0 INFO-VAX	Thu, 19 Jan 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 38      Contents: Re: 11/780 peripherals Re: 11/780 peripherals  Alpha systems currently in stock0 Re: Anyone have a 3520 (firefox) kb/mouse cable?( Re: Email Tadpole for itanium notebooks!( Re: Email Tadpole for itanium notebooks!% Re: Experiences using GCU$BALANCER.C? & Re: Extract SYSUAF.DAT into a CSV File& Re: Extract SYSUAF.DAT into a CSV File& Re: Extract SYSUAF.DAT into a CSV File& Re: Extract SYSUAF.DAT into a CSV File Re: For Mac fans... :-)  Re: For Mac fans... :-) 1 Re: HP, read this about demand for desktop linux! 1 Re: HP, read this about demand for desktop linux! 1 Re: HP, read this about demand for desktop linux! $ Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now!$ Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now!$ Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now!$ Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now!$ Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now!$ Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now!$ Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now!$ Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now!$ Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now!$ Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now! Re: KVM Switches5 Mail Quota Limit for MX SMTP Server (www.madgoat.com)  SFTP access violation?A Re: sws2.1 with mod_perl, exit() after $query->redirect() problem  [OT] For Mac fans... :-) Re: [OT] For Mac fans... :-) Re: [OT] For Mac fans... :-) Re: [OT] For Mac fans... :-) Re: [OT] For Mac fans... :-) Re: [OT] For Mac fans... :-) Re: [OT] For Mac fans... :-) Re: [OT] For Mac fans... :-) Re: [OT] For Mac fans... :-) Re: [OT] For Mac fans... :-) Re: [OT] For Mac fans... :-)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:46:28 GMT 0 From: John Santos <john.santos@post.harvard.edu> Subject: Re: 11/780 peripherals > Message-ID: <MPG.1e3929f99e62c077989700@news.bellatlantic.net>  / In article <mddfynljexn.fsf@panix5.panix.com>,  % news@alderson.users.panix.com says... ' > hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  > @ > > In article <mdd64oh44xi.fsf@panix5.panix.com>, Rich Alderson+ > > <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes:  > O > >: Is the TE16 the only tape drive from which VMS can be installed onto a 780  > >: or 785? > 
 > >   Nope.    > I > >   AFAIK, the TE16 is old even when compared to the VAX-11/780 series.  > L > OK, thanks.  The only 780 installation manual I have is from 1979, and theN > only drive it mentions is the TE16.  That seemed odd to me, but I'm a 36-bit > kind of guy. > L > >   I've used SI tape drives, Kennedy tape drives, and DIGITAL TU7x-class,M > >   TA7x-class and TU8x-class tape drives to install (as it was then known) J > >   VAX/VMS on these old VAX-11 boxes.  Which tape I/O options you have J > >   depend highly on whether you have a Unibus, CI, MASSBUS or other I/OK > >   path available on your Starlet (VAX-11/780) or Superstar (VAX-11/785) L > >   box.  All sorts of stuff could be found hanging off the VAX SBI here,  > >   after all. > & > So my TU78s should work?  In theory? >   G Used to have a TU78 on my 780.  I'm sure I must have done at least some F installations from it.  (We got it used/cheap fairly late in the 780'sF life, but new versions of VMS used to come out about every 6 months orF so, and I definitely would have used it in preference to the TE16, andH I don't remember *NOT* using it.)  SA backup definitely worked with it, ) and that's the main thing VMSINSTAL used.     K > >   After you did a few tape-based installations using Standalone BACKUP, J > >   you usually scrounged up a way to do a disk-based installation, too. > * > Love to, but this is from the ground up. >  > > 	--  > J > >   The "fun" that was involved in maintaining all these tape bootstrapsJ > >   was why OpenVMS Alpha chose to require optical media for the initial" > >   software installations, too. >  > No doubt.  >  > Thanks again!   G It's possible an old-enough version of SA Backup wouldn't recognize or  D support TU78's, but we have to be talking early V1.x.  It's the sameB driver as TE16 (MASSBUS TMDRIVER, though there are probably slight0 differences in how it was handled by the driver.   Try it!    --   John   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2006 08:11:14 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: 11/780 peripherals 3 Message-ID: <c4r3b5eW1fVH@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <mdd64oh44xi.fsf@panix5.panix.com>, Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes:O > Is the TE16 the only tape drive from which VMS can be installed onto a 780 or  > 785? >   H    No.  There were many MASSBUS, UDA, and KDA based tape drives which I K    used to do VMS installs on the 11/780 and 11/785.  I suspect some UNIBUS %    based tape drives would also work.   D    They were all 9-track and the original media was always 1600 BPI.  F    There were also cartridge tapes on the 11/750 that I think could beF    connected to 780 and 785, if you really wanted to slow things down.1    I only got stuck with doing one of those once.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:47:40 -0500 C From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> ) Subject: Alpha systems currently in stock 2 Message-ID: <NgPzf.5$cK6.1@bignews1.bellsouth.net>  H For what it's worth I thought I would tell y'all what systems we have in stock right now       54 x DS10 Systems 466 and 617Mhz 23 x XP1000 500  12 x XP1000 667 + 3 x GS160 - 1 with OpenVMS Base and SMP x 7 H                   2 unlicensed and VERY cheap _ if you are a spendthrift hobbyist we need to talk !  $ 800+ x DS10L 466Mhz (600+ in the UK)   12 x Alpha PWS500au  10 x Alpha PWS600au  6 x   Alpha PWS433au   3 x  Alphaserver 800 5/500    E All systems available with BRAND NEW OPENVMS BASE, EIP and SMP Volume  Shadowing Cluster licensesJ We can also provide brand NEW C, Pascal Fortran and other layered products licenses with system purchase.  We are authorised to sell these.    " Email or call for more information     --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X252  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:57:41 GMT = From: "Colin Butcher" <colinDOT.butcherAT@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk> 9 Subject: Re: Anyone have a 3520 (firefox) kb/mouse cable? ; Message-ID: <VDHzf.3791$wl.3756@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   K Isn't this the same as the extension cable for the VAXstation 4000 keyboard H and mouse? If so then you should be able to buy from one of the 2nd user folks.   --     Hope this helps. Cheers, Colin.' (colinDOT.butcherAT@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk)    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:46:49 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>1 Subject: Re: Email Tadpole for itanium notebooks! > Message-ID: <ZSLzf.157877$D47.51619@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   David J Dachtera wrote:    > B > I'd have to see it running an Enterprise class database (tens ofG > terabytes on hundreds of volumes with tens of thousands of concurrent  > clients).    Their benchmark is at V ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/eserver/benchmarks/news/newsblurb_x460_32way_sap_110305.pdf  I There seems no reason to believe this wouldn't scale up to Terrabytes of  F disk given that it had 256GB RAM and appears to be running the entire $ database in memory in the benchmark.  I I'm happy with the hardware specs and see no reason why this wouldn't be  C a highly reliable high-end VMS box given a port and it's a pity it  F doesn't have a better OS than  Windows or Linux available. Although I H guess if you bought a 32-way (or even 64 now with dual core) system and I phoned up Sun they'd bend over backwards to support Solaris as lower end  1 models in the series are in Sun's supported list.      > : >>The IBM system also has all of the big iron features you
 >>might want.  >  >  > ....except VMS.  >   	 Too true.    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2006 10:24:24 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com 1 Subject: Re: Email Tadpole for itanium notebooks! C Message-ID: <1137695064.053391.217260@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   ? this is up to intel to make happen, not wait for some vendor to B give it a try ... if you want itanium to succeed, you need to make this happen!   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:17:04 +0200 7 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_header@hp.com> . Subject: Re: Experiences using GCU$BALANCER.C?* Message-ID: <43c753f3@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  + "Jim Duff" <jim@127.0.0.1> wrote in message B news:6nHxf.252199$qk4.158149@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Group, > I > to balance some overnight batch workloads, we are considering using the H > code supplied in SYS$EXAMPLES:GCU$BALANCER.C on our galaxy partitioned	 > GS160s.  > H > I have modified the code to use SYS$GETRMI as opposed to accessing theG > COM queues via the kernel mode routine supplied with the program, and J > have added some additional error checking, but other than that I haven't# > changed any of the functionality.  > I > I would be interested to hear of other's experiences running this code,  > good or bad. > 	 > Thanks,  > Jim.  A Take a look at gWLM (Global Work Load Manager), it cost more than  GCU$BALANCER but it is much more powerful.    Guy    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2006 02:06:13 -0800+ From: "Lee Morgan" <leemorgan@ntlworld.com> / Subject: Re: Extract SYSUAF.DAT into a CSV File A Message-ID: <1137665173.861699.3270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Hi  : Thanks for the repsonse, however, I have a slight problem.  " /CSV isn't a recognised parameter.  5 I am using the version that came on the version 7 cd.    Do I need an earlier version??  E Also, I am trying to run this on an Alpha it that makes a difference.    Thanks.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2006 08:05:28 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) / Subject: Re: Extract SYSUAF.DAT into a CSV File 3 Message-ID: <T+C0IoIlbJYF@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <1137602920.785632.159380@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Lee Morgan" <leemorgan@ntlworld.com> writes:  > Hi > F > Is anybody aware of a proven way to extract the full contents of theB > SYSUAF file into a 'sortable' csv file so that I can interrogate& > specific users' / searches in excel? > ( > Any help would be greatly appreciated. >   G    The idea of moving such critical data into a Microsoft product (even ;    if it's Excel on a Mac) just hits all the wrong buttons.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2006 09:39:22 -06001 From: lederman@encompasserve.org (B. Z. Lederman) / Subject: Re: Extract SYSUAF.DAT into a CSV File 3 Message-ID: <EjEigO81PEhb@eisner.encompasserve.org>   G >> Is anybody aware of a proven way to extract the full contents of the C >> SYSUAF file into a 'sortable' csv file so that I can interrogate ' >> specific users' / searches in excel?  >>) >> Any help would be greatly appreciated.   A     Years (decades?) ago, a record definition for the SYSUAF file A  was developed for Datatrieve, and has been made freely available B  through any number of DECUS library submissions, SIG tapes, etc. <  I'm sure available on the Web through any of the web searchA  engines.  You wouldn't have to export to Excel, you could do all @  of your searches and reports directly: though reading data with@  Datatrieve and outputting it as CSV so it can be read somewhere1  else is a trivial exercise (I've done it often).   A     I, and others, have used the definition.  I just took a quick 5  look on my system and it appears to still work fine.   	     Bart.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:01:06 +0100 : From: Ton van der Zwet <ton.vanderzwet@oooovms.dyndns.org>/ Subject: Re: Extract SYSUAF.DAT into a CSV File 1 Message-ID: <43CFD3E2.8070601@oooovms.dyndns.org>    Lee Morgan wrote:  > Hi > < > Thanks for the repsonse, however, I have a slight problem. > $ > /CSV isn't a recognised parameter. > 7 > I am using the version that came on the version 7 cd.  >   > Do I need an earlier version?? > G > Also, I am trying to run this on an Alpha it that makes a difference.  > 	 > Thanks.  > C No, you need at least version 4.1. Current version is 4.2. You can  9 download the current version from the following website:  " http://www.oooovms.dyndns.org/dix/    From the release notes:   <...>  0410 <...> > 11. Added /CSV in file mode, This allows you to generate a CSV6     (comma separated values) file for import to excell <...>    Cheers!    Ton van der Zwet, 1 member of the OpenOffice to OpenVMS porting team.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2006 06:43:14 -0800; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com>   Subject: Re: For Mac fans... :-)B Message-ID: <1137681794.535437.54650@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Phaeton wrote: > Larry Kilgallen wrote:u > > In article <43cf52aa$0$23573$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, Phaeton <phaeton@iinet.net.au> writes:  > >  > >>	For a bit of a laugh : M > >>	http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5566658286032643965&q=mac+apple  > >  > > F > > To save everyone the bother of going to the URL, this is video oneH > > cannot play on VMS and even on other operating systems would require6 > > installing special Google software on the machine. > >  > > ! > >>	( No OS wars, please :-)   )  > >  > > < > > So why do you propose VMS-hostile URLs as a humor item ? > E > 	As I indicated in the subject, it is off topic, and not related to D > 	VMS, as far as I can tell. But I am sure there are VMS people outF > 	there using either Windows and/or Mac personal computers who would/F > 	might appreciate a bit of humor related to these operating systems. > E > 	VMS-hostile ? I might have to watch it again to see the hostility,   G By "VMS-hostile URL" he means that you cannot view it from a VMS system % using the available browsers for VMS.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 02:02:44 +1100 $ From: Phaeton <phaeton@iinet.net.au>  Subject: Re: For Mac fans... :-)J Message-ID: <43cfaa10$0$23574$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>   johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com wrote:  > Phaeton wrote: >  >>Larry Kilgallen wrote: >>t >>>In article <43cf52aa$0$23573$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, Phaeton <phaeton@iinet.net.au> writes: >>>  >>>  >>>>	For a bit of a laugh : M >>>>	http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5566658286032643965&q=mac+apple  >>>  >>> E >>>To save everyone the bother of going to the URL, this is video one G >>>cannot play on VMS and even on other operating systems would require 5 >>>installing special Google software on the machine.  >>>  >>>  >>> ! >>>>	( No OS wars, please :-)   )  >>>  >>> ; >>>So why do you propose VMS-hostile URLs as a humor item ?  >>E >>	As I indicated in the subject, it is off topic, and not related to D >>	VMS, as far as I can tell. But I am sure there are VMS people outF >>	there using either Windows and/or Mac personal computers who would/F >>	might appreciate a bit of humor related to these operating systems. >>E >>	VMS-hostile ? I might have to watch it again to see the hostility,  >  > I > By "VMS-hostile URL" he means that you cannot view it from a VMS system ' > using the available browsers for VMS.   C 	Oh, yes. True. ( Although the latest Mosaic on VMS *might* be able @ 	to play it, provided Macromedia Flash is installed :-) OK, I am@ 	pushing it... ) I have read enough posts of Larry to know whichA 	direction he is coming from. As I indicated, nowadays *many* VMS B 	person *also* might be using Windows and/or Mac computers, eitherA 	in their workplace or at home, and these apostates/renegades :-) B 	might enjoy a bit of fun to relieve their busy days administering 	VMS systems...   C 	But please don't let me distract you from the main subject of this A 	newsgroup, namely beating a dead horse, er, I mean bashing HP...  	:-)A                                         Cheers as usual,    Csaba   E --------------------------------------------------------------------- F   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  phaeton at iinet dot net dot auE --------------------------------------------------------------------- <     EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:  3   All things being equal, fat people use more soap.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2006 13:19:18 +0100K From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40) : Subject: Re: HP, read this about demand for desktop linux!! Message-ID: <LIbaTWgixZY0@sinead>   w In article <dqm1fk$deq$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  [...]  > E > These days, there are servers which are smaller than a traditional  K > workstation, since memory is smaller and disks can be connected via some  G > sort of network.  So, these days, all that's really needed to have a  J > workstation is to support a graphics card and make that available as an  > option in a small server.   # A graphic card AND a sound card :-)    Patrick  --O =============================================================================== N pmoreau@ath.cena.fr              ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)4 DSNA/DTI/SDER (ex CENA)         / /   /     / /|  /|J Athis-Mons France              / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/              http://membres.lycos.fr/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2006 07:53:16 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) : Subject: Re: HP, read this about demand for desktop linux!3 Message-ID: <6JQIwvfsq$9H@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <4371jdF1lgm57U5@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:   H > When the windows box is just a terminal to get you to the machine withI > the real applications on it, you can do minimal installs, ghost backups H > and real fast repair.  Of course, if they are really just terminals toI > access your VMS system, there is no reason why they would need any form H > of connectivity beyond the server they run their applications from andB > that pretty much eliminates any chance of them getting infected.  F    If they really are just terminals, then you could use anything elseD    and get work of all that work you described for a Windows system.   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jan 2006 17:27:38 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon): Subject: Re: HP, read this about demand for desktop linux!, Message-ID: <43a0gaF1mt4qaU1@individual.net>  3 In article <6JQIwvfsq$9H@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:Y > In article <4371jdF1lgm57U5@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  > I >> When the windows box is just a terminal to get you to the machine with J >> the real applications on it, you can do minimal installs, ghost backupsI >> and real fast repair.  Of course, if they are really just terminals to J >> access your VMS system, there is no reason why they would need any formI >> of connectivity beyond the server they run their applications from and C >> that pretty much eliminates any chance of them getting infected.  > H >    If they really are just terminals, then you could use anything elseF >    and get work of all that work you described for a Windows system.  I Well, that's Xterminals.  I don't know if they still sell real Xterminals I but in any case, I am sure they would cost considerably more than a bare- F bones PC with the version of Windows that it came with.  Plus, you canJ use the already existing PC's within the organization.  Even old slow PC'sI make pretty decent Xterminals when they aren't running all that MS bloat-  ware.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:43:34 +0100  From: S <soterroatyahoodotcom>- Subject: Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now! & Message-ID: <43cf7b62$1@news1.ethz.ch>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: S > If I have an essentially unlimited supply of hardware, then I don't need hardware  > support.    D Unlimited you say? Even this old hardware will eventually fail and, D well, nobody is producing it anymore. You cannot sign a maintenance I contract with eBay guaranteeing that in 5 years they will have the right  = replacement GS. Would you bet your shop on something with no  B replacements in sight? I can picture companies gathering in their H basements all the hardware they see, just in case, and praying no flood D will leak into that basement... And of course, this hardware cannot G upgrade to tomorrow's needs because, well, there are no newer machines  G produced. Really, who in his right mind is willing to _start_ his shop  I with EOL-ined hardware? My guess is only somebody who doesn't plan ahead.   E As we can see, with old machines and emulators you can only convince  H some of the old customers to stay with you - don't forget that shifting B platforms can be a too big cost. Otherwise the chances to win new  customers are... well...   S    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:27:12 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> - Subject: Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now! = Message-ID: <43cf7789$0$67256$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:J > Redhat are a bunch of amateurs.  There are people who have been doing itK > much longer.  So, does Redhat still have two different distros?  One they  > give away and one they sell?  I CentOS (www.centos.org) should be Redhat without the copyrighted images.  3   And Redhat has fedora for those who will not pay.   D > Yeah, the GNU guys have no problem taking the work of others while0 > complaining about what bastards they are.  :-) >  > I >>One reason for requiring people to sign over their copyright to FSF is  ? >>that then FSF can change the license should that be needed.    >  > J > Isn't that what I just said could happen with a system like this?  ThereI > is nothing to stop them from privatizing all the software that has been  > signed over to them.    I In theory yes.  In practice it will be very difficult for them to do it,  B because they cannot stop people from forming a new foundation and $ continue software development there.  J > If you release it on the INTERNET with your Copyrights in place, it willH > be OpenSource forever.  No one can make it suddenly disappear from theH > thousands of machines that will archive it inside of a couple of days.G > What you really want is to force anyone who decides to use it to also K > make their work OpenSource thus encumbering all future software.  Doesn't   > sound particularly free to me.  E You are right on that.  My problem is that while I would like to get  F consulting jobs from people using my software.  If somebody with more F resources than me make a better closed source version of my software, . then I can kiss those consulting jobs goodbye.  J > The FSF and it's silly Gnu Piblic Virus have never been tested in court.I > Until the first case, you don't know that they have any more power than I > you do as an individual.  And as I said, there are people violating the K > spirit of the GPL now and I don't see anyone suing them.  And I don't see . > them loosing any sleep over the possibility.  I FSF claims that they have always been capable of either making violators  3 stop distributing the violating code or publish it.   N > If you want your code to be public, make it public.  If you want to restrictN > who can use it and how it can be used, then only make it available to peopleK > under a license.  But don't release encumbered software and call it free. F > Free software has been around a lot longer than the FSF and the GPL.  A It seems to me that what really pisses you for is that FSF calls  H software under GPL free.  Well that is good marketing.  I think you are H too angry.  Yes there are things you cannot do with software under GPL, G but you can do even less with closed source software, e.g., if you buy  B the source of VMS then you cannot modify the code and publish the 
 changed code.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:46:24 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> - Subject: Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now! = Message-ID: <43cf7c09$0$67263$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>    JF Mezei wrote: 4 > Windows is actively being developped by its owner.  C Microsoft seems not to develop products unless they are subject to  F competition.  Consider IE.  After Microsoft won over Netscape nothing ? happen to that product until Mozella and Opera became a threat.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:06:18 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> - Subject: Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now! = Message-ID: <43cf80b3$0$67255$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>    David J Dachtera wrote: I > Think: Citrix. Citrix is an "X-windows" paradigm for MS-Windows in that @ > the program runs on a "server", but is displayed on a desktop.  G Sun has been trying to sell dumb screens connected to big machines for  E years.  It has turned Sun around from a company loosing market share.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2006 08:00:16 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - Subject: Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now! 3 Message-ID: <SAE9os3YILQe@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <43CEBA47.22A3FD60@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > @ > VMS hasn't done any development on many parts of VMS in years.  F    What planet have you been on?  VMS Engineering has delivered on theC    majority of the planned and some additional changes as published     on HP's web pages.   C    They may not be the toys you want to play with, but they are the /    capabilities major customers are asking for.   C    Yes, I'd like to have those toys, too.  But my hobbyist machines (    aren't generating any revenue for HP.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2006 08:01:02 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - Subject: Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now! 3 Message-ID: <WpF767xoEALz@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <1137621820.070249.69630@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, davidc@montagar.com writes: > I > Okay, I'll play Devil's Advocate here:  WHY do there need to be Xwindow H > apps on OpenVMS so that the display can be directed to a desktop?  WhyG > not client/server?  Web-based apps?  Or why not write the app for the H > desktop in the first place?  XWindows for the PC is free, but is it in > common usage?       X windows is client-server.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2006 09:20:10 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) - Subject: Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now! 3 Message-ID: <V105ftlXN4oB@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <43cfacf4$0$67256$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>, Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> writes:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote:4 >> Just not good enough for the VMS I know and love. >>  L >> http://secunia.com/advisories/14444/ lists 8 Security Advisories for VMS. >>  F >> Fully 6 of those are related to code written in C ported from otherA >> operating systems.  What reason is there to believe OpenOffice  >> would be any different ?  > C > OpenOffice stores macros in separate files.  Yes, there could be  J > viruses, but they are never going to be as big a problem as, e.g., Word  > macro viruses.  A The 6 listed vulnerabilities had nothing to do with Word Viruses. = It is fully possible to have a security vulnerability with no @ connection to macros.  But the track record of C software ported+ to VMS from other environments is not good.    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jan 2006 17:50:00 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)- Subject: Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now! , Message-ID: <43a1q8F1m7jmlU1@individual.net>  = In article <43cf7789$0$67256$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>, . 	Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > K >> If you release it on the INTERNET with your Copyrights in place, it will I >> be OpenSource forever.  No one can make it suddenly disappear from the I >> thousands of machines that will archive it inside of a couple of days. H >> What you really want is to force anyone who decides to use it to alsoL >> make their work OpenSource thus encumbering all future software.  Doesn't! >> sound particularly free to me.  > G > You are right on that.  My problem is that while I would like to get  H > consulting jobs from people using my software.  If somebody with more H > resources than me make a better closed source version of my software, 0 > then I can kiss those consulting jobs goodbye.  C If you want to make money off your work, keep it private.  Once you E give something away it is silly to expect people to pay you after the E fact.  That seems just like the bait&switch you mentioned previously.    > K >> The FSF and it's silly Gnu Piblic Virus have never been tested in court. J >> Until the first case, you don't know that they have any more power thanJ >> you do as an individual.  And as I said, there are people violating theL >> spirit of the GPL now and I don't see anyone suing them.  And I don't see/ >> them loosing any sleep over the possibility.  > K > FSF claims that they have always been capable of either making violators  5 > stop distributing the violating code or publish it.   E The letter or the spirit?  Who has been successfully sued by the FSF?    > O >> If you want your code to be public, make it public.  If you want to restrict O >> who can use it and how it can be used, then only make it available to people L >> under a license.  But don't release encumbered software and call it free.G >> Free software has been around a lot longer than the FSF and the GPL.  > C > It seems to me that what really pisses you for is that FSF calls   > software under GPL free.    D Well, I have this problem with people who lie.  Especially when theyG are using those lies to mis-lead the gullible.  That was P. T. Barnum's E game.  I thought we were a bit more professional in the IT world than  in the carnival business.   J >                           Well that is good marketing.  I think you are  > too angry.    G Not angry.  I just will personally never work on a GPLed program.  That E probably doesn't mean anything to anybody and I don't care about that G either. I will also continue to point out the lies and flaws in the GPL G concept.  That may cause others to decide to adopt the same philosophy. 
 Or maybe not.   J >             Yes there are things you cannot do with software under GPL, I > but you can do even less with closed source software, e.g., if you buy  D > the source of VMS then you cannot modify the code and publish the  > changed code.   J But we are not talking about closed source software.  We are talking aboutI code that "claims" to be free and in fact is not.  It is just as strongly I encumbered as the original AT&T code (remember, the original AT&T license F did not stop the CSRG from creating and developing BSD Unix but it didH have bad consequences later!)  If you want to claim the code you releaseH to the open source community is "free", then make sure it is truly free.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jan 2006 18:20:43 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)- Subject: Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now! , Message-ID: <43a3jrF1mk4nvU1@individual.net>  3 In article <SAE9os3YILQe@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:^ > In article <43CEBA47.22A3FD60@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >> Bill Gunshannon wrote:  >>  A >> VMS hasn't done any development on many parts of VMS in years.   A ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   E I did not say this.  I did not say anything included in this message.  Please watch your attributions.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jan 2006 18:39:29 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)- Subject: Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now! , Message-ID: <43a4n1F1mk4nvU2@individual.net>  + In article <43CF040C.7DD3546C@comcast.net>, 5 	David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  > Paul Sture wrote:  >>   >> Bill Gunshannon wrote: 1 >> > In article <4378onF1lapj6U1@individual.net>, 5 >> >       Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> writes:  >> > >> >>Bill Gunshannon wrote:  >> >> 1 >> >>>In article <43CD6C37.F9BA4B27@comcast.net>, ? >> >>>     David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  >> >> M >> >>>>Linux took off because folks were already running '386es (at the time, N >> >>>>and later machines), were already subscribed to a BBS or ISP and didn't? >> >>>>have to pay to extra acquire the software in most cases.  >> >>> >> >>>A >> >>>The same is true of FreeBSD, why is Linux a bigger success?  >> >>> >> >> I >> >>In my case, FreeBSD didn't have the online press coverage that Linux H >> >>did, but the clincher was that I could pick up a packaged copy withL >> >>documentation from a local shop. I only had dial up access at the time. >> > >> >I >> > But that is part of marketing.  Putting the product in the consumers J >> > hand.  You can't buy VMS or FreeBSD at a local store, but you can buy >> > Linux or Windows. >> > >>   >> Exactly.  > C > I've purchased FreeBSD at everything from a bookstore to CompUSA.   ? Did you buy FreeBSD or did you buy a book that just happened to + provide a copy on CD inside the back cover?   G I found something called HawkinsOS which claims to be a "FreeBSD-based" E commercial distribution But I could not find a single commercial True  FreeBSD distro.   E FreeBSD disks have been offered for sale by numerous persons but they B are not true commercial distros of FreeBSD akin to Redhat or SUSE.E They are just people making money for burning CD's.  I believe Walnut  Creek was the first.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2006 06:05:35 -0800; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: KVM Switches C Message-ID: <1137679535.260566.194190@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    vmsmangler@earthlink.net wrote: G > Let me clear up a few things here. First of all each of my DPW's have  > identical keyboards and mice. A > Keyboards are LK46W's. That is the keyboard with white keys and # > includes 2 Alt keys and 2 Compose H > keys. Both machines have been working for years with the keyboards and > mice plugged directly intoG > their respective connectors on the back of the mini-towers. So, there # > is no problem with the keyboards.   E I use a LK461-A2.  Pretty much the same thing, just no extra markings # on the keycaps for word processing.    > H > The 433au I bought new in May 1998, shortly after they were announced.B > This was to replace the VAX 3600 I had at home at the time. This( > machine also has the nickname "Miata". > F > The 500au was "given" to me when I retired in July 2004. It does not > have the nickname "Miata" H > althought it could be called a partial Miata GL since it has the holes  > for the USB connectors but w/o > the connectors themselves. >   D It's not though.  Sounds like it may have started life as a Miata GLD but somewhere along the line maybe the mainboard got replaced by theG MX5 board.  Or else it was assembled during the switchover time and the D MX5 guts got put in a GL case.  Anyway, it means for all intents andC purposes you have a MX5 PWS500au since the case doesn't mean diddly  about how the innards work.   E > However, they both have the Intel SIO chip and onboard SCSI and the  > boot drives are SCSI. Also, 6 > both are at the highest SRM available for the DPW's. > H > By the way, there was a side effect using the switch on the 500au. The > mouse was extremely I > sensitive. A little twitch would send the cursor all the way across the   > screen. Without the switch the  > mouse was much less sensitive. >   C I was using Avocent Outlook ES (and a Dell and a Compaq relabelling G thereof) KVMs.  I had 2 AS1200's, 2 AS800's and the PWS500 (MX5) on the F KVM along with a couple of Intel Linux and Windows systems.  All usingD the LK461 keyboard.  I had no problems with any of the Intel systemsG with this configuration and the AS1200 and AS800 worked except that the D KVM filtered out a couple of the "extra" (i.e. non Windows standard)C keycodes.  The PWS, however, was troublesome in that it worked just C fine in console (SRM) mode, but once VMS booted and DECwindows took G over the keyboard went dead.  Even the hotkey to switch between systems C did not work.  The only way to recover was to halt and force a cold G restart of the PWS.  Once it had reset the keyboard in the SRM then the F keyboard came to life.  I even loaded the Compaq firmware into the KVMD which, according to the release notes, added compatibility for AlphaD OpenVMS servers to the KVM software.  This was a huge mistake as notG only did I see no improvement but things got much worse as then the KVM G started losing characters while typing (connected with any systems) and @ I started getting large numbers of extraneous characters (mostlyE control characters of some kind).  It got so bad that I had to remove @ the KVM's (I had two 8-ports cascaded)  I tried to downgrade the# firmware but it's a one-way street.   E I recently purchased a Raritan MX416 Masterconsole KVM to replace the B Avocents.  So far I just have the non-Alpha systems hooked in.  ItF seems to work reasonably well although I stll seem to lose a characterC occasionally.  Not nearly as often as before so it could just be my F typing skills.  This weekend I hope to get the Alphas set up again andE attached and find out how well they work.  The Raritan site says they C are compatible with Alpha systems though they talk more about Alpha D Unix (I assume Tru64) than about OpenVMS.  I have since replaced theF PWS with an XP1000 (which also worked as well as the other Alphas withE the Avocent KVM) but the PWS is still here so I will probably test it 0 out to see if it works an better with the MX416.   > Bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:52:14 +0300 N From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <zzLaishev@zzDeltaTelecom.RU-remove.all-zz-to-reply>> Subject: Mail Quota Limit for MX SMTP Server (www.madgoat.com)3 Message-ID: <BC2AF9FC795ED9F8A00C1FC8D0E5183F@nntp>    Hello , All!  O 	I wrote an authentication-authorization module (using MX SMTP Server callouts) 2 to implements Mail Quota Limit for our subsribers.  G 	Who interesting, can get or/and adopt or/and using this module w/o any $ obligation. Home URL of the project:- 	http://starlet.deltatel.ru/~laishev/work/mx/   J 	Some comments (please black off my English) you can see in the .C source.   	Thanks.   --  F + WBR, OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker ............. Skype: SysMan-One  +9 Delta Telecom JSC, IMT-MC-450(CDMA2000) cellular operator E Russia,191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3 Cel: +7 (812) 716-3222 F +http://starlet.deltatelecom.ru ............. Frying on OpenVMS only +   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2006 12:46:14 -05007 From: "Gareth V. Williams" <graff@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu>  Subject: SFTP access violation? . Message-ID: <43cfd066@cfanews.cfa.harvard.edu>  B Has anyone experienced access violations with SFTP (VMS 8.2, TCPIP@ 5.5-ECO 1)?  I have a command file that copies files to a remoteE webserver (using user key authentication).  It copies four files: the B put command that is supposed to copy the fourth file crashes every time it is run:    sftp> put PHAs.DAT<CR>; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual   address=00000000008  2   Improperly handled condition, image exit forced.1     Signal arguments:   Number = 0000000000000005 1                         Name   = 000000000000000C 1                                  0000000000000000 1                                  0000000000858000 1                                  FFFFFFFF809011AC 1                                  000000000000001B          Register dump:J     R0  = 0000000000000007  R1  = 0000000000000031  R2  = 000000000001A110J     R3  = 000000007ADC4B58  R4  = 000000007ADC4B18  R5  = 000000000001A188J     R6  = 000000007ADC4FA8  R7  = 00000000000000C6  R8  = 0000000000855EE9J     R9  = 0000000000000020  R10 = 0000000000000000  R11 = 0000000000000001J     R12 = 0000000000000001  R13 = 000000000000001F  R14 = 0000000000857FF0J     R15 = 000000000000001F  R16 = 0000000000857FF0  R17 = 0000000000000007J     R18 = 0000000000000000  R19 = 0000000000000000  R20 = 0000000000000001J     R21 = 000000000000002B  R22 = 00000000000F0B60  R23 = 00000000002D0019J     R24 = 0000000000000101  R25 = 0000000000000003  R26 = FFFFFFFF80B327A4J     R27 = 0000000000000000  R28 = 00000000000000E1  R29 = 000000007ADC48F0J     SP  = 000000007ADC48F0  PC  = FFFFFFFF809011AC  PS  = 300000000000001B  J   Has anyone experienced similar problems?  We have many dozens of commandD files using sftp to copy files to the webserver and this is the only problem.  
     Gareth   --  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------H Gareth V. Williams, MS 18, 60 Garden Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, U.S.A.+ Associate Director, IAU Minor Planet Center H gwilliams@cfa.harvard.edu        http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/mpc.html7 OpenVMS & RISC OS: refined choices in operating systems    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2006 03:51:01 -0800 From: junezheng@eastlink.ca J Subject: Re: sws2.1 with mod_perl, exit() after $query->redirect() problemB Message-ID: <1137671461.632693.64480@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Tim,  C Thanks for the suggestion. Using "return" in place of "exit" is not B really a good solution for me, as my redir condition is embeded inE several level down function calls. To use return means I need to pass E back some kind of flag showing I need to skip the rest of the program D and this flag has to be check at all levels after calling functions.  E June Young, Software Development                   bus: (902)422-1973  x144B Dymaxion Research Ltd., 5515 Cogswell St.,      fax: (902)421-12676 Halifax, Nova Scotia, B3J 1R2 Canada           mailto: JYo...@dymaxion.ca   http://www.dymaxion.ca   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:49:50 +1100 $ From: Phaeton <phaeton@iinet.net.au>! Subject: [OT] For Mac fans... :-) J Message-ID: <43cf52aa$0$23573$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>   	For a bit of a laugh : I 	http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5566658286032643965&q=mac+apple    	( No OS wars, please :-)   ) A                                                   Cheers,   Csaba   E --------------------------------------------------------------------- F   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  phaeton at iinet dot net dot auE --------------------------------------------------------------------- <     EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:  2   Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 04:20:07 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: [OT] For Mac fans... :-) , Message-ID: <43CF5997.CD01F32B@teksavvy.com>   Phaeton wrote: >   >         For a bit of a laugh :R >         http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5566658286032643965&q=mac+apple  ; So now Google wants it own proprietary video format ???????    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 04:32:30 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: [OT] For Mac fans... :-) , Message-ID: <43CF5C7E.A943C6C8@teksavvy.com>   Phaeton wrote: >   >         For a bit of a laugh :R >         http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5566658286032643965&q=mac+apple   From Google FAQ page:  ##/ Can I use a Mac to watch videos I've purchased?   H No. If you have a Mac, you can't watch purchased, copy-protected videos. ##  < So I guess watching it on VAX-VMS is out of the question ;-(      A So, they use some proprietary standard that isn't playable on the G platform the video talks about. And worse, when you ask to download the E videoplayer, it simply downloads some .EXE and expects you to execute ' it. Talk about danger for viri/trojans.    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:01:08 +0000 (UTC) < From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)% Subject: Re: [OT] For Mac fans... :-) ) Message-ID: <dqnv24$c3r$2@news.BelWue.DE>   \ In article <43CF5C7E.A943C6C8@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >Phaeton wrote:  >>  ! >>         For a bit of a laugh : S >>         http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5566658286032643965&q=mac+apple  >  >From Google FAQ page: >## 0 >Can I use a Mac to watch videos I've purchased? > I >No. If you have a Mac, you can't watch purchased, copy-protected videos.  >##  > = >So I guess watching it on VAX-VMS is out of the question ;-(    No way for me either:   * "Thanks for your interest in Google Video.  G Currently, the playback feature of Google Video isn't available in your  country.  O We hope to make this feature available more widely in the future, and we really  appreciate your patience."   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:10:52 +1100 $ From: Phaeton <phaeton@iinet.net.au>% Subject: Re: [OT] For Mac fans... :-) J Message-ID: <43cf81c8$0$23577$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Phaeton wrote: >   >>        For a bit of a laugh :R >>        http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5566658286032643965&q=mac+apple >  >  > From Google FAQ page:  > ##1 > Can I use a Mac to watch videos I've purchased?  > J > No. If you have a Mac, you can't watch purchased, copy-protected videos. > ##  C 	Well, Google is the next Microsoft, unfortunately, IMHO. I watched D 	the video on a Windows box, with a Mozilla-based browser. Plays OK.  > > So I guess watching it on VAX-VMS is out of the question ;-(  D 	I am afraid, yes. Which is a pity, as VMS is still the best. But as4 	the old Eastern saying goes : "Everything changes."  C > So, they use some proprietary standard that isn't playable on the I > platform the video talks about. And worse, when you ask to download the G > videoplayer, it simply downloads some .EXE and expects you to execute ) > it. Talk about danger for viri/trojans.   @ 	I didn't download anything, I don't think it is a prerequisite.B 	I am wary of Google too, especially its proprietary stuff. As for4 	Trojans and viruses ( not viri or virii, see here :A 	http://dictionary.reference.com/help/faq/language/v/virus.html ) ) 	they are a fact of life, er, Internet... : 	You need protection, firewall and an up to date antivirus 	program, minimum.B                                                    Cheers,   Csaba  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- F   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  phaeton at iinet dot net dot auE --------------------------------------------------------------------- <     EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:  2   Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:03:50 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>% Subject: Re: [OT] For Mac fans... :-) = Message-ID: <W6Mzf.34383$lL4.14644@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    JF Mezei wrote:    > Phaeton wrote: >   >>        For a bit of a laugh :R >>        http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5566658286032643965&q=mac+apple >  > = > So now Google wants it own proprietary video format ???????   D It's Macromedia Flash Video. Liked the guy claiming that Windows is I better than Mac because you can go into DOS and undelete files. Not sure   what century he's living in :-)    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2006 07:12:04 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) % Subject: Re: [OT] For Mac fans... :-) 3 Message-ID: <CypkL+d5tsbU@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <43cf52aa$0$23573$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, Phaeton <phaeton@iinet.net.au> writes:  >  > 	For a bit of a laugh : K > 	http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5566658286032643965&q=mac+apple   B To save everyone the bother of going to the URL, this is video oneD cannot play on VMS and even on other operating systems would require2 installing special Google software on the machine.   > 	( No OS wars, please :-)   )   8 So why do you propose VMS-hostile URLs as a humor item ?   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2006 07:14:02 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) % Subject: Re: [OT] For Mac fans... :-) 3 Message-ID: <+8kuxNze7zA7@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <43cf81c8$0$23577$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, Phaeton <phaeton@iinet.net.au> writes:   B > 	I didn't download anything, I don't think it is a prerequisite.D > 	I am wary of Google too, especially its proprietary stuff. As for6 > 	Trojans and viruses ( not viri or virii, see here :C > 	http://dictionary.reference.com/help/faq/language/v/virus.html ) + > 	they are a fact of life, er, Internet... < > 	You need protection, firewall and an up to date antivirus > 	program, minimum.  8 Virus scanners only are effective against _old_ viruses.@ The first people who are tricked by a given piece of malware are always without protection.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:21:09 +1100 $ From: Phaeton <phaeton@iinet.net.au>% Subject: Re: [OT] For Mac fans... :-) J Message-ID: <43cfa050$0$23546$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:s > In article <43cf52aa$0$23573$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, Phaeton <phaeton@iinet.net.au> writes:  >  >>	For a bit of a laugh : K >>	http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5566658286032643965&q=mac+apple  >  > D > To save everyone the bother of going to the URL, this is video oneF > cannot play on VMS and even on other operating systems would require4 > installing special Google software on the machine. >  >  >>	( No OS wars, please :-)   )  >  > : > So why do you propose VMS-hostile URLs as a humor item ?  C 	As I indicated in the subject, it is off topic, and not related to B 	VMS, as far as I can tell. But I am sure there are VMS people outD 	there using either Windows and/or Mac personal computers who would/D 	might appreciate a bit of humor related to these operating systems.  C 	VMS-hostile ? I might have to watch it again to see the hostility, C 	I thought it was about Windows and Mac-s. And no, I didn't have to A 	install any "special Google software" ( although I am aware that B 	there is such a beast out there ), I simply cut and pasted an URL> 	into my Mozilla-based, slim and slick, browser and played it.  > 	( I might have Macromedia Flash installed as an extension, asC 	another poster noted. I know, yes, that it is a security risk, but A 	we have to live with some danger, unfortunately. Believe me, I'd @ 	like to watch everything on VMS, that's for sure. But as things< 	are, it will not happen right now, or in the near future. )  < 	I also thought that my post will constitute a light-heartedC 	diversion to the constant HP-bashing in this newsgroup. So, Larry, A 	please bear with me, I rarely post nowadays ( even though I read & 	this newsgroup every day... ) Sigh...B                                                     Cheers,  Csaba  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- F   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  phaeton at iinet dot net dot auE --------------------------------------------------------------------- <     EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:  3   All things being equal, fat people use more soap.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:29:23 +1100 $ From: Phaeton <phaeton@iinet.net.au>% Subject: Re: [OT] For Mac fans... :-) J Message-ID: <43cfa23e$0$23577$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:s > In article <43cf81c8$0$23577$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, Phaeton <phaeton@iinet.net.au> writes:  >  > B >>	I didn't download anything, I don't think it is a prerequisite.D >>	I am wary of Google too, especially its proprietary stuff. As for6 >>	Trojans and viruses ( not viri or virii, see here :C >>	http://dictionary.reference.com/help/faq/language/v/virus.html ) + >>	they are a fact of life, er, Internet... < >>	You need protection, firewall and an up to date antivirus >>	program, minimum. >  > : > Virus scanners only are effective against _old_ viruses.B > The first people who are tricked by a given piece of malware are > always without protection.  C 	Very true, Larry. I know you are a very security conscious person. = 	But life itself is full of dangers, we can not live in total @ 	isolation, a certain interaction is required. As long as we are@ 	aware of the dangers, we have a chance to protect ourselves, orB 	minimise/eliminate some or most of them. A virus scanner, updated@ 	daily, is still much better than no virus scanner at all, IMHO.  B                                                    Cheers,   Csaba  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- F   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  phaeton at iinet dot net dot auE --------------------------------------------------------------------- <     EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:  3   All things being equal, fat people use more soap.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:45:46 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>% Subject: Re: [OT] For Mac fans... :-) , Message-ID: <43a1ibF1jsk6vU1@individual.net>   Christoph Gartmann wrote:    >  > No way for me either:  > , > "Thanks for your interest in Google Video. > I > Currently, the playback feature of Google Video isn't available in your 
 > country. > Q > We hope to make this feature available more widely in the future, and we really  > appreciate your patience." >   B No problem viewing from here using Safari on OS X 10.3.9, but the H quality wasn't good. I've seen it before, when Apple were running their + "Switcher" campaign (2 or more years ago?).    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.038 ************************