0 INFO-VAX	Sat, 14 Jan 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 27      Contents: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL Re: Alpha last order date  Compaq Alphaservers! Re: Compaq Alphaservers! Re: Compaq Alphaservers!6 Re: Dave Cutler (was OT: time to market with the 8086)& Re: Farewell to a good reliable friend& Re: Farewell to a good reliable friend& Re: Farewell to a good reliable friend* Re: Farewell to a good reliable friend RIP* Re: Farewell to a good reliable friend RIP/ Re: foreign commands, .com files, and dcltables 2 Re: how to permanently reject this kind of address2 Re: how to permanently reject this kind of address2 Re: how to permanently reject this kind of address$ Re: HSZTerm under newer VMS versions$ Re: HSZTerm under newer VMS versions Re: Internet Browser on OpenVMS  Re: Internet Browser on OpenVMS  LK463  Management changes at HP Re: OSX using VMS NFS . OT: Doctor Who (Was Re: Alpha last order date)P OT: Steve Gibson at Gibson Research has decided that the WMF vulnerability was a  Technical Journal - Jan 06 Issue$ Re: Technical Journal - Jan 06 Issue$ Re: Technical Journal - Jan 06 Issue, Re: UK comedy, was Re: Alpha last order date< Updated VMS information/Early 2006 VMS Boot Camp Information  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:14:04 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca># Subject: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL - Message-ID: <43C80A08.7E479F4D@vaxination.ca>    F> > $ a=%x7fffffff  > > $ b=a+a+a+a  > > $ show sym b2 > >   B = -4   Hex = FFFFFFFC  Octal = 37777777774  @ Actiually, with one of my suggestions, this is not a problem. MyG suggestion was to only declare a symbol 64 bits when the value assigned  to it is greater than 32 bits.  G in this case, A is given a 32 bit value (4 bytes in hex) so it would be  treated as 32 bits.   B In the second line, the current behaviour seems to do the additionB properly and the result still fits in 32 bits. so B woudl still beC declared as a 32 bit entity. and thus, in the 3rd line, show symbol ' would still treat B as a 32 bit entity.   N Only once an overflow would occur would the target symbol be declared 64 bits.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2006 15:30:40 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) # Subject: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL 3 Message-ID: <3i9+H0IyH9Aw@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <43C80A08.7E479F4D@vaxination.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes: > F> > $ a=%x7fffffff  >> > $ b=a+a+a+a >> > $ show sym b 3 >> >   B = -4   Hex = FFFFFFFC  Octal = 37777777774  > B > Actiually, with one of my suggestions, this is not a problem. MyI > suggestion was to only declare a symbol 64 bits when the value assigned   > to it is greater than 32 bits. > I > in this case, A is given a 32 bit value (4 bytes in hex) so it would be  > treated as 32 bits.  > D > In the second line, the current behaviour seems to do the additionD > properly and the result still fits in 32 bits. so B woudl still beE > declared as a 32 bit entity. and thus, in the 3rd line, show symbol ) > would still treat B as a 32 bit entity.  > P > Only once an overflow would occur would the target symbol be declared 64 bits.  K That examples overflows at a+a and turns a positive number into a negative. ; Such a transition would be improper with 64-bit arithmetic.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:02:47 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> # Subject: Re: 64 Bit Support for DCL E Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0601131450050.19955@localhost.localdomain>   ( On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Ferry Bolhar wrote:  I > The file containing the data is created by a third-party software which C > I have no sources from. On VAX, the values were always within the D > 32-bit range (of course). However, on Alpha VMS V7, they will grow > beyond this range. > H > I read in the records from the file using READ into string symbols andB > convert them to integers using F$INTEGER. For example, I read inD > a value of "146149778110", yielding an integer value of 120890046.5 > When converting these values to hex, I can see why:  > " > 146149778110 = 00000022.0734A2BE% > 120890046 =       00000000.0734A2BE  > . > So, DCL simply strips off the upper 32 bits.  . It is just a small matter of programming.  ;-)  A You need to recode your DCL to have VAL_HI and VAL_LO instead of  F simply VAL.  Write your own DCL to perform the conversion from string F to integer and build up VAL_HI and VAL_LO yourself.  You will be able B to tell when you are about to overflow VAL_LO because bit 31 will E change.  Or just count how many hexadecimal digits you have put into   VAL_LO.    No problem.    ;-)    - Rob      --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o mA G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free! 6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)5                                   (780)437-3367 (FAX) 2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Jan 2006 22:23:57 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com " Subject: Re: Alpha last order date, Message-ID: <dq999t02h2r@enews4.newsguy.com>  ) Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> wrote: I > I probably should add "Last of the Summer Wine" is still in production, F > about to enter Season 27 (began 1973 but has taken the odd year off)I > and is the world's longest runnning sitcom. Although not the funniest I I > have to admit its "sunday night" gentle humour still keeps me smiling - ) > even if it is the same joke every week.   I I really like what little I've seen of "Last of the Summer Wine", I think K the PBS station here got about two seasons.  The downside is, it's a slower L show, and it was in a late timeslot, as a result, I fell asleep during a lot of the episodes :^(   I > Doctor Who will run on BBC America or the Sci-Fi channel once they stop I > arguing. The BBC can't give it to BBC America while there is a possible I > commercial sale to a US channel. The Sci-Fi channel continues to say it H > is interested but won't pay what the BBC are asking, My bet is the BBCH > won't wait much longer so either the Sci-Fi channel pays up or it runs! > on BBC America later this year.   L From what I've seen, it will be well worth watching when it comes out on theF Sci-Fi channel, though I'm seriously disappointed to see it coming outJ there.  I've stopped watching anything on the Sci-Fi channel, as they haveL way to many commercials for my taste.  I was all ready to buy the DVD's nextE month.  Canada at least appears to still be getting them in February.   - When will the BBC be showing the next series?    		Zane   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2006 11:43:36 -0800 From: vanjkos@gmail.com  Subject: Compaq Alphaservers! C Message-ID: <1137181416.410780.169390@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   . Is anyone interested in buying a DS20,or more?E I've got 3 pieces,so if anyone needs them just write me to vanjkos at ? gmail dot com,and i'll provide you all the info you need.Thanx!    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:13:00 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ! Subject: Re: Compaq Alphaservers! + Message-ID: <43C817D4.E6C1885@teksavvy.com>    vanjkos@gmail.com wrote: > 0 > Is anyone interested in buying a DS20,or more?G > I've got 3 pieces,so if anyone needs them just write me to vanjkos at A > gmail dot com,and i'll provide you all the info you need.Thanx!   P It would help if you specified their location. Transport issues are significant.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:18:22 -0500 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>! Subject: Re: Compaq Alphaservers! 0 Message-ID: <11sg680jbjbqc2e@corp.supernews.com>   Very much interested Configuration, price, location?    Thanks Syltrem ! (zulu is not in my email address)   % <vanjkos@gmail.com> wrote in message  = news:1137181416.410780.169390@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... 0 > Is anyone interested in buying a DS20,or more?G > I've got 3 pieces,so if anyone needs them just write me to vanjkos at A > gmail dot com,and i'll provide you all the info you need.Thanx!  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:25:53 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)? Subject: Re: Dave Cutler (was OT: time to market with the 8086) 6 Message-ID: <00A4FBEE.DEC7B688@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  W In article <42ps5nF1khmg6U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: 4 >In article <tME68UgQ7YFQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>,? >	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: Z >> In article <42nnsvF1jpi81U2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >>> K >>> If it had been a C compiler issue, IBM would have used the M68K as they I >>> already had a system based on that CPU running Unix before the PC was  >>> even designed. >>  D >>    You think IBM would have considered Intel if there were no HLL >>    compilers for thier chip?  > M >I'm not saying there wasn't a C compiler for the Intel, just that there also J >were compilers available for the alternatives so I tend to believe what IK >remember from way back when as for the reason why it ended out being Intel I >based.  Like I said, they already had a suitable hardware platform. They K >chose to develop an entirely new architecture.  I hardly expect the avail- 7 >ability of a compiler was enough to have them do that.  >  >>  L >>    Do you think Billy boy could have so quickly cloned someone else's OS * >>    work if he had to do it in assembly? > G >I guess it depends on what you think he did.  The very first version I H >remember was a clone (some say a stolen version) of CPM.  The fact thatE >the first application available was Wordstar (a version which by all F >appearances was created using XLT86) tends to support this as all theH > BIOS/BDOS calls appear to be the same as the CPM version.  All of thisI >stuff was, in fact, written in assembler and not an HLL.  The sources to < >CPM86 are available on the web and they are definitely ASM.  K But neither Bill Gates nor any Bill Gates employee wrote the version of DOS < he sold to IBM.  He bought SCP-DOS from Seattle Computing.    J (Which isn't to say that Bill Gates couldn't program in 8008 Assembler, or" PDP-11 assembler for that matter.)   -- Alan    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Jan 2006 18:48:37 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com / Subject: Re: Farewell to a good reliable friend , Message-ID: <dq8sm501jcs@enews3.newsguy.com>  . JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:G > Tonight, after over 18 years of service, I switched off my all mighty J > MicrovaxII. This morning, the princess lea ears (side panels) were takenG > by the municipal rubbish removal folks. That signaled the point of no 	 > return.   J > For all the badmouthing of the All Mighty Microvax II, this little beastI > with only 16 megs of memory ran VMS 7.2, TCPIP Services 5.09, ALL-IN-1, D > Message Router and other stuff as well. It is a tribute to the VMSJ > engineers that VMS could still run on an 18 year old platform. (and also( > a tribute to a 100k block pagefile :-)  L I'm sorry to hear that you finally shut the system down.  I realize just howI slow a MicroVAX II is, but when most computers are doing good to last 3-5 = years, 18 years of solid service is a very impressive record.    		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:31:10 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>/ Subject: Re: Farewell to a good reliable friend - Message-ID: <43C80E08.B44F7902@vaxination.ca>    Mike wrote:  > G > Sorry to hear about the parting of your faithful MVII. Eighteen years  > of service is quite a career.   G Yep. I tried not to be emotional when I switched it off. The console is H still on, showing its final shutdown message with a time stamp. I shouldB connect the printer port to a computer and "print screen" the lastF shutdown for posterity (I've preserved modparams.dat and other files).  H I should be done building a new cab kit for my serial ports this weekendF (thanks to the folks who took the time and effor to fully document theH serial port module dimensions in the DHV11 manual , I was able to buid aG freehand document with the exact dimensions, print it, then lue this to H a fiberflass structure I built, and use a dremmel tool to cut the exact 7 shape out so that the serial modules can be screwed it)   D > along at work. I was wondering if you are familiar with the Avalon' > Vaccelerator AP-30 Card for the MVII.   H Sorry, have not heard of it. But you might find stuff with Google. It isB pretty amazing how much old documentation is surfacing these dats.  C Back in the 1980s, I paid $20,000 for that microvax II. (along with E terminals, LN03 etc). And now, you can get much faster vaxes for free  :-( :-(    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:39:27 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) / Subject: Re: Farewell to a good reliable friend ( Message-ID: <dq96mf$hmg$1@pcls4.std.com>  * Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net> writes:  M >I heard it said that at JPL, the Voyager Spacecraft Systems simulator, which L >duplicates the interaction of the Voyager spacecraft on the ground is still/ >running on a VAX8600. Can anyone confirm this?   H No, but I also heard that the computer that actually communicates/d withG them was an old PDP-11 that they've kept alive by cannibalizing others  J they had.  They tried to move the communication SW to another more modern - system but never were able to get it to work.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:38:34 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>3 Subject: Re: Farewell to a good reliable friend RIP - Message-ID: <43C80FC4.994532DB@vaxination.ca>    Jeff Cameron wrote:  > A fitting tribute!G > Although he was comparatively old as Methuselah would be to us mortal 2 > humans, amongst his peers he passed quite young. >  > Where do I send the flowers?      H Don't send flowers. Send donations to the VMS Research foundation. (aka:H VMS engineering) so that they can continue to improve VMS and find cures for various bugs :=)   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Jan 2006 22:33:09 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com 3 Subject: Re: Farewell to a good reliable friend RIP , Message-ID: <dq99r512h2r@enews4.newsguy.com>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: J > Don't send flowers. Send donations to the VMS Research foundation. (aka:J > VMS engineering) so that they can continue to improve VMS and find cures > for various bugs :=)  H OK, you just gave me a chill there, as I suddenly wondered if a "Bounty"K program isn't needed for OpenVMS.  Such programs exist for some OS's to get H developers to spend time on projects that the community is interested inF (the one that got a TCP/IP Stack for AROS comes to mind).  Not a good 
 thought...   		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:40:52 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>8 Subject: Re: foreign commands, .com files, and dcltables+ Message-ID: <dq8vo5$m0q$1@news01.intel.com>    David J Dachtera wrote:  > Jeff Cameron wrote:  >  >>[snip]M >>One other point; while you can change the actual system wide DCL tables, it N >>is typically not a good idea. This is because when you upgrade or patch VMS,J >>the kit my overwrite your changes. Instead (if you go the executable/CLDN >>route) that you include your SET COMMAND in the system wide login procedure. >  > F > OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! *DEFINITELY* *NOT* a good idea! > C > The answer to the question why is (almost) your next paragraph...  >  > N >>This is because each process that uses DCL copies the entire DCL tables intoJ >>the context of the process when the process is created, so that when youB >>execute the SET COMMAND it only changes the process' DCL tables. >  > J > Well, that's close. Your process's command table is mapped to the sharedJ > command table UNLESS you issue "SET COMMAND filespec", at which time theC > command tables get copied into your process's address space which @ > reduces the amount of working set available for code and data. > ? > I solved a heavy paging problem once (on VAX, I grant you) by E > eliminating SET COMMANDS ins SYLOGIN and several proc.'s it invoked J > becase they were no longer needed. Page faults went down and performance* > increased much more than I had expected.  = Late to the discussion and agreeing with David, it's a really 7 bad idea to do SET COMMAND unless you really need to...   1 Here are two alternatives I didn't see mentioned.   ? 1) For each command that is not in DCLTABLES, write a "wrapper" >     command file and define a global symbol to execute it with;     the same name as the VERB in the .CLD.  On entry to the >     command file, do the SET COMMAND, DELETE/SYMBOL/GLOBAL theA     symbol that invoked the command file, then invoke the command      verb with P1 through P8.  ?     The result is that the SET COMMAND only gets done for those ?     people who use it, and only when that actually have need to A     use it.  Depending upon the complexity of the command syntax, A     P1 through P8 will need to be properly handled when passed to =     the verb.   Also, you may need to add a "dummy P1" in the @     orginal symbol definition, that you edit out before invoking?     the verb, so that verb qualifiers don't get rejected by the .     DCL "@" verb...  I've done something like,  ! 	theverb == "@dev:[dir]theverb %"        And in THEVERB.COM, I do,    	$ P1 = P1 - "%"       etc.  @ 2) Expanding on the idea of group-specific login procedures, youD     can also create group-specific DCLTABLES.  This is potentionallyB     a maintenance issue, as you'll see below, since after each VMS?     product or operating system upgrade/install, you'll need to A     upgrade each of the additional group-specific DCLTABLES.  But =     so long as that step is documented, and so long as you've ?     encapsulated creating the additional tables in some command .     procedure, it shouldn't be too burdensome.  ?     For each UIC group that needs additional command verbs, for #     this example, UIC group 44, do,   - 	$ Set Command/Tables=Sys$Library:DCLTABLES - 6              /Output=Sys$Common:[SYSLIB]DCLTABLES_44 --              first.cld, second.cld, third.cld   E     This creates SYS$LIBRARY:DCLTABLES_44.EXE (in SYS$COMMON). Follow      this by the usual   + 	$ INSTALL REPLACE SYS$LIBRARY:DCLTABLES_44   /     on all cluster nodes.  You'll also need an,   ; 	$ INSTALL ADD SYS$LIBRARY:DCLTABLES_44 /Open/Header/Shared   C     somewhere early in your SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM.  The "REPLACE" above %     assumes that's already been done.         Next, go into AUTHORIZE and,  * 	UAF> Modify [44,*] /CliTable=DCLTABLES_44  B     Now every user in group 44 gets the additional verbs, but theyD     all map to the same shared memory, and both you and they benefit=     from not needing to pull a copy into process context. :-)   B     NOTE: You can also use this same technique to REMOVE access toC           certain commands from groups of users.  We used to remove E           interactive MAIL access from a "shared" application account  	 in this way.            Regards, Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Jan 2006 22:09:10 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon); Subject: Re: how to permanently reject this kind of address , Message-ID: <42qmo5F1kqceaU1@individual.net>  - In article <43C80F64.EA9B5406@vaxination.ca>, 1 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:  > Bill Gunshannon wrote:E >> Why would your VMS system need to talk to some ISP that serves all J >> the script kiddies?  If someone there needs to contact you for businessG >> reasons and finds they get rejected they will likely call you on the 
 >> phone.  >  > G > If you have a web server or SMTP server, they will just skip your web ! > site and move onto some other.    I Which suits me just fine. I'm not responsible for the next guys security. G Hopefully, he will do the same as I have and eventually you will hav an 4 ISP that can't talk to anyone and will just go away.  H >                                 Consider that they may have found yourJ > website wit Google and if yours is down, they move on to the next one on > the list.   
 See above!   >  > When you block an IP > R > you can "SET COMM/REJECT=(HOST=IP.add.re.ss,MESSAGE="Your ISP supports hackers") > 2 > In some cases, the caller will see the message.   K And which web browser do you thnk will display that message?  Now, maybe if I you put a great big message in there with all the necessary HTTP it might 5 work, but a simple text message like that, sorry, no.   G >                                                 If he doesn't see any I > message that states that this IP block has been blocmed because the ISP J > isn't taking any action to stop hackers, then the caller will just think3 > you are down and not suspect his ISP is at fault.   E Until he finds out he can get there from his work address but not his E home address or when one of his peers tells him they have no problem. F Of course, for most serious business reasons, one is likely to try theE telephone if they really need to talk to someone about a product.  At < that point, the question of web access will likely come up.   A If a more draconian approach was taken with the INTERNET maybe it B could become truly usable again.  It never should have been openedC up to the masses.  They should have been forced to go out and build C their own instead of taking over and destroying the one that served - it's user community so well in the beginning.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:21:17 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ; Subject: Re: how to permanently reject this kind of address 0 Message-ID: <11sgdfjlpsh6nce@corp.supernews.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:/ > In article <43C80F64.EA9B5406@vaxination.ca>, 3 > 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:  >  >>Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>E >>>Why would your VMS system need to talk to some ISP that serves all J >>>the script kiddies?  If someone there needs to contact you for businessG >>>reasons and finds they get rejected they will likely call you on the 
 >>>phone.  >> >>G >>If you have a web server or SMTP server, they will just skip your web ! >>site and move onto some other.   >  > K > Which suits me just fine. I'm not responsible for the next guys security. I > Hopefully, he will do the same as I have and eventually you will hav an 6 > ISP that can't talk to anyone and will just go away.  H I've tried to keep my head down on this one, but you've just stated why % your actions won't work for everyone.   B Sure, you don't care if someone can contact you.  Your work isn't D dependant upon it.  But, what about those trying to sell or provide I services via the internet?  They do all they can to reach people, get at  H the top of search lists, and such.  The last thing they need is someone = to be unable to contact them, and go on to the next provider.   H >>                                Consider that they may have found yourJ >>website wit Google and if yours is down, they move on to the next one on >>the list.  >  >  > See above!  F No, you see above.  When you need the other party more than they need E you, then you don't implement anything that would make it hard to be  
 contacted.   >>When you block an IP >>R >>you can "SET COMM/REJECT=(HOST=IP.add.re.ss,MESSAGE="Your ISP supports hackers") >>2 >>In some cases, the caller will see the message.  >  > M > And which web browser do you thnk will display that message?  Now, maybe if K > you put a great big message in there with all the necessary HTTP it might 7 > work, but a simple text message like that, sorry, no.  >  > G >>                                                If he doesn't see any I >>message that states that this IP block has been blocmed because the ISP J >>isn't taking any action to stop hackers, then the caller will just think3 >>you are down and not suspect his ISP is at fault.  >  > G > Until he finds out he can get there from his work address but not his G > home address or when one of his peers tells him they have no problem. H > Of course, for most serious business reasons, one is likely to try theG > telephone if they really need to talk to someone about a product.  At > > that point, the question of web access will likely come up.  > C > If a more draconian approach was taken with the INTERNET maybe it D > could become truly usable again.  It never should have been openedE > up to the masses.  They should have been forced to go out and build E > their own instead of taking over and destroying the one that served / > it's user community so well in the beginning.   4 Ok, now we have the opinion of the education people.  H Regardless, when John Smith is home, searching for a particular widget, I even if the message about the ISP gets to him, he doesn't care, it's not  ? what he's about at that point in time, and he'll buy elsewhere.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 14 Jan 2006 00:45:13 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon); Subject: Re: how to permanently reject this kind of address , Message-ID: <42qvsoF1k7tmfU1@individual.net>  0 In article <11sgdfjlpsh6nce@corp.supernews.com>,* 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:0 >> In article <43C80F64.EA9B5406@vaxination.ca>,4 >> 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes: >>   >>>Bill Gunshannon wrote:  >>> F >>>>Why would your VMS system need to talk to some ISP that serves allK >>>>the script kiddies?  If someone there needs to contact you for business H >>>>reasons and finds they get rejected they will likely call you on the >>>>phone.   >>>  >>> H >>>If you have a web server or SMTP server, they will just skip your web" >>>site and move onto some other.  >>   >>  L >> Which suits me just fine. I'm not responsible for the next guys security.J >> Hopefully, he will do the same as I have and eventually you will hav an7 >> ISP that can't talk to anyone and will just go away.  > J > I've tried to keep my head down on this one, but you've just stated why ' > your actions won't work for everyone.  > D > Sure, you don't care if someone can contact you.  Your work isn't  > dependant upon it.     Of course it does.  E >                    But, what about those trying to sell or provide   > services via the internet?    H You mean like the students (and their parents!) who are trying to decide wether or not to come here?   K >                             They do all they can to reach people, get at  J > the top of search lists, and such.  The last thing they need is someone ? > to be unable to contact them, and go on to the next provider.   F And that's why we keep having discussions here about all the web sitesG that people here can't access because they were written to only support G one browser or they require Javascript or they require Active Controls?    > I >>>                                Consider that they may have found your K >>>website wit Google and if yours is down, they move on to the next one on  >>>the list.  H And if they find that security hole that the whole INTERNET (except you)F knows then no one gets to your web site.  Like most things in business$ and life, it's all about trade-offs.   >>   >>  
 >> See above!  > H > No, you see above.  When you need the other party more than they need G > you, then you don't implement anything that would make it hard to be   > contacted.  I Web sites on the INTERNET seem to prove you wrong all the time.  Just ask F some of the people who hang out here.  You must have missed that whole thread just a week or so ago!!   >  >>>When you block an IP  >>> S >>>you can "SET COMM/REJECT=(HOST=IP.add.re.ss,MESSAGE="Your ISP supports hackers")  >>> 3 >>>In some cases, the caller will see the message.   >>   >>  N >> And which web browser do you thnk will display that message?  Now, maybe ifL >> you put a great big message in there with all the necessary HTTP it might8 >> work, but a simple text message like that, sorry, no. >>   >>  H >>>                                                If he doesn't see anyJ >>>message that states that this IP block has been blocmed because the ISPK >>>isn't taking any action to stop hackers, then the caller will just think 4 >>>you are down and not suspect his ISP is at fault. >>   >>  H >> Until he finds out he can get there from his work address but not hisH >> home address or when one of his peers tells him they have no problem.I >> Of course, for most serious business reasons, one is likely to try the H >> telephone if they really need to talk to someone about a product.  At? >> that point, the question of web access will likely come up.   >>  D >> If a more draconian approach was taken with the INTERNET maybe itE >> could become truly usable again.  It never should have been opened F >> up to the masses.  They should have been forced to go out and buildF >> their own instead of taking over and destroying the one that served0 >> it's user community so well in the beginning. > 6 > Ok, now we have the opinion of the education people.  E No, you have my opinion (and apparently the opinion of Tom Linden who 7 I am certain is as interested in customers as you are.)    > J > Regardless, when John Smith is home, searching for a particular widget, K > even if the message about the ISP gets to him, he doesn't care, it's not  A > what he's about at that point in time, and he'll buy elsewhere.    F Well, the choice is yours to make as regards your network and systems.A I will continue to do everything I can to keep my systems secure.    bill     --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:16:46 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>- Subject: Re: HSZTerm under newer VMS versions + Message-ID: <dq8uau$l8r$1@news01.intel.com>    Malcolm Dunnett wrote:
 [big snip]R >    I've seen references to a "Storageworks Command Scripter" product but all theN > web documentation I can find is several years old. Is this still a supportedI > product? Will it continue to be? ( I'd hate to buy it and find it stops  > working a year later ) > N >    I'm thinking of going the route others have suggested and hooking up someP > old LAT terminal servers to the console ports on the HGS80s. In some ways thatO > seems like the best idea as it would give me an out-of-band management access P > to the arrays even if the host systems were down ( as long as I had a terminal
 > availble).    = We have all our HSG's consoles connected to terminal servers.   9 We also have (still) Console Manager from CA (has a newer @ name, but _we_ never changed what we call it!).  Console Manager> monitors all the HSG consoles.  We have developed an extensive= set of events related to the HSG's various Instance Codes and , we send out e-mail and/or pages accordingly.  ? Honestly, I don't think we could live without this combination.   ? Console Manager allows scripting as well.  It's pretty straight < forward, if somewhat verbose (you use on command to send the< text you want executed, another command to wait for text youB expect to get back, usually the HSG prompt, but that's no biggie).  @ And I'll repeat a comment from a few years back: in the last 4-5> years, CA has really runed around in terms of customer service? and pricing.  If it's been a while since you considered Console : Manager (or DECps for that matter), you might check again.; Avoid getting one of their big, all-encompassing management ; packages and just ask about the component (Console Manager) 	 you want.   
 	Regards, Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:07:37 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>- Subject: Re: HSZTerm under newer VMS versions + Message-ID: <dq8tpq$kvt$1@news01.intel.com>    Malcolm Dunnett wrote:. > In article <43C1E2C5.F8C0C186@comcast.net>, 9 >    David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  >  >  >>Malcolm Dunnett wrote: >>	 >>>[snip] . >>>   Is there a place I can get HSZterm from? >>) >>See http://www.djesys.com/freeware/vms/  >> >> >>>Does it work with an HSG80? >> >>Yes. Caveat: Unsupported.  >> >  > 8 >   Thanks for the pointer. I got an error installing it > on VMS 8.2 (Alpha):  > P > %VMSINSTAL-I-MOVEFILES, Files will now be moved to their target directories...& > %CLI-F-SYNTAX, error parsing 'STYLE'< > -CLI-E-ENTNF, specified entity not found in command tablesE > %VMSINSTAL-E-INSDFAIL, The installation of HSZTERM V1.0 has failed.  > Q > ******************************************************************************* ^ > %VMSINSTAL-E-INSDFAIL, See DSA4:[SYS0.SYSUPD.HSZTERM010]VMIDEFER_ERROR.DAT for failure errorQ > *******************************************************************************  > ? >  but it still seems to work ok (talking to an HSG80 8.8-F4 ).  > U >  Should I be doing the $SET HOST to the command console (GGxx: device) or to one of D > the drives (DGxx: devices), or does it matter?. Both seem to work.   A bit late to the discussion...         $ SET HOST/SCSI $1$DGAxxx  C works for us. :-)  I don't recall the restrictions because this was D all set up/defined before I arrived, but on each redundant HSG-pair,/ we set the IDENTIFIER to the same number, e.g.,    	HSG> SET THIS IDENTIFIER = 300   = etc.  Different HSG pairs use unique identfiers.  Given these @ identifiers, you can $ SET HOST/SCSI $1$GGA300, for example, butC that seems somewhat obscure to me (in the sense that the identifier 0 is neither a disk unit nor the controller name).  F One last note:  We give the controller identifier in the same hundredsD series as the identifiers for the units on that controller.  WhetherD that's a local convention, or a requirement to enable connection via6 the DGA device, I don't know...I suspect the latter...  F BTW, we're running HSZTERM V1.0-00 dated 25-JUL-1995 11:26:25.82 under OpenVMS/Alpha 7.3-1.   	-Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Jan 2006 19:04:01 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com ( Subject: Re: Internet Browser on OpenVMS, Message-ID: <dq8tj111jcs@enews3.newsguy.com>  7 Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote: , > LYNX and MOSAIC freeware is there as well.  B >         http://www.openvms.digital.com/freeware/freeware70/lynx/D >         http://www.openvms.digital.com/freeware/freeware70/mosaic/  E Given what the original poster wants, "lynx" is likely to be the best K choice.  For the last 5+ years, it's the only browser that I use on VMS,and H I normally only use it to grab files off of the internet.  Though I have- used it a few times to read local HTML files.   I > Hopefully someone/HP ports FIREFOX (and THUNDERBIRD) as well, but don't K > bet on it (and if they do, we may loose CSWB then => no more CHATZILLA on 	 > VMS ;-)   H Firefox would be a good choice.  I'm definitely impressed by how well itL seems to run on systems with limited resources.  On the other hand, the lastH time I checked, recent builds of Mozilla pretty much required something   better than my PWS 433au to run.   		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:31:54 -0600 . From: Bob Blunt <RobertDOTblunt@digitalDOTcom>( Subject: Re: Internet Browser on OpenVMS0 Message-ID: <dZmdnQfM35tl_FXeRVn-qA@comcast.com>   pbritto wrote:H > I have just installed the OpenVMS and I want to download files off the7 > internet using internet browser. I've got 2 problems: B >  1) My internet server is Microsoft DHCP, this is the only Alpha > station in the company; : >  2) I don't have a CD with a Internet Browser installed;? >  3) My network interface is configured for static IP Address.  > H > Is it possible to access the internet through this MS internet server?F > And what internet browser is commonly used for OpenVMS? I've got theF > TCPIP configured, I can ftp Windows 2000 machines but I haven't seen5 > any DHCP configuration when I configured the TCPIP.  >  > Thanks >   G As others said in various ways, this should work.  The last time I was  I in a real company office I used my OpenVMS workstation for web browsing.  D   The corporate network didn't care that my workstation was using a G static IP address and should not have cared which IP stack was in use.  I The main thing you need to know is if your network requires that you use  H a proxy server to get to external websites.  Of course, you will need a G browser and several have been mentioned.  Your version of OpenVMS, the  I amount of memory you have and the type AlphaStation you're using will be  6 the main determining factors in choosing your browser.  G In general, if you have a system that's 500mhz or faster and more than  G 128MB of main memory and you have a monitor and DECwindows, you should  C be able to use the current release CSWB.  If you're using an older  G version of OpenVMS you may be forced to either use Mosaic, Lynx or (if  F you can find all the pieces) Netscape Gold.  In any case, all of them F will still require that you know if your company's network requires a F proxy to access external websites.  If it doesn't, then you should be > able to enter a URL and surf away without too much additional I configuration.  This is basically how using my Alpha with VMS works now.  !   I put in the URL and surf away.   F So if you can get the information about your system, your VMS version I and locate your distribution for your OpenVMS software, let us know what  " you've got, we can help further...   bob    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 06:16:30 GMT  From: dittman@dittman.net  Subject: LK463& Message-ID: <2H0yf.511$sq.96@trnddc01>  F I just bought an LK463 and am working to create a new keyboard map forB OS X.  To do this I need a complete list of the keycodes since the$ current keymaps don't pass them all.  E Does anyone have a complete list they could send me?  Once I have the C new keyboard map finished I'll put it online for interested parties  to download.   --   Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:59:42 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ! Subject: Management changes at HP , Message-ID: <43C86914.E03B1736@teksavvy.com>  F Pauline Nist from Tandem fame has left HP.  Last week, HP announced it8 had hired some guy from Siemens who would work under Ann% livermore.(Technology Systems Group).   A Looks like Hurd is starting to clean up the shop. (He cleared out D Winkler fast, a good thing). Wonder if Stallard will be next to go.   E What would be important to know is who is left at HP who would oppose A the port of VMS to the surving/leading platform, the 64 bit 8086. / This/these are the ones who should be replaced.    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Jan 2006 18:28:06 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com  Subject: Re: OSX using VMS NFS, Message-ID: <dq8rfm01j0g@enews2.newsguy.com>  + Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> wrote:  > I tried to copy a file called    >    AcumenJournal_Jan2006.pdf  F > from the Mac to OpenVMS via NFS.  I got the error box you mentioned,: > but then also noticed a file in the Finder window called   >    acumenjournal_jan2006.pdf  " > From OpenVMS, the file is called   >    ACUMENJOURNAL_JAN2006.PDF  I > It can't be opened because the file is 0 bytes.  This is an ODS-2 disk.   L These are the same results I'm seeing.  Plus when you try to remove the fileK from Finder it gives a strange error, BUT, it successfully removes it.  The K naming problems would be due to it being an ODS-2 disk, but I should really L check to see if this occurs on the ODS-5 drive.  I don't think I looked intoF that last night, I simply verified that I was having the same error in4 trying to copy the file as I see on the ODS-2 drive.  K The handling of file/directory names with the OpenVMS implementation of NFS H seems to be a bit "alien" as a whole.  This isn't Mac related though, asI I also see this from other Unix varients.  It seems really strange to see > SOMEDIR.DIR on a Unix box, but be able to 'cd somedir.dir' :^)  K At this point, I think I need to run some more tests with Samba 2.2.8, as I F believe it is working better between Mac OS X and OpenVMS than NFS is.  L Now for a Samba V3 question, will it just be for OpenVMS V8.x, or will those= of us running older versions such as 7.3-2 be able to use it?    		Zane   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:16:16 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>7 Subject: OT: Doctor Who (Was Re: Alpha last order date) > Message-ID: <4xWxf.113295$D47.13454@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:  / > When will the BBC be showing the next series?   1 Spring 2006 is all they've said so far I believe.    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:41:55 -0500 - From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> Y Subject: OT: Steve Gibson at Gibson Research has decided that the WMF vulnerability was a I Message-ID: <8660a3a10601131341w78349ea6x6a79760347f1e983@mail.gmail.com>   9 Article is located at :  http://www.grc.com/sn/SN-022.pdf    --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2006 15:38:13 -0800) From: "Sue" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> ) Subject: Technical Journal - Jan 06 Issue B Message-ID: <1137195493.832997.33410@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Dear Newsgroup,   E The latest technical journal is now available and its a good one.  It E is available is HTML and PDF  Just a heads up, one of the articles by G Kostas Gavrielidis (Bug_Check tool) we did not know that there would be G this much interest so instead of sending email we are going to post the - tool either on openvms.org or the HP web site   
 Warm Regards,  Sue      Dear OpenVMS Community,   D Welcome to 2006 and welcome to the January 2006 issue of the OpenVMS Technical Journal 5 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/index.html.   D The OpenVMS Engineering Group is looking forward to an exciting yearG since we have many technical advances planned for the operating system. E One of the exciting pieces of news which you will have heard about by F now is the release of Oracle Rdb on OpenVMS Integrity severs which hasF been anticipated for some time by our customers.  Additionally, we areF going forward with our roadmaps which are available for public viewingA on our web page and we continue to advance OpenVMS so that we can D always deliver the secure and highly available VMS that you have bet your business on.   ? I would also like to use this opportunity to thank you for your F continued support and to let you know that I welcome your email should% you have any compliments or concerns.   
 Warm Regards,  Ann McQuaid ! General Manager, OpenVMS Division    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:56:28 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> - Subject: Re: Technical Journal - Jan 06 Issue , Message-ID: <43C84C3A.172E6F13@teksavvy.com>  
 Sue wrote:F > Welcome to 2006 and welcome to the January 2006 issue of the OpenVMS > Technical Journal 7 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/index.html.    Many thank dear Sue !!!!  ( BTW, the VMS_check article has a link toC http://h30097.www3.hp.com/sys_check/ which allows one to download a  Tru64 version.  D You may wish to either update that web page to put a link to the VMSB version, or update the technical journal to remove that reference.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:28:02 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> - Subject: Re: Technical Journal - Jan 06 Issue , Message-ID: <43C861AA.AA4FCA8F@teksavvy.com>  D Sue, in the article about faking it, there is a link at the end to a command procedure:  8 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/v7/comfile.txt  L At this point in time, the HP web server returns a "file not found" message.  D As in previous version, some of the text is not quite readable on myD MAC. So I'll have to select all text and paset it into a simple textA editor to be able to read the text properly.  I am not sure it is  missing fonts.  D For instance, in the above article, in the paragraph "Will the "RealH Image Please Stand Up?" LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL has the F overprinted over@ the $ in one instance, but in the next line, it prints properly.     For the title:  ' Figure 3  F A KE _RTL Support Routines   F It appears as "Figure 3F   A* _RTL Support Routines where the "*" is a7 blob of ink.  (Probably the KE overwriting each other).   D Interestingly, if I print it to a postscript laser printer, the text comes out fine.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:06:47 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>5 Subject: Re: UK comedy, was Re: Alpha last order date - Message-ID: <43C80853.EC3BD1F3@vaxination.ca>    Baldrick wrote: I > IMHO there is other stuff to watch out for, Little Britain is painfully E > well observed parts of British life, and some odd things thrown in.   L Bravo carries it in Canada. (We got one series, so it is in rerun mode now).  G One that I really liked was Coupling which BBC Canada carried until NBC G in the USA and its bloodsucker Global in Canada started to carry the US F castrated version of Coupling which was so terrible with all the jokesH taken out that it lasted only 2 episodes. (Both of the episodes producedH in teh USA were direct copies of original episodes minus the jokes. (ForC instance, in the episode about starting to laugh during a moment of H silence, the US version gives no explanation of why the 3 men are behindE the coffin and other puns removed totally ruin the effect of when the  girl starts laughing.   F The episode that I really liked was the one about the Lesbian SpankingD inferno videotape. The writers in that series are/were excellent. OfG course, this one could have never been shown in the USA. (and no, there G is no sex in that episode, it is just about the girlfriend finding that P tape in her boyfriend's VCR and this comes up at the dinner table with friends).  E When I lost access to the series, one of the ladies was very pregnant ' and they were taking pre-natal courses.   I > Steve Coogan with the "Alan Partridge" among others. Probably lots more H > but I can't leave this off topic thread without mentioning Blackadder.  C Hugh Laurie is now doing a doctor show on FOX TV in the USA. I keep 3 expecting him to break out into blackadder mode :-)    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2006 15:42:44 -0800) From: "Sue" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> E Subject: Updated VMS information/Early 2006 VMS Boot Camp Information B Message-ID: <1137195764.143802.51580@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Dear Distribution Lists,  D Enclosed please find some updated VMS information that you will findG useful.  Since I have not changed jobs, I still have nothing to do with < hiring people. So the jobs portion of this email is just forG communication purposes because I care that my friends have jobs and our + valued customers have the people they need.    Warm Regards as always,  Sue    INDEX  1. BOOT CAMP 2006  2. VTJ FINAL COUNT 3. Favorite URLs 4. Training  5. From VMS Engineering  6. Jobs     B 1. BOOT CAMP 2006 For your planning purposes here are some detailsE around the 2006 OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot Camp: (I am getting a G lot of email around this so I thought I would just send an email out to 	 everyone) G Date: Sunday May 21 until Friday May 26 2006 (starting at noon) (ending  at noon)# Location: Sheraton Hotel Nashua, NH F Registration Cost 1495.00 - (Includes breakfast and lunch each day andA dinner two nights) Hotel rate is $105 per night There will be VMS G certification training during the week We will be offering seminars the A week before and we are looking at several other options, Dress is  casual (blue jeans are fine)  E If you have suggestions for topics I can not make guarantees but feel  free to let me know.  F 2. VTJ FINAL COUNT for views of the OpenVMS Technical journal for 2005A is aprox 45,011 which is excellent.  My sincere thanks to all the E authors and even more to Warren Sander and Mary Marrota who have done F an excellent job in making this journal what it is today, this journal# would not be possible without them.        3. Sue's Favorite URLs  ? http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/os/swroll/73-2.HTML - OpenVMS 0 Software Rollout Report http://tinyurl.com/8om4p  ! HP's business partner of the year . http://tinyurl.com/9eoqa or the long url below  o http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20051219005055&newsLang=en  ______________________________ 4. Training G A free "6-Week Java Intro Programming Online Boot camp" course is about E to start from Jan. 16th, 2006. This boot camp is for anyone who wants F to learn Java programming for the first time. In this course, studentsG will learn how to write, compile, and run Java programs. They will also < learn essential object oriented programming concepts such asB inheritance and polymorphism. Students will write and run the Java8 programs using both command line tools and NetBeans IDE.E Each week, students are expected to do weekly homework after studying E the presentation and hands-on lab material. There is also class group ' alias where students can ask questions. G The 1st session of this bootcamp course starts from January 16th, 2006. D The only thing you have to do in order to register for the course is* sending an email to the following address.$ javaintro1-subscribe@yahoogroups.com$ javaintro1-subscribe@yahoogroups.com> For detailed information about this bootcamp, please go to the following websites. 5 Course website: http://www.javapassion.com/javaintro1 A Course schedule: http://www.javapassion.com/javaintro1/Class.html = Course group alias: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/javaintro1/  _____________________________  5. From VMS Engineering > OpenVMS Engineering is pleased to announce the availability ofC Distributed NetBeans Version 1.1 for OpenVMS Alpha and OpenVMS I64.   > Distributed NetBeans allows you to run the NetBeans integrated? development environment (IDE) on your desktop system to develop + applications on a remote HP OpenVMS system.   $ New features for Version 1.1 include  $ Support for Integrity Server Systems FTP FilesystemD Distributed NetBeans now gives you the option of using FTP to accessF your remote filesystem. You can use FTP instead of, or in addition to,B an SMB-based filesystem (such as Advanced Server or Samba). COBOL,G FORTRAN, and PASCAL Languages Distributed NetBeans contains support for B the COBOL, FORTRAN, and PASCAL languages in addition to C/C++, CMSG support, DCL support, and EDT keypad support. MMS and BASH MMS and BASH > shell script files are recognized as text files in DistributedC NetBeans. You can create, edit, and execute MMS make files and BASH " shell scripts from within the IDE.1 Automatic Conversion of Files to STREAM_LF Format ? STREAM_LF file format is required if you are using an SMB-based @ filesystem (Advanced Server or Samba). Distributed NetBeans V1.1G detects whether files are in STREAM_LF format, and if they are not, you E are asked if you want them to be automatically converted for you. CMS G Groups and Classes Distributed NetBeans contains support for CMS groups A and classes. A CMS group lets you combine one or more elements or E groups into a group that you can then manipulate as a single unit.  A > class is a set of specific generations of elements that can be* manipulated as a unit Server Setup CommandE The server setup command property allows you to specify a DCL command G string to be executed by the remote IDE User server during its startup. G The command specified is passed to DCL for execution. You can specify a G different setup command for each remote server you create. Installation A on ODS-2 Disks Distributed NetBeans allows you to work with files D located on ODS-2 disks, in addition to ODS-5 disks. Note that if youF are using Distributed NetBeans with Java files, the Java files must beF on an ODS-5 disk. (This limitation will be removed in a future releaseA of the Java SDK.) And many more new features, see the online help = section titled, "What's New in Version 1.1" for more details.   E The NetBeans IDE, Distributed NetBeans client, and the IDE Server are ? provided free of charge.  Support is provided with your OpenVMS A operating system support contract and by the Distributed NetBeans  development team.   F For more information or to download the Distributed NetBeans V1.1 kit, please visit  C http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/netbeans/distnb.html  ______________________________ 6. Jobs    Sue,   VMS Admin Position Available.    Western Philadelphia Suburbs  B Looking for a VMS administrator with Alpha/Cluster/SAN experience.  @ Currently running 4 VMSclusters and a few stand-alone systems onA TCPIP/DECnet network.  VMS 7.3 or greater.  Experienced only need  apply.  > Full-Time contract position for minimum of 1 year, with likely% extension after the initial contract.   / Call 610-358-8212 or email sedwards@verizon.net 0 ------------------------------------------------6 Design Center Team Leader - IC Design - Montreal Based   Position Purpose:   ? Responsible for the design and development of Analog integrated = circuits for power management, interface, and optical storage G products.   Leads a technical group of design engineers and technicians A to ensure product goals and objectives are achieved utilizing the " highest product quality standards.   Duties and Responsibilities:D 1.Designs, develops, modifies and evaluates Analog power management,A interface, and optical storage integrated circuits for electronic G equipment and other hardware systems.  Determines design approaches and  parameters. A 2.Provides technical guidance and leadership to lower level staff @ members.  May assume leadership for the hiring of quality staff,> developing and conducting performance reviews and implementingD corrective action and termination, as necessary.  May participate inA the budgetary process by recommending expenditures for equipment, D salary, services, etc. 3. Solves complex design issues. 4.Interfaces@ with applications, product, process, test and other departments.   Skills / Knowledge: @ Expertise in the design of analog integrated circuits. EffectiveF communication and interpersonal skills, ability to delegate and manage	 projects.    Qualifications: G Requires a Bachelors degree in Electrical Engineering plus a minimum of D 5+ years of directly related experience, including project/technical leadership.  Tim Roth Invision Portland, OR P: 866.391.8877  P: 503.620.5826  f: 503.620.8007  email: tim@4invision.com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.027 ************************