0 INFO-VAX	Fri, 13 Jan 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 25      Contents: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL Re: Alpha last order date  Re: Alpha last order date  Re: Alpha last order date  Re: Alpha last order date  Re: Alpha last order date  Re: Alpha last order date  Re: Alpha last order date  Re: Alpha last order date 6 Re: Dave Cutler (was OT: time to market with the 8086)! Experiences using GCU$BALANCER.C? " Farewell to a good reliable friend& Re: Farewell to a good reliable friend Re: HP's strategy explained :  Re: HP's strategy explained :  Re: HP's strategy explained :  Re: Internet Browser on OpenVMS P Oracle Rdb Product Family Production Release 7.2 for OpenVMS Itanium(r)-Based an Re: OSX using VMS NFS  Re: OSX using VMS NFS  Re: sho proc/mem2 Re: unable to stop the C compiler from complaining  Re: UNIX shm* functions for VMS?( VMS TCPIP NFS (novice filesystem sharer)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:42:14 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> # Subject: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL , Message-ID: <43C6DB42.22762C00@teksavvy.com>   Guy Peleg wrote:K > Adding full 64-bit support to DCL is something I would like to do at some  > point.  E An there I was, expecting you to announce that you had implemented 64 E bit support in DCL during your lunch hour with patches available from . 7.2 onwards for both VAX and Alpha :-) :-) :-)    M > are now limited to 32-bits, 64 bit support will need to be implemented in a ; > way that will not break compatiblity with prior releases.     " Actually, is it really a problem ?  E Based on my understanding, DCL decides on the type of symbol based on G the value you are trying to assign to it. Why not simply test to see if A the value is greater than 32 bits and if so, store it as a 64 bit : integer, otheriwse store it as 32 bit integer or string ?   G The other change would be SHOW SYMBOL which would have to be changed to G show 64 bit values. And you'd also have to autoconvert 32 bit values to N 64 bit values when manipulating 2 symbols when one of those is a 64 bit value.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:48:09 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net># Subject: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL + Message-ID: <43C714E9.7CCE67E3@comcast.net>    Guy Peleg wrote: >  > [snip]K > Adding full 64-bit support to DCL is something I would like to do at some  > point. > N > As John R. said, it is not a trivial task. The biggest challenge is symbols,
 > all symbols M > are now limited to 32-bits, 64 bit support will need to be implemented in a 
 > way that2 > will not break compatiblity with prior releases.  H When you say that, I'm assuming you mean DCL proc.'s that expect "large"G values to appear as negative numbers. 64 bit integers would break that,  wouldn't they?  F I have a proc. like that. It accepts an integer value; if the value isE between 1 and 65535 inclusive, display it as a DECnet address; if the A value is greater than 65535 or is less than zero, convert it to a B dotted-decimal IP address. It will also accept a string value likeE "1.10" or "10.1.100.52" and display the integer equivalent in decimal B and hex. (That is, it converts between DECnet and SCSSYSTEMID, and1 between Hex and dotted decimal for IP addresses.)   ! That said, with dawn of IPV6, ...   F How 'bout adding implicit/explicit declaration as a way of adding them% while keeping 32 bits as the default?    Some suggested implementations:   = $ quad_word[0,64] = 0		! Implicitly declares/sizes the symbol   < $ DECLARE[/[GLOBAL|LOCAL]] -		! Init.'s to zeroes by default8 	QUADWORD=(QUAD1,QUAD1,QUAD3),-	! Three symbols, 64 bits: 	FLOAT=(FLOAT1,FLOAT2,FLOAT3)	! Three symbols, IEEE floats  @ /LOCAL would make a good default, and /LOCAL or /GLOBAL could beC positional: adjacent to DECLARE, they apply to all symbols DECLAREd = unless the opposite qualifier is adjacent to the symbol list.   : $ string_sym := SAMPLE STRING		! Dynamic string by default5 $ set symbol string_sym/string=fixed	! Make it fixed.   ( > May be a post V8.3 project....maybe...  - ...but please, back-port where ever possible!    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:14:57 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> # Subject: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL , Message-ID: <43C71B1C.F3E4A6AC@teksavvy.com>  P If backward compatibility is needed, then put a switch to enable 64 bit support.  E Either some SET DCL/64bit  command, or some lexican where the command A procedure could store the current 64 bit setting, set full 64 bit / support, and then restore the previous setting.   F This way, existing command procedures would continue to work in 32 bit, mode because they don't invoke that lexical.  E And once you have 64 bit support, imagine the lexicals you can add to  provide good date/time support.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2006 22:00:45 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) # Subject: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL 3 Message-ID: <xmqPVX0p0fuS@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <43C6DB42.22762C00@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  G > Based on my understanding, DCL decides on the type of symbol based on I > the value you are trying to assign to it. Why not simply test to see if C > the value is greater than 32 bits and if so, store it as a 64 bit < > integer, otheriwse store it as 32 bit integer or string ?   # Current behavior must be preserved:    $ a=%x7fffffff $ b=a+a+a+a  $ show sym b.   B = -4   Hex = FFFFFFFC  Octal = 37777777774   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Jan 2006 18:59:41 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)" Subject: Re: Alpha last order date, Message-ID: <42nn8tF1jpi81U1@individual.net>  9 In article <q5xxf.36946$0y2.1854@bignews2.bellsouth.net>, F 	"David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> writes:. > What ever happened to the good ol' Britcoms? > 
 > Porridge > It ain't arf 'ot mum > Oppopen All Hours  >   > Are they still on TV in the UK > & > Always loved the Two Ronnies as well  E What ever became of Tom and Barbara Good?  Now that was real comedy!! ' Not like this Seinfeld or Raymond crap.   C I guess a sub thread to this discussion would be has anyone been in 0 more differnt Britcoms than Penelope Kieth.  :-)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:16:22 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>" Subject: Re: Alpha last order date, Message-ID: <42no86F1jcevpU1@individual.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:; > In article <q5xxf.36946$0y2.1854@bignews2.bellsouth.net>, H > 	"David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> writes: > . >>What ever happened to the good ol' Britcoms? >>
 >>Porridge >>It ain't arf 'ot mum >>Oppopen All Hours  >>  >>Are they still on TV in the UK >>& >>Always loved the Two Ronnies as well >  > G > What ever became of Tom and Barbara Good?  Now that was real comedy!! ) > Not like this Seinfeld or Raymond crap.  > E > I guess a sub thread to this discussion would be has anyone been in 2 > more differnt Britcoms than Penelope Kieth.  :-) >   " Here's what the BBC have to offer:  ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/talent/k/keith_penelope.shtml    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:38:30 -0500 C From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> " Subject: Re: Alpha last order date< Message-ID: <d%yxf.168628$aS5.153982@bignews4.bellsouth.net>   She was kinda cute  I But as Tim Brook Taylor used to say - Felicity Kendall had a "really nice  bottom"    :0)    --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X252  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   5 "Paul Sture" <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> wrote in message & news:42no86F1jcevpU1@individual.net... > Bill Gunshannon wrote:= > > In article <q5xxf.36946$0y2.1854@bignews2.bellsouth.net>, I > > "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> writes:  > > 0 > >>What ever happened to the good ol' Britcoms? > >> > >>Porridge > >>It ain't arf 'ot mum > >>Oppopen All Hours  > >>" > >>Are they still on TV in the UK > >>( > >>Always loved the Two Ronnies as well > >  > > I > > What ever became of Tom and Barbara Good?  Now that was real comedy!! + > > Not like this Seinfeld or Raymond crap.  > > G > > I guess a sub thread to this discussion would be has anyone been in 4 > > more differnt Britcoms than Penelope Kieth.  :-) > >  > $ > Here's what the BBC have to offer: > A > http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/talent/k/keith_penelope.shtml    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2006 21:30:29 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)" Subject: Re: Alpha last order date, Message-ID: <43c6ca75$1@news.langstoeger.at>   In article <qavxf.124975$k76.58101@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> writes: 6 >I'll need more information Configuration requirements >  >Email me directly please    Sure. In 2007 then ;-)   -Peter  % PS: Who to blame ? Was the joke bad ? < Or did you a better joke which in turn I didn't understand ? --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:53:11 -0700 4 From: Norman Lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>" Subject: Re: Alpha last order date* Message-ID: <43C6C1B7.CC14BA58@oracle.com>  > old news.  been in the VMS V8.2 release notes for a long time.M http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/6674/6674pro_retired.html#lastshipalpha    JF Mezei wrote:  > H > In case you need some official statement from HP about last order date > for Alphas, it is at:  > 9 > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/planning2005.html  > D > October 27 2006. But It does say that options and upgrades will be > available until Nov 2 2007.  > G > (So if you have a DS10 and want to upgrade to an ES40, does this mean I > that you have until Nov 2 2007, or do upgrades refer only to in-cabinet  > board swaps ?    --  	 - - - - - 0  opinions expressed here are mine and mine alone.  and certainly are not intended in any way to 0  express or represent any opinions or commitment  of oracle corporation.   *  norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:20:01 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>" Subject: Re: Alpha last order date, Message-ID: <42nvg2F1jqlckU1@individual.net>  - David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:   D "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message & news:43c68371$1@news.langstoeger.at...  M >> Super. How much for a GS1280 M16 with 2GHz EV79 or 3GHz EV7A CPUs (16GB) ?  >> >> SCNR   7 > I'll need more information Configuration requirements  >  > Email me directly please >    Whoops David...   " SCNR = Sorry Could Not Resist. :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:20:18 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> " Subject: Re: Alpha last order date0 Message-ID: <11sdsi48mp9qe23@corp.supernews.com>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: > In article <qavxf.124975$k76.58101@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> writes:  > 7 >>I'll need more information Configuration requirements  >> >>Email me directly please >  >  > Sure. In 2007 then ;-) >  > -Peter > ' > PS: Who to blame ? Was the joke bad ? > > Or did you a better joke which in turn I didn't understand ?  0 Brace yourself, and be sure you're sitting down.  I In order to supply the requested systems, David is going to reconstitute  G the Alpha development team, build his own FAB, and purchase all things   VMS, VAX, and Alpha from HP.  = Oh, and the entire cost will be reflected on your quote.  :-)    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2006 19:44:47 -0800* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>" Subject: Re: Alpha last order dateC Message-ID: <1137123887.133518.161930@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Alan Greig wrote: / > David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote: 0 > > What ever happened to the good ol' Britcoms? > >  > > Porridge >  > 1 > Btw, the new Series of Doctor Who is excellent.   G I probably should add "Last of the Summer Wine" is still in production, D about to enter Season 27 (began 1973 but has taken the odd year off)G and is the world's longest runnning sitcom. Although not the funniest I G have to admit its "sunday night" gentle humour still keeps me smiling - ' even if it is the same joke every week.   D Away from comedy "The Sky at Night" (first show April 1957) is stillE running with the original presenter Patrick Moore (now 82) and is the E longest running tv show/presenter (other than the news) in the world.   G Doctor Who will run on BBC America or the Sci-Fi channel once they stop G arguing. The BBC can't give it to BBC America while there is a possible G commercial sale to a US channel. The Sci-Fi channel continues to say it F is interested but won't pay what the BBC are asking, My bet is the BBCF won't wait much longer so either the Sci-Fi channel pays up or it runs on BBC America later this year.   E The BBC used to make extensive use of VMS. Sorry for pathetic attempt  to get back on topic. :-)      --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Jan 2006 19:10:23 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)? Subject: Re: Dave Cutler (was OT: time to market with the 8086) , Message-ID: <42nnsvF1jpi81U2@individual.net>  3 In article <1pi7R6b8bjzi@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:h > In article <0zhxf.28480$Pq4.238410@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:
 >> <quote> >>  O >> "Given your interest in VMS you might find this amusing. In the early 1990's M >> we visited Microsoft to try to ensure that their new OS "Windows NT" would N >> be available on IA32. We met with Dave Cutler, and he was adamant that IA32L >> was doomed and would we please get lost so he could target Alpha and thenL >> whatever 64-bit architecture was certain to replace IA32 by Intel. It wasI >> not a polite disagreement; that guy HATED IA32 and wasn't reluctant to H >> transfer his displeasure to IA32's representatives (us). What an ugly( >> business meeting. Smart guy, though." >>   >> </quote>  > H >    IA32 is a hack on top of a kludge to get a 32 bit system running on: >    a 16 bit system that's based on an 8 bit architecure. > H >    It's ugly and it should have died in its 16 bit days, but some foolJ >    wrote a useable C compiler for it, which convinced IBM they could use! >    it for "personal" computers.   E Funny, my personal rememberences from that time period are more along F the line that the decision to use Intel was based entirely on CPU chipH supply issues.  Motorolla would not (could not?) commit to providing theD volume to IBM at the expense of their other users that IBM demanded. Intel had no problem with it.   G If it had been a C compiler issue, IBM would have used the M68K as they E already had a system based on that CPU running Unix before the PC was  even designed.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:01:38 GMT  From: Jim Duff <jim@127.0.0.1>* Subject: Experiences using GCU$BALANCER.C?H Message-ID: <6nHxf.252199$qk4.158149@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>   Group,  G to balance some overnight batch workloads, we are considering using the F code supplied in SYS$EXAMPLES:GCU$BALANCER.C on our galaxy partitioned GS160s.   F I have modified the code to use SYS$GETRMI as opposed to accessing theE COM queues via the kernel mode routine supplied with the program, and H have added some additional error checking, but other than that I haven't! changed any of the functionality.   G I would be interested to hear of other's experiences running this code,  good or bad.   Thanks,  Jim.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:05:39 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: Farewell to a good reliable friend , Message-ID: <43C726FB.1C34BCEE@teksavvy.com>  E Tonight, after over 18 years of service, I switched off my all mighty H MicrovaxII. This morning, the princess lea ears (side panels) were takenM by the municipal rubbish removal folks. That signaled the point of no return.   H For all the badmouthing of the All Mighty Microvax II, this little beastG with only 16 megs of memory ran VMS 7.2, TCPIP Services 5.09, ALL-IN-1, B Message Router and other stuff as well. It is a tribute to the VMSH engineers that VMS could still run on an 18 year old platform. (and also& a tribute to a 100k block pagefile :-)     B This little beast began life serving 12 people in an office with aF measly RD54 152 meg drive (I still have it and it still works). But inG the end, it sported 2 SCSI drives totalling 11 gigs of disk storage and  serving only me :-)   E I do plan on keeping the cabinet (without the side panels) to put new 1 machines in and keep the routers/modems/sitches.    H And its system drive was cloned to the surviving system, so in a way, my original MVII lives on.   E I do plan to keep the 2 BA23 cabinets and make it possible to boot it B off the ethernet should be needed.  And the main cabinet and power distribution box will live on.  H And while I may keep my all mighty Microvax II in working order, it doesH now allow me to take my space MVII's board and frame it, something whichH used to be illegal in the days where Digital would require a Microvax II* be physically destroyed during an upgrade.    ? I would have liked to keep it alive longer, but space and power F consumption issues forced me to give up keeping it alive.  (as well asG the fact that i need its SCSI disks to replace the older DSSI drives in  my new machines).    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:19:12 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> / Subject: Re: Farewell to a good reliable friend 1 Message-ID: <dq79om$b60$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi JF,  H I honestly don't care in the slightest how people write as long as I canK understand what they're trying to say. Grammar, spelling, dialect, innuendo F makes no difference to me. That is until, for some reason, I find "AllB Mighty" to be hard to read. Is there some reason  you're not using7 "almighty"? Is All Mighty a baseball team or something?   @ Anyway, well done with th UVAX and I hope the cluster works out.   Regards Richard Maher   I PS. Damn! I've just realized I'm turning into a newsgroup person :-( Next L I'll probably complain about top/bottom posting, or uppercase, or people for click their BLOODY PENS!!!!!  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:43C726FB.1C34BCEE@teksavvy.com...G > Tonight, after over 18 years of service, I switched off my all mighty J > MicrovaxII. This morning, the princess lea ears (side panels) were takenG > by the municipal rubbish removal folks. That signaled the point of no  return.  > J > For all the badmouthing of the All Mighty Microvax II, this little beastI > with only 16 megs of memory ran VMS 7.2, TCPIP Services 5.09, ALL-IN-1, D > Message Router and other stuff as well. It is a tribute to the VMSJ > engineers that VMS could still run on an 18 year old platform. (and also( > a tribute to a 100k block pagefile :-) >  > D > This little beast began life serving 12 people in an office with aH > measly RD54 152 meg drive (I still have it and it still works). But inI > the end, it sported 2 SCSI drives totalling 11 gigs of disk storage and  > serving only me :-)  > G > I do plan on keeping the cabinet (without the side panels) to put new 2 > machines in and keep the routers/modems/sitches. > J > And its system drive was cloned to the surviving system, so in a way, my > original MVII lives on.  > G > I do plan to keep the 2 BA23 cabinets and make it possible to boot it D > off the ethernet should be needed.  And the main cabinet and power  > distribution box will live on. > J > And while I may keep my all mighty Microvax II in working order, it doesJ > now allow me to take my space MVII's board and frame it, something whichJ > used to be illegal in the days where Digital would require a Microvax II, > be physically destroyed during an upgrade. >  > A > I would have liked to keep it alive longer, but space and power H > consumption issues forced me to give up keeping it alive.  (as well asI > the fact that i need its SCSI disks to replace the older DSSI drives in  > my new machines).    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Jan 2006 21:38:42 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)& Subject: Re: HP's strategy explained :, Message-ID: <42o0j2F1k72fbU1@individual.net>  0 In article <43c6b0cb.13672590@news.ucalgary.ca>, 	"GEO" Me@home.here writes: F > On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:17:09 GMT, sdgross@att.net (Stephen Grossman) > wrote: >  >>.... Ayn Rand ...  >>M >>> Probably her most important contribution to "thought" was her unshakable  K >>> belief that Selfishness was a virtue, and that self-interest was man's   >>> only real motive.  >>F >>the solution to the problem of universals is her most important ideaH >>she rejected the absurd claim that everyone is always acting in their J >>self-interest by identifying an objective, non-subjective, self-interest' >>that is chosen, not an innate motive.  >  >  .... ???? > J >>You have not the smallest understanding of Objectivism, a radically new 5 >>philosophy, radically opposed to modern philosophy.  >>>  > E >   Just a few days ago I found that Ayn Rand and Objectivism seem to H > form the base of the ideas of the Cato Institute.  Are there any other5 > groups that are based on the ideas of Objectivism?    A I have found very few Objectivism Web Sites that I feel acurately B reflect Ayn Rand.  But then, I find most people interpret what she@ wrote int he most extreme way possible and I never believed that was her intention.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2006 14:26:21 -0800 From: know_buddee@hotmail.com & Subject: Re: HP's strategy explained :B Message-ID: <1137104781.732876.98970@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  A I would say that her books also encouraged people to be selfish &  self-centered too.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:18:33 -0500 # From: rafe b <rafebATspeakeasy.net> & Subject: Re: HP's strategy explained :8 Message-ID: <ahvds1h47oeqj73tv98hrvg412n3ohu9be@4ax.com>  = On 12 Jan 2006 14:26:21 -0800, know_buddee@hotmail.com wrote:    > B >I would say that her books also encouraged people to be selfish & >self-centered too.     0 Yep.  It's the cornerstone of the "libertarian" . political philosophy, which Cato represents,  * historically known as lassiez-faire. (sp?)  , It's a favorite among young white males, to $ whom life has been kind.  It's also $ appealing to capitalists everywhere.  + Oddly, it *used* to be a core principle of  * those calling themselves "conservatives," , but this has completely reversed since 9/11.     rafe b www.terrapinphoto.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:15:32 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: Internet Browser on OpenVMS, Message-ID: <43C6D502.E1B57CDC@teksavvy.com>   pbritto wrote:B >  1) My internet server is Microsoft DHCP, this is the only Alpha > station in the company;   G Starting with TCPIP Services 5.3, VMS is able to act as a DHCP client.  0 You can set it up with @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIG  H Otherwise, ask your network manager for a static IP, and get him to giveF you the network mask, default gateway (default route), and IP adressesA of the DNS servers. You may have to provide him with the ethernet D address of your host so he can hardcode your IP into his DHCP server: database to ensure that IP isn't given out to anyone else.  : >  2) I don't have a CD with a Internet Browser installed;   do DIR SYS$SYSTEM:MOSAIC.EXE    F Some version of VMS came with it. It is an old version. But should let+ you connect and find a more recent browser. G (The old version doesn't let you type a URL in the box, you need to use " the FILE menu and open a new URL).  H > Is it possible to access the internet through this MS internet server?  H DHCP isn't used for data transfers. It is only used to give your machineF the parameters needed to configure  the IP interface. Once configured,F the DHCP server isn't involved for data transfers at all. (your client0 will renew the parameters at regular intervals).   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:14:37 -0700 4 From: Norman Lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>Y Subject: Oracle Rdb Product Family Production Release 7.2 for OpenVMS Itanium(r)-Based an * Message-ID: <43C6B8AD.80601B66@oracle.com>       12 January, 2006     +     Announcing the General Availability of  @     Oracle Rdb Product Family Production Release 7.2 for OpenVMS,     Itanium(r)-Based and AlphaServer Systems     G     Oracle is pleased to announce the production release of version 7.2  ofE     the Oracle Rdb product family.  All product family components are ?     available for download from MetaLink.  Now you can have the 
 rock-solid@     availability, performance, disaster tolerance, security, andD     scalability for which Oracle Rdb is well known on your choice ofG     Itanium-based or AlphaServer hardware.  Nearly all Oracle Rdb-based G     applications running on OpenVMS Alpha systems today need only to be C     recompiled, linked and tested to run on Itanium-based servers.       D     Oracle Rdb release 7.2 is supported on the full range of OpenVMS8     certified Itanium-based server configurations from a single-processorG     rx1620 to a 16-processor Superdome. You can deploy on standalone or A     clustered Itanium-based servers or add Itanium-based database  servers =     to your existing OpenVMS cluster of AlphaServer systems.       F     Oracle Rdb release 7.2 allows direct database access from multipleE     nodes in mixed-architecture clusters.  Simultaneous access to the  sameG     database from AlphaServer and Itanium-based server systems within a E     cluster allows you to port your existing applications on your own F     schedule rather than forcing an "all-or-nothing" migration.  TheseG     options give you maximum protection for production environments and H     permit you to migrate to lower cost commodity hardware when it makes     sense for your business.     F     As well as mixed-architecture cluster access, Oracle Rdb continues toH     offer remote database access.  Existing applications connected via aB     network can access Oracle Rdb release 7.2 databases located on eitherH     AlphaServer or Itanium-based server systems.  For most applications,=     this can be done with a simple logical name change and no  application H     rebuilds.  You can continue to run many applications unchanged while>     you take advantage of performance improvements and reduced?     cost-of-ownership available with new Itanium-based servers.      B     In addition to OpenVMS Itanium support, Oracle Rdb release 7.2 providesE     a number of new features and performance enhancements, including:      E     *   Increased maximum number of database global buffers to reduce )     the I/O requirement of your workload  A     *   Increased maximum database page and buffer size limits to :     retrieve and store more information with a single I/O F     *   Additional statistics screens and larger counter sizes to make(     monitoring your database even easierE     *   Streamlined internal instruction sequences for more efficient      CPU use F     *   Improved caching of database AIP entry information for reduced     I/O D     *   Index node pre-fetch performance optimizations to reduce I/O     stall time@     *   Transaction rollback performance optimizations to reduce     rollback time >     *   Encrypted database and after-image journal backups for#     protection of confidential data G     *   Query Optimizer enhancements for more efficient query execution      strategies     H     With this release, all the components and features of Oracle Rdb areF     available for production use on both AlphaServer and Itanium-based=     server platforms.  These components and features include:      .     *   SQL interactive and dynamic interfaces,     *   SQL module language and precompilers)     *   RDO, RDBPRE and RDML precompilers 1     *   Local and global buffering and row caches H     *   Data protection and transaction integrity using before-image and     after-image journalingG     *   Two-phase commit transactions supporting transactions that span      multiple databases4     *   Remote database access via TCP/IP and DECnetA     *   Data replication using Oracle Rdb Hot Standby, Oracle Rdb +     LogMiner and Replication Option for Rdb B     *   All Oracle RMU management tools for backing up, verifying,*     restoring and monitoring your database     *   Oracle Trace for RdbG     *   SQL/Services including support for Oracle Call Interface (OCI), 
     and ODBC        *   Oracle Rdb JDBC Drivers      D     Also, Oracle Rdb releases for AlphaServer systems continue to beH     available in two options: a generic kit that runs on any AlphaServerC     processor, and a platform-targeted performance kit that runs on *     AlphaServer EV56 and later processors.     F     Oracle Rdb release 7.2 requires OpenVMS Alpha version 8.2 or later orG     HP Open Industry Standard 64 for Integrity Servers version 8.2-1 or 
     later.     @     The Oracle Rdb product family includes Oracle Rdb Enterprise Edition,H     Oracle CODASYL DBMS, Oracle CDD/Repository, Oracle SQL/Services, OCIE     Services for Oracle Rdb, Oracle Trace for Rdb, Replication Option  for =     Rdb, Oracle Rdb ODBC Driver, and Oracle Rdb JDBC Drivers.      C     Additional information is available at the Oracle Rdb web site:      http://www.oracle.com/rdb.                 Regards, Ginger Vollmar      Rdb Engineering    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Jan 2006 21:09:06 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com  Subject: Re: OSX using VMS NFS+ Message-ID: <dq6ghi0i9k@enews2.newsguy.com>   + Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> wrote: D > In article <dq4kn902io4@enews2.newsguy.com>, <healyzh@aracnet.com> > wrote:  I > > Now my only problem looks to be translating the GID/UID numbers on my F > > Mac to my user account on the VMS box.  Time to figure out what isG > > wrong with how I have the Proxy set.  Shouldn't the following allow G > > me to access a directory I own?  I have the GID and UID set to what  > > they are THE_MAC.  > > ? > > VMS User_name     Type      User_ID    Group_ID   Host_name 7 > >                                                     = > > HEALYZH           OND           999         999   THE_MAC   C > You also have to map the 0,0 GID/UID to the TCPIP$NOBODY account.    >     $ tcpip show proxy  A >     VMS User_name     Type      User_ID    Group_ID   Host_name   A >     ANDERSON          OND           999         999   MACOFFICE A >     TCPIP$NOBODY      OND             0           0   MACOFFICE    I had thought that you needed:9 HEALYZH           OND           999         999   THE_MAC 9 TCPIP$NOBODY      OND            -2          -2   THE_MAC 9 TCPIP$NFS         OND             0           1   THE_MAC   K Is the "TCPIP$NOBODY      OND             0           0   MACOFFICE" needed K to get access on the Mac to work via the GUI?  That is proxying root access K as TCPIP$NOBODY.  Not that my proxying UID=0 (root) & GID=1 (daemon) seems   to make much sense.   J I've determined that things seem to be working right from the Unix commandJ line on my Mac, but not from the GUI.  I'll try to test your way tonight. K For what I need to do, I'd just as soon not have to drop to thecommand line L on the Mac.  While the command line is how I move files on OpenVMS and Unix,1 it just feels wrong to do it that way on the Mac.    		Zane   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Jan 2006 06:08:17 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com  Subject: Re: OSX using VMS NFS, Message-ID: <dq7g4h021s7@enews1.newsguy.com>   healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:- > Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> wrote: E > > You also have to map the 0,0 GID/UID to the TCPIP$NOBODY account.    > >     $ tcpip show proxy  C > >     VMS User_name     Type      User_ID    Group_ID   Host_name   C > >     ANDERSON          OND           999         999   MACOFFICE C > >     TCPIP$NOBODY      OND             0           0   MACOFFICE     > I had thought that you needed:; > HEALYZH           OND           999         999   THE_MAC ; > TCPIP$NOBODY      OND            -2          -2   THE_MAC ; > TCPIP$NFS         OND             0           1   THE_MAC   G OK, I'm stumped.  To start, here is my configuration.  I have a DEC PWS K 433au running OpenVMS 7.3-2 and TCPIP 5.4-15.  I'm trying to connect with a . PowerMac G5 Dual 2Ghz running Mac OS X 10.3.9.  H With the proxies set in either of the above manners I'm getting the sameJ error.  I'm trying to copy UHF73.pdf to my NFS mount, and a box saying the following pops up.   Preparing copy to "web" J You cannot copy some of these items to the destination because their namesL are too long or contain invalid characters for the destination.  Do you wantA to skip copying these itmes and continue copying the other items? .                              (Stop) (Continue)  I This happens on both ODS-2 and ODS-5 disks.  Yet from the command line on I the Mac everything works just fine when copying files over, removing them  are a bit odd though.   , 20> ~/Desktop $ cp UHF7*.pdf /Volumes/monk-4% 21> ~/Desktop $ ls /Volumes/monk-4/u* 9 /Volumes/monk-4/uhf73.pdf       /Volumes/monk-4/uhf74.pdf ( 22> ~/Desktop $ ls -l /Volumes/monk-4/u*N -rw-r--r--  1 healyzh  healyzh  7579763 12 Jan 19:10 /Volumes/monk-4/uhf73.pdfN -rw-r--r--  1 healyzh  healyzh  8262858 12 Jan 19:09 /Volumes/monk-4/uhf74.pdf% 23> ~/Desktop $ rm /Volumes/monk-4/u* 1 rm: /Volumes/monk-4/uhf73.pdf: File name too long 1 rm: /Volumes/monk-4/uhf74.pdf: File name too long ( 24> ~/Desktop $ ls -l /Volumes/monk-4/u* tcsh: /bin/ls: No match.  E Does anyone that has NFS working between VMS and Mac OS X see simular 	 problems?    		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:30:15 -0800 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net> Subject: Re: sho proc/mem 0 Message-ID: <BFEC42A7.1A2DC%roktsci@comcast.net>   On 1/12/06 8:52 AM, in article6 1137084761.003924.119640@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,8 "flamingomn@hotmail.com" <flamingomn@hotmail.com> wrote:  H > THANKS for the responses.  It's great to know that there are still VMS > gurus out there !! > I > We're having a problem with physical memory.  I believe it's because we D > have a HUGE (34+million block) that is being accessed.  Once it isG > finished transferring, it will be deleted and *I* am sure the problem  > will go away.  > A > It all started last week when the system crashed because it had B > extended to the limit and ran out of resources.  We modified theI > MIN_NPAGEDYN, MIN_NPAGEVIR and MIN_MAXPROCESSCNT and have run autogen a  > couple of times. > I > The vendor for the application wasn't written for as large use as we're > > using it for and we're fearing a memory leak somewhere also. > E > Mgmt wants to look at the users to see if anyone is doing something C > that is causing the memory to go down so fast and extend so much.  > H > But I ramble .... I'm going with the theory that once I can get rid of2 > this HUGE file, things will go back to 'normal'. >  > Thanks for the tips though ! > L Why don't you post the results from $SHOW MEM/POOL/ALL/FULL? We can probably help.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2006 21:25:14 -08003 From: "dpm_google@myths.com" <dpm_google@myths.com> ; Subject: Re: unable to stop the C compiler from complaining B Message-ID: <1137129913.966000.25800@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  B While trying to make a small program which duplicated the problem,- I realized what was causing it:  someon put a            #pragma __nostandard  ? directive inside an obscure header, and added an include to his ; header inside a more common header.  I appended the missing            #pragma __standard  > directive to his header, and everything builds satisfactorily. Live and learn.    ok dpm    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:07:16 -0600 (CST) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)) Subject: Re: UNIX shm* functions for VMS? 2 Message-ID: <06011223071660_20331674@antinode.org>  ( From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.nano.tudelft.nl>  A > On my system (OpenVMS8.2 for alpha with DecWindows 1.5) I find  ( > definitions of shmat() and shmctl() in. >    SYS$COMMON:[DECW$INCLUDE.EXTENSIONS]SHM.HI > the definition of shmget is obviously missing. But programs containing  F > it could be linked against the DECW-libraries. The single program I : > tested (the fzort demo of xlockmore) worked in this way.  E    Seems to be true on VMS V7.3-2, too.  I can't say yet that the shm H functions all work as expected, but the linker is happy, and the programG hasn't yet exploded.  I had to build my own SHM.H from the DECW one and F some fragments from the one on Tru64 (which is a little scary).  And I0 had to whip up a quick ftok().  Linking required# "sys$share:decw$xextlibshr /share".   E    Thanks for the suggestion.  If I get to the point where this stuff G gets used seriously, I'll see if the memory sharing actually works (and  re-complain when it doesn't).   G    In the meanwhile, if anyone is looking for something to add to the C " RTL, this stuff would get my vote.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2006 15:24:20 -0800# From: "BriceBu" <BriceBu@gmail.com> 1 Subject: VMS TCPIP NFS (novice filesystem sharer) C Message-ID: <1137108260.719465.319390@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   D Hello everyone, I'm new to the group, and back on VMS after a fairly2 long interlude involving UNIX, Windows, .NET, etc.  F I've inherited a security-oriented VMS product from, well, nobody (theF person who maintained it was let go a year before I was hired) so I've3 been learning the product on an as-I-go basis. {:-)   - Anyway, I'm glad to be back in the VMS world.   C I have a problem which is probably incredibly simple, but I'm kinda C stumped, and it seems like a good excuse to jump into the community  here.   F My ultimate goal is to use TCPIP/NFS to export a path from my VMS box,G which we'll call TRUTH, and map it to a drive on my WinXP-Pro system as D a target drive of a code-management system for which there is no VMS agent.  G I've got the MS-SFU NFS client installed on the Win box, and everything . set up more or less correctly on the VMS side.  F No, of course it doesn't work! :-) On the windows side, I can see someE machines (and their exported paths) under the NFS Network folder, but  not my VMS box.   G But that's not my first problem. Forget about the Windows side for now.   E For testing purposes I've been trying to mount the exported drive, as E NFS client, from the same node, TRUTH. (I assume this is permissible,  and possible.)   Here's what I get:  E TCPIP> mount dnfs0: /host="truth" /path="/devdisk" /user=DEV /gid=201  /uid=107< %TCPIP$DNFSMOUNT-E-MOUNTFAIL, error mounting _DNFS2:[000000]! -SYSTEM-F-TIMEOUT, device timeout   C The exact qualifiers and values  - aside from host and path - don't G really matter; I get the same timeout error whether I specify user, gid  and/or uid, or not.   G The GID and UID match the elements of the user's [DEV] 's UIC [201,107]  in the UAF file.  B Any opinions, advice, clues, hints, or jokes at my expense will be appreciated. {:-D    Thanks in advance.  
   - Brice.  + Relevant configuration displays from TCPIP:    TCPIP> show prox  ; VMS User_name     Type      User_ID    Group_ID   Host_name   F DEV                       OND           107         201              *   TCPIP> show map "             Dynamic Filesystem Map7 Pathname                            Logical File System   G /dev                                      $9$DKA100:[NFS_DEV_CONTAINER] 2 /devdisk                                $9$DKA100:   TCPIP> show export  1 File System                             Host name   / /dev                                          * - /devdisk                                    *    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.025 ************************