0 INFO-VAX	Wed, 25 Jan 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 50      Contents:' Re: Acquiring OpenVMS/VAX Install Media ' Re: Acquiring OpenVMS/VAX Install Media ( Re: Alpha Emulator running on Windows XP3 Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint) , Re: Here it is: OpenVMS/Alpha on a simulator, Re: Here it is: OpenVMS/Alpha on a simulator, Re: Here it is: OpenVMS/Alpha on a simulator HSJ50 hardware documentation? 3 Re: Intel, AMD CPUs nothing more than alpha clones! " Re: Tektronix Phaser 560 from VMS?" Re: Tektronix Phaser 560 from VMS?" Re: Tektronix Phaser 560 from VMS?+ Re: Telnet over WAN latency troubleshooting 3 Re: The processor wars Part 1, "The death of Alpha" 3 Re: The processor wars Part 1, "The death of Alpha" 3 Re: The processor wars Part 1, "The death of Alpha" * Re: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page* Re: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page* Re: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page* Re: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page* Re: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page* Re: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:19:33 +0000 * From: Gary Parker <g.j.parker@lboro.ac.uk>0 Subject: Re: Acquiring OpenVMS/VAX Install Media8 Message-ID: <pan.2006.01.25.10.19.33.452130@lboro.ac.uk>  7 On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:22:33 -0500, William Webb wrote: 5 > Since you've done it before but forgotten about it, 9 > I believe that would make you either a re-newbie or one 0 > who is suffering from newbesia. (A newbesiac?)  < Hehe, I like that...makes me feel a bit better about myself.   J > Anyway, welcome back, and keep your eyes on eBay. Real hardware shows up > there from time to time.  H Yeah...there's a VAXstation 4k/60 on there that's at a sensible price atI the moment and there's an old Alpha of some sort in a cupboard downstairs H that I'm trying to persuade my boss to part with. This kit's going to beJ living in the machine room at work once I get something sorted as the GF'sJ unhappy enough as it is with the SPARCstation 20 humming away to itself inF the spare room. Unfortunately my appetite for exotic computing doesn'tF stretch to a budget for air conditioning and sound proofing at home :)   Gary   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:15:01 -0500 - From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> 0 Subject: Re: Acquiring OpenVMS/VAX Install MediaG Message-ID: <8660a3a10601250315l9625263l1e0708d1537acb1@mail.gmail.com>   7 On 1/25/06, Gary Parker <g.j.parker@lboro.ac.uk> wrote: 9 > On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:22:33 -0500, William Webb wrote: 7 > > Since you've done it before but forgotten about it, ; > > I believe that would make you either a re-newbie or one 2 > > who is suffering from newbesia. (A newbesiac?) > > > Hehe, I like that...makes me feel a bit better about myself. > L > > Anyway, welcome back, and keep your eyes on eBay. Real hardware shows u= p  > > there from time to time. > J > Yeah...there's a VAXstation 4k/60 on there that's at a sensible price atK > the moment and there's an old Alpha of some sort in a cupboard downstairs J > that I'm trying to persuade my boss to part with. This kit's going to beL > living in the machine room at work once I get something sorted as the GF'= s L > unhappy enough as it is with the SPARCstation 20 humming away to itself i= n H > the spare room. Unfortunately my appetite for exotic computing doesn'tH > stretch to a budget for air conditioning and sound proofing at home :) >  > Gary >   F Well, since it's wintertime, there have been offers of Alpha 2100s andD even a GS160 on this forum as of late, and they'd eliminate the need for heating bills..   9 Of course. you'd have to run around unclad in the summer.    :^) :^) :^)    WWWebb --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2006 07:46:06 -0800 From: "Arie" <arie@zeepost.nl>1 Subject: Re: Alpha Emulator running on Windows XP B Message-ID: <1138203966.682808.30100@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  4 No, it is not (1x), it is a completelly new product.  
 Best regards,   
 Arie de Groot    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:56:17 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) < Subject: Re: Good OpenVMS presentation (slides # powerpoint)L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2501060656350001@user-uinj46q.dialup.mindspring.com>  F In article <msBBf.8827$ft2.147638@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote:   7 >"Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in message  + >news:11t2gtbb8r5bufd@corp.supernews.com... 4 >> Thought this could be interesting to some of you.) >> Especially if you have a sale to make.  >>K >> Click this link to download PowerPoint ShowOpenVMS Today - Going beyond  3 >> technology (before Feb 19 2006 when it expires)  M >> https://www.avitage.com/proc/hp/p/4vvszz0fs3wrf5vjz52s/OpenvmsTodayGoi.ppt  >>  >> Have a nice weekend, everyone >>
 >> Syltrem >>K >Slide #37 mentions DDR-II and PCI-E for Itanium. Does anyone know if this  M >technology was ever sold with Alpha? (I've had both of them for a while now   >on my ASUS P5GD2)   Definitely not PCI-E.   F I don't think DDR-II was used on alpha systems either.  I think MarvelH would have been the only family to maybe have a chance to use it, and itG didn't.  The memory architecture is usually locked into a system fairly J early, and support chips usually need to be redesigned to move to the next generation of memory.   G I don't think any other companies made alpha systems recently enough to G use DDR-II or PCI-E.  But there might be some obscure ones that I don't  know about.   B HP's Integrity servers have gotten way ahead of AlphaServers in IOJ technology.  Not surprising since the last Alpha IO subsystem was designed 4 or 5 years ago at this point.   M BTW, DDR-II and PCI-E are both in the pipeline for Integrity systems and VMS.    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2006 07:42:09 -0800 From: "Arie" <arie@zeepost.nl>5 Subject: Re: Here it is: OpenVMS/Alpha on a simulator C Message-ID: <1138203729.603706.296380@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Alan,   A we included your two comments: the download has now a 5 day trial : period and we have included the Framework v2 notification.  B Yes we do need FrameWork v2 so it has to be installed. It will notE overwrite your current version 1.1 so the applications that need that   version continue to run with 1.1   Thanks for your input,   Best rtegards,  
 Arie de Groot    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2006 08:00:58 -0800$ From: "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org>5 Subject: Re: Here it is: OpenVMS/Alpha on a simulator C Message-ID: <1138204858.816989.254160@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Arie wrote: H > Well yes, we have. When you look at our webpage www.personalalpha.com,C > you will find exactly what you need, I think. Just an hour ago we G > presented this product to the OpenVMS ambassadors during their annual 
 > meeting. > % > Let me know your thoughts about it.   D My first thought is that the web page says it supports 96MB of AlphaG memory and only 2 disks.  What can we really do in only 96MB?  The host : platform requires 1GB and you only get 96MB for the guest?    Is this a temporary restriction?  	    .../Ed    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:49:46 -0600 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> 5 Subject: Re: Here it is: OpenVMS/Alpha on a simulator 5 Message-ID: <slrndtfb1a.h0l.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   g In article <1138204858.816989.254160@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Ed Wilts <ewilts@ewilts.org> wrote: 
 > Arie wrote: I >> Well yes, we have. When you look at our webpage www.personalalpha.com, D >> you will find exactly what you need, I think. Just an hour ago weH >> presented this product to the OpenVMS ambassadors during their annual >> meeting.  >>& >> Let me know your thoughts about it. > F > My first thought is that the web page says it supports 96MB of AlphaI > memory and only 2 disks.  What can we really do in only 96MB?  The host < > platform requires 1GB and you only get 96MB for the guest? > " > Is this a temporary restriction?    That's for the Personal Edition.  F Basically, just enough to get your feet wet and figure out if you'd beC interested in purchasing the more capable (larger-sized) commercial 	 editions.    -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:43:07 -0800 ( From: Ian King <iking@killthewabbit.org>& Subject: HSJ50 hardware documentation?: Message-ID: <43d7b92d$0$1764$8b463f8a@news.nationwide.net>  I Good morning, all!  I'm taking a headlong plunge into a clustered world,  H with my recent purchase of a VAX 6660.  I also picked up an HSJ52 and a I RAID controller; the VAX has a CI controller and, once I can find a star  D coupler, I want to hook it all up.  I'm having difficulty, however, E finding hardware documentation on the HSJ50s, despite such wonderful  I resources as bitsavers.org (thanks, Al!).  Does anyone have a pointer to  I an online resource?  Failing that, does anyone have the documentation in  I hard copy that they would either be willing to part with or have copied?  !   I'd gladly reimburse for costs.    Thanks in advance -- Ian   It's not junk, it's history!$ iking (@t) kill the wabbit (d.t) org   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:33:09 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>< Subject: Re: Intel, AMD CPUs nothing more than alpha clones!? Message-ID: <9eKBf.201478$vl2.112317@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    Dave Froble wrote: >  > 9 > Haven't heard anything about that.  Got any references?   1 Best I can track down right now is the following:    ===== P http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/10/26/44OPcurve_1.html?source=rss&url=http:/  I One strategic path that will knock you for a loop, and which Ill detail  > soon, is AMDs coming escape from the confines of Intels x86 C instruction set. To this point, AMD has resisted the temptation to  I overhaul the x86, even though it sorely needs it. When Fab 36 cranks up,  H AMD will overcome that fear. AMD64 processors will take on performance, G scalability, resource management, and availability-related instruction  F set extensions that will be proprietary to AMD CPUs. Dont freak out: = AMD will keep its contract to be 100 percent compatible with  H Intel-standard processors. But the idea of seeing optimized for AMD64 F stamped on software boxes delights me. Another journalist at the same ? event posited that AMDs technological lead over Intel will be  @ short-lived and is calling game over once Intels new Pentium F M-derived cores debut across the product line. With due respect to my G colleague, AMD will extend its lead, showing Intels reactive strategy   for what it is.   / Stay tuned to find out why Im so sure of that.  =====    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2006 01:06:05 -0800- From: "mb301@hotmail.com" <mb301@hotmail.com> + Subject: Re: Tektronix Phaser 560 from VMS? C Message-ID: <1138179965.300883.260940@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   F http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/10331_div/10331_div.HTML  9 did some testing with DCPS years ago and found it needs a C bi-directional path between the server and the printer. i.e. status A messages are sent from the printer to the host, You can see these  message by doing the following  / $ telnet <<ipaddress of the printer>>/port=9100  escape character is ^] now press [ctr]l ^T  %%[status idle]%%   7 If you get this message then DCPS will work correctly.     Regards  M.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:46:12 -0500 + From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net> + Subject: Re: Tektronix Phaser 560 from VMS? = Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060125064305.094808b8@patmedia.net>   / At 04:06 AM 1/25/2006, mb301@hotmail.com wrote: G >http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/10331_div/10331_div.HTML  > : >did some testing with DCPS years ago and found it needs aD >bi-directional path between the server and the printer. i.e. statusB >messages are sent from the printer to the host, You can see these >message by doing the following   E The latest DCPS doesn't need a bi-directional path anymore, but that  9 point is moot here since the OP said he didn't have DCPS.   E He should try DCPS, since it doesn't need a separate license anymore  3 and you can just install it off of the software CD.    Ken    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:46:17 +0000 (UTC) < From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)+ Subject: Re: Tektronix Phaser 560 from VMS? ) Message-ID: <dr7rup$q8f$1@news.BelWue.DE>   r In article <1138158403.081689.214420@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "rcyoung" <rcyoung@aliconsultants.com> writes:A >Does anyone have information on how (or if ) a Phaser 560 can be F >accessed from VMS? The Phaser has LPR capabilities (I can print to itD >using LPR from a Unix system), and I am only printing plain 'black'H >text. I have been trying to set it up using TCP/IP Services and seem toH >get nada. Any examples floating around of how to set it up??? I feel it: >is a matter of not having some basic pice of information.> >A have an HP4000 working just fine using the telnet symbiont. >  >I do not have DCPS.  J We did it via Multinet with a Phaser550 and now with a Phaser750. Here are the details.  C Printer queue LASER6, idle, on MPI6::NLP1:, mounted form POSTSCRIPT   (stock=DEFAULT)*   <LPD queue on laser6.immunbio.mpg.de PS>=   /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FORM=POSTSCRIPT (stock=DEFAULT)) 0   /LIBRARY=MSAP$DEVCTL Lowercase /OWNER=[SYSTEM]F   /PROCESSOR=MULTINET_LPD_SYMBIONT /PROTECTION=(S:RSMD,O:RSMD,G:S,W:S)  9 Form name                            Number   Description 9 ---------                            ------   ----------- 7 POSTSCRIPT (stock=DEFAULT)             1160   Phaser550 +     /LENGTH=255 /STOCK=DEFAULT /WIDTH=65535     L Queue Name                   Destination                   Remote Queue NameL ----------                   ---------------               -----------------= LASER6                       laser6.immunbio.mpg.de        PS ,         Device Control Library = MSAP$DEVCTL         Queue Owner = SYSTEM!         Default Form = POSTSCRIPT 2         Queue Protection = (S:RSMD,O:RSMD,G:S,W:S)(         Burst Page Option is set to NONE*         Trailer Page Option is set to NONE0         End of page Form Feed will be suppressed)         Spool Device will be set /PASSALL     9 Alternatively you may try to print directly to port 9100.      Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2006 07:58:30 -0800( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>4 Subject: Re: Telnet over WAN latency troubleshootingC Message-ID: <1138204710.396465.244380@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   C I'm running through all the menus and don't see any way to get line @ quality information.  Apparently you have to use the browser/guiF interface to get that, and I can't  since its only accessible from theB LAN interface of the modem.  Maybe there's a way to get to the CLI! instead of the menus.  Hopefully.   E The ISP is Megapath, the carrier is Bellsouth; I know the latter is a D recipe for no support and lackadaisical service but its the only oneG providing any connectivity to these areas; even the T1s come from them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:34:35 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> < Subject: Re: The processor wars Part 1, "The death of Alpha"= Message-ID: <43d7380b$0$67258$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>    JF Mezei wrote: J > The 8086, due to competition from AMD, morphed into a respectable 64 bitI > chip to such an extent that even Intel started to make 64 bit 8086s and D > agree to narrow IA64's remaining market niche to high end systems.  F I have found no information stating that the Duo Core chip implements H EMT64.  I might be wrong, but I think Apple has chosen a 32bit chip for F their first generation of Intel chips.  I wonder why they did not buy D AMD chips instead so that they could base their computers on 64-bit  technology from the start.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2006 01:36:23 -0800 From: comp.os.vms@hotmail.com < Subject: Re: The processor wars Part 1, "The death of Alpha"B Message-ID: <1138181782.996984.96440@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  D More likely unwilling.  The capability is without question.  What is? questionable is whether the ROI for low-power PPC is there with 2 essentially only the PowerBook as a target device.  	 Dr. Dweeb    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:54:56 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> < Subject: Re: The processor wars Part 1, "The death of Alpha"0 Message-ID: <11tfb9n15tqk417@corp.supernews.com>   Karsten Nyblad wrote:  > JF Mezei wrote:  > K >> The 8086, due to competition from AMD, morphed into a respectable 64 bit J >> chip to such an extent that even Intel started to make 64 bit 8086s andE >> agree to narrow IA64's remaining market niche to high end systems.  >  > H > I have found no information stating that the Duo Core chip implements J > EMT64.  I might be wrong, but I think Apple has chosen a 32bit chip for H > their first generation of Intel chips.  I wonder why they did not buy F > AMD chips instead so that they could base their computers on 64-bit  > technology from the start.  # Several possibilities come to mind.   = Intel may be cutting real sweet deals on price to combat AMD.   F It's rumored that AMD is basically 'sold out', all current production  already spoken for.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:58:35 +0100 ) From: Stefaan A Eeckels <hoendech@ecc.lu> 3 Subject: Re: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page 5 Message-ID: <20060125095835.bfdede9a.hoendech@ecc.lu>   " On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:46:07 -06003 David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:   & > Artifact of Netscape Navigator Gold. > @ > ...but I gotta ask the question: Why would you set the default= > background to anything other than the installation default?   D I have a colleague (much younger than me) who has gone through greatG lengths to give all his windows a black background and phosphorus-green E foreground. Why anyone would willingly recreate the (at least for me) B tear-jerking situation of the late seventies is beyond me, but "de gustibus non est disputandum".     --   Stefaan  --  5 As complexity rises, precise statements lose meaning, 9 and meaningful statements lose precision. -- Lotfi Zadeh     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:33:55 +0100 ( From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.nano.tudelft.nl>3 Subject: Re: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page < Message-ID: <2df36$43d77034$82a13cad$22479@news2.tudelft.nl>   Stefaan A Eeckels wrote:$ > On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:46:07 -06005 > David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:  >  > & >>Artifact of Netscape Navigator Gold. >>@ >>...but I gotta ask the question: Why would you set the default= >>background to anything other than the installation default?  >  > F > I have a colleague (much younger than me) who has gone through greatI > lengths to give all his windows a black background and phosphorus-green G > foreground. Why anyone would willingly recreate the (at least for me) D > tear-jerking situation of the late seventies is beyond me, but "de! > gustibus non est disputandum".   > F At least for me it is less tiring for my eyes : It save me a headache F not having to look at a too light screen, on which the less important ' thing (the background) is (hi-)lighted.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:53:56 +0000 (UTC) 2 From: never+mail@panix.com.invalid (Michael Roach)3 Subject: Re: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page , Message-ID: <dr86uk$d22$1@reader2.panix.com>  < In article <2df36$43d77034$82a13cad$22479@news2.tudelft.nl>,* JOUKJ  <joukj@hrem.nano.tudelft.nl> wrote: >Stefaan A Eeckels wrote: % >> On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:46:07 -0600 6 >> David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote: >>   >>  ' >>>Artifact of Netscape Navigator Gold.  >>> A >>>...but I gotta ask the question: Why would you set the default > >>>background to anything other than the installation default? >>   >>  G >> I have a colleague (much younger than me) who has gone through great J >> lengths to give all his windows a black background and phosphorus-greenH >> foreground. Why anyone would willingly recreate the (at least for me)E >> tear-jerking situation of the late seventies is beyond me, but "de " >> gustibus non est disputandum".  >>  G >At least for me it is less tiring for my eyes : It save me a headache  G >not having to look at a too light screen, on which the less important  ( >thing (the background) is (hi-)lighted.  E One of my kids' ex-babysitters has a disability where she has trouble A focusing on anything dark with a light background, say, text in a H textbook. (I forget what this syndrome is called.) It turns out she doesF best with green letters on a black background. (She could have a great future as a NOC operator.)  A But I will never undersdand why some web authors think light gray , letters on a pastel floral background is OK. --  / There's no room in the drug world for amateurs.    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2006 08:48:56 -0800 From: bob.birch@gmail.com 3 Subject: Re: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page C Message-ID: <1138207736.178045.212480@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   8 Approximately 1 in 12 adult men, suffer from Protanomaly2 or red/Green color blindness. Plus 1 in 200 women.  = I have the problem and some web sites I visit are practically 8 invisible, as they use black, red and green extensively.  : Driving a car you can adjust by noting the position of the red/green/yellowD lamps to each other. Wiring a computer backplane or other device andF trying to pick the correct color coded wires is a bit of a hassle, but you  adjust.   G However a web site with a red/green color blindness bias is unreadable, C with no adjustments available, so you click on by passing the site. ? Amazing to me that web designers use red/green anywhere as they  eliminate a lot of viewers.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:58:28 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 3 Subject: Re: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page 0 Message-ID: <11tfbg9bc4vlib1@corp.supernews.com>   David J Dachtera wrote:  > JOUKJ wrote: >  >>David J Dachtera wrote:  >>H >>>Well, I went ahead and did it. I finally got a round TUIT and made anF >>>Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page. The link is in the modified >>>.sig, below.  >>> % >>>Go ahead and submit your comments.  >>> E >>>I tried to make it positive and forward-thinking. Let me know if I J >>>succeeded. If you want to comment privately, how to demung the Reply-to >>>should be obvious.  >>> F >>>Yes, I know it looks like the others: *BLEAH*. I'm DCL coder, not aH >>>website designer. Anyone who wants to submit an improved form of thisJ >>>page is welcome to do so. How to demung the Reply-to should be obvious. >>>  >>E >>One basic problem : you expicitly set the colour of your letters to I >>black, but did not specify a background colour : When someone (like me) N >>sets the default background of his/her browser to black nothing is vissible. >  > & > Artifact of Netscape Navigator Gold. > @ > ...but I gotta ask the question: Why would you set the default= > background to anything other than the installation default?  >   B The similar question is why would anyone designing a web page set H anything to override the defaults that each user has decided is 'right'  for themselves?    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:56:07 GMT 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> 3 Subject: Re: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ? Message-ID: <b8bddeee4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>   B In message <1138207736.178045.212480@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>$           bob.birch@gmail.com wrote:  : > Approximately 1 in 12 adult men, suffer from Protanomaly4 > or red/Green color blindness. Plus 1 in 200 women. > ? > I have the problem and some web sites I visit are practically : > invisible, as they use black, red and green extensively. > < > Driving a car you can adjust by noting the position of the > red/green/yellowF > lamps to each other. Wiring a computer backplane or other device andH > trying to pick the correct color coded wires is a bit of a hassle, but > you 	 > adjust.  > I > However a web site with a red/green color blindness bias is unreadable, E > with no adjustments available, so you click on by passing the site. A > Amazing to me that web designers use red/green anywhere as they  > eliminate a lot of viewers.  >   G In my browser (Oregano 1 on RISC OS) I just deselect the menu item "use  document colours".   --  ! Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire & alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.050 ************************