0 INFO-VAX	Sun, 22 Jan 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 44      Contents: Re: Fiber channel on XP1000  Re: Fiber channel on XP1000 ) Re: forgetting my DCL: what am I missing? ) Re: forgetting my DCL: what am I missing? ) Re: forgetting my DCL: what am I missing? 3 Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint) 3 Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint) 3 Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint) 3 Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint) 3 Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint) 3 Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint) 3 Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint) 3 Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint) 3 Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint) 3 Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint) 3 Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint) 3 Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint) 3 Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint) 3 Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint) G Re: How about VMS: "Windows XP Gets Independent Security Certification" G Re: How about VMS: "Windows XP Gets Independent Security Certification" G Re: How about VMS: "Windows XP Gets Independent Security Certification"  Re: Open VMS programing in C; Re: Solaris now available for HP Opteron blades but not VMS   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2006 05:51:42 -0800; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> $ Subject: Re: Fiber channel on XP1000B Message-ID: <1137937902.632360.96350@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   David J Dachtera wrote:    > I > I take it, then, that the XP1000 and the other machines mentioned don't  > have wwidmgr?  > I > Just enter "wwidmgr" at the console prompt and see how it yells at you.  >   @ Neither of my XP1000's, the 500MHz EV6 nor the 667MHz EV67, haveD wwidmgr available at the SRM prompt.  They are both running the lastE version of SRM (5.9-1) which is available for the XP1000. So I assume E neither is bootable from a fibre storage device.  I have not put a FC E HBA in either (yet) to see if they can access SAN storage once VMS is , booted, but I suspect it will probably work.     John H. Reinhardt    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:02:16 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> $ Subject: Re: Fiber channel on XP1000( Message-ID: <ops3sb12q7zgicya@hyrrokkin>  9 On 22 Jan 2006 05:51:42 -0800, johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com   ! <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> wrote:   B > Neither of my XP1000's, the 500MHz EV6 nor the 667MHz EV67, haveF > wwidmgr available at the SRM prompt.  They are both running the lastG > version of SRM (5.9-1) which is available for the XP1000. So I assume G > neither is bootable from a fibre storage device.  I have not put a FC G > HBA in either (yet) to see if they can access SAN storage once VMS is . > booted, but I suspect it will probably work.  H Just curious why 5.9-1 was last firware for XP1000.  Seems like if you   could I do it for the DS10, then ...   Isn't the same cpu, 21264, chipset and PCI  bus?  : Others have, btw, confirmed that it will work once booted.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:16:36 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)2 Subject: Re: forgetting my DCL: what am I missing?$ Message-ID: <dqvf14$lfv$1@online.de>  C In article <1137893795.722320.292690@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, ' "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:     > > Consider the following:  > > U > > $  PRIVREQUEST :== $DISK$SOFT:[HTTP_SERVER_3-10A.'ARCH'.BASE_CODE]PRIVREQUEST.EXE  > [...] 2 > > $  WWW_NEWTRACE :== 'PRIVREQUEST' 931 NEWTRACE > [...]  >   > >    $  privrequest newtrace/3) > > then it works fine.  This also works: C > The line above is missing the 931 even after symbol substitution.   E Sorry, I should have written that "privrequest 931 newtrace/3" works.   H > 931: The line with /3 is missing 931. The line with /11 is not missing
 > the 931.  2 Sorry for my typos; here's a direct cut-and-paste:   $ sh sym privrequest>   PRIVREQUEST == "$DISK$SOFT:[HTTP_SERVER_3-10A.VAX.BASE_CODE] PRIVREQUEST.EXE" $ show symbol www_newtrace\   WWW_NEWTRACE == "$DISK$SOFT:[HTTP_SERVER_3-10A.VAX.BASE_CODE]PRIVREQUEST.EXE 931 NEWTRACE" $ www_newtrace Port 80 response: D 200 New version of trace log opened at logger level: 0, old level: 0   $ www_newtrace/11 D error connecting to 'localhost': -1(can't assign requested address ) $ www_newtrace /11D error connecting to 'localhost': -1(can't assign requested address ) $ privrequest 931 newtrace Port 80 response: D 200 New version of trace log opened at logger level: 0, old level: 0   $ privrequest 931 newtrace/0 Port 80 response: D 200 New version of trace log opened at logger level: 0, old level: 0   $ privrequest 931 newtrace /0 D error connecting to 'localhost': -1(can't assign requested address )  G So, it looks like JF's remark about "DCL inserting a space" is correct. * However, WHY does DCL insert a space here?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 04:57:10 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: Re: forgetting my DCL: what am I missing?, Message-ID: <43D356EF.2F11ECD0@teksavvy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: I > So, it looks like JF's remark about "DCL inserting a space" is correct.   & I can'.t be wrong 100% of the time ;-)    , > However, WHY does DCL insert a space here?   Consider the following:    say = "write sys$output ""===>"    $say/hello world" , ==> /hello world            DCL adds a space       $'say'/hello world" 2 ===>/hello world           DCL doesn't add a space   $'say /hello world" - ===>/hello world          DCL removes a space    $'say/hello world 9 ===>/hello world          Doesn't add nor remove a space.     F Looks like the code that checks for possible symbol substitutions in aD DCL command has code to add or remove spaces. Mayby Guy Peleg should look into this.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 04:59:14 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: Re: forgetting my DCL: what am I missing?, Message-ID: <43D3576A.88CB4EEB@teksavvy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: H > In addition, the commands have to originate from localhost, so even if> > the secret is out AEF or JF can't manage my web server.  :-)    E OSU can designate any remote host as being allowed to send management 
 commands.    Manage host ip.ad.re.ss  Manage port 931    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:01:03 GMT 3 From: "j1076366@hotmail.com" <j1076366@hotmail.com> < Subject: Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint)8 Message-ID: <jab6t1p6opm1eqil1qtvpa204cr7a9uah1@4ax.com>  & Where does the author get the numbers?  6 Did I read it right? 300,000 installations world wide? My guess - its more like 100 !  
 After all,D how many cobol vms guys are still alive that are willing to maintain
 this code?   Me. That's it. j1076366@hotmail.com    - On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:10:51 -0500, "Syltrem" ! <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote:   2 >Thought this could be interesting to some of you.' >Especially if you have a sale to make.  > I >Click this link to download PowerPoint ShowOpenVMS Today - Going beyond  1 >technology (before Feb 19 2006 when it expires)  K >https://www.avitage.com/proc/hp/p/4vvszz0fs3wrf5vjz52s/OpenvmsTodayGoi.ppt  >  >Have a nice weekend, everyone >  >Syltrem >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 03:49:20 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> < Subject: Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint), Message-ID: <43D3470D.AE67FA7B@teksavvy.com>   "j1076366@hotmail.com" wrote: 8 > Did I read it right? 300,000 installations world wide?  % This is a difficult point to discuss.   G Avoiding the discussion about the difference between the current number G and the previously used number avoids discussing th etrue direction and  speed of where VMS is going.  G Discussing it would only bring this to the attention of the media which + may not be very positive for VMS' fortunes.   ! A 25% change is very significant.   G This would give certain people at HP lots of ammunition to just keep on 8 ignoring VMS and let it continue on its current course.   E But for the people who do care about VMS, such a number should really C add motivation to do something to change things and get VMS growing H againb byt moving it to a platform where there is no excuse to limit VMS to a few focused marlets.   C BTW, when they mention VMS in heathcare, is this a very USA-centric I issue, or is VMS truly used around the world in healthcare applications ?    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2006 10:37:22 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)< Subject: Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint), Message-ID: <43d36062$1@news.langstoeger.at>  \ In article <43D3470D.AE67FA7B@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:D >BTW, when they mention VMS in heathcare, is this a very USA-centricJ >issue, or is VMS truly used around the world in healthcare applications ?  E Don't know about healthcare (I think, VMS is not really there anymore G since many years). But here it is (if things don't change very quickly) @ soon (2yr?) no longer used in money biz (banks, stocks) anymore. Or so I'm told...    Sigh  E PS: Anybody won in the lottery recently ? To finance a VMS campaign ?  --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 05:36:06 -0500 % From: BRAD <bradhamilton@comcast.net> < Subject: Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint)* Message-ID: <43D36016.6070809@comcast.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > "j1076366@hotmail.com" wrote:  > 8 >>Did I read it right? 300,000 installations world wide? >  > ' > This is a difficult point to discuss.  > I > Avoiding the discussion about the difference between the current number I > and the previously used number avoids discussing th etrue direction and  > speed of where VMS is going. > I > Discussing it would only bring this to the attention of the media which - > may not be very positive for VMS' fortunes.  > # > A 25% change is very significant.   I I would be cautious here - this is the first public mention I've seen of  C a number different from the "company line".  This presentation was  ? apparently produced by a media marketing firm with no apparent  F connection to HP.  If the 300K number were to be repeated a number of @ times, especially by HP itself, then it would become believable.   <snip>E > BTW, when they mention VMS in heathcare, is this a very USA-centric K > issue, or is VMS truly used around the world in healthcare applications ?   I I know of two hospitals in a major metropolitan city close to you, where  D VMS systems have (at least) a peripheral role (I helped support the F systems remotely in 2003 and 2004).  From my limited perspective, VMS G was strongly entrenched, but was showing signs of decline.  Certainly,  H the limited job market in my area shows very few healthcare-related VMS D jobs' at least one major healthcare provider had a VMS support role H available, but only for someone with multi-platform knowledge, implying G a future move away from VMS.  Another area hospital was proud of their  F new Cerner system, but it was AIX-based; the only VMS machine in that  facility was a lonely 2100.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:27:41 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>< Subject: Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint), Message-ID: <43hc1uF1nnih4U1@individual.net>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:^ > In article <43D3470D.AE67FA7B@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > E >>BTW, when they mention VMS in heathcare, is this a very USA-centric K >>issue, or is VMS truly used around the world in healthcare applications ?  >  > G > Don't know about healthcare (I think, VMS is not really there anymore I > since many years). But here it is (if things don't change very quickly) B > soon (2yr?) no longer used in money biz (banks, stocks) anymore. > Or so I'm told...  >  > Sigh > G > PS: Anybody won in the lottery recently ? To finance a VMS campaign ?   C Trzy your luck! The Euro Millions lottery Jackpot is now up to 226  # million SFr (~100M UKP, 145M Euro):   K http://www.euromillions-swisslos.ch/we_euromillions/php/de/main_home_de.php    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:21:55 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> < Subject: Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint), Message-ID: <43D386DE.6DA801D8@teksavvy.com>   BRAD wrote: K >> I would be cautious here - this is the first public mention I've seen of . > a number different from the "company line".   9 It was an official presentation from HP with the HP logo.   F And I had heard that same number from another source. I think that the2 "official" company excuse is server consolidation.  G However, since VMS systems started off with the ability to run multiple D applications in one instance, "consolidation" would happen at a muchD lesser rate than with Wintel crap stuff where a bunch of traditionalH windows-weeny separate wintel box on a wireframe shelf get replaced by aH 19" rack with 1U units over/under some disk array.  (or possibly a blade drawer inside the 19" rack).    F Note that market contraction for serious systems is a long term thing.F People can't usually replace systems with a competitor's overnight. SoG any market contraction seen today would be the result of decisions made 
 years ago.  H What HP doesn't want to admit is that to start to reverse such decisionsF before it is too late takes a big push of advertising to send a strongH signal that VMS is under new management and that plans to get rid of VMSD need to be re-evaluated.  Announcing the port to the 8086 would go a< long way to wards ensiring VMS runs on a long term platform.  H This is especially true in light of the distrust about the Alpha murder.D If you can't trust the vendor's promises about Alpha, one sure can'tF trust their promises about that IA64 thing, especially since the media, agree that it doesn't have much of a future.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:12:30 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG< Subject: Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint)0 Message-ID: <00A502BC.6F916916@SendSpamHere.ORG>  / This whole thread is moot if you can't view it.   J Marketing material with a focus only on the PeeCee Weendoze mindset is notI marketing.  They're content with M$ patch-a-minute(tm) and would not care J about the strengths of VMS.  This focus precludes those that do not investJ their hard earned dollars into toys like M$ patch-a-minute(tm); therefore, this is ineffective marketing.  # PUT THIS CRAP INTO A USEFUL FORMAT.    --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2006 07:35:46 -0800 From: davidc@montagar.com < Subject: Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint)C Message-ID: <1137944146.547607.251960@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   F I would suggest OpenDocument, which a viewer is currently being portedC to OpenVMS.  At the very least you can unzip the file, and read the 4 XML.  Which is more than you can do with Powerpoint.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2006 07:34:40 -0800 From: davidc@montagar.com < Subject: Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint)C Message-ID: <1137944080.906351.156700@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   5 >... major healthcare provider had a VMS support role H >available, but only for someone with multi-platform knowledge, implying >a future move away from VMS.   C John Wisniweski wrote something called "The Planet of the VMS Apes" F (which I wish I could find a copy of).  The end, then Taylor fnids theD cave, it's full of VMS machines - still running.  The success of VMSF became it's failure.  It was too stable, too robust and so little timeE was spent rebooting, patching, and fixing it, people forgot how - but  they stil continued to run.   B There are very few companies that would hire a full-time, VMS-onlyD person.  VMS doesn't need that kind of care and attention to keep itG running.  So the implication that a multi-platform knowledge is desired F is more reflective that we live in a multi-platform environment (whereD VMS does not require constant upkeep).  Unless you're a Windows guy,D then you can eb single faceted, since they can always shuffle you to( everyones desk all day removing spyware.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2006 17:13:55 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)< Subject: Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint), Message-ID: <43d3bd53$1@news.langstoeger.at>  _ In article <1137944080.906351.156700@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, davidc@montagar.com writes: C >There are very few companies that would hire a full-time, VMS-only E >person.  VMS doesn't need that kind of care and attention to keep it H >running.  So the implication that a multi-platform knowledge is desiredG >is more reflective that we live in a multi-platform environment (where E >VMS does not require constant upkeep).  Unless you're a Windows guy, E >then you can eb single faceted, since they can always shuffle you to ) >everyones desk all day removing spyware.   C From my personal experience, you need at least 7 times the staff to F manage M$ then to manage VMS. But then you get a 7 to 1 vote scheme onH decisions pro or contra a platform. VMS can't win on such a democracy...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2006 11:36:40 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) < Subject: Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint)3 Message-ID: <FoNNWPhnTrBZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <43d39867$0$23258$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl>, Wilm Boerhout <w4OLD.boerhout@PAINTplanet.nl> writes:8 > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG mailde op 22-1-2006 15:12... >  >>  & >> PUT THIS CRAP INTO A USEFUL FORMAT. >>   > ! > This `Useful format being... ?   9 HTML seems to work quite well for presenting information.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:09:06 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>< Subject: Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint)+ Message-ID: <43D3CA42.5BE20359@comcast.net>    davidc@montagar.com wrote: > 7 > >... major healthcare provider had a VMS support role J > >available, but only for someone with multi-platform knowledge, implying > >a future move away from VMS.  > E > John Wisniweski wrote something called "The Planet of the VMS Apes" H > (which I wish I could find a copy of).  The end, then Taylor fnids theF > cave, it's full of VMS machines - still running.  The success of VMSH > became it's failure.  It was too stable, too robust and so little timeG > was spent rebooting, patching, and fixing it, people forgot how - but  > they stil continued to run.   G Almost sounds like "Forbidden Planet" where the Krel machinery not only 0 ran "forever", it actually even repaired itself.  D > There are very few companies that would hire a full-time, VMS-onlyF > person.  VMS doesn't need that kind of care and attention to keep itI > running.  So the implication that a multi-platform knowledge is desired H > is more reflective that we live in a multi-platform environment (whereF > VMS does not require constant upkeep).  Unless you're a Windows guy,F > then you can eb single faceted, since they can always shuffle you to* > everyones desk all day removing spyware.  F VMS itself doesn't need much care-and-feeding; however, the demands ofA an application and/or database can and often do require full-time C hands-on work. Sometimes the application vendor needs that level of   help, for various reasons, also.  D Planning expanded implementations seems a bit beyond HP's ability toE envision (which perhaps explains the "maintain it where it lives, but F don't spread it" paradigm). Yet, that's where my partner and I "live",H professionally. Actually doing SysAdmin stuff is fairly small percentageH of the job. Planning and interfacing with the application teams takes up most of the rest of it.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:32:35 -0500 % From: BRAD <bradhamilton@comcast.net> < Subject: Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint)( Message-ID: <43D3CFC3.90809@comcast.net>    VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:1 > This whole thread is moot if you can't view it.  >   F Be grateful you can't view it - it's not very readable.  Way too much G text information in the slides themselves.  The notes accompanying the  ? slides are more suitable for the amount of textual information  I presented.  This was produced by a company (avitage) that is supposed to  I be presentation-savvy; if this is a typical example of the presentations  2 they produce, avoid this company at all costs.	:-)  G I can find no authorship information, either on the slides themselves,  D nor in the "Properties" panel (typical VMS PowerPoint presentations = feature the Author's name and affiliation prominently in the  8 introductory slide - there is no such attribution here).  L > Marketing material with a focus only on the PeeCee Weendoze mindset is notK > marketing.  They're content with M$ patch-a-minute(tm) and would not care L > about the strengths of VMS.  This focus precludes those that do not investL > their hard earned dollars into toys like M$ patch-a-minute(tm); therefore,  > this is ineffective marketing. > % > PUT THIS CRAP INTO A USEFUL FORMAT.   G I don't suppose you have M$ Office on your PowerBook?	:-)  I wonder if  H OpenOffice would render it (I think I used OpenOffice several years ago < to view a PP presentation, just to see if it could be done)?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:45:45 -0500 % From: BRAD <bradhamilton@comcast.net> < Subject: Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint)* Message-ID: <43D3D2D9.2050603@comcast.net>   davidc@montagar.com wrote:6 >>... major healthcare provider had a VMS support roleI >>available, but only for someone with multi-platform knowledge, implying  >>a future move away from VMS. >  > E > John Wisniweski wrote something called "The Planet of the VMS Apes" H > (which I wish I could find a copy of).  The end, then Taylor fnids theF > cave, it's full of VMS machines - still running.  The success of VMSH > became it's failure.  It was too stable, too robust and so little timeG > was spent rebooting, patching, and fixing it, people forgot how - but  > they stil continued to run.   F Exactly the situation I walked into in 2003 - the application had not E been worked on since the original port from PDP-11 to VAX (or VAX to  I Alpha).  Things "broke" along the way, and were not fixed.  Systems were  F not tuned properly to ensure a fast, smooth-running application.  The I application was effectively EOL'd because the owner (original developer)  F became convinced that "VMS is crap", when in reality, it was years of + benign neglect which led to that situation.   D > There are very few companies that would hire a full-time, VMS-onlyF > person.  VMS doesn't need that kind of care and attention to keep it
 > running.  H Please see above - VMS may not need much care and attention *if* it has E been taken care of regularly, but will sicken and die like any other    creature, if you neglect it.	:-)  E Perhaps folks in IT shops should schedule regular VMS reboots (every  H quarter, for patches and tuning) to remind Management that the machines > are still there and running, more reliably than most of their E counterparts.  If the systems are never noticeable, Management feels  G much more comfortable with getting rid of them (and their keepers).	:-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:29:27 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> P Subject: Re: How about VMS: "Windows XP Gets Independent Security Certification"= Message-ID: <43d3506c$0$67260$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>    Main, Kerry wrote:G > Course, a Customer could decide to roll our security patches blindly, D > but then they likely do not have a mission critical environment to > support.    @ The minimum time from MS release a patch to it has been reverse I engineered and somebody has figured out what it patches and how to abuse  B the hole, that time is going down.  MS customers may soon have to G consider which evil is lesser:  1) Test and hope that the holes do not  G get exploited before the test and installation of the patches is over,  D or 2) hope that the patches do not cause troubles and patch blindly.  I MS customers who discover that the patches do cause them problems really  F have a problem, because they can expect their machines to be attacked 6 from about one week after the patch has been released.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 05:03:20 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> P Subject: Re: How about VMS: "Windows XP Gets Independent Security Certification", Message-ID: <43D35860.C9B4ED55@teksavvy.com>   Karsten Nyblad wrote: J > MS customers who discover that the patches do cause them problems reallyG > have a problem, because they can expect their machines to be attacked 8 > from about one week after the patch has been released.    G VMS has separate DATA and CODE memory areas, and you cannot branch to a B DATA memory location, nor can you write to a CODE memory location. (correct ?).  B Would it be too late to give Windows the same memory protections ?   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2006 07:57:15 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) P Subject: Re: How about VMS: "Windows XP Gets Independent Security Certification"3 Message-ID: <y9TdXWZJr88+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <43D35860.C9B4ED55@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Karsten Nyblad wrote: K >> MS customers who discover that the patches do cause them problems really H >> have a problem, because they can expect their machines to be attacked9 >> from about one week after the patch has been released.  >  > I > VMS has separate DATA and CODE memory areas, and you cannot branch to a D > DATA memory location, nor can you write to a CODE memory location. > (correct ?). > D > Would it be too late to give Windows the same memory protections ?  2 Certainly that would break backward compatibility.  C Even the Solaris change to make the stack non-executable broke some 8 backward compatibility, so they had to make it optional.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:34:33 +0200 4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>% Subject: Re: Open VMS programing in C & Message-ID: <43D34399.16F28C78@hp.com>    SanthoshfromJay@gmail.com wrote: > H > I tried all  the resources ( book shops  and Internet )  for a book orF > material for VMS programing in C .  The hp doceumentations  "OpenVMSF > Programming Concepts Manual " , "Compaq C Run-Time Library ReferenceI > Manual for OpenVMS Systems "  and " Compaq C Run-Time Library Utilities 5 > Reference Manual "  does not  suite for a beginer . B > More precisely "OpenVMS Programming Concepts Manual " has lot of- > frotran program examples than  C programs . G > Can  anyone suggests a book similar to "Advanced Unix Programing " by  > richard stevens   in VMS . > E > After browsing  for a long time .. i felt open VMS is one such area @ > which has very less materials or course guides .excuse me .... > G > Humm .. All i want  to ask group members is  " suggest me a good book : > for Open VMS Programing in C " .  Thank you ............    E If you can find a copy of the (EXTREMELY OLD) manual for VAX-11 C, it F has an explanation of an editor (EDT, which is also very out-of-date),C the edit-compile-link cycle on VMS, descriptors and the use of some  basic system calls from C.0 As a non-C person I find it occasionally useful.   Mike.  --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:09:47 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> D Subject: Re: Solaris now available for HP Opteron blades but not VMS5 Message-ID: <BmMAf.60$ft2.4954@news20.bellglobal.com>   6 "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net> wrote in message = news:1137806417.327319.197880@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...  >  > Dave Froble wrote: >> >> Is it cooperation?  >>H >> Since Solaris became basically free, maybe it's another ploy by HP toI >> take away SUN customers.  They couldn't sell them SPARC, but they sure  >> can sell them Opteron.  >> >> What would it do for SUN? > G > Sun's new model is to make money off the support contract. If you are C > the sort of customer running data centres full of blades then you < > probably want support even if you can install it for free. > --   > Alan Greig > J And this is how companies like RedHat are making money. You give away the J source code but charge for the maintenance contracts. (On the other hand, J IBM gives away LINUX to sell hardware. Once they've got their foot in the J door then can make money in other different ways: selling IBM services to M manage LINUX; waiting for LINUX problems then offering a cut-rate upgrade to   AIX).   
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