0 INFO-VAX	Thu, 26 Jan 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 52      Contents:' Re: Acquiring OpenVMS/VAX Install Media , Re: Here it is: OpenVMS/Alpha on a simulator, Re: Here it is: OpenVMS/Alpha on a simulator, Re: Here it is: OpenVMS/Alpha on a simulator: Re: HP, Intel becoming laughing stock of computer industry: Re: HP, Intel becoming laughing stock of computer industry: Re: HP, Intel becoming laughing stock of computer industry: Re: HP, Intel becoming laughing stock of computer industry: Re: HP, Intel becoming laughing stock of computer industry: Re: HP, Intel becoming laughing stock of computer industry! Re: HSJ50 hardware documentation?  openvms.org problem  Re: openvms.org problem  Re: openvms.org problem ( Re: problems with a new vms installation= Re: Sixty (six-zero) VMS engineers *with* security clearance? + Re: Telnet over WAN latency troubleshooting 3 Re: The processor wars Part 1, "The death of Alpha" 3 Re: The processor wars Part 1, "The death of Alpha" * Re: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page* Re: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page* Re: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page* Re: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page* Re: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page* Re: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page XFC v. WSQUO & WSEXTENT  Re: XFC v. WSQUO & WSEXTENT  Re: XFC v. WSQUO & WSEXTENT / [OT ]Re: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:17:44 +0000 * From: Gary Parker <g.j.parker@lboro.ac.uk>0 Subject: Re: Acquiring OpenVMS/VAX Install Media8 Message-ID: <pan.2006.01.26.16.17.43.861431@lboro.ac.uk>  6 On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:19:33 +0000, Gary Parker wrote:J > Yeah...there's a VAXstation 4k/60 on there that's at a sensible price atK > the moment and there's an old Alpha of some sort in a cupboard downstairs J > that I'm trying to persuade my boss to part with. This kit's going to beL > living in the machine room at work once I get something sorted as the GF'sL > unhappy enough as it is with the SPARCstation 20 humming away to itself inH > the spare room. Unfortunately my appetite for exotic computing doesn'tH > stretch to a budget for air conditioning and sound proofing at home :)  H Well....I was just about to put in a bid on that 4000/60 on eBay, as theB auction's finishing tonight, when completely out of the blue I wasH chatting to a guy I used to work with years ago who mentioned that thereJ was a VAX and an Alpha sat in a storeroom at the place I used to work with) him at and I could have them if I wanted!   J He doesn't know exactly what models they are but I'm sure the Alpha is oneC of the DEC 3000 series, an upright model on wheels, and the VAX was B similarly a big square box on wheels. I've a feeling it's either aI microVAX or a VAXserver of some sort or other. I'll be getting my mits on 0 them next week and seeing exactly what I've got.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2006 01:07:51 -0800 From: "Arie" <arie@zeepost.nl>5 Subject: Re: Here it is: OpenVMS/Alpha on a simulator C Message-ID: <1138266471.862452.258780@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   F > My first thought is that the web page says it supports 96MB of AlphaI > memory and only 2 disks.  What can we really do in only 96MB?  The host < > platform requires 1GB and you only get 96MB for the guest? > " > Is this a temporary restriction? >  >    .../Ed    Ed,   E PersonalAlpha will always have 96 MB Alpha memory. For production you G will most probably need more, but for that we will provide VirtualAlpha G which runs full function and full performance on a 64-bit platform only G and with more memory. PersonalAlpha is a subset of the real product. It ) is basically meant for personal use only.   ; Indeed, hardware virtualization demands a lot of memory and D PersonalAlpha, even with 96 MB Alpha memory, actually uses more thanC 512 MB (the amount you would normally see on notebooks and personal F computers). PersonalAlpha will run on 512, but it will run better on 1E GB because there will be no page swapping. We just wanted to be quite B honest about the real requirements. We expect that the majority ofD PersonalAlpha users will have a 512 MB system and will be happy with PersonalAlpha running on that.  
 Best regards,    Arie   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Jan 2006 12:08:41 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)5 Subject: Re: Here it is: OpenVMS/Alpha on a simulator , Message-ID: <43rse9F1ojb6oU1@individual.net>  + In article <43D835A3.344C394C@comcast.net>, 5 	David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: 
 > Arie wrote:  >>   >> Alan, >>  D >> we included your two comments: the download has now a 5 day trial= >> period and we have included the Framework v2 notification.  >>  E >> Yes we do need FrameWork v2 so it has to be installed. It will not H >> overwrite your current version 1.1 so the applications that need that# >> version continue to run with 1.1  >  > Questions: > I > 1. Why should a CPU emulator need .NET framework? Does it secretly tell C > M$ how many people are still running the system from which NT and  > children are descended?  > H > 2. If it needs .NET framework, how will you go about porting it to theH > other platforms where Charon currently runs, not the least of which isD > OpenVMS? (Folks will want Charon-VAX *AND* AlphaEmulator to run on > OpenVMS-I64, you know.)  >   B Except that the market is much more likely to be those who are notD willing to move to that IA64 thing but want to remain on VMS.  ThoseD who are willing to move to an IA64 box that is running VMS will justD port their applications to native mode. (I know about certification,D but if they move to an Alpha emulator on IA64 they would have to re- certify as well.)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:34:32 +0100  From: S <soterroatyahoodotcom>5 Subject: Re: Here it is: OpenVMS/Alpha on a simulator & Message-ID: <43d8de6f$1@news1.ethz.ch>   Dave Froble wrote:H > You might want to consider a hobbyist license.  It won't make you any A > money, but it will get you exposure.  Just a thought.  I'm not  % > personally interested at this time.   B Well I'd say that PersonalAlpha is the 'hobbyist' version at 495$  apiece. Here's the text:  H "To help you decide about Alpha emulation we have created PersonalAlpha B that is proof that this concept works. PersonalAlpha is a special H VirtualAlpha version that runs on your standard 32 bit laptop or PC and < shows you Alpha virtualization at work. It provides limited I functionality and performance compared to its 64 bit family members, but  . it is not meant for production installations."   S    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2006 06:39:30 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com C Subject: Re: HP, Intel becoming laughing stock of computer industry C Message-ID: <1138286370.590929.253500@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    TONE IT DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  0 I am a dissatisfied customer who has every right* to voice my displeasure with my vendor ...3 they can either sit on their hands or do something!   & EITHER MAKE ITANIUM WORK OR BRING BACK% ALPHA OR PORT TO AMD JUNK OR SELL VMS  TO SOMEONE WHO WILL!  $ EMULATION IS NOT AN OPTION HP OR OUR MANAGEMENT HAS SWORN TO THROW $ EVERY HP LOGO PRODUCT (PRINTER) INTO
 THE DUMPSTER!    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2006 17:11:09 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)C Subject: Re: HP, Intel becoming laughing stock of computer industry , Message-ID: <43d902ad$1@news.langstoeger.at>  _ In article <1138286370.590929.253500@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes: % >EMULATION IS NOT AN OPTION HP OR OUR  >MANAGEMENT HAS SWORN TO THROW% >EVERY HP LOGO PRODUCT (PRINTER) INTO  >THE DUMPSTER!  K HP (just like Compaq and DEC) before do not care about such swears/threats. E And unfortunately they are often right (and customer = your mangement L still buys HP products/printers/cameras if they are the cheapest/best then).H And also as long as income decreases in the billions get no sanctions...  K We had such discussions ("they can't be that silly, this would be suicide") N more than once in the past. And the net effect is, you can't really influence.I Either they loose or they win. You won't win at all (you only get stomach  hurt). Live with it.   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:37:17 -0500 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>C Subject: Re: HP, Intel becoming laughing stock of computer industry , Message-ID: <43d8fabe$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   > EITHER MAKE ITANIUM WORK   What isn't working for you?    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2006 18:11:38 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)C Subject: Re: HP, Intel becoming laughing stock of computer industry , Message-ID: <43d910da$1@news.langstoeger.at>  Y In article <43d8fabe$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:  >> EITHER MAKE ITANIUM WORK  >  >What isn't working for you?  J Applications, because ISV don't port (or need years longer than promised),J (most likely) because platform is seen as dead end (and then VMS is dead).; "Work" means "get in scope of acceptable platforms (again)"   / Yup, here is the "burning the bridges" again...    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:38:26 -0500 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>C Subject: Re: HP, Intel becoming laughing stock of computer industry , Message-ID: <43d90913$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message & news:43d910da$1@news.langstoeger.at...6 > In article <43d8fabe$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "FredK"$ <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes: > >> EITHER MAKE ITANIUM WORK  > >  > >What isn't working for you? > L > Applications, because ISV don't port (or need years longer than promised),  K Many, many applications and middleware is there.  Other major ones are just  around the corner.  4 > (most likely) because platform is seen as dead end  K Outside of a very small corner of the world, this isn't a universal belief. K From a practical standpoint, Itanium is as likely to go away or be dead end  as HP is to shut down HP-UX.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:25:52 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>C Subject: Re: HP, Intel becoming laughing stock of computer industry ? Message-ID: <Qu8Cf.208493$vl2.104631@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    FredK wrote:  M > Outside of a very small corner of the world, this isn't a universal belief. M > From a practical standpoint, Itanium is as likely to go away or be dead end  > as HP is to shut down HP-UX.  A An HP-UX customer I am aware of had/has about one thousand HP-UX  I workstations and dozens of HP-UX servers. During recent upgrade planning  H HP initially advised the workstations be replaced with HP Opteron based I workstations running Linux and the back end database/file servers remain  F HP-UX with future Itanium upgrades. The vendor of the key application C has now terminated their HP-UX Itanium port (after all it required  G Itanium workstations) and although that CAD/CAM product doesn't run on  F the back end server, it has killed any prospect there might have been H for Itanium back-ends. As well as a Linux port  there is also a Windows G version. Ironically the company concerned evaluated the Windows client  G on Alpha several years ago and Compaq lost the potential of up to 1000  @ XP 1000 workstations (they blew away the HP-UX workstations) by < cancelling the Windows port then cancelling the chip itself.  I The company is now replacing all its HP-UX workstations and servers with  E Windows X64 desktops and servers. They have a lot of experience with  D Windows  servers so its not a case of they don't know what they are F doing and it won't all be done in one go. They also know it's the one I platform not likely to vanish from under them any time soon and they are  K happy they can make the solution work even if it wasn't their first choice.   I HP seems happy enough with the outcome as it still sells the desktop and  H server hardware (for the time being anyway...). I wonder how many times F this will repeat in the future with heavy users of HP-UX workstations.   --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2006 05:36:21 -0800 From: bill@wcschmidt.com* Subject: Re: HSJ50 hardware documentation?C Message-ID: <1138282581.383178.262760@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   G I have the following in PDF format, if you want a copy send your e-mail  address    DIGITAL StorageWorks HSJ50 Array Controller HSOF Version 5.1 Service Manual   Bill (bill@wcschmidt.com)    Ian King wrote: J > Good morning, all!  I'm taking a headlong plunge into a clustered world,I > with my recent purchase of a VAX 6660.  I also picked up an HSJ52 and a J > RAID controller; the VAX has a CI controller and, once I can find a starE > coupler, I want to hook it all up.  I'm having difficulty, however, F > finding hardware documentation on the HSJ50s, despite such wonderfulJ > resources as bitsavers.org (thanks, Al!).  Does anyone have a pointer toJ > an online resource?  Failing that, does anyone have the documentation inJ > hard copy that they would either be willing to part with or have copied?# >   I'd gladly reimburse for costs.  >  > Thanks in advance -- Ian >  > It's not junk, it's history!& > iking (@t) kill the wabbit (d.t) org   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:00:27 +0100 9 From: "Robert Trawinski" <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl>  Subject: openvms.org problem+ Message-ID: <drah5b$45s$1@bozon2.softax.pl>    Hi,   5 I clicked on openvms.org. Following message appeared:       Warning: Too many connections inC /usr/local/www/openvms.org/htdocs/include/common.inc.php on line 60   9 Warning: MySQL Connection Failed: Too many connections in C /usr/local/www/openvms.org/htdocs/include/common.inc.php on line 60 7 Unable to connect to database ovms_org. Be sure to edit  include/common.inc.php.      Robert   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2006 07:26:15 -0800/ From: "Dr Tim" <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>   Subject: Re: openvms.org problemC Message-ID: <1138289175.587359.113430@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Seems OK now, for me at least.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:11:31 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>  Subject: Re: openvms.org problem; Message-ID: <Tw6Cf.35908$iQ.23833@tornado.southeast.rr.com>     Fixed.  Had to reboot db server.  F Thanks to all who emailed to let me know.  All 20+ of you that is.  :)   Ken   % _____________________________________  Kenneth Farmer <>< 336-736-7376 3 www.OpenVMS.org | dba.OpenVMS.org | dcl.OpenVMS.org         E "Robert Trawinski" <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> wrote in message  % news:drah5b$45s$1@bozon2.softax.pl...  > Hi,  > 7 > I clicked on openvms.org. Following message appeared:  >  > " > Warning: Too many connections inE > /usr/local/www/openvms.org/htdocs/include/common.inc.php on line 60  > ; > Warning: MySQL Connection Failed: Too many connections in E > /usr/local/www/openvms.org/htdocs/include/common.inc.php on line 60 9 > Unable to connect to database ovms_org. Be sure to edit  > include/common.inc.php.  >  >  > Robert >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:45:25 GMT   From: michael.grunditz@telia.com1 Subject: Re: problems with a new vms installation 5 Message-ID: <Fv3Cf.154647$dP1.513105@newsc.telia.net>   7 Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote: W > In article <81xBf.154567$dP1.513061@newsc.telia.net>, <micken@micken.mine.nu> writes: 9 >>Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote: W >>> In article <VRvBf.43216$d5.199350@newsb.telia.net>, <micken@micken.mine.nu> writes:  >>>>However I can't start XDM. >>> B >>> 1) Did you configure (create the dir, enable the service) it ?3 >>>        This is done by running TCPIP$CONFIG.COM  >>/ >>When I choose XDM in TCPIP$CONFIG I get this: 9 >>Invalid configuration option selected, please try again  > ? > Which selection ? Does it tell "XDM" and "...no license..." ? G > Do you have the correct PAK (UCX, NET-APP-SUP-300, NET-APP-SUP-400) ? L > The client license (UCX-CLIENT, NET-APP-SUP-150) is not sufficient for XDM) > (and other server services/features)... P I have no license named  NET-APP-SUP-* but here is the output from tcpip$config:" 20 - XDM          Disabled Stopped   /Michael   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2006 08:49:49 -0800 From: comp.os.vms@hotmail.com F Subject: Re: Sixty (six-zero) VMS engineers *with* security clearance?C Message-ID: <1138294189.770283.266380@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   D So I guess no one knows whether the 60 were actually found, for whom and for what ?  	 Dr. Dweeb    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2006 09:16:01 -0800( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>4 Subject: Re: Telnet over WAN latency troubleshootingC Message-ID: <1138295761.267304.279930@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   @ Actually there is 'real' documentation.  It just doesn't includeF information on how to find out line quality information, at least fromF the telnet/menu interface.  I got info on getting to the CLI, and evenD found a usable CLI manual (a royal pain since its not reachable by a, link; you have to do just the right search).  C Unfortunately even the CLI manual doesn't provide any way to access A line quality information; only statistics.  I can see receive and 1 transmit errors, but no SNR or noise levels, etc.   C The web interface manual does list the info, but I can't get to the @ modem via a browser, at least at this time, since that access is@ restricted to traffic coming in over the LAN interface.  There'sF conflicting info about the availability of web interfaces depending onG model and firmware revisions; the 8.5 firmware guide has nothing to say F about a web interface, and the CLI guide only tells you how to turn it
 on or off.  E I tried Lynx from the Alpha at the central site and got a useless XML F dump. We do not allow the intersite tunnels to route beyond the remoteF LAN, and I don't get to change that even for testing, so I can't use aE browser from my own site.  Best I can do will be to see if I can walk C someone at the central site through connecting from a peecee, if it C works at all; the remotes don't have peecees or other usable hosts.   G Today I connected to each modem, generated a traceroute from that modem F to the LAN side of the modem at each remote site to ID the interveningE routers, then performed long ping tests, both short and long packets, D to each router in turn.  The ISP has two jumps between each location1 (so its modem - ISP router - ISP router - modem).   G Despite continued latency complaints from the users, I had fairly clean B runs.  Only one test, from the central site modem to its first hop? router, had 5% packet loss over 300 packets.  All preceding and A subsequent tests were clean or only 1 packet lost per 300 tested. C Remote modem to each router in turn heading to the central location D also ran clean or at most 1 packet lost out of 300.  But then LAN toB LAN tests also ran cleaner than normal today for some reason, even# though the latency did not go away.   A We're having a netguy look at some traces to see if he can id any F problems; I don't have time.  We're also seeing if we can get a peeceeD to a remote site to telnet to the system, bypassing the decserver on) the off chance there's a problem with it.    Such fun...    Rich   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:00:49 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> < Subject: Re: The processor wars Part 1, "The death of Alpha"= Message-ID: <43d89dc0$0$78287$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>    Ken Fairfield wrote: > Karsten Nyblad wrote:  >  >> JF Mezei wrote: >>L >>> The 8086, due to competition from AMD, morphed into a respectable 64 bitK >>> chip to such an extent that even Intel started to make 64 bit 8086s and F >>> agree to narrow IA64's remaining market niche to high end systems. >> >>I >> I have found no information stating that the Duo Core chip implements  G >> EMT64.  I might be wrong, but I think Apple has chosen a 32bit chip  I >> for their first generation of Intel chips.  I wonder why they did not  D >> buy AMD chips instead so that they could base their computers on $ >> 64-bit technology from the start. >  >  > [$ set mode/nostealth] > 9 > Let me just note that Apple have told Intel they're not 9 > interested in the server market, i.e., stuff that would : > need 64 bit capable cpus.  It's just not where they want > to go, at least at present.  > 8 > The big deal these days is low-power/high performance,> > which is where Intel is going in our development (especially= > important for laptops, which is where all the market growth  > is). > @ > Oh, and while I generally abhor marketing and marketing terms,> > e.g., "OpenVMS", that would be "Core Duo"...probably (tm)... > not the reverse. > D > And now I'll just step into the background and out of sight... :-) >  > [$ set mode/stealth] > 
 >     -Ken  C Well it is no secret that servers are not that important to Apple.  G However, people want more and more memory on their personal computers.  G It seems like PCs are sold with 1GB of memory these days, and assuming  G that that will double every couple of years, PCs will be sold with 4GB  A before the end of the decade.  Do you think, people will find it  E acceptable to be restricted to less than 4GB of virtual memory, when  ! they have 4GB of physical memory?   L Dell is selling workstations with Windows 64-bit edition and 16GB of memory.  E Microsoft is coming with a 3D interface to Windows.  I doubt it will  G make people more productive than the current interface, but it will be  I eye catching and software producers will start to produce software, that  E requires it.  At least that is what habend when colour monitors were  G new.  You do not become that more productive because you have a colour  I monitor, but the software producers chosed to make interfaces that could  F only be used with colour monitors, and people were forced to buy them.  D Apple will have to make a user interface that is as eye catching as D Microsoft, and such a user interface will require lots of resources.  I People will get faster and faster network links, partly because video on  G demand is on the way to become a consumer product.  Those faster links  F will make it tempting to put HDTV on homepages, but that HDTV must be B edited.  I would not want to do fancy video editing on a computer & restricted to less than 4GB of memory.  G Apple will need to go to 64bit addresses on the desktop in a few years.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:03:34 -0600 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>< Subject: Re: The processor wars Part 1, "The death of Alpha"D Message-ID: <craigberry-B768E9.10033426012006@news.isp.giganews.com>  = In article <43d89dc0$0$78287$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>, -  Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote:     F > Apple will have to make a user interface that is as eye catching as F > Microsoft, and such a user interface will require lots of resources.  E 3D or not, the prospect that Microsoft would be a leader and Apple a  7 follower in terms of interface eye appeal is laughable.   I > Apple will need to go to 64bit addresses on the desktop in a few years.   B They have already done so.  Currently you have to run your 64-bit C rendering engine or whatever as a service as the GUI libraries are  G still 32-bit, but I think the applications that would benefit the most  @ already do the heavy lifting in a separate process anyway.  See:  , http://developer.apple.com/macosx/64bit.html  I http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Conceptual/64bitPorting/i 	 ndex.html   H At the moment this is G5-only, but given the fact that Darwin's cousins > in the BSD world already support x86-64, it seems it would be < relatively minor to provide the same level of support there.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:29:38 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> 3 Subject: Re: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page = Message-ID: <43d87a51$0$78284$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>    Stefaan A Eeckels wrote: >  The schooling theseI > "artists" have received concentrates on these effects, not on effective I > communications. As it happens, I must have been ranked with sputum by a I > young, fresh-out-of-school Web page designer whom I told that I want my J > web pages to look like, well, eh, pages out of a book, and that I wasn'tI > interested in an animated, colorized Flash version of my logo. The look F > of total bewilderment in his eyes was priceless, and more than worth7 > the 15 minutes I spent listening to his presentation.  > G Tell them to check out this page: http://www.useit.com/, and tell them  G that you like it, because it might not be beautiful, but it is easy to   understand.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2006 10:08:41 +0100K From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40) 3 Subject: Re: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ! Message-ID: <HBvIHcetyx+j@sinead>   \ In article <43D7F2F1.6B264DAE@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > H > If you work in a dark environment (think air traffic controllers in anJ > underground windowless envrionment), then things are guite different and% > the dark background becomes better.  >   L Now air traffic controllers (at least in EU) use high definition color CRTs C or LCDs (2000x2000 28") under X11R6, and the background is no more  M black (but some light blue-gray). We plan to use some 30" wide screen LCDs in  the future.    Patrick  --O =============================================================================== N pmoreau@ath.cena.fr              ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)4 DSNA/DTI/SDER (ex CENA)         / /   /     / /|  /|J Athis-Mons France              / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/              http://membres.lycos.fr/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:45:22 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 3 Subject: Re: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page , Message-ID: <43D8A80D.A7CECDA1@teksavvy.com>  8 "Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40" wrote:M > Now air traffic controllers (at least in EU) use high definition color CRTs D > or LCDs (2000x2000 28") under X11R6, and the background is no moreO > black (but some light blue-gray). We plan to use some 30" wide screen LCDs in 
 > the future.   ( What sort of room lighting is present ?   E In most movies, they depict air traffic controllers working in a dark H room. I saw a documentary on the Gander trans-atlantic centre and it wasH a lighted environment. (and at the time they still had some VT terminals	 around !)     G Has there been any though of using touch screen LCDs so that they could 5 litterally drag a flight from one area to the other ?    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2006 13:07:05 +0100K From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40) 3 Subject: Re: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page ! Message-ID: <8xmprnw35iYA@sinead>   \ In article <43D8A80D.A7CECDA1@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:: > "Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40" wrote:N >> Now air traffic controllers (at least in EU) use high definition color CRTsE >> or LCDs (2000x2000 28") under X11R6, and the background is no more P >> black (but some light blue-gray). We plan to use some 30" wide screen LCDs in >> the future. > * > What sort of room lighting is present ?  > G > In most movies, they depict air traffic controllers working in a dark J > room. I saw a documentary on the Gander trans-atlantic centre and it wasJ > a lighted environment. (and at the time they still had some VT terminals > around !)   N The environment is rather low light but not as low as in the time of old radarH scopes, and some ATC centers have a mix of natural and articifial light.   I > Has there been any though of using touch screen LCDs so that they could 7 > litterally drag a flight from one area to the other ?   G We are experimenting touch screens to replace paper strips (flight plan D informations printed by thermical printers). Resistive surface ones H (to be able to drag 'n drop and to write on the virtual strips). We also. actually test various Wacom devices (Cintiq).   K On the main screen they have a mouse (and also a mini keyboard mainly used   for maintenance purposes).   Patrick  --O =============================================================================== N pmoreau@ath.cena.fr              ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)4 DSNA/DTI/SDER (ex CENA)         / /   /     / /|  /|J Athis-Mons France              / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/              http://membres.lycos.fr/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:07:32 +0100  From: S <soterroatyahoodotcom>3 Subject: Re: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page & Message-ID: <43d8d81b$1@news1.ethz.ch>   bob.birch@gmail.com wrote:7 > How about Firefox ? Any similar selection available ?  >   K Tools-> Options-> General-> Fonts&Colours-> Always use my fonts and colours 8 should do the job. Or select there 'Use system colours'.   S    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2006 08:12:46 -0800 From: bob.birch@gmail.com 3 Subject: Re: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page C Message-ID: <1138291966.235177.172700@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    S wrote: > bob.birch@gmail.com wrote:9 > > How about Firefox ? Any similar selection available ?  > >  > M > Tools-> Options-> General-> Fonts&Colours-> Always use my fonts and colours : > should do the job. Or select there 'Use system colours'. >  > S   7 Great thx.....USoft MSDN site has a good article titled % "Can Color-Blind Users See Your Site? 6 plus here's a couple links to  test your color vision:  3 http://www.toledo-bend.com/colorblind/Ishihara.html    http://colorvisiontesting.com/  ; http://www.tedmontgomery.com/the_eye/colortst/colortst.html   5 Perhaps David J's purple vision bias is trichromasy ?  The test mite indicate this.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2006 01:15:20 -0800 From: comp.os.vms@hotmail.com   Subject: XFC v. WSQUO & WSEXTENTB Message-ID: <1138266920.716489.62720@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  & Does anyone know who wins this battle?  ( PQL_MWSEXTENT set very large by autogen.E PQL_MWSQUO is at a reasonable level, but often exceeded by processes.   F Basically, if processes ask for memory, and all the spare is allocatedE to XFC, I believe that XFC will give the memory to the process, until $ the XFC hits the VCC$MIN_CACHE_SIZE.  F What happens after that, when XFC hits the lower level, and a there isF no free memory and there are no other processes to trim.  Will the XFC2 memory get paged, the processes, all of the above.  E Obviously, I really want to pin a minimum amount of XFC in memory and 5 let the OS and user processes fight for what is left.   
 Dr. Dweeb.  E ps: I do not have more memory slots, so its back to the good old days % of actually managing the resource :-(    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:39:21 -0500  From: "Jilly" <Jilly@hp.com>$ Subject: Re: XFC v. WSQUO & WSEXTENT, Message-ID: <43d8d110$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  + <comp.os.vms@hotmail.com> wrote in message  < news:1138266920.716489.62720@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...( > Does anyone know who wins this battle? > * > PQL_MWSEXTENT set very large by autogen.G > PQL_MWSQUO is at a reasonable level, but often exceeded by processes.  > H > Basically, if processes ask for memory, and all the spare is allocatedG > to XFC, I believe that XFC will give the memory to the process, until & > the XFC hits the VCC$MIN_CACHE_SIZE. > H > What happens after that, when XFC hits the lower level, and a there isH > no free memory and there are no other processes to trim.  Will the XFC4 > memory get paged, the processes, all of the above. > G > Obviously, I really want to pin a minimum amount of XFC in memory and 7 > let the OS and user processes fight for what is left.  >  > Dr. Dweeb. > G > ps: I do not have more memory slots, so its back to the good old days ' > of actually managing the resource :-(  >   I If all the mid level efforts to return memory to the free list, trimmer,  L troller, XFC trimming, etc., do not return enough memory then VMS goes down F to it's basic level of dumping the modified list completely, bringing - processes back to WSQUOTA, hard swapping etc.    Jilly    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2006 08:13:10 -0800 From: comp.os.vms@hotmail.com $ Subject: Re: XFC v. WSQUO & WSEXTENTA Message-ID: <1138291990.445607.3210@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   E Assume all processes are somewhere between WSQUO and WSMAX and one of 6 them wants more memory, then XFC will trim away to the3 VCC$MIN_CACHE_SIZE before processes trim to WSQUO ?    Dweeb    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:55:28 -0500  From: norm.raphael@metso.com8 Subject: [OT ]Re: Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home PageQ Message-ID: <OF9FBC8FE8.CDF0AF8D-ON85257102.005CE769-85257102.005CF80F@metso.com>   4 bob.birch@gmail.com wrote on 01/26/2006 11:12:46 AM:  
 > S wrote: > > bob.birch@gmail.com wrote:; > > > How about Firefox ? Any similar selection available ?  > > >  > > G > > Tools-> Options-> General-> Fonts&Colours-> Always use my fonts and  colours < > > should do the job. Or select there 'Use system colours'. > >  > > S  > 9 > Great thx.....USoft MSDN site has a good article titled ' > "Can Color-Blind Users See Your Site? 8 > plus here's a couple links to  test your color vision: > 5 > http://www.toledo-bend.com/colorblind/Ishihara.html  >   > http://colorvisiontesting.com/ > = > http://www.tedmontgomery.com/the_eye/colortst/colortst.html  > 7 > Perhaps David J's purple vision bias is trichromasy ?  > The test mite indicate this. >    A new bug:  The "test mite"  ;)    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.052 ************************