0 INFO-VAX	Sat, 21 Jan 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 41      Contents:= Re: Controlling "Smart array 5300A" RAID controller from VMS? ( Re: Email Tadpole for itanium notebooks!( Re: Email Tadpole for itanium notebooks! Re: ETHERMON for Alpha?  Fiber channel on XP1000  Re: Fiber channel on XP1000  Re: Fiber channel on XP1000 D How about VMS:  "Windows XP Gets Independent Security Certification"H Re: How about VMS:  "Windows XP Gets Independent Security Certification"G Re: How about VMS: "Windows XP Gets Independent Security Certification" 7 Re: Intel drops 8086 instruction support from Montecito $ Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now! Re: LK463 (and Windows XP) Re: LK463 (and Windows XP) Re: LK463 (and Windows XP) Re: LK463 (and Windows XP) Re: LK463 (and Windows XP)( Re: running OpenVMS/Alpha on a simulator( Re: running OpenVMS/Alpha on a simulator( Re: running OpenVMS/Alpha on a simulator( Re: running OpenVMS/Alpha on a simulator; Re: Solaris now available for HP Opteron blades but not VMS ; Re: Solaris now available for HP Opteron blades but not VMS   Re: UNIX shm* functions for VMS?  Re: UNIX shm* functions for VMS?0 Re: What ECOs for Alpha VMS7-2 since a year ago?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:45:29 -0500 , From: Carl Friedberg <frida.fried@gmail.com>F Subject: Re: Controlling "Smart array 5300A" RAID controller from VMS?I Message-ID: <890539d90601201145v15c33abby5351ff92d3126673@mail.gmail.com>   ; There's nothing simple about the SmartArray 5300A software.   A It's a windows-oriented product, you will need to really dig into < this to get the ACUXE application running. Requires a lot of= careful installing firmware/software/etc of exactly the right 6 version number; and you must have SNMP running on your9 TCPIP stack. With a lot of luck, you will be able to type 4 (in an INTERNET EXPLORER only, running on windoze of course):    https://vmsnode.example.com:2381  : log in, click on the ACUXE button, and do wonderful things, like erase every bit of data on your arrays.  : I can only wish you a lot of luck. Feel free to contact me: offline if you want sympathy. I know of only one other VMS8 site that uses this. BTW, the controller works extremely< well, and once configured, it just runs. Perhaps you will be4 able to pay someone from HP to come to your site and install it.   9 I had good luck with a support person at Colorado 3 years ; ago when I had to get it going, maybe you will have similar 7 good luck if you have a support contract, or if this is  hardware still under warranty.   Carl Friedberg frida.fried@gmail.com   6 On 18 Jan 2006 17:56:49 GMT, Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279) <yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il> wrote: > Hello, > L >   I got today a new DS-25 with a "Smart Array 5300A" RAID controller. I w= ouldL > like to have a simple method to know its status (like the old SEXCRMGR fo= r the L > KZPAx controllers). As far as I can see I have to install WEB server, SNM= P D > server, etc. Is there a simple way like the old SWXCEMGR software? > > >                                            Thanks! __Yehavi: >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:34:27 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 1 Subject: Re: Email Tadpole for itanium notebooks! 0 Message-ID: <11t2pajtgu8q065@corp.supernews.com>   Paul Sture wrote:  > Bob Koehler wrote: > G >> In article <1137695064.053391.217260@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,   >> bob@instantwhip.com writes: >>C >>> this is up to intel to make happen, not wait for some vendor to F >>> give it a try ... if you want itanium to succeed, you need to make >>> this happen! >>>  >> >>5 >>    Maybe they can convince Jobs to put OS X on it.  >>J > Speculation is flying fast and I don't trust much of it, but I caught a J > comment a couple of days ago that Apple want to be totally Intel by the  > end of this year.  > K > That gives a choice of 2 architectures. Someone commented here that Jobs  K > needs a sweetener to go Itanium - well he must have some clout given the  = > coup Intel has just achieved with switching Apple to Intel.  >  > Pure speculation of course...   F No, he had clout when they wanted himn to switch.  Now that he's just I another of their slaves, he'll get whatever they want him to have.  Then  . again, he still has the AMD card to play.  :-)   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jan 2006 18:58:24 -0800( From: "David Kanter" <dkanter@gmail.com>1 Subject: Re: Email Tadpole for itanium notebooks! C Message-ID: <1137812304.917885.176370@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   I > Hmm, IBM's benchmark figures show their own 32-way SMP X86-64 beating a J > 32-way HP Itanium Superdome. And there's no magic reason you can't scaleG > beyond that. The IBM system also has all of the big iron features you 
 > might want.   F HP superdomes scale upto 128 sockets, I doubt IBM (or anyone with x86)D can best those scores.  Also, xSeries systems max out at 32 sockets.E Lastly, Madison 9M is exceedingly long in the tooth (or perhaps, long G in the dentures); it will be replaced by Montecito relatively soon, and 2 HP will have newer higher performance super domes.  E Part of understanding benchmarks is realizing how much depends on the G product lifecycle.  x86 systems use dual cores right now, IPF does not. G  Soon that will change, and things will be different.  In the long run, 9 I suspect IPF systems will scale further than x86 ones...   E Also, note that there are almost no SAP 2D submissions for IPF...none  from Fujitsu's new system.   DK   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:01:04 GMT " From: reed@forge.{fe}.net (Brian )  Subject: Re: ETHERMON for Alpha?+ Message-ID: <2o48a3-ee.ln1@server.iron.net>   ` In article <43D04454.726AE571@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:3 >From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>  >Subject: ETHERMON for Alpha? & >Reply-To: djesysno@spam.earthlink.net >Organization: DJE Systems > H >Has anyone Ported ETHERMON to Alpha? Have a working binary I could beg?  L I have a copy, with the alpha version as well.  It appears to have come fromQ the freeware cd, although it's had to have been quite a few years since I got it.   K I can get you a copy if you need it.  I was going to put it on the web, but " my old spot is gone at the moment.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:18:45 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>   Subject: Fiber channel on XP1000( Message-ID: <ops3pchjiyzgicya@hyrrokkin>   Is it possible?    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jan 2006 16:39:38 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) $ Subject: Re: Fiber channel on XP1000, Message-ID: <PJXtYRXTyzUw@malvm9.mala.bc.ca>  N In article <ops3pchjiyzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:   > Is it possible?      yes.  ,   Now what do you really want to do with it?  C   I suspect the XP1000 doesn't have boot support for fibre channel, @ but if you boot from some other source VMS should be able to see= the fibre channel disks ( at least that's what I found when I $ had the same question for a PWS500 )   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 21:03:37 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> $ Subject: Re: Fiber channel on XP1000( Message-ID: <ops3ppobsxzgicya@hyrrokkin>  L On 20 Jan 2006 16:39:38 -0700, Malcolm Dunnett <nothome@spammers.are.scum>   wrote:  J > In article <ops3pchjiyzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  	 > writes:  >  >> Is it possible? >  >   yes. > . >   Now what do you really want to do with it? > E >   I suspect the XP1000 doesn't have boot support for fibre channel, B > but if you boot from some other source VMS should be able to see? > the fibre channel disks ( at least that's what I found when I & > had the same question for a PWS500 ) >   > Well, I bought (on a lark) an HSG80  www.kednos.com/hsg80.html> and I wanted to ultimately replace the BA356 that is currentlyC attached to three xp1000's on shared scsi.  None of these boot from 7 the shared devices, they all have their own system disk    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:02:56 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>M Subject: How about VMS:  "Windows XP Gets Independent Security Certification" . Message-ID: <43D16C20.6892.26C1C9C3@localhost>  D Gosh, if Windows XP gets the highest level of CC certification, VMS  should be able to!  5   http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1901965,00.asp    HP, you listening??   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------8 Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  Toll free: 1-888-I-LUV-VAX3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jan 2006 22:49:10 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Q Subject: Re: How about VMS:  "Windows XP Gets Independent Security Certification" 3 Message-ID: <ijqjZEyApUtI@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <43D16C20.6892.26C1C9C3@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> writes: F > Gosh, if Windows XP gets the highest level of CC certification, VMS   E Actually it says "the highest level granted to a commercial product", @ which is quite different that either "the highest level" or "the= highest level that could be granted to a commercial product".   8 What are the current B1-equivalent commercial products ?   > should be able to! > 7 >   http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1901965,00.asp  >  > HP, you listening??   E Of course they are.  Every time I hear Leo Demer gives a talk he asks F the crowd "to whom of you is Common Criteria certification important".? Every time I have been there the response has been a resounding  silence.  5 HP has been listening.  Customers are not interested.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jan 2006 21:18:19 -0800 From: davidc@montagar.com P Subject: Re: How about VMS: "Windows XP Gets Independent Security Certification"C Message-ID: <1137820699.070969.242910@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   E If Windows can pass that certification - yet require at least monthly 0 security updates - does it really mean anything?  0 OpenVMS survived DEFCON9.  That means something.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:24:34 -0700 " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>@ Subject: Re: Intel drops 8086 instruction support from Montecito0 Message-ID: <UP2dnSXTu9e6SUzeRVn-jg@bresnan.com>   Alan Greig wrote:    >  >  > GreyCloud wrote: >  >> >>7 >> Whatever makes you think a quad G5 tower is low end?  >  > B > Ok agreed it's mid-end but the best I can figure from published J > benchmarks a Quad 2.5Ghz Mac G5 would lose out to a quad 2.4Ghz Opteron J > (both two * dual core) although maybe not yet to any currently shipping K > available Intel X64 4-way SMP config. However Apple presumably know what   > Intel have coming next.   A That's what has me curious.  Which sort of led me to the Itanium  D possibilities.  From what everyone says about the Itanium, and what G Apple so far chose from Intel--> a duo core (32-bit?), the performance  C may be adequate for what Apple needs for the time being.  Still, I  # wished that they had just went AMD.    > A >> Sooner or later, Apple will need to keep looking up, not down. C >> I'm not sure how the Itanium processor stacks up against the G5.  >  > I > Even HP sell 8-way SMP Opteron systems that blow away a quad G5. Intel  F > are heading there. I am sure Apple have looked up but what they see  > isn't Itanium. >   G I hope not.  I'm just seeing a possibility that the average person out  C there won't know anything about the Itanium and get suckered in by  < marketing hype.  Especially if Intel gives them such a deal.D Of course the same 970MP chip used in IBMs mainframes and of course E their G6 do perform when used in great numbers and utilized with the  / proper hardware design.  translates to big $$$.    --   Where are we going?   And why am I in this handbasket?   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jan 2006 19:12:39 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)- Subject: Re: Itanium lap tops are needed now! , Message-ID: <43cr17F1lkatoU2@individual.net>  B In article <1137774244.539311.28600@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, 	davidc@montagar.com writes:! >>    X windows is client-server.  >>I >>Once again the utterly vague term 'client-server' shows how useless the 
 >>term is. >>H >>David wants to run the actual application on the client.  x-windows is >>basically a smart terminal.  > I > Exactly - and many people do not really understand who's the cilent and $ > who's the server with X-Windows!    E Why does it matter?  The roles are the same, Only the names have been   changed to protect the innocent.  I >                                   X-windows is a really thin-client.  A D > glorified terminal emulator with graphics.  The web-based apps areI > "client/server', too, but with Javascript/Java/Flash, the client can be  > more substantial.   C With a whole bunch more overhead and a requirement to loosen up the D security on the desktop.  Or have you forgotten that many people whoD hang out herre have a real problem with running things like Java and Javascript in their browser?   > E > Given the amount of memory and computes the average desktop has, it A > makes sense to keep as much burden on the desktop as reasonable E > ("reasonable" is of course subjective and dependent upon the actual G > task at hand).  This frees your server for managing the core business E > logic and database management.  The benefit is maximizing your full 6 > hardware/software investment from desktop to server.  F Which, has nothing to do with the original premise of this discussion,C which was how do you get applications running on VMS (and therefore C taking advantage of VMS's strengths, like security) on the desktop. E Based on what you say above, Microsoft is the answer.  But then, that ( doesn't make a lot of people here happy.   > A > A good desktop app, ilnked with a stable OpenVMS server running I > middleware/database is a very nice solution.  Why does that app need to G > be running on OpenVMS, ported/use X-windows, consuming the memory and A > CPU on the server, when you have excess usable capacity on your 
 > desktop?  B It doesn't, but that's what we were discussing in the first place.   >  > I see this Catch-22 here:  > $ > 1) We want OpenVMS on the desktop.C > 2) OpenVMS Desktop apps are needed to get OpenVMS on the desktop. F > 3) Port the Desktop apps to X-windows, so we can put them on OpenVMS  , They already use X-windows.  Skip this step.  
 > servers.D > 4) Once the desktop apps are on OpenVMS server, we can put them on > desktop OpenVMS.  E Not necessarily as there is not now nor is there likely to be desktop ; VMS again.  Unless oyu want to buy some of my VS3100's. :-)   7 > 5) OpenVMS does not have an advantage on the desktop.   @ VMS does not have a presence on the desktop, therefore it is not? possible to determine if it would offer an advantage or not.  I A (and I am sure others here) can think of a number of advantage to  VMS on the desktop.   . > 6) Then why port the desktop app to OpenVMS?  E So that you can take advantage of VMS's strengths form data center to  desktop.   > 7) Goto #1  D Or get on with doing what makes money for your business. Only #1 andA #2 stand up to scrutiny so there is no reson to accept #7 either.    bill     --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 21:27:31 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch># Subject: Re: LK463 (and Windows XP) , Message-ID: <43cvdkF1n5j8cU1@individual.net>   Ken Fairfield wrote:  A >     On a personal note, since I'm in US-EN mode and very rarely B > have need for the Compose function/key, and since one can always@ > get to Help from the EVE command line, I could *almost* manage@ > with the above noted limitations.  However, lack of the Do key) > is pretty much a show-stopper!  Sigh...  >   F FWIW in similar situations I have mapped CTRL/D to Do. (I don't think - that CTRL/D is used by anything else in VMS.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:27:47 -0500 , From: Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@hp.com># Subject: Re: LK463 (and Windows XP) & Message-ID: <43D147C3.44C26B70@hp.com>  = 	Actually, CTRL-D is used by TTDRIVER it is the alternate to   left arrow.      Forrest    Paul Sture wrote:  >  > Ken Fairfield wrote: > C > >     On a personal note, since I'm in US-EN mode and very rarely D > > have need for the Compose function/key, and since one can alwaysB > > get to Help from the EVE command line, I could *almost* manageB > > with the above noted limitations.  However, lack of the Do key+ > > is pretty much a show-stopper!  Sigh...  > >  > G > FWIW in similar situations I have mapped CTRL/D to Do. (I don't think / > that CTRL/D is used by anything else in VMS.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:14:01 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com># Subject: Re: LK463 (and Windows XP) + Message-ID: <dqrjqp$9ff$1@news01.intel.com>    Paul Sture wrote:  > Ken Fairfield wrote: > B >>     On a personal note, since I'm in US-EN mode and very rarelyC >> have need for the Compose function/key, and since one can always A >> get to Help from the EVE command line, I could *almost* manage A >> with the above noted limitations.  However, lack of the Do key * >> is pretty much a show-stopper!  Sigh... >> > H > FWIW in similar situations I have mapped CTRL/D to Do. (I don't think / > that CTRL/D is used by anything else in VMS.)   C Actually it is, although I *never* use it.  From HELP Line_Editing,        Edit Key        Function     --------        --------I     Ctrl/A or       Switches between overstrike mode and insert mode. The H     F14             default mode is reset at the beginning of each line.  F     Ctrl/D or       Moves the cursor one character to the left.    <--     Left Arrow  <     Ctrl/E          Moves the cursor to the end of the line.  @     Ctrl/F or       Moves the cursor one character to the right.     Right Arrow   B     Ctrl/H or       Moves the cursor to the beginning of the line.     Backspace or     F12   ?     Ctrl/J or       Deletes the word to the left of the cursor.      Linefeed or      F13   H     Ctrl/U          Deletes characters from the beginning of the line to                     the cursor.   C I have always used Ctrl/B in EVE when using a "foreign" keyboard or D installation.  It gets you the command line, which you can edit, butE it's far from convenient in normal, everyday use.  Your idea of using ) Ctrl/D as a fall back isn't half bad. :-)         Regards, Ken  --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:04:10 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch># Subject: Re: LK463 (and Windows XP) , Message-ID: <43d52rF1n62okU1@individual.net>   Forrest Kenney wrote:  >  > Paul Sture wrote:  >  >>Ken Fairfield wrote: >> >>B >>>    On a personal note, since I'm in US-EN mode and very rarelyC >>>have need for the Compose function/key, and since one can always A >>>get to Help from the EVE command line, I could *almost* manage A >>>with the above noted limitations.  However, lack of the Do key * >>>is pretty much a show-stopper!  Sigh... >>>  >>G >>FWIW in similar situations I have mapped CTRL/D to Do. (I don't think / >>that CTRL/D is used by anything else in VMS.)   >  > Actually, CTRL-D is used by TTDRIVER it is the alternate to  > left arrow.  >  F Thanks for the reminder. I should have said I define it _within_ EVE; 
 not VMS-wide.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:27:12 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch># Subject: Re: LK463 (and Windows XP) , Message-ID: <43d6e1F1n9adsU1@individual.net>   Ken Fairfield wrote: > Paul Sture wrote:  >  >> Ken Fairfield wrote:  >>C >>>     On a personal note, since I'm in US-EN mode and very rarely D >>> have need for the Compose function/key, and since one can alwaysB >>> get to Help from the EVE command line, I could *almost* manageB >>> with the above noted limitations.  However, lack of the Do key+ >>> is pretty much a show-stopper!  Sigh...  >>>  >>I >> FWIW in similar situations I have mapped CTRL/D to Do. (I don't think  0 >> that CTRL/D is used by anything else in VMS.) >  > E > Actually it is, although I *never* use it.  From HELP Line_Editing,  >  >    Edit Key        Function  >    --------        -------- J >    Ctrl/A or       Switches between overstrike mode and insert mode. TheI >    F14             default mode is reset at the beginning of each line.  > G >    Ctrl/D or       Moves the cursor one character to the left.    <--  >    Left Arrow  > = >    Ctrl/E          Moves the cursor to the end of the line.  > A >    Ctrl/F or       Moves the cursor one character to the right.  >    Right Arrow > C >    Ctrl/H or       Moves the cursor to the beginning of the line.  >    Backspace or  >    F12 > @ >    Ctrl/J or       Deletes the word to the left of the cursor. >    Linefeed or >    F13 > I >    Ctrl/U          Deletes characters from the beginning of the line to   >                    the cursor. > E > I have always used Ctrl/B in EVE when using a "foreign" keyboard or F > installation.  It gets you the command line, which you can edit, butG > it's far from convenient in normal, everyday use.  Your idea of using + > Ctrl/D as a fall back isn't half bad. :-)  >   G Thanks :-) Going back to the time when I was using terminal servers, I  ? defined CTRL/F and CTRL/D as next session and previous session  F respectively, so got used to not using them for line editing (console F excepted). Looking at the keyboard they are the only pair of adjacent ? keys which don't conflict with other control characters I want.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jan 2006 18:49:22 -0800( From: "David Kanter" <dkanter@gmail.com>1 Subject: Re: running OpenVMS/Alpha on a simulator C Message-ID: <1137811762.650478.308100@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    mabbuttg@yahoo.ca wrote:I > I'm curious if anyone has gotten OpenVMS/Alpha to run on a simulator on D > x86, and if so, how.  I'm pursuing the Hobbyist Licence option forC > practice at home, but as our hardware at work is Alpha-based, I'd G > really like to be able to play with the same software bits and pieces I > on my own (I realize most of the operation is similar on a VAX, using a D > simulator such as simh, but again, I'd really like to play with asH > similar a system to our work environment as possible).  I really don'tI > have the money or space for actual Alpha hardware, so a simulator would  > be my best option. > 7 > I found some reference to the M5 Simulator project at G > http://m5.eecs.umich.edu/ , and it mentions they have booted Tru64 at F > one point, however in doing more reading it appears it only supportsB > simulated networking, and I'd like to be able to connect to real# > network hosts if at all possible.  > I > I also found an older project called SimOS at http://simos.stanford.edu B > , which mentions it can boot Digitial UNIX and supports externalD > network connectivity, but apparently the network connector bit wasG > designed to run on Solaris, and it looks like the project hasn't been G > updated since 1998/99.  I did find some references to the Linux/SimOS C > project, which among other things did a Linux port of the network > > connectivity piece, but I can't find a download link for it. >  > So, suggestions appreciated.  3 http://www.virtutech.com/products/product-faqs.html    >From their site:   ' Q: Does Simics run my operating system?   G Simics models hardware at the hardware/software boundary and so can run E any binary that the real hardware can. Usually some of the diagnostic F hardware is not useful enough to model completely, so the accompanyingE diagnostic code will never report hardware problems. Apart from this, * any operating system should run unchanged.      E You might have to pay for this, but you can probably just get an eval C copy and then hack your system date (in the OS or bios) and keep on  using it for a while longer : )    DK   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:23:13 -0500 - From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> 1 Subject: Re: running OpenVMS/Alpha on a simulator I Message-ID: <8660a3a10601201923i17d01584qd9e5f0a56f804e0a@mail.gmail.com>   F On 20 Jan 2006 18:49:22 -0800, David Kanter <dkanter@gmail.com> wrote: > mabbuttg@yahoo.ca wrote:K > > I'm curious if anyone has gotten OpenVMS/Alpha to run on a simulator on F > > x86, and if so, how.  I'm pursuing the Hobbyist Licence option forE > > practice at home, but as our hardware at work is Alpha-based, I'd I > > really like to be able to play with the same software bits and pieces K > > on my own (I realize most of the operation is similar on a VAX, using a F > > simulator such as simh, but again, I'd really like to play with asJ > > similar a system to our work environment as possible).  I really don'tK > > have the money or space for actual Alpha hardware, so a simulator would  > > be my best option. > > 9 > > I found some reference to the M5 Simulator project at I > > http://m5.eecs.umich.edu/ , and it mentions they have booted Tru64 at H > > one point, however in doing more reading it appears it only supportsD > > simulated networking, and I'd like to be able to connect to real% > > network hosts if at all possible.  > > K > > I also found an older project called SimOS at http://simos.stanford.edu D > > , which mentions it can boot Digitial UNIX and supports externalF > > network connectivity, but apparently the network connector bit wasI > > designed to run on Solaris, and it looks like the project hasn't been I > > updated since 1998/99.  I did find some references to the Linux/SimOS E > > project, which among other things did a Linux port of the network @ > > connectivity piece, but I can't find a download link for it. > >   > > So, suggestions appreciated. > 5 > http://www.virtutech.com/products/product-faqs.html  >  > >From their site:  > ) > Q: Does Simics run my operating system?  > I > Simics models hardware at the hardware/software boundary and so can run G > any binary that the real hardware can. Usually some of the diagnostic H > hardware is not useful enough to model completely, so the accompanyingG > diagnostic code will never report hardware problems. Apart from this, , > any operating system should run unchanged. >  >  > G > You might have to pay for this, but you can probably just get an eval E > copy and then hack your system date (in the OS or bios) and keep on ! > using it for a while longer : )  >  > DK >  > D I would suggest that you check eBay for "Personal Workstation" for a 433/500/600 au model.   D Because they don't say "AlphaStation" you can usually get them for a" lot less than  other Alpha systems  < Second best deal is getting something from Island Computers.   HTH.   WWWebb   WWWebb --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:44:19 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>1 Subject: Re: running OpenVMS/Alpha on a simulator / Message-ID: <43D167C3.22817.26B0BF3D@localhost>   B SRI (the CHARON-VAX people) are developing a CHARON-AXP product.   Should be available soon...   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------8 Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  Toll free: 1-888-I-LUV-VAX3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jan 2006 21:14:19 -0800 From: davidc@montagar.com 1 Subject: Re: running OpenVMS/Alpha on a simulator C Message-ID: <1137820459.725149.229040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   B Cool!  Somewhere, there should be a program called "Manequin" thatG provides an emulation of Alpha hardware - which I think may run on VAX. E  I think it was used during the initial OpenVMS porting efforts until 2 sufficent hardware was available to do real stuff.  G Now, if that could be made available, you could emulate an Alpha, on an B emulated VAX, using a Windows version of CHARON-VAX on LInux under WINE.  Ouch.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:32:01 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> D Subject: Re: Solaris now available for HP Opteron blades but not VMS0 Message-ID: <11t2smhnph0j920@corp.supernews.com>   Alan Greig wrote: + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29130  > " 5 > HP Opteron blades, Proliant supports Sun Solaris 10  >  > My how times change  > 2 > By INQUIRER staff: Friday 20 January 2006, 07:40H > ALL HP BLADES now support Sun Solaris 10 in 32/64 bit but that's only  > the beginning. > K > HP's Opteron DL145-G2 is now certified for Solaris 10 32/64 bit too, and  - > sources suggest there's a lot more to come.  > D > We'd say that OpenVMS for Opteron is a bridge too far for Hewlett J > Packard, but additional support for Sun Solaris 10 suggests a degree of I > cooperation that would have been totally unconceivable two years ago.   > "  >    Is it cooperation?  F Since Solaris became basically free, maybe it's another ploy by HP to G take away SUN customers.  They couldn't sell them SPARC, but they sure   can sell them Opteron.   What would it do for SUN?    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jan 2006 17:20:17 -0800* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>D Subject: Re: Solaris now available for HP Opteron blades but not VMSC Message-ID: <1137806417.327319.197880@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Dave Froble wrote: >  > Is it cooperation? > G > Since Solaris became basically free, maybe it's another ploy by HP to H > take away SUN customers.  They couldn't sell them SPARC, but they sure > can sell them Opteron. >  > What would it do for SUN?   E Sun's new model is to make money off the support contract. If you are A the sort of customer running data centres full of blades then you : probably want support even if you can install it for free. --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 21:02:30 -0500 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>) Subject: Re: UNIX shm* functions for VMS? * Message-ID: <43d19638@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  7 "Steven M. Schweda" <sms@antinode.org> wrote in message , news:06011815473613_20331674@antinode.org..., > From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> > J > > The SHM stuff in DECwindows was provided explicitly for the X11 shared$ > > memory extension (XShmPutImage). > F >    The DECwindows functions seem to have limited functionality.  TheF > shmget( key, size, flags) function seems to demand that key = 0, for
 > example. > I > > I seem to think that the CRTL did/was/is adding a real SHM extension.  > H >    The latest HTML "HP C Run-Time Library Reference Manual for OpenVMS- > Systems" seems still not to mention shm*().  >   G Well, as I said...  the stuff in DECwindows was a hack to allow the X11 L shared memory extension to work - not a generic UNIX shm package.  I'll poke< around to see about a real one and if/when it would be done.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 21:06:34 -0600 (CST) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)) Subject: Re: UNIX shm* functions for VMS? 2 Message-ID: <06012021063419_20331674@antinode.org>  * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>  I > Well, as I said...  the stuff in DECwindows was a hack to allow the X11 N > shared memory extension to work - not a generic UNIX shm package.  I'll poke> > around to see about a real one and if/when it would be done.  H    That'd be swell.  I haven't traced it all through, but I believe thatB the BOINC manager expects to share memory with each client, so theE limited shm*() functions might do the job for a single SETI@home job, G for example.  (Even I can write an ftok() function which always returns  zero.)  E    While you're poking, if you find that someone has compiled the new F C++ Standard Library with /FLOAT = IEEE_FLOAT, feel free to try to pryC that loose.  Currently, that's the truly crippling problem, and the F reason for the restriction is not obvious (to me).  With only /FLOAT =E G_FLOAT available on Alpha, and only /FLOAT = IEEE_FLOAT available on C IA64, it's not easy to see how one (even a more serious user) could ) write portable software using this stuff.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 04:15:25 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>9 Subject: Re: What ECOs for Alpha VMS7-2 since a year ago? , Message-ID: <43dnafF1mnu1fU1@individual.net>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:Y > In article <43ccpaF1n8cfvU1@individual.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> writes:  > J >>After a delay of more than a year, I have rescued my Alpha from storage ) >>and need to get up to date on the ECOs.  >  > 6 > 	ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/alpha/V7.3-2/S > ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/alpha/V7.3-2/ALPHA_V732_MASTER_ECO_LIST.txt  >  > J >>So far I have applied VMS732_UPDATE_V0500, and need to look at the list < >>to check what I may have missed, but what others to apply? >  > N > Not many, some of them only level 3 (I do install all of them on my testsys) >  > 	VMS732_UAF	V1.0 > 	VMS732_DDTM	V1.0  > 	VMS732_RTPAD	V1.0 > 	VMS732_MANAGE	V5.0  > 	VMS732_DCL	V4.0 > 	VMS732_ACRTL	V2.0 > 	VMS732_XFC	V2.0 > 	VMS732_LAT	V1.0 >  > D >>(And yes I got that wierd COPY/BLOCKSIZE error that Philip Helbig  >>reported last NOV) >  > G > Of course (You could have installed VMS732_COPY before VMS732_UPDATE)  >  > 
 >>TCP/IP V5.4  >  >  > 	ECO 5 >  > 
 >>Apache/CSWS  >  > 
 > 	CSWS		V2.1  >  >  >>Mozilla (??) >  > + > 	CSWB V1.7-11		No more MOZILLA, only CSWB  >  >  >>Perl/MySQL/GNV etc >  >  > 	Perl		V5.8-6  > 	CSWS_PERL	V2.1  > 	GNV		V1.6-2 >  > 	MySQL		V4.1.14  >  >  >>C/C++/other compilers  >  >  > 	V7.1  > 6 > What compiler ?	Do you know http://www1.aclabs.com ? >  >  >>Any other suggestions? >  >   > 	CSWS_JAVA	V3.0 (Tomcat 5.5.9) > 	CSWS_PHP	V1.3 > 	JAVA		V1.4-2P5  >  > 	ZLIB		V1.2.3  >   # Thanks very much for those details.    > E >>Of course, should someone wish to donate a copy of 8.2, it will be   >>gladly received :-)  >  > A And a kind soul has already provided me with 8.2. Many Thanks :-)    >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.041 ************************