0 INFO-VAX	Tue, 17 Jan 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 34      Contents: Checking for a DCL verb  Re: Checking for a DCL verb  Re: Checking for a DCL verb  Re: Checking for a DCL verb  Re: Checking for a DCL verb $ Email Tadpole for itanium notebooks!( Re: Email Tadpole for itanium notebooks!( Re: Email Tadpole for itanium notebooks!( Re: Email Tadpole for itanium notebooks!( Re: Email Tadpole for itanium notebooks!( Re: Email Tadpole for itanium notebooks!( Re: Email Tadpole for itanium notebooks!& Re: Farewell to a good reliable friend Re: Help with mini-copy please Re: Help with mini-copy please Re: Help with mini-copy please Re: Help with mini-copy please Re: Help with mini-copy please1 Re: HP, read this about demand for desktop linux! 1 Re: HP, read this about demand for desktop linux! 1 Re: HP, read this about demand for desktop linux! 1 Re: HP, read this about demand for desktop linux! 1 Re: HP, read this about demand for desktop linux! 1 Re: HP, read this about demand for desktop linux! 1 Re: HP, read this about demand for desktop linux! 1 Re: HP, read this about demand for desktop linux! 1 Re: HP, read this about demand for desktop linux! $ Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now!$ Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now!$ Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now! Open VMS programing in C Re: Open VMS programing in CF Re: Setting Read-Only Permissions on a Directory & all Sub-DirectoriesF Re: Setting Read-Only Permissions on a Directory & all Sub-DirectoriesF Re: Setting Read-Only Permissions on a Directory & all Sub-DirectoriesF Re: Setting Read-Only Permissions on a Directory & all Sub-DirectoriesF Re: Setting Read-Only Permissions on a Directory & all Sub-DirectoriesF Re: Setting Read-Only Permissions on a Directory & all Sub-DirectoriesF Re: Setting Read-Only Permissions on a Directory & all Sub-DirectoriesF Re: Setting Read-Only Permissions on a Directory & all Sub-Directories Re: shadowing questions * Re: sws2.1 DCL CGI problem in redir header$ Re: Technical Journal - Jan 06 Issue  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2006 06:01:12 -0800- From: "mb301@hotmail.com" <mb301@hotmail.com>   Subject: Checking for a DCL verbB Message-ID: <1137505796.349313.49430@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  F Is it possible to check for a verb in your process table without doing& something to generate a error message?  	 example:-    $ show sym rob*ot = %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling    $ robot # usage: robot command [ parameters ]   9     Commands:    show, load, unload, eject, inject, help, 7                  ready, move, lock, unlock, initialize, (                  position, home and findF     Parameters:  robot device, slots #, drives #, ports #, transport #  1 I can remove it from my process table like this:-    $ set command/delete=robot   $ robot F %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling  \ROBOT\   The same goes for edit  
 Any ideas?   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2006 07:13:30 -0700# From: Mike Rechtman <mike-r@hp.com> $ Subject: Re: Checking for a DCL verb, Message-ID: <43ccfb8a$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   "mb301@hotmail.com"  writes:  H > Is it possible to check for a verb in your process table without doing( > something to generate a error message? >  > example:-  >  > $ show sym rob*ot ? > %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling  > 	 > $ robot % > usage: robot command [ parameters ]  > ; >     Commands:    show, load, unload, eject, inject, help, 9 >                  ready, move, lock, unlock, initialize, * >                  position, home and findH >     Parameters:  robot device, slots #, drives #, ports #, transport # > 3 > I can remove it from my process table like this:-  >  > $ set command/delete=robot > 	 > $ robot H > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling
 >  \ROBOT\ >  > The same goes for edit >  > Any ideas? > 0 Look for a Freeware (IIRC) program called "VERB"   Mike   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:26:34 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> $ Subject: Re: Checking for a DCL verb> Message-ID: <_U8zf.12377$PL5.11763@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>  % <mb301@hotmail.com> wrote in message  < news:1137505796.349313.49430@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...H > Is it possible to check for a verb in your process table without doing( > something to generate a error message? >   L I don't know of a way to check without generating an error message but, you 7 can turn off messages while you check.  Something like:   
 $ SET NOON) $ SET MESSAGE/NOFAC/NOIDENT/NOSEVE/NOTEXT  $ ROBO//INVALID   I Now check $STATUS to see if it's DCL-W-INVVERB or DCL-W-NOKEYW.  INVVERB  K means that the command is NOT defined and NOKEYW means that the command is  F defined.  Note that the double / is intentional to make sure that the  command doesn't execute.   > example:-  >  > $ show sym rob*ot ? > %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling  > 	 > $ robot % > usage: robot command [ parameters ]  > : >    Commands:    show, load, unload, eject, inject, help,8 >                 ready, move, lock, unlock, initialize,) >                 position, home and find G >    Parameters:  robot device, slots #, drives #, ports #, transport #  > 3 > I can remove it from my process table like this:-  >  > $ set command/delete=robot > 	 > $ robot H > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling	 > \ROBOT\  >  > The same goes for edit >  > Any ideas? >    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2006 17:44:30 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)$ Subject: Re: Checking for a DCL verb, Message-ID: <43cd2cfe$1@news.langstoeger.at>  r In article <1137505796.349313.49430@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "mb301@hotmail.com" <mb301@hotmail.com> writes:G >Is it possible to check for a verb in your process table without doing ' >something to generate a error message?  > 
 >example:- >  >$ show sym rob*ot> >%DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling  > Check for a symbol is possible: IF F$TYPE(robot) .EQS. "" THENI but checking for a DCL verb is more complicated (as was already written).    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2006 10:44:26 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org$ Subject: Re: Checking for a DCL verb3 Message-ID: <ftwr2m+5pXzY@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <_U8zf.12377$PL5.11763@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:' > <mb301@hotmail.com> wrote in message  > > news:1137505796.349313.49430@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...I >> Is it possible to check for a verb in your process table without doing ) >> something to generate a error message?  >> > N > I don't know of a way to check without generating an error message but, you 9 > can turn off messages while you check.  Something like:  >  > $ SET NOON+ > $ SET MESSAGE/NOFAC/NOIDENT/NOSEVE/NOTEXT  > $ ROBO//INVALID  > K > Now check $STATUS to see if it's DCL-W-INVVERB or DCL-W-NOKEYW.  INVVERB  M > means that the command is NOT defined and NOKEYW means that the command is  H > defined.  Note that the double / is intentional to make sure that the  > command doesn't execute.  F In addition to defending against symbols, you should consider guarding/ against the existence of .EXE's within DCL$PATH    For example:    $ define dcl$path sys$disk:[]  $ test//invalid#  This is test.exe running just fine   $ define /user dcl$path " "  $ test G  %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling    \TEST\F  $ deassign /user dcl$path ! No image activation, no user mode rundown  G .com files existing within DCL$PATH fail differently with the //invalid  switch.     $ test//invalid@  %DCL-W-IVVALU, invalid value syntax - see command documentation   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2006 07:36:22 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com - Subject: Email Tadpole for itanium notebooks! C Message-ID: <1137512182.452890.259720@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   F I emailed and talked to head of manufacturing ... you can call them at various numbers at   www.tadpole.com    or email sales@tadpole.com  B and many important people will see that email I have been told ...< they have recently been merged with another company so their@ is a lot scrutiny going on right now how to increase sales and aB flood of emails or phone calls for an itanium/alpha notebook again might do the job ...   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2006 07:37:45 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com 1 Subject: Re: Email Tadpole for itanium notebooks! C Message-ID: <1137512265.542318.129820@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   
 that email is    sales @ tadpole.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:56:02 +0100 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> 1 Subject: Re: Email Tadpole for itanium notebooks! , Message-ID: <434im5F1l7ldqU1@individual.net>  1 On 2006-01-17 16:36, "bob@instantwhip.com" wrote:    > [...]  > + > [...] for an itanium/alpha notebook again                 ^^^^^^^ > might do the job ...  F What's the power consumption of that famous "Ultra Low Voltage" Itanic6 chip? Less than 100 watts? Or doesn't it exist at all?   Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:26:57 -0500 3 From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@REMOVEintelME.com> 1 Subject: Re: Email Tadpole for itanium notebooks! 8 Message-ID: <tc6qs1lnc585tn449ssanr1j7l8nfuv479@4ax.com>  1 On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:56:02 +0100, Michael Unger & <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> wrote:  G >What's the power consumption of that famous "Ultra Low Voltage" Itanic 7 >chip? Less than 100 watts? Or doesn't it exist at all?   . 62W for the LV part.  I can't find a ULV part.  : http://www.intel.com/products/processor/itanium2/index.htm  L I suppose if some laptop makers can put a desktop P4 in their boxes, someoneH might be able to come up with a way to put the Itanium in a laptop.  TheK physical mounting could be an issue, though. It's a big processor (comes on  its own card.)   Steve Lionel Software Products Division Intel Corporation 
 Nashua, NH  8 User communities for Intel Software Development Products"   http://softwareforums.intel.com/ Intel Fortran Support 7   http://developer.intel.com/software/products/support/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:51:02 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>1 Subject: Re: Email Tadpole for itanium notebooks! / Message-ID: <43CCDA26.30619.14E7CF03@localhost>   2 On 17 Jan 2006 at 7:36, bob@instantwhip.com wrote:F > a flood of emails or phone calls for an itanium/alpha notebook again > might do the job ...    C When I called them a couple of years ago, they had one left on the  D shelf.  The attitude was that they couldn't get rid of it -- but at  $15,000, who would want it??      
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------8 Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  Toll free: 1-888-I-LUV-VAX3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:20:33 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)1 Subject: Re: Email Tadpole for itanium notebooks! $ Message-ID: <dqjchh$2uq$3@online.de>  C In article <1137512182.452890.259720@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,  bob@instantwhip.com writes:   H > I emailed and talked to head of manufacturing ... you can call them at > various numbers at >  > www.tadpole.com  >  > or email sales@tadpole.com > D > and many important people will see that email I have been told ...> > they have recently been merged with another company so theirB > is a lot scrutiny going on right now how to increase sales and aD > flood of emails or phone calls for an itanium/alpha notebook again > might do the job ...  + How many VMS laptops did Tadpole ever sell?   @ I had some contact with them 2 or 3 years ago.  They still offerG (perhaps used) tadpoles with VMS and warranty for less than what a new  F one cost 10 years ago.  Slow by today's standards, and as I mentioned E somewhere else there is no SUPPORT for 7.3 or anything later from HP.    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2006 10:20:50 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com 1 Subject: Re: Email Tadpole for itanium notebooks! C Message-ID: <1137522050.716223.299120@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   E if they cannot do an itanium, they could use an ev56 500mhz like in a 0 PWS ... that would make a great vms notebook ...   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2006 07:35:32 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) / Subject: Re: Farewell to a good reliable friend 3 Message-ID: <uzwAeI36Lm7o@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <slrndsnva8.3f2.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>, Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> writes:  > D > Dunno, but unless it has custom hardware attached to said VAX 8600B > system, it could very well be running under SIMH on Windows. :-)  H    Never seen a satellite simulator that didn't require custom hardware.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2006 07:44:37 -0800) From: rlrobert@texaschildrenshospital.org ' Subject: Re: Help with mini-copy please B Message-ID: <1137512677.704648.31210@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  D I am running VMS 7.3-2 on an ES40 two node cluster.  We use minicopyC with 3 member shadow sets in conjunction with backup each night.  I D want to l leave the 3rd member of the shadow set broken all day, andC copy it back in right before we need to break it again for the next C backup, to effectively have a near-line copy most all the time.  Is A there a limit on how long the disk can be broken and still do the C minicopy?  Does the amount of activity on the shadow set impact it?    thanks,  becky     / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: H > In article <NgMLGzTo8+f0@malvm9.mala.bc.ca>, nothome@spammers.are.scum > (Malcolm Dunnett) writes:  > 0 > > In article <aX9ZR098tniL@cuebid.zko.hp.com>,7 > >    brooks@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes:  > > @ > > >>   Why didn't the other two members come in with minicopy.  > > >> Did I do something wrong? > > > D > > > You are attempting to use a feature that does not exist (yet). > > > F > >    Ah, that would explain it. Seems like a nice feature, I'll look& > > forward to it in the next version. > > D > >    Why did one disk come back in without a copy operation? Is itK > > perhaps because there were no writes to that shadowset while the second 3 > > disk was offline, and there were to the others?  > J > I have seen that happen before, even before minicopy.  I THINK that evenH > after the timeout has kicked in the disk can come back in with no COPY  > if there have been now WRITEs.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2006 11:32:57 -0500. From: brooks@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks)' Subject: Re: Help with mini-copy please , Message-ID: <wZbuXs+wVgne@cuebid.zko.hp.com>  + rlrobert@texaschildrenshospital.org writes:   F > I am running VMS 7.3-2 on an ES40 two node cluster.  We use minicopyE > with 3 member shadow sets in conjunction with backup each night.  I F > want to l leave the 3rd member of the shadow set broken all day, andE > copy it back in right before we need to break it again for the next E > backup, to effectively have a near-line copy most all the time.  Is C > there a limit on how long the disk can be broken and still do the E > minicopy?  Does the amount of activity on the shadow set impact it?   F There is no time limit on how long a device can be removed and readded and still use minicopy.   H The amount of activity on the shadow set whilst the member is removed isE only relevant in that the time needed for the minicopy to complete is B directly proportional to the amount of activity on the shadow set.  F If the member is left out for a very long time, it's possible that theA minicopy bitmap will be so full that you are effectively doing a  
 full copy.  E The DCL command $ SHOW DEVICE /BITMAP [/FULL] [DSAnnn:] will tell you  how full the bitmap is.    --    L Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.hp.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:27:26 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> ' Subject: Re: Help with mini-copy please 1 Message-ID: <iGazf.1690$b%6.889@news.cpqcorp.net>    Rob Brooks wrote: J > The amount of activity on the shadow set whilst the member is removed isG > only relevant in that the time needed for the minicopy to complete is D > directly proportional to the amount of activity on the shadow set.  H "Activity" might not be the best word to use here, as it is not so much H the amount of activity, but the number of 127-block segments which have F been written to while the member was absent, which matters. You could G have a huge amount of disk I/O activity to a few hot spots on the disk  @ without increasing the elapsed time of the subsequent mini-copy.  H > If the member is left out for a very long time, it's possible that theC > minicopy bitmap will be so full that you are effectively doing a   > full copy.  G But even in that worst-case scenario, where every 127-block segment on  E the entire disk has been written to while the member was absent, the  : mini-copy operation will still be faster than a full-copy.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:23:52 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)' Subject: Re: Help with mini-copy please $ Message-ID: <dqjcno$2uq$5@online.de>  > In article <iGazf.1690$b%6.889@news.cpqcorp.net>, Keith Parris' <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> writes:     > Rob Brooks wrote: L > > The amount of activity on the shadow set whilst the member is removed isI > > only relevant in that the time needed for the minicopy to complete is F > > directly proportional to the amount of activity on the shadow set. > J > "Activity" might not be the best word to use here, as it is not so much J > the amount of activity, but the number of 127-block segments which have H > been written to while the member was absent, which matters. You could I > have a huge amount of disk I/O activity to a few hot spots on the disk  B > without increasing the elapsed time of the subsequent mini-copy.  
 Of course.  J > > If the member is left out for a very long time, it's possible that theE > > minicopy bitmap will be so full that you are effectively doing a   > > full copy. > I > But even in that worst-case scenario, where every 127-block segment on  G > the entire disk has been written to while the member was absent, the  < > mini-copy operation will still be faster than a full-copy.   Why.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:23:20 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)' Subject: Re: Help with mini-copy please $ Message-ID: <dqjcmo$2uq$4@online.de>  H In article <wZbuXs+wVgne@cuebid.zko.hp.com>, brooks@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes:    - > rlrobert@texaschildrenshospital.org writes:  > H > > I am running VMS 7.3-2 on an ES40 two node cluster.  We use minicopyG > > with 3 member shadow sets in conjunction with backup each night.  I H > > want to l leave the 3rd member of the shadow set broken all day, andG > > copy it back in right before we need to break it again for the next G > > backup, to effectively have a near-line copy most all the time.  Is E > > there a limit on how long the disk can be broken and still do the G > > minicopy?  Does the amount of activity on the shadow set impact it?  > H > There is no time limit on how long a device can be removed and readded > and still use minicopy.  > J > The amount of activity on the shadow set whilst the member is removed isG > only relevant in that the time needed for the minicopy to complete is D > directly proportional to the amount of activity on the shadow set. > H > If the member is left out for a very long time, it's possible that theC > minicopy bitmap will be so full that you are effectively doing a   > full copy. > G > The DCL command $ SHOW DEVICE /BITMAP [/FULL] [DSAnnn:] will tell you  > how full the bitmap is.   H Presumably, when MINICOPY starts working even for unexpected dismounts, F system crashes etc, what will happen is that the write bitmap will be I created when the shadow set is mounted.  Or am I wrong here?  If I'm not  F wrong, presumably after a lot of disk activity, as you say, the write I bitmap will be so full that essentially a full copy will take place.  In  F that case, could a full copy actually be QUICKER (perhaps due to less 
 overhead)?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 02:57:44 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> : Subject: Re: HP, read this about demand for desktop linux!0 Message-ID: <11sp8rs8e5ooj89@corp.supernews.com>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:7 > actually, if linux succeeds on the desktop, that will 8 > prove either HP execs are either stupid or on the take > from micro$oft ... >   # You been off your medication again?   9 Why would MicroSoft want Linux to succeed on the desktop?    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 03:13:02 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> : Subject: Re: HP, read this about demand for desktop linux!, Message-ID: <43CCA6E2.DE378BF0@teksavvy.com>   Dave Froble wrote:; > Why would MicroSoft want Linux to succeed on the desktop?      Market segmentation:   Apple   for  ARTISTS Linux   for  COMMUNISTS  Windows for  CAPITALISTS  F (When you think about Linux is a communist structure where nobody owns4 it, everyone contributes to it, nobody pays for it).  H Windows is for people who believe in helping Microsoft make more profits$ even though the product is mediocre.    C VMS was for intelligent people who wanted quality before looks. But E because there is no "IST" word to define this market, it was complete G shut out and is now just a niche market little known product with about B as much exposure as VXworks or other specialised embedded systems.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:59:07 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> : Subject: Re: HP, read this about demand for desktop linux!= Message-ID: <43ccb1d6$0$78283$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>    bob@instantwhip.com wrote:E > and if this is the case, there goes your argument for no demand for A > desktop OpenVMS ... DCL is more dos-like than anything else out C > there which makes it ideal for the desktop becuase many users are B > already familiar with dos commands, plus vms commands can easilyD > be tailored to an individuals use ... the xwindows interaface just > needs A > some work like the linux one and apps ported ... then you would 
 > actuallyA > have a secure desktop in vms unlike 2000 certs a year linux ...  > " > so, HP, what is your excuse now? >  > S > http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/story/0,10801,107766,00.html  > 2 Things to do before VMS can return on the desktop:  % 1) Upgrade X11 to the newest version.   G 2) Provide an office package by, e.g., porting OpenOffice or Microsoft   Office to VMS.  D 3) Provide a set of desktop applications like a web browser, a file G browser, an E-mail client, etc.  VMS has some of it, but much of it is  / too outdated to meet the expatiations of today.   I 4) Make it available on laptops.  That means that the must be a suitable  D microprocessor.  So, either HP will have to pay Intel to make a low H power version of Itanic or HP will have to move VMS to a platform where 0 such microprocessors are available (like Apple.)  D 5) Make it available at an affordable price.  Linux is cheaper than H Windows, yet it has problems getting into the market.  VMS will have to D be available on desktops costing less than $300 without monitor and H laptops costing less than $500.  And please do not tell me that you are H willing to pay much more for a laptop or a desktop computer.  There are I too many bean counters that will not.  Apple has computers not that more  F expensive than PCs, yet they have not had an easy time.  VMS will not F stand a chance on the desktop if people are going to pay more for the B hardware for VMS than they have to when they buy Windows or Linux.  I I cannot see VMS return on the desktop without moving to the PC hardware  G platform, and that means moving VMS to x86-64.  They will also have to  : use lots of money for marketing this new desktop platform.  H Now, where is HP going to get the money for all this?  Please note that D the porting of VMS and applications will take more than 3 years and ; during that period HP will get no return of the investment.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:03:34 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> : Subject: Re: HP, read this about demand for desktop linux!= Message-ID: <43cccf00$0$67263$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote: > ; >>Why would MicroSoft want Linux to succeed on the desktop?  >  >  >  > Market segmentation: >  > Apple   for  ARTISTS > Linux   for  COMMUNISTS  > Windows for  CAPITALISTS > H > (When you think about Linux is a communist structure where nobody owns6 > it, everyone contributes to it, nobody pays for it). > J > Windows is for people who believe in helping Microsoft make more profits& > even though the product is mediocre. >  > E > VMS was for intelligent people who wanted quality before looks. But G > because there is no "IST" word to define this market, it was complete I > shut out and is now just a niche market little known product with about D > as much exposure as VXworks or other specialised embedded systems.  # VMS for the computer professionals?    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:22:21 GMT 0 From: John Santos <john.santos@post.harvard.edu>: Subject: Re: HP, read this about demand for desktop linux!> Message-ID: <MPG.1e36e3caf07f091f9896ff@news.bellatlantic.net>  E In article <11sp8rs8e5ooj89@corp.supernews.com>, davef@tsoft-inc.com   says...  > bob@instantwhip.com wrote:9 > > actually, if linux succeeds on the desktop, that will : > > prove either HP execs are either stupid or on the take > > from micro$oft ... > >  > % > You been off your medication again?  > ; > Why would MicroSoft want Linux to succeed on the desktop?   = I don't think that's Bob's point.  (Defending Bob - Yikes :-)    Bob's premises:    1) Linux succeeds.  , 2) It is possible to beat M$ on the desktop.  B 3) VMS is a better underlying platform than Linux, so if Linux can do it, so could VMS.   4) So why didn't they try?   Bob's conclusions:  @ 5A)  HP execs were stupid, they could have had a very successful# product if they had invested in it.    or...   > 5B) HP execs (or their DEC/Compaq predecessors) must be on the? take from M$, because they passed up a good opportunity to make @ lots of money for HP on VMS desktops.  (I.E. they took the money	 and ran.)      ----  > I don't necessarily agree with all the points above - I'm just= trying to summarize Bob's thinking and show it does not imply & at all that M$ wants Linux to succeed.  < In fact, I could quibble with all of them, except (possibly)+ # 2!  Some day, like Dubya, M$ will fall...   < 1) Linux succeeds (on the desktop).  Well, time will tell...  < 2) It is possible to beat M$.  Technically, that's easy (for: some values of *easy*.)  Lot's of things are better for at< least some component of the desktop.  Virtually any other OS= is better then Windows.  Mac OS X seems better from virtually ; any standpoint.  There are lots of better web browsers than < IE, lots of better mail clients than Outlook, lots of better: just about anythings than the M$ versions.  But this isn't enough.   = There are lots of cheaper O/S's and apps than the M$ versions > (but not Mac OS X, which seems a little more expensive, though4 I don't have hard numbers to back this up.)  That is also not enough.  9 M$ seems to win right now on easy of installation and use ; (except maybe against Mac OS X) until it explodes.  It also 6 wins on breadth of 3rd party software.  (Maybe someday> Java or some other truly portable successor will fix that, but; right now you need a lot more CPU cycles to do something in : Java than you do in native code for any architecture, so aA native app will have a performance advantage.  Waiting 15 seconds ; for a Java-based office suite to fire up on my Powerbook is D much more annoying than waiting 5 seconds for MS office to start.)    3 But most of this is fixable, unlike M$ security :-)   : Whether it will be Linux that does it is another question.  = 3) VMS is a better underlying platform than Linux.  Yeah, but , that is far from the only factor involved...  ; 4) So why didn't they try?  Well, they did try (All-in-One) ) but gave up, maybe too soon, maybe not.     = 5A) HP were stupid.  Maybe they accurately assessed the risks > and benefits, and decided (legitimately but incorrectly - this= assuming Linux succeeds) that it wasn't worth the investment. = We can't know without knowing all kinds of inside information  that none of us are privy to.   < 5B) HP execs were paid off by M$.  Maybe, follow the money!,: but there is no evidence of this.  If HP (vs. their execs)8 was paid off by M$ (I.e. there was no malfeasance), then< maybe HP was better off as a result, or maybe their analysis< was wrong and they would have been better off not taking the; deal. ("Payoffs" might include such things as better prices ; on bundled M$ products in their PC line, rebates, marketing 8 help, etc.)  Or maybe the whole thing is just a paranoid	 delusion.   = 5C-5Z) 24 other reasons why HP decided to abandon the desktop  market for VMS.     A I suspect someday it might well be possible to run just about any @ current ("current" that time in the indefinite future) "desktop"< application on a VMS system, provided it still exists or the; necessary glue has been ported (by a committed group of VMS < partisans, if not by HP), but it will require something muchB more powerful than my AlphaStation 200 to run them :-)  And no way? on a VAX.  The reason I think this is if third-party developers E decide they need an escape route from M$ and then get tired of having < to maintain everything on M$, OS X, Linux, and whatever else< comes along, and demand or settle on some portable set of OS9 facilities they need (possibly based on Java, possibly on ; some subset that can be implemented with better performance ? on all the platforms), then everything important will be ported @ to this common environment.  Right now, the "common environment": is Windows, but it's proprietary, buggy, poorly documented? (secret API's that M$ put in there to give their own apps a leg : up on the competition), not portable, and just plain ugly.  < I realize this is a holy grail that people have been looking= for since the days COBOL and FORTRAN were invented, but it is < getting closer, which is why I said 'just about any" instead( of "any".  After all, it is just a SMOP.     --   John   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:35:26 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>: Subject: Re: HP, read this about demand for desktop linux!> Message-ID: <yV9zf.151140$D47.12422@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   John Santos wrote:   >  > Bob's premises:  >  > 1) Linux succeeds. > . > 2) It is possible to beat M$ on the desktop. > D > 3) VMS is a better underlying platform than Linux, so if Linux can > do it, so could VMS. >  > 4) So why didn't they try?  E I believe Mark Gorham intended to try with Itanium desktops combined  F with increased ease in porting from Unix. But he believed  absolutely I 100% that Intel would force the Itanic onto every desktop. I did ask him  F what would happen if Intel failed to establish Itanium and he replied G that wasn't an option. That was as at the "piss up in a brewery" event   in Reading.    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2006 10:16:42 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com : Subject: Re: HP, read this about demand for desktop linux!C Message-ID: <1137521802.442272.310040@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    bingo!  you win a cookie ...   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:16:01 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply): Subject: Re: HP, read this about demand for desktop linux!$ Message-ID: <dqjc91$2uq$2@online.de>  E In article <43ccb1d6$0$78283$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>, Karsten & Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> writes:   4 > Things to do before VMS can return on the desktop: > ' > 1) Upgrade X11 to the newest version.    Yes.  I > 2) Provide an office package by, e.g., porting OpenOffice or Microsoft   > Office to VMS.  ? No.  Come out with a really nice package to do stuff like word  I processing but using exclusively open file formats.  This will be hugely  I supported by the linux community.  The SOFTWARE can be as proprietary as  A you like, but the format of data which is exchanged must be open.   F > 3) Provide a set of desktop applications like a web browser, a file I > browser, an E-mail client, etc.  VMS has some of it, but much of it is  1 > too outdated to meet the expatiations of today.   I This could be done with relatively little work.  Of course, it should be  F compatible with VMS MAIL etc.  There are already such packages around.  K > 4) Make it available on laptops.  That means that the must be a suitable  F > microprocessor.  So, either HP will have to pay Intel to make a low J > power version of Itanic or HP will have to move VMS to a platform where 2 > such microprocessors are available (like Apple.)   Not essential, but a good move.   F > 5) Make it available at an affordable price.  Linux is cheaper than J > Windows, yet it has problems getting into the market.  VMS will have to F > be available on desktops costing less than $300 without monitor and J > laptops costing less than $500.  And please do not tell me that you are J > willing to pay much more for a laptop or a desktop computer.  There are K > too many bean counters that will not.  Apple has computers not that more  H > expensive than PCs, yet they have not had an easy time.  VMS will not H > stand a chance on the desktop if people are going to pay more for the D > hardware for VMS than they have to when they buy Windows or Linux.  # LICENSE COSTS FOR SMALL BUSINESSES!    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2006 10:17:30 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com : Subject: Re: HP, read this about demand for desktop linux!C Message-ID: <1137521850.161949.128240@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   . microsoft cannot stop linux, but they can vms!   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:09:17 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)- Subject: Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now! $ Message-ID: <dqi56s$64q$1@online.de>  C In article <1137434600.716231.312410@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,  bob@instantwhip.com writes:   A > I should not have to buy an alpha or itanium server just to run ; > vms at home, and a laptop would also allow me to carry my ; > work with me ... the browser is there, so why not make an  > itanium lap top HP?   H I agree.  In the old days, one of the strengths of DEC was that VMS was I VMS, from desktop to datacenter.  I was really, really disappointed when  C Palmer started saying stuff like "let VMS be the back end for your  F Microsoft front end" (whose front end was connected to whose back end I there?).  There have usually (always?) been at least "small servers with  I a graphics card", which is a workstation by any other name.  It would be  E nice to see that trend continue, but I still detect the ghost of Bob   Palmer.   I As for VMS on Itanium, the selling point has always been that the reason  F to do VMS on Itanium was that it is "industry standard" and I believe G Hoff has stated here that, while of course VMS engineering cannot test  I and hence cannot support every possible dime-store laptop configuration,  E at least no Itanium system will be deliberately crippled (as was the  H case with some ALPHAs) so that it can't run VMS.  On the other hand, it E would be nice to see VMS officially supported on a reasonably-priced  B laptop (by which I mean something cheaper than a used 10-year-old < Tadpole (on which 7.2(-x) is the latest supported version).)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 02:29:28 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> - Subject: Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now! + Message-ID: <43CC9CAE.436CC38@teksavvy.com>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: J > a graphics card", which is a workstation by any other name.  It would beF > nice to see that trend continue, but I still detect the ghost of Bob	 > Palmer.     G Marcello was quoted bragging about being the one bright light in HP who H decided to announce IA64 was to be limited to the high end market niche.  B On the other end, by doing so, Marcello is ensuring IA64 dies more@ quickly. The only question is when/if VMS will be ported to HP's surviving platform. (the 8086).     F From a market point of view, when you look at what Linux has been ableG to do, there is 0 reason for a solid and suported system such as VMS to E make it head to head against Linux and Windows on the 8086 platform.    G And given IA64's limited markets, it sio ludicrous to limit VMS to that F one market when it could reach a whole lot more customers if it ran on industry standard stuff.  G From HP's point of view, having VMS on the 8086 would increase the 8086 D server/desktops sales, the one big metric that is used to compare HP against others.   C And HP needs to understand that if VMS steals a windows sale, it is E still revenu that goes to HP. Same for stealing Linux or HP-UX sales.     G And just look at how quickly ISVs are ramping up applictaions on Linux, 0 an os that was just a hacker's toy not long ago.  H Give VMS a chance. It won't hurt HP to port it to the 8086 since all VMS* sales will go towards increasing HP sales.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:10:03 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)- Subject: Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now! $ Message-ID: <dqjbtr$2uq$1@online.de>  4 In article <43CC9CAE.436CC38@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei' <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:    L > > a graphics card", which is a workstation by any other name.  It would beH > > nice to see that trend continue, but I still detect the ghost of Bob > > Palmer.  > I > Marcello was quoted bragging about being the one bright light in HP who J > decided to announce IA64 was to be limited to the high end market niche. > D > On the other end, by doing so, Marcello is ensuring IA64 dies moreB > quickly. The only question is when/if VMS will be ported to HP's! > surviving platform. (the 8086).  > H > From a market point of view, when you look at what Linux has been ableI > to do, there is 0 reason for a solid and suported system such as VMS to G > make it head to head against Linux and Windows on the 8086 platform.    F I'm not so sure.  This has been debated quite a bit here, of course.  G However, considering that one can get VAX and ALPHA hardware FOR FREE,  D why hasn't VMS taken off?  Any argument about cost of the 8086 must I apply even more so for FREE hardware.  OK, there is no support, but what  G support is there for CHEAP 8086 hardware?  It is designed to work more  F or less for 2 or 3 years, since people then replace it with something I more powerful anyway (to be able to run the latest bloatware).  Any true  G businessman must see the much lower TCO due to the reliable hardware.   G OK, it's not the fastest, but how many, say, internet-based businesses  5 need fast hardware?  Some do, of course, but not all.   G I think the main issue is not hardware cost, but license costs.  IF HP  I wants to make inroads here, they need an entry-level commercial license,  F say 5% of your EBITA.  If that's more than a commercial license, then B one is of course free to buy a commercial license, and no-one can G complain that 5% of the EBITA is too much.  The main reason Linux took  E off is the lack of license cost.  It's certainly not due to reliable  H hardware or a much better OS.  Of course, once it took off, many people 7 became interested in it, wrote applications for it etc.   J > Give VMS a chance. It won't hurt HP to port it to the 8086 since all VMS, > sales will go towards increasing HP sales.  @ It could only compete with Linux if total costs are comparable. I Zero-cost licenses are NOT AN OPTION unless HP want to fund VMS from the  G sale of hardware (not completely absurd, but I don't see it happening,  I especially since with this type of port, people wouldn't have to buy the   hardware from HP).   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2006 03:43:24 -0800= From: "SanthoshfromJay@gmail.com" <SanthoshfromJay@gmail.com> ! Subject: Open VMS programing in C C Message-ID: <1137498204.747265.155600@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   F I tried all  the resources ( book shops  and Internet )  for a book orD material for VMS programing in C .  The hp doceumentations  "OpenVMSD Programming Concepts Manual " , "Compaq C Run-Time Library ReferenceG Manual for OpenVMS Systems "  and " Compaq C Run-Time Library Utilities 3 Reference Manual "  does not  suite for a beginer . @ More precisely "OpenVMS Programming Concepts Manual " has lot of+ frotran program examples than  C programs . E Can  anyone suggests a book similar to "Advanced Unix Programing " by  richard stevens   in VMS .  C After browsing  for a long time .. i felt open VMS is one such area > which has very less materials or course guides .excuse me ....  E Humm .. All i want  to ask group members is  " suggest me a good book 8 for Open VMS Programing in C " .  Thank you ............   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:40:11 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> % Subject: Re: Open VMS programing in C 9 Message-ID: <CA5zf.1808$924.102579@news20.bellglobal.com>   - <SanthoshfromJay@gmail.com> wrote in message  = news:1137498204.747265.155600@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... G >I tried all  the resources ( book shops  and Internet )  for a book or F > material for VMS programing in C .  The hp doceumentations  "OpenVMSF > Programming Concepts Manual " , "Compaq C Run-Time Library ReferenceI > Manual for OpenVMS Systems "  and " Compaq C Run-Time Library Utilities 5 > Reference Manual "  does not  suite for a beginer . B > More precisely "OpenVMS Programming Concepts Manual " has lot of- > frotran program examples than  C programs . G > Can  anyone suggests a book similar to "Advanced Unix Programing " by  > richard stevens   in VMS . > E > After browsing  for a long time .. i felt open VMS is one such area @ > which has very less materials or course guides .excuse me .... > G > Humm .. All i want  to ask group members is  " suggest me a good book : > for Open VMS Programing in C " .  Thank you ............ >   H Before diving in too deeply, you might want to review the material here:1 http://www.pottsoft.com/home/c_course/course.html * http://www.pottsoft.com/home/stl/stl.htmlx2 both pages are written from a DEC/VMS perspective.  H If you are already an expert and you want to jump into doing VMS system   calls, then check out this site:) http://www.eight-cubed.com/examples.shtml   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 03:15:37 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> O Subject: Re: Setting Read-Only Permissions on a Directory & all Sub-Directories 0 Message-ID: <11sp9ti4m123o1b@corp.supernews.com>   Shawn M. wrote: 	 > Hi All,  > E > What would be the best way to assign read-only permissions to a top 4 > level directory and all sub-directories and files. > F > I have a user who has copied all their data to an existing directory/ > and wants it read only so no deletions occur.  > 0 > I am running OpenVMS 7.2-1 on an Alpha Server. > 	 > Thanks   > Shawn  >   , Set Protection=(S:R,O:R,G:R,W:R) [A...]*.*;*   or, the new way, see   HELP SET SECURITY    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 03:44:08 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> O Subject: Re: Setting Read-Only Permissions on a Directory & all Sub-Directories , Message-ID: <43CCAE2A.33FE029A@teksavvy.com>   "Shawn M." wrote: E > What would be the best way to assign read-only permissions to a top 4 > level directory and all sub-directories and files.  1 SET FILE [mydirectory...]*.*;* /PROT=(O:RE,G,W,S)   > Owner can only "read and execute", others can't read the file.   You will also need to:  3 SET FILE [000000]mydirectory.dir /PROT=(O:RE,G,W,S)   H This way, the owner cannot write to the directory, which means he cannot delete or create files.   F Also, when a privileged user modifies/creates files in that directory,: they inherit onwership/prot from the direcory file itself.    E If you wish files to be owner by X, but readable by a group of users, G you can create a rights identifier ( lets call it CHOCOLATE_GROUP). You 8 use authorise to GRANT   CHOCOLATE_GROUP to those users.   Then, you :   P 1  SET FILE [mydirectory...]*.*;*  /acl=(id=CHOCOLATE_GROUP,ACCESS=READ+EXECUTE)_ 2  SET FILE [mydirectory...]*.dir;*/acl=(id=CHOCOLATE_GROUP,ACCESS=READ+EXECUTE,OPTION=DEFAULT)   R 3  SET FILE [000000]mydirectory.dir  /acl=(id=CHOCOLATE_GROUP,ACCESS=READ+EXECUTE)a 4  SET FILE [000000]mydirectory.dir;*/acl=(id=CHOCOLATE_GROUP,ACCESS=READ+EXECUTE,OPTION=DEFAULT)      1 sets the ACL for all files  0 2 sets the ACL for the top level directory file.  E 2 and 4 make it a default option for directory files which causes any ? newsly created files directly under them to inherit their ACLs.       D Yes, I know, the VMS engineers have decided to make the above syntaxA redundant with new commands, but those commands are more natural.    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2006 05:41:50 -0800+ From: "Shawn M." <shawnm1964@sbcglobal.net> O Subject: Re: Setting Read-Only Permissions on a Directory & all Sub-Directories B Message-ID: <1137505310.896631.19730@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  > Deletions by whom? The user, someone else, the system manager?  F Sorry, I should have been a little more clear.  The owner of the filesE doesn't want other users or himself to accidently delete the files, I B will also make sure the system manager cannot delete them as well.  G These examples are great and I can use them thank you all for the help.    Shawn      Shawn M. wrote: 	 > Hi All,  > E > What would be the best way to assign read-only permissions to a top 4 > level directory and all sub-directories and files. > F > I have a user who has copied all their data to an existing directory/ > and wants it read only so no deletions occur.  > 0 > I am running OpenVMS 7.2-1 on an Alpha Server. > 	 > Thanks   > Shawn    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2006 07:44:14 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) O Subject: Re: Setting Read-Only Permissions on a Directory & all Sub-Directories 3 Message-ID: <qTxMJtMJf4pZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <1137473549.832058.37380@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Shawn M." <shawnm1964@sbcglobal.net> writes:	 > Hi All,  > E > What would be the best way to assign read-only permissions to a top 4 > level directory and all sub-directories and files. > F > I have a user who has copied all their data to an existing directory/ > and wants it read only so no deletions occur.   +    set prot=(s:r,o:r,g:r,w:r) [000000]a.dir )    set prot=(s:r,o:r,g:r,w:r) [a...]*.*;*   %  Then go through and remove any ACLs.   E  Know that none of this will stop a sufficiently privileged user, nor B  absolutely stop the file onwer, but it will prevent the user fromC  accidentally deleteing files and is probably what the user wanted.   A  Even though I have a privileged acconut, I don't run with all my H  privileges enabled and the above is sufficient for me to prevent my own  accidents.    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2006 07:13:20 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>O Subject: Re: Setting Read-Only Permissions on a Directory & all Sub-Directories C Message-ID: <1137510800.198757.290160@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Shawn M. wrote: @ > Deletions by whom? The user, someone else, the system manager? > H > Sorry, I should have been a little more clear.  The owner of the filesG > doesn't want other users or himself to accidently delete the files, I D > will also make sure the system manager cannot delete them as well.  C Please note that anyone who has BYPASS privilege and enables it can G accidentally (or otherwise) delete any file on any volume he has access G to. (The only exceptions I can think of offhand are non-empty directory  files and lost files.)   [...]    AEF    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:29:09 -0500 - From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> O Subject: Re: Setting Read-Only Permissions on a Directory & all Sub-Directories I Message-ID: <8660a3a10601170729m27c959b1h590937393f59858e@mail.gmail.com>   I On 16 Jan 2006 20:52:29 -0800, Shawn M. <shawnm1964@sbcglobal.net> wrote: 	 > Hi All,  > E > What would be the best way to assign read-only permissions to a top 4 > level directory and all sub-directories and files. > F > I have a user who has copied all their data to an existing directory/ > and wants it read only so no deletions occur.  > 0 > I am running OpenVMS 7.2-1 on an Alpha Server. >  > Thanks > Shawn  >  >   K The problem with most idiotproofing is the astonishing ingenuity of idiots.   @ The only foolproof way I can think of would be to burn it to CD.  ; Although if you wanted to be mean you could put it on tape, - write-protect the tape and mount it Files-11.    : ^ )    WWWebb   --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:31:49 -0600 (CST) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)O Subject: Re: Setting Read-Only Permissions on a Directory & all Sub-Directories 2 Message-ID: <06011709314946_20331674@antinode.org>  $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>  E > Please note that anyone who has BYPASS privilege and enables it can I > accidentally (or otherwise) delete any file on any volume he has access I > to. (The only exceptions I can think of offhand are non-empty directory  > files and lost files.)  E    CD-ROM.  (DVD-ROM, if you need more capacity and your stuff is new = enough.)  A read-write disk with a suitably set write-protect H jumper/switch is pretty good.  MOUNT /NOWRITE is not bad.  BACKUP can be useful.   E    It all depends on just how much protection you need, and what else  needs to be done.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:06:14 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>O Subject: Re: Setting Read-Only Permissions on a Directory & all Sub-Directories = Message-ID: <WB8zf.21220$lL4.20743@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    Steven M. Schweda wrote:   > G >    CD-ROM.  (DVD-ROM, if you need more capacity and your stuff is new ? > enough.)  A read-write disk with a suitably set write-protect J > jumper/switch is pretty good.  MOUNT /NOWRITE is not bad.  BACKUP can be	 > useful.   E Or perhaps mounting a container file virtual disk read-only might be  = good enough. As long as that doesn't get deleted of course...   G >    It all depends on just how much protection you need, and what else  > needs to be done.  > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 6 >    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98185 >    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org  >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:39:29 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com>   Subject: Re: shadowing questions2 Message-ID: <559zf.1680$DV6.1275@news.cpqcorp.net>   Keith Parris wrote: I > Bit-maps aren't copied between nodes, so the booting Alpha couldn't do  I > the mini-copy, as it would have no bit-map; another Alpha with a write   > bitmap would have to do it.   G The Shadowing developer tells me there is indeed a case where a Master  I write bitmaps is copied between nodes for mini-copies: If two nodes both  G have a shadowset mounted and one of them has a Master write bitmap but  F it is the other node which picks up the copy thread, the Master write ; bitmap will be copied to the node performing the mini-copy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:15:35 GMT , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>3 Subject: Re: sws2.1 DCL CGI problem in redir header 2 Message-ID: <rnbzf.1705$e07.1086@news.cpqcorp.net>  > two carriage returns are needed for all http protocal messages    ( <junezheng@eastlink.ca> wrote in message= news:1137428539.442285.167160@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... G > After I migrate from CSWS1.3 to sws2.1 on OPENVMS 8.2, all my DCL CGI H > scripts that uses "location: " header to redir to another URL run into( > Premature end of script headers error. > H > I found out that I have to output an extra blank line after the header > to make my scripts work. > * > Test script jy.com (that does not work):G > $WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "location: http://dymc.dymaxion.ca/cgi-bin/jy1.com"  > $WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "" >   > Test script jy.com(that works)G > $WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "location: http://dymc.dymaxion.ca/cgi-bin/jy1.com"  > $WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "" > $WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "" > ! > Test script jy.prl (that works) @ > print "location: http://dymc.dymaxion.ca/cgi-bin/jy1.com\n\n"; > I > Does anyone encounter the same problem?  Is there any solution for this 7 > other than modifying my scripts to output extra line?  > 	 > Thanks,  > G > June Young, Software Development                   bus: (902)422-1973  > x144D > Dymaxion Research Ltd., 5515 Cogswell St.,      fax: (902)421-12678 > Halifax, Nova Scotia, B3J 1R2 Canada           mailto: > JYoung@dymaxion.ca > http://www.dymaxion.ca >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:13:20 GMT , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>- Subject: Re: Technical Journal - Jan 06 Issue 1 Message-ID: <klbzf.1703$6C6.711@news.cpqcorp.net>   
 it's actually   D http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/v7/fake_rtl_com.txt and is   also included in the article  E I've updated the combined pdf but not the ps print as it takes a long    time to print and zip it.    -warren   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:43C861AA.AA4FCA8F@teksavvy.com...F > Sue, in the article about faking it, there is a link at the end to a > command procedure: > : > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/v7/comfile.txt > E > At this point in time, the HP web server returns a "file not found"  message. > F > As in previous version, some of the text is not quite readable on myF > MAC. So I'll have to select all text and paset it into a simple textC > editor to be able to read the text properly.  I am not sure it is  > missing fonts. > F > For instance, in the above article, in the paragraph "Will the "RealJ > Image Please Stand Up?" LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL has the F overprinted overB > the $ in one instance, but in the next line, it prints properly. >  >  > For the title: > ) > Figure 3 - F A KE _RTL Support Routines  > H > It appears as "Figure 3F   A* _RTL Support Routines where the "*" is a9 > blob of ink.  (Probably the KE overwriting each other).  > F > Interestingly, if I print it to a postscript laser printer, the text > comes out fine.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.034 ************************