0 INFO-VAX	Mon, 23 Jan 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 46      Contents: Re: ETHERMON for Alpha? 3 Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint) G Re: How about VMS: "Windows XP Gets Independent Security Certification" 7 Re: Intel drops 8086 instruction support from Montecito 7 Re: Intel drops 8086 instruction support from Montecito 4 Re: Mozilla: bookmarks and other stuff disappearing?  Re: Remote Java debugging on VMS SimH V3.5-2 released9 Sixty (six-zero) VMS engineers *with* security clearance? = Re: Sixty (six-zero) VMS engineers *with* security clearance? = Re: Sixty (six-zero) VMS engineers *with* security clearance? = Re: Sixty (six-zero) VMS engineers *with* security clearance? 3 Re: The processor wars Part 1, "The death of Alpha" 3 Re: The processor wars Part 1, "The death of Alpha" & Re: Why we need itanium notebooks now!& Re: Why we need itanium notebooks now!  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:55:29 -0000 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>  Subject: Re: ETHERMON for Alpha?2 Message-ID: <dr296h$o5h$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>  @ "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:43D2C3F5.C93DA650@comcast.net...   - >> Which TCP stack are you running & version.  > H > Wrong layer. I'm looking for layer 2, not layer 3. (Don't have layer 3H > connectivity, trying found out why by seeing what's wrong at layer 2.)  A TCPDUMP, despite its name, is a packet capture and decoding tool; ? unlike TCPTRACE, which shipped with earlier UCX versions, which  was TCP/IP and friends only.     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:36:10 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> < Subject: Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint)= Message-ID: <43d4875e$0$78285$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>    David J Dachtera wrote: J > Which raises the question: is there an open source PPT viewer that could > be ported to VMS+DECwindows?  
 OpenOffice   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jan 2006 07:52:55 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) P Subject: Re: How about VMS: "Windows XP Gets Independent Security Certification"3 Message-ID: <K7kj0vwkaGy5@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <43D35860.C9B4ED55@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Karsten Nyblad wrote: K >> MS customers who discover that the patches do cause them problems really H >> have a problem, because they can expect their machines to be attacked9 >> from about one week after the patch has been released.  >  > I > VMS has separate DATA and CODE memory areas, and you cannot branch to a D > DATA memory location, nor can you write to a CODE memory location. > (correct ?).  G    Nothing stops you from branching to a data section if you want to on C    VAX or Alpha.  Whether or not your code sections are writable is :    something you can control at assemble and/or link time.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jan 2006 07:32:21 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) @ Subject: Re: Intel drops 8086 instruction support from Montecito3 Message-ID: <AgOjlfb+qGZu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <43c9g2F1mv5enU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  > J > Not being in the least bit interested in Macs I never looked but I think > this is wrong.  H    Apple would hardly be the first to run a UNIX kernel on top of a Mach>    micro-kernel.  In general micro-kernels are used to supportE    traditional kernels by providing a layer of hardware abstraction.  @    Even Emerald was a stripped down VMS kernel on top of a Mach     micro-kernel on a 386.    I said: G >>                                            Heck, he could offer both = >>    big-endian and little-endian OS X on the same hardware.  >   ! > And the advantage of that is???   H    A bit of humor (since he obviously could do it already with PPC if he    had a market for it).   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jan 2006 06:27:58 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com @ Subject: Re: Intel drops 8086 instruction support from MontecitoC Message-ID: <1138026478.351409.303450@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29154    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jan 2006 09:08:04 -0800( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>= Subject: Re: Mozilla: bookmarks and other stuff disappearing? B Message-ID: <1138036084.506985.24150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: @ > I have noticed that Mozilla sometimes doesn't come up with theI > customised start page.  Sometimes it does.  Apparently, it doesn't find $ > the file on startup.  No big deal. > . > Now, it appears that the bookmarks are lost. >  > What file are they stored in?  >  > How could this happen? > F > It's no big deal since my main bookmarks are in LYNX, but a) it is a= > pain to set them up again and b) this seems rather strange.  > 9 > It's the Mozilla version which was current last summer.  >  > Anyone else seen this?  G Your profile may be getting screwed up, or Mozilla is (for some reason) G starting in another profile.  I haven't seen lost bookmarks; my current 9 issue is still the nonfunctional spam filtering in email.   E Mozilla on my home system created a profile under the mozilla default 5 directory for my account.  In my case, the file is at : DKA100:[JORDAN._mozilla.default.{profileID}]BOOKMARKS.HTMLC where {profileID} is an 8_3.DIR name that varies for every profile.   > A list of what the files in the profile directory are is here:" http://gemal.dk/mozilla/files.html    @ You can get to the Mozilla profile manager  using a command lineE qualifier.  I'm not at home so can't try it, but the Mozilla doc page  for these qualifiers is at2 http://www.mozilla.org/docs/command-line-args.html   Rich   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Jan 2006 11:15:48 GMT8 From: Bernhard Dorninger <bernhard.dorningerATscchDOTat>) Subject: Re: Remote Java debugging on VMS 3 Message-ID: <Xns97547CBF674EDbdscch@193.171.255.23>   ( Harald Pollak <h.pollak@pke.at> wrote in? news:43d4af99$0$6910$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at:     > Hallo everybody! > % > I have troubles when I try to start 1 > a java programm for remote debuging on OpenVMS.  > ) > I use classic VM and try to start with:  > F > java "-Xdebug" "-Xrunjdwp:transport=dt_socket,server=y,address=8787" > "-jar" "start.jar"  	 > ...snip   which VMS version? Java version? which java logicals are set?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:32:19 -0500 1 From: Bob Supnik <bob.supnik@sicortex.nospam.com>  Subject: SimH V3.5-2 released 8 Message-ID: <hur9t19hporjbmilh613caiu5lt0pnappv@4ax.com>  , On the web at http://simh.trailing-edge.com.  F V3.5-2 has a number of bug fixes in the VAX, -11, -10, and -8, as wellD as the first release of the VAX-11/780 simulator (without Ethernet).; The 780 has booted and run VMS 7.2, as a verification test.    /Bob Supnik    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jan 2006 05:19:35 -0800 From: comp.os.vms@hotmail.com B Subject: Sixty (six-zero) VMS engineers *with* security clearance?C Message-ID: <1138022375.274556.110640@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Folks,  ) This topic came up in conversation today.   D It was suggested that JFs "tinfoil hat" commentary had an historical precedent from the PDP days.  G Apparently a PDP OS called IAS (I am not old enough to have heard of it A apparently) went south and the 5-sided boys just hired the entire  development crew from DEC.  F Is anyone out there older than me and remembers this as a true event ?  D Either way, I suspect the client in CA/NM was USAF, and JFs comments9 may turn out to be prescient.  Any further news on this ?   	 Dr. Dweeb    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:54:14 -0500 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>F Subject: Re: Sixty (six-zero) VMS engineers *with* security clearance?* Message-ID: <43d4ee18@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  I IAS was a RSX11D derivative IIRC.  I have no insight into any movement of G people from its development group to the gov (I was in the field at the J time, and not in engineering).  I do know that the white house mail systemI once ran on IAS - as someone I worked with a clearance and IAS background # occasionally was called on by them.     * <comp.os.vms@hotmail.com> wrote in message= news:1138022375.274556.110640@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...  > Folks, > + > This topic came up in conversation today.  > F > It was suggested that JFs "tinfoil hat" commentary had an historical > precedent from the PDP days. > I > Apparently a PDP OS called IAS (I am not old enough to have heard of it C > apparently) went south and the 5-sided boys just hired the entire  > development crew from DEC. > H > Is anyone out there older than me and remembers this as a true event ? > F > Either way, I suspect the client in CA/NM was USAF, and JFs comments; > may turn out to be prescient.  Any further news on this ?  >  > Dr. Dweeb  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:51:20 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> F Subject: Re: Sixty (six-zero) VMS engineers *with* security clearance?( Message-ID: <ops3t8zudbzgicya@hyrrokkin>  H On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:54:14 -0500, FredK <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>   wrote:  K > IAS was a RSX11D derivative IIRC.  I have no insight into any movement of I > people from its development group to the gov (I was in the field at the G > time, and not in engineering).  I do know that the white house mail    > systemK > once ran on IAS - as someone I worked with a clearance and IAS background % > occasionally was called on by them.  > I Until the time Clinton left Office it was a VAX and the applications were  written in PL/I  > , > <comp.os.vms@hotmail.com> wrote in message? > news:1138022375.274556.110640@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... 	 >> Folks,  >>, >> This topic came up in conversation today. >>G >> It was suggested that JFs "tinfoil hat" commentary had an historical  >> precedent from the PDP days.  >>J >> Apparently a PDP OS called IAS (I am not old enough to have heard of itD >> apparently) went south and the 5-sided boys just hired the entire >> development crew from DEC.  >>I >> Is anyone out there older than me and remembers this as a true event ?  >>G >> Either way, I suspect the client in CA/NM was USAF, and JFs comments < >> may turn out to be prescient.  Any further news on this ?  ; Rolm built a militarized version, maybe a connection there?  >> >> Dr. Dweeb >> >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 23 Jan 2006 18:40:43 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) F Subject: Re: Sixty (six-zero) VMS engineers *with* security clearance?, Message-ID: <43km9bF1nfnmrU1@individual.net>  C In article <1138022375.274556.110640@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,   	comp.os.vms@hotmail.com writes: > Folks, > + > This topic came up in conversation today.  > F > It was suggested that JFs "tinfoil hat" commentary had an historical > precedent from the PDP days. > I > Apparently a PDP OS called IAS (I am not old enough to have heard of it C > apparently) went south and the 5-sided boys just hired the entire  > development crew from DEC. > H > Is anyone out there older than me and remembers this as a true event ?  D Don't know if I'm older than you, but I could be.  In any case, fromA what I remember when Mentec got RSTS, RSX and RT they reason they A did  not get IAS in the pacage was DEC's commitment to support it B for the government.  I believe that contract is long over and most; people I have spoken with think IAS has probably been lost.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:20:06 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>< Subject: Re: The processor wars Part 1, "The death of Alpha"? Message-ID: <WR3Bf.184470$vl2.102688@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    Robert Boers wrote:    > Interesting article:9 > http://www.digitimes.com/bits_chips/a20060123PR200.html   E Unfortunately he is 100% correct. Although he has the sequence about  H right he doesn't seem to be aware though that Mike "Curly" Capellas has E admitted (since leaving HP) that when he took over Compaq, Ben Rosen  I (Compaq main shareholder) told him he wanted out of Alpha. Carly Fiorina  E and Curly had a meeting in a hotel bedroom shortly after, where they  C discussed this and began their covert "relationship" a year or two   before the merger.  F Eckhard Pfeiffer was fired because he actually wanted to do something $ with Alpha and the DEC product line.  > The author suggests that exactly the same sequence leading to H "retirement" of Itanium is now being executed by HP/Intel. I predict he  is right there too.    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:13:11 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>< Subject: Re: The processor wars Part 1, "The death of Alpha"1 Message-ID: <H88Bf.1967$L44.557@news.cpqcorp.net>    Alan Greig wrote:  >  >  > Robert Boers wrote:  >  >> Interesting article: : >> http://www.digitimes.com/bits_chips/a20060123PR200.html >   > I found it rather limited and very inaccurate.  I suspect the G consultant's arms were waving fast enough to actually lift him off the  B ground.  For instance, he didn't mention that actually designing, F debugging, building EV8s in quantity would require massive amounts of B money that Compaq didn't want to spend in light of the promise of F Itanium performance.  Now, it might be easier with 20-20 hindsight to G pick at the decision, but money, die-size, process-size, etc. were all  & part of the decision from what I know.     > H > Eckhard Pfeiffer was fired because he actually wanted to do something & > with Alpha and the DEC product line. >   C Say whaaaa!?!?!  So you think Eckhard was fired for sitting around  < trying to expand Alpha sales?  That isn't how I remember it.     --   John   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jan 2006 07:22:30 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) / Subject: Re: Why we need itanium notebooks now! 3 Message-ID: <eWXv49IF89N0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <dqrh99$t68$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: 5 > In article <0BDqJCUJe7F$@eisner.encompasserve.org>, @ > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:  > f >> In article <deWzf.288$SC1.130@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "d b turner" <dbturner@islandco.com> writes: >> >  I >> > Who needs a native version of VMS on an Itanium when you could have   >> > Charon-XXX running  >>  J >>    Did mozilla ever run on a VAX?  (If it did, I never installed it.)   > - > No; something to do with IEEE bit patterns.   F    Java (and support for it in browsers) doesn't run on VAX because ofH    IEEE floating point requirements.  But browsers which support Java on@    other platforms have been ported to VAX without Java support.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:07:28 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> / Subject: Re: Why we need itanium notebooks now! ( Message-ID: <ops3t9qqrnzgicya@hyrrokkin>  , On 23 Jan 2006 07:22:30 -0600, Bob Koehler  0 <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote:  H > In article <dqrh99$t68$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de  4 > (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:6 >> In article <0BDqJCUJe7F$@eisner.encompasserve.org>,@ >> koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >>I >>> In article <deWzf.288$SC1.130@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "d b turner"   # >>> <dbturner@islandco.com> writes:  >>> > I >>> > Who needs a native version of VMS on an Itanium when you could have  >>> > Charon-XXX running >>> I >>>    Did mozilla ever run on a VAX?  (If it did, I never installed it.)  >>. >> No; something to do with IEEE bit patterns. > H >    Java (and support for it in browsers) doesn't run on VAX because ofJ >    IEEE floating point requirements.  But browsers which support Java onB >    other platforms have been ported to VAX without Java support. > 5 So it is not possible to use F and G float with Java?    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.046 ************************