until it has been< > renamed, which will be after it is finished being written.  E Well, aside from the fact that these files are coming it via ftp to a I windows server, being renamed there, the being transferred to the OpenVMS I system (and renamed right after on the windows system), and there renamed 1 *after* I append them (which is quite enough)....   D Is there any guarantee that a race condition will not occur with the6 procedure to rename them or the directory they are in?  E Actually, we have rejiggered the window when they are copied onto the @ OpenVMS system so as to practically eliminate the race conflict.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:13:46 +0000 ! From: Baldrick <none@[127.0.0.1]>  Subject: Re: sho proc/mem ' Message-ID: <dq5h60$riq$1@lore.csc.com>    flamingomn@hotmail.com wrote: D > Does anyone know of a way to do the command "$ sho proc/mem " on a1 > process other than the one you are logged into?  > I > I am in a fully proved account and do the above on this process with no 
 > problem.< > BUT when I try to put process name or pid I get the below: > 4 >           %SHOW-E-CONFQUAL, conflicting qualifiers > E > We are experiencing some memory probelms and mgmt wants to know how H > much memory each user is using.  Would the last column in a "$sho sys" > output be enough?  >  > thanks !  ann   D More to this than meets the eye, or the current responses address...  I So you are expecting memory problems, so where exactly are you expecting  F these? process private, process buffer space? system buffer space(s)?  global shared? virtual?   I VMS by default, remember that the V is for virtual, and M is for memory,  F   S is for system so the whole concept is that VMS looks after itself I with the conditions that present themselves and copes best it can, based  F on the other demands by the rest of the users of the system. Bit long E winded but as a very wise man once said to me "don't invent trouble".   G Your SHOW SYSTEM display does not necessarily give you the full story,  B and I don't think it's wise I embark on discussing the difference G between global and local memory, and the system buffer regions and the  C process buffer regions, but suffice to say that it is not straight   forward as a SHOW command.  I You can access the information using F$GETJPI and the PID of the process  B in question, and I've seen a few examples (and I've written a few H myself) of DCL procedures which display the numbers available, but what D you don't have the overall visibility of, is the way the shared and D pooled memory is behaving because it is not process specific, it is I system specific, related to the way other process are also accessing and    using those same shared regions.  G This is not to say its impossible, but that it is probably more bother  I than it is worth. You can walk the memory structures in SDA quite easily  F but if a process is active, you will only be looking at a snapshot in G time. Even then there is an element of Schroedinger's Cat that looking  E at the memory structures of a process does in fact change them (i.e.  A cause a page fault where there was none and may never have been).   I MONITOR is your friend here to gather the data to analyze, and of course  I just wait and see if the expected performance, end to end (i.e. from RUN  D to the delivery of the results whatever that may be) and if that is  timely, why worry?  H The command behaviour you are seeing is expected, that the SHOW command H isn't currently coded to display the combination of information you are I looking for, but I suspect you're trying to look for a problem which may   not even exist.    Hope this helps    --  E Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. Car Park Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2006 08:52:41 -08007 From: "flamingomn@hotmail.com" <flamingomn@hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: sho proc/mem C Message-ID: <1137084761.003924.119640@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   F THANKS for the responses.  It's great to know that there are still VMS gurus out there !!  G We're having a problem with physical memory.  I believe it's because we B have a HUGE (34+million block) that is being accessed.  Once it isE finished transferring, it will be deleted and *I* am sure the problem 
 will go away.   ? It all started last week when the system crashed because it had @ extended to the limit and ran out of resources.  We modified theG MIN_NPAGEDYN, MIN_NPAGEVIR and MIN_MAXPROCESSCNT and have run autogen a  couple of times.  G The vendor for the application wasn't written for as large use as we're < using it for and we're fearing a memory leak somewhere also.  C Mgmt wants to look at the users to see if anyone is doing something A that is causing the memory to go down so fast and extend so much.   F But I ramble .... I'm going with the theory that once I can get rid of0 this HUGE file, things will go back to 'normal'.   Thanks for the tips though !   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:11:13 -0500 + From: Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> 5 Subject: tcpip set service ftp/reject=host=ip_address 5 Message-ID: <dq5o2g$sdk$1@mailhub227.itcs.purdue.edu>   E If I enter in this command with a specific ip address to permanently   reject the ip,? how do I allow it again if I entered in the command by mistake?    Thanks.  Chuck    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2006 16:23:20 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)9 Subject: Re: tcpip set service ftp/reject=host=ip_address * Message-ID: <43c68278@news.langstoeger.at>  y In article <1137078364.386733.192490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "dpm_google@myths.com" <dpm_google@myths.com> writes: 1 >$ TCPIP SET SERVICE FTP /ACCEPT=HOST=xx.xx.xx.xx   N No. You can't use/specify /ACCEPT or /REJECT (for positive or negative method)# at the same time. One or the other.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2006 16:16:06 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)9 Subject: Re: tcpip set service ftp/reject=host=ip_address , Message-ID: <43c680c6$1@news.langstoeger.at>  c In article <dq5o2g$sdk$1@mailhub227.itcs.purdue.edu>, Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> writes: F >If I enter in this command with a specific ip address to permanently  >reject the ip, @ >how do I allow it again if I entered in the command by mistake?  0 $ TCPIP SET SERVICE FTP/REJECT=NOHOST=ip_address   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2006 07:06:04 -08003 From: "dpm_google@myths.com" <dpm_google@myths.com> 9 Subject: Re: tcpip set service ftp/reject=host=ip_address C Message-ID: <1137078364.386733.192490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   0 $ TCPIP SET SERVICE FTP /ACCEPT=HOST=xx.xx.xx.xx   ok dpm    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2006 09:21:16 -08003 From: "dpm_google@myths.com" <dpm_google@myths.com> 9 Subject: Re: tcpip set service ftp/reject=host=ip_address C Message-ID: <1137086476.213940.298960@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   F My suggestion was a standalone command, which seemed to be what he was asking for.    ok dpm    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:22:44 -0500 4 From: "Ed Vogel" <edward.vogel@stopppingspam.hp.com>; Subject: Re: unable to stop the C compiler from complaining , Message-ID: <43c66636$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  ( <dpm_google@myths.com> wrote in message = news:1137014265.917014.321930@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... < > Why can I not shut the compiler up about certain warnings?8 > I'm using HP C V7.1-011-50EAE on OpenVMS XAV1-D2Y, and< > both the command line qualifier and the pragma are failing+ > to prevent messages from being signalled.   >     Can you post a small program that demonstates the problem?       Ed Vogel/     HP/Compaq/DEC C/C++ for OpenVMS Engineering    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:52:39 +0000 ! From: Baldrick <none@[127.0.0.1]> " Subject: Re: VMS toll free numbers' Message-ID: <dq5jen$rpd$1@lore.csc.com>    Stanley F. Quayle wrote:  G > 1-800-OPENVMS is owned by a company that sells 800 number services.   E > They would be "glad" to give it to me for $10,000 or so.  HP could  1 > afford that, but it was a little pricey for me.   E I guess the real question is what else do the numbers 673 6867 spell?   G > Most toll-free numbers with "CHARON" in them are owned by a big porn   > company, so that's out...   ) Ditto, but probably not worth the effort.   C I guess there already is a tool that you put the numbers in and it  E coughs out pronounceable words. Or is it just the way the mind works?   F Perhaps it's a cue for something written in DCL! It could always read H the password dictionary data for some clues to words, and you too could I buy up a number and be "glad" sell to the highest payer. Sounds too much   like internet domain sitting...   G Oh, and not to worry you or anything but I know some phone keypads had  F different key-letter assignments for SMS purposes. It may be standard G now, but one phone I have uses the 0 as the space, the other uses the #   5 Have you tried 073 6867 or doesn't it work like that?    What about "Oh" PEN "VE" MS ?    080 - 0 736 8367  = If it's alright by you, I'll probably just dial the number...   H Some years back in the UK the trend was to get 0800 numbers with number E patterns (we used to use just 6 but it is a mixture of 6 and 7 digit  C now) and I once tried to get a specific number, but there wasn't a  H holding company, you just got it off the service provider. When you got D a number they used to come back with "helpful" ideas to present the I number by grouping the numbers. One currently in use is 444999, which is  H by an organisation posing themselves as the 4th emergency services, but E that doesn't work to many unless it was transcribed 444911, and that  0 would probably get you a double glazing company.  I Well if anyone does come up with a DCL routine or program, post it here.  I It'll be an interesting alternative to running SETI, "try to discover if  ) there is intelligent life on Earth" ! :-)  --  E Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. Car Park Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:06:14 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>" Subject: Re: VMS toll free numbers. Message-ID: <43C61C06.21093.421F98F@localhost>  ( On 12 Jan 2006 at 12:52, Baldrick wrote:G > I guess the real question is what else do the numbers 673 6867 spell?   B It must have spelled something else to someone.  Or it might have ? been a randomly-assigned number.  No way to tell at this point.   D > I guess there already is a tool that you put the numbers in and it! > coughs out pronounceable words.   E No, you start with words and get a number with the right digits.  If  C you'd like to play with the possibilities, www.tollfreenumbers.com  F has a search tool.  You enter 4 words and an email address, and it'll D send you a bunch of possibilities that are available, or might soon 
 be available.   F It must hook into google or something, since it discovered that "VMS" @ was software, and gave me alternatives including "software" and  "unix" in the possibilities.  H > Oh, and not to worry you or anything but I know some phone keypads hadG > different key-letter assignments for SMS purposes. It may be standard G > now, but one phone I have uses the 0 as the space, the other uses the  > #   D If you did need a space, 0 would probably work, since # isn't valid < in a US phone number.  But there is no standard, to be sure.   > What about "Oh" PEN "VE" MS ?   > That seems unlikely to be meaningful, or at least unlikely to 	 remember.   ? > If it's alright by you, I'll probably just dial the number...   D Well, you have to do that (in the US) for names that include "Q" or E "Z", since they don't appear on keypads for phones made prior to the  D 1980's.  So, 1-800-SQUAYLE isn't a viable option.  And, hey, no one  can spell "Quayle" anyway.  LOL   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------8 Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  Toll free: 1-888-I-LUV-VAX3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2006 06:16:44 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>" Subject: Re: VMS toll free numbersC Message-ID: <1137075404.228433.115250@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Stanley F. Quayle wrote:E > I thought a memorable toll-free number would help my consulting and - > CHARON-VAX business, so I did some digging.  > E > 1-800-OPENVMS is owned by a company that sells 800 number services. D > They would be "glad" to give it to me for $10,000 or so.  HP could1 > afford that, but it was a little pricey for me.  > F > Most toll-free numbers with "CHARON" in them are owned by a big porn > company, so that's out...  > G > Since VAX is important to me, and because no one knows what "OpenVMS" 3 > is anyway, I got the following toll-free numbers:  > + >   1-888-VAX-VMS-8		for general consulting / >   1-888-I-LUV-VAX		for my CHARON-VAX business  > D > These numbers are pointed to my office line, but aren't set up forE > use throughout North America yet.  Should be on-line in a few days.  > @ > There are other numbers with VAX and VMS available.  If you'reF > interested, try tollfreenumbers.com, which will search the toll-free > database.  >  > --Stan Quayle  > Quayle Consulting Inc. >  > ----------: > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  Toll free: 1-888-I-LUV-VAX5 > 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 2 > stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com+ > "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"     	 How about        1-800-VMS-PLUTO    ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:53:00 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>" Subject: Re: VMS toll free numbers- Message-ID: <43C626FC.9208.44CC8D5@localhost>   " On 12 Jan 2006 at 6:16, AEF wrote: > How about  >  >     1-800-VMS-PLUTO   ! Results from tollfreenumbers.com:   	C 800-VMS-PLUT 	Active since 2003 with Pilgrim Telephone 617-225-7000 C 888-VMS-PLUT 	Active since 2000 with Pilgrim Telephone 617-225-7000 = 877-VMS-PLUT 	Active since 2003 with PrimeTel (phone sex co.) = 866-VMS-PLUT 	Active since 2000 with PrimeTel (phone sex co.)    Sorry -- not available...   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------8 Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  Toll free: 1-888-I-LUV-VAX3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2006 07:31:37 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>" Subject: Re: VMS toll free numbersB Message-ID: <1137079896.949496.69480@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Stanley F. Quayle wrote:$ > On 12 Jan 2006 at 6:16, AEF wrote:
 > > How about  > >  > >     1-800-VMS-PLUTO  > # > Results from tollfreenumbers.com:  > E > 800-VMS-PLUT 	Active since 2003 with Pilgrim Telephone 617-225-7000 E > 888-VMS-PLUT 	Active since 2000 with Pilgrim Telephone 617-225-7000 ? > 877-VMS-PLUT 	Active since 2003 with PrimeTel (phone sex co.) ? > 866-VMS-PLUT 	Active since 2000 with PrimeTel (phone sex co.)  >  > Sorry -- not available...  >  > --Stan Quayle  > Quayle Consulting Inc.     Bummer.   + OK, I just checked the obvious alternative:   C 866-PLU-TOVM    CURRENTLY AVAILABLE - Immediate ACTIVATION - 15 day  Reservation   B But VMSPLUTO sounds a lot better. Try and grab it when 855 becomes
 available!   AEF    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.024 ************************