0 INFO-VAX	Mon, 30 Jan 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 60      Contents: Re: 11/780 peripherals% 600au & OpenVMS 7.3-1 keyboard lockup  Re: Burining dvd's & cd's  Re: Cluster timeouts question  Re: Cluster timeouts question  Re: Cluster timeouts question  Re: Cluster timeouts question  Re: Cluster timeouts question  Re: Cluster timeouts question  Re: Connectivity problem?  Re: FOR070.DAT files appearing Re: FOR070.DAT files appearing: Re: HP, Intel becoming laughing stock of computer industry Re: IA64: Montecito info Re: IA64: Montecito info& Re: Intel/Hp spend $10 billion on IA64& Re: Intel/Hp spend $10 billion on IA64& Re: Intel/Hp spend $10 billion on IA64 Re: Open VMS programing in C Re: Open VMS programing in C Re: Open VMS programing in C6 p2c (dave gillespie's pas to c converter) & VMS pascal: Re: p2c (dave gillespie's pas to c converter) & VMS pascal Re: SimH V3.5-2 released Re: Splitting serial cables ?  Re: Splitting serial cables ?  Re: Splitting serial cables ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:50:33 -0600 . From: Bob Blunt <RobertDOTblunt@digitalDOTcom> Subject: Re: 11/780 peripherals 0 Message-ID: <9qadne3RtfSw3kPeRVn-tw@comcast.com>   Rich Alderson wrote:O > Is the TE16 the only tape drive from which VMS can be installed onto a 780 or  > 785? >   C It DEPENDS!  Do you know what your 11/780's configuration is?  The  B system itself is SMI-based, but into the SMI you can have Unibus, E Massbus or special SMI-based interfaces from STC or Intergraph.  The  I Unibus is (IMHO) probably the easiest and most flexible because you have  F DEC adapters (including a TK50 interface) and MANY 3rd party adapters G that connect to a WIDE variety of tape drives that each have their own  I "standard" interface.  There were probably even SCSI-1 interfaces to the  ! Unibus that only some got to use.   ? So, depending on what I/O subsystems you have AND any specific  ? interfaces that are installed into those busses, that'll start  - determining what type tapedrives you can use.   F I'm not sure if booting from Infoserver was an option for the 11/780, < it's been a long time (1995) since I last had one to manage.  F If your 780 doesn't have a bootable version of (Open)VMS, the biggest I challenge will be getting something that boots Standalone BACKUP, either  G the S/A floppies or something else.  Again, depending on configuration  G of your system, you may be limited by the boot command files that have  1 been configured and loaded to your boot floppy...   D To directly answer your question:  No.  There are a WIDE variety of H tapedrives that can be used for installation of VMS on a 11/78x system. G   TE16, TU77, TU78, TU79, STK, Kennedy, Cipher.  If your configuration  I supports either a DEC interface card that connects to a DEC tapedrive or  D a 3rd party card that emulates a DEC interface and talks the "right H stuff" to a 3rd party tapedrive then building a bootable (Open)VMS disk  can occur from that tapedrive.   bob    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:27:54 -0000 3 From: "Alan Hourihane" <alan_hourihane@hotmail.com> . Subject: 600au & OpenVMS 7.3-1 keyboard lockup4 Message-ID: <drkpn8$cjc$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>  = I've just installed OpenVMS 7.3-1 on my 600au and the license A registration went fine, but then I reboot into X and the keyboard / no longer functions and the mouse doesn't move.   0 Any ideas anyone on what the problem could be ??   Thanks,    Alan.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:09:16 +0100 ? From: "Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann" <vaxinf@chemie.uni-konstanz.de> " Subject: Re: Burining dvd's & cd's0 Message-ID: <00bf01c62595$ff7c9f70$05072286@vg2>   Hi,   J Why are you wasting your time and transfer a huge amount of data to a PC?!B It is possible to burn 8 GB with your Plextor drive under OpenVMS.  L HP sells a nice drive DVD840i that should fulfill your needs. I recommend it heartly.  ; If you want to use all media with one program buy DVDwrite.    Hope this helps  Eberhard ----- Original Message -----  # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com> ( Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 4:47 AM Subject: Burining dvd's & cd's    8 > On my lan where my cluster lives I have a W2k box with@ > an Hitachi Gd-7500 CD/DVD player and a Plextor 716A with Roxio7 > software.  Also on one of the nodes VMS7.3-2 there is C > device type SONY  CD-RW  CRX185E1, hopefully to be augmented with ) > DVD RW drive  (recommendations welcome)  > A > I would like to use these devices for backups, and other things E > The plextor with its 4.7GB capacity is clearly the most attractive.  > I > As an experiment, I tried simply burning a file onto TDK 4x DVD+R media I > from the Plextor  and reading it form the Hitachi drive on same system. C > When burning I  was prompted for the format and used UDF 1.2 and   > ISO/JolietI > as this was  recommended for the ability to read on other systems.  But J > could not read it on the Hitachi drive on same box, although plextor hadA > no problems.  Both drives are functional and otherwise working.  > G > I know W2K puts it a bit off topic but the objective is ultimately to J > record VMS backups on DVD and for me this is part of the bootstrap as I  > was J > planning to put a similar, VMS compatible drive into one of the cluster  > nodes. > * > So, anybody fought this battle, and won? >  > Tom    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:26:09 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: Cluster timeouts question, Message-ID: <43DDDBA5.C4011CCE@teksavvy.com>   Richard Brodie wrote: L > > Also, which parameter determines how long a node can be without ethernetN > > heartbeats from other nodes before declaring itself alone in the cluster ? >  > RECNXINTERVAL, mostly.     Mine is set to 20 seconds.  F While changing ethernet cables, a "lost connection" message was issuedE within about 6 seconds. But I did reconnect within 20 seconds and the . node didn't crash as it regained connectivity.  # A DECNET session did drop though...    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2006 04:43:41 -0800# From: "H Vlems" <hvlems@freenet.de> & Subject: Re: Cluster timeouts questionC Message-ID: <1138625021.942899.109270@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   E If you have a 2 node SCSI cluster, pulling one ethernet cable crashes E the other node. The ethernet port is required to pass SCS information G which does not travel over the SCSI bus. SCSI only handles disk or tape D data transfers. This is where SCSI differs from DSSI and CI, becauseD the latter two allow cluster members to coexist in a cluster without network support.E Loosing the NI port in a SCSI cluster means disk corruption. The only < way to avoid that is to crash the other unsuspecting system.E What that means for DSSI: check the value for INTERCONNECT. In a pure ' DSSI or CI cluster the value may be CI. F I understand that this doesn't help you much if you inisist on running a mixed interconnect cluster.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:09:26 +0000 ! From: Baldrick <none@[127.0.0.1]> & Subject: Re: Cluster timeouts question' Message-ID: <drl35u$3rs$1@lore.csc.com>    etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: / > Baldrick (a.k.a. Mr. Car Park Charges) wrote:  > H >>Your last sentence suggests it. When DSSI is connected between systemsJ >>then SCS can pass and by default does. Situations where DSSI is involvedG >>and SCS does not pass is generally where they are not connected, i.e. , >>one "private" DSSI bus per cluster member.   > H > Unusually Nic, that's wrong.  check page 4-18 of VAXCluster PrinciplesH > (""The KFQSA provides an interface between a Q-bus and a DSSI bus, andH > supports only VMS-to-device communication.") or page 4-11 (as at v7.1)G > of "Guidelines for OpenVMS Cluster Configurations" ("The KFQSA cannot ? > be used for node-to-node cluster comunication.  An additional D > interconnect must be configured between systems that use KFQSA for > access to shared storage.")  ...  > Steve   H I haven't come across the QBUS DSSI controllers, I've used the embedded = VAX and the Alpha (EISA and PCI), but I wasn't aware of this  ? restriction, I'll always maintain I have things to learn. This  H controller is another special case, I would imagine it is of the era of F the 3400 to 3900 VAX series, and designed for those systems, to allow I storage interoperability between their later cousins, while allowing the  , (storage) interface to gain some popularity.   --  E Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. Car Park Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:38:02 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) & Subject: Re: Cluster timeouts question( Message-ID: <drl8ca$251$2@pcls4.std.com>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:   I >Are there cases where a node will truly voluntarily crash due to cluster 	 >issues ?   H As per my other note, yes it will, if it determines the best cluster is  one without it.   E >BTW, when a node joins a cluster, it specifically says it has sent a F >membership request to node X.  What determines to whom the membership; >request is sent ?   Is it the oldest node in the cluster ?   @ I used to know but forgot.  It's something like the one with the lowest SCSSYSTEMID.    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2006 09:52:32 -0800 From: sean@obanion.us & Subject: Re: Cluster timeouts questionC Message-ID: <1138643552.885562.257580@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   E In general, yes, the oldest, but for the gory details, see Roy Davis' G book VAXCluster Principals (I don't think this part of the cluster code  has changed...).  E If all the software versions are the same, then the new node "chooses @ from among [the existing nodes] the one corresponding to the CSBE closest to the end of the queue of CSBs attached to the CLUB."  Where F CSB is the Cluster System Block which contains various cluster relatedD information and state about each node, and CLUB is the Cluster BlockD which points to a queue of all the CSBs in a cluster and holds other? cluster information used during cluster transitions.  Each node  maintains a CLUB.      Sean   Michael Moroney wrote:1 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  > K > >Are there cases where a node will truly voluntarily crash due to cluster  > >issues ?  > I > As per my other note, yes it will, if it determines the best cluster is  > one without it.  > G > >BTW, when a node joins a cluster, it specifically says it has sent a H > >membership request to node X.  What determines to whom the membership= > >request is sent ?   Is it the oldest node in the cluster ?  > B > I used to know but forgot.  It's something like the one with the > lowest SCSSYSTEMID.    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:37:40 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)& Subject: Re: Cluster timeouts question$ Message-ID: <drlmdk$7ph$1@online.de>  5 In article <43DDDBA5.C4011CCE@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ' <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:     > Richard Brodie wrote: N > > > Also, which parameter determines how long a node can be without ethernetP > > > heartbeats from other nodes before declaring itself alone in the cluster ? > >  > > RECNXINTERVAL, mostly. >  > Mine is set to 20 seconds. > H > While changing ethernet cables, a "lost connection" message was issuedG > within about 6 seconds. But I did reconnect within 20 seconds and the 0 > node didn't crash as it regained connectivity.  E VMS is robust.  I remember when I accidentally pulled the SCSI cable  G from the box housing the system disk of a VAX.  Apart from a couple of  2 mount-verification messages, nothing bad happened.  H A couple of days later at work, while rearranging cables under my desk, C I accidentally pulled the mouse cable from a Windows PC.  I had to   reboot it.  :-|    ------------------------------   Date: 30 Jan 2006 12:07:20 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)" Subject: Re: Connectivity problem?* Message-ID: <446droFj90rU2@individual.net>  ( In article <ops36b8nrnzgicya@hyrrokkin>,& 	"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:G > I rebooted a 7.3-2 node and when I tried to connect to it using PuTTY : > SSH I got "server unexpectedly closed server connection" > F > But from the attached kybd I can login directly; however when I tred > $ SET HOST node ? > %SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachable  > K >  From the attached kybd if I do a SET HOST whatever  It gives the message  > %SYSTEM-F-DEVNOTMOUNT  >  > So what might have happened?  G Sounds like your networking didn't come back  up on reboot.  Looks like  time to read the logs.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:31:16 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> ' Subject: Re: FOR070.DAT files appearing = Message-ID: <43db2bd4$0$67258$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>   
 Eccles wrote: E > On a different VMS topic, can anyone let me know where I can get a   > *cheap* alpha box in the UK ?   , Search for Alpha in computing on Ebay, e.g.,  y http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Compaq-XP1000-Professional-Alpha-Workstation_W0QQitemZ5859599415QQcategoryZ1486QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2006 09:34:26 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org' Subject: Re: FOR070.DAT files appearing 3 Message-ID: <qwsulMAPWylP@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <C000196B.1AECF%roktsci@comcast.net>, Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net> writes:   > On 1/27/06 9:28 AM, in articleE > Pine.LNX.4.61.0601271020200.6452@localhost.localdomain, "Rob Brown"  > <mylastname@gmcl.com> wrote: > + >> On Fri, 27 Jan 2006, Jeff Cameron wrote:  >>  " >>> On 1/26/06 1:38 PM, in articleH >>> 7IOdnQ_Gm8z63ETeRVnyrA@brightview.com, "Eccles" <nospam@home> wrote: >>> E >>>> I've tried to see who the file creator is but the file ownership 1 >>>> takes the default ownership of the directory  >>> H >>> This particular aspect of your problem indicates that the creator ofG >>> the file (or the image if it is installed as a global section) used E >>> a privilege (probably BYPASS) to create the file in the directory = >>> that it normally would not be allowed to do so because of  >>> protections/rights.  >>  F >> I think that file ownership following directory ownership is normalE >> behaviour if you have permission to write to the directory without  >> extra privileges. >  > Incorrect! > J > If you are USERA (privileged or not), and you have normal permissions toJ > create a file in a directory owned by USERB, the file you create will be > owned by you, USERA. > M > However if you (USERA) do not have normal Rights or Access to create a file K > in USERB's directory, but you have the system privilege to do so, such as L > BYPASS, or any other privilege that allows you to do so, then the owner of1 > the file is the parent of the directory, USERB.   	 Incorrect   A If you (USERA) have rights to create a file in USERB's directory, H _regardless of whether those rights arise from the UIC-based protection,A from an ACL or from the use of privilege_ and if you further have A "ownership" rights to the owner UIC (or rights identifier) of the F parent directory then the owner of the file is the owner of the parent
 directory.  - This assumes that no previous version exists.   B File ownership defaults first to the owner of the previous version> (rights permitting) then falls back to the owner of the parentA directory (rights permitting) and finally falls back to ownership + by the creator (rights always permit this).   9 "Ownership rights" to create a file owned by owner U are:   > If U is a rights identifier and the creator holds identifier U> with the resource attribute then ownership rights are present.  F If U is a UIC in group G and if the creator has GRPPRV and is in group$ G then ownership rights are present.  A If U is a UIC and the creator has UIC U then ownership rights are  present.  C If the creator holds BYPASS, SYSPRV or has a UIC group less than or J equal to the MAXSYSGRP SYSGEN parameter then ownership rights are present.  6 Otherwise, the creator does not have ownership rights.  K > This is very easy to test, and documented in the guide to system security  > at:  > N > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/aa-q2hlg-te/00/00/78-con.html#filescr& > eatingdependencyondirectoryownership  H Indeed.  It is easy to test.  I just tested it.  It works as documented.2 The documentation does not match your description.  C In particular, the trigger for ownership by the parent directory is G NOT the _absence_ of UIC-based rights to create files in the directory.    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:30:52 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukC Subject: Re: HP, Intel becoming laughing stock of computer industry ) Message-ID: <drl0ts$2q0$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   r In article <1138548360.018354.309660@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "rcyoung" <rcyoung@aliconsultants.com> writes:G >Well all I know if we have  an entry level I64 running OpenVMS 8.2 and D >used for development purposes, and it runs circles around the otherD >development systems ( a Vax 4000 and a dual processor Alpha 2100A).H >Based on that, they needed to retire the Alphas and come up with a moreD >modern design...whether they did it correctly by "rolling their ownF >unique processor design" is the BIG question...the answer to which is. >starting to look all too obvious I am afraid. > F >A pity since the Itanium does seem to be a real speedy little box.... >   I I'd hope just about any new system would run rings around a Vax 4000 and  L Alpha 2100A. The Vax 4000 dates back to something like 1991 whilst the AlphaN 2100A came out around 1995 (you might have later versions with faster CPUs so K possibly your's might be a couple of years later but still they are pretty   ancient systems).   L If a new Itanium is only just faster than a dual processor Alpha 2100A then = the performance of IA64 is even worse than I'd ever imagined. I (as I recall the followon to the 2100A as a midrange system was the 4100  E which was then followed by the ES40 which was then superseded by the   ES45, ES47 and ES80).     
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:45:41 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) ! Subject: Re: IA64: Montecito info L Message-ID: <rdeininger-3001060746110001@user-uinj462.dialup.mindspring.com>  5 In article <43DD92BC.6A0DA374@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei % <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:      >------------------  > I >Question: Since that IA64 is finally going dual core, will VMS licencing  >get any changes ?    5 Each core will count as a CPU for licensing purposes.      > H >From an OS point of view, I take it they will need to wait for the nextE >release of VMS to support this new chip ? Or is the chip coing to be F >functionally identical to existing IA64 things and support 8.2 out of9 >the box and appear like a machine with 2 separate CPUs ?   J Dual-core is pretty uninteresting from an OS point of view.  It just looksJ like an extra CPU.  VMS doesn't much care.  Some other Monte features haveI a bigger impact.  V8.2 and V8.2-1 will run on Montecito CPUs.  V8.2 might  not run well, or easily.  J No new hardware is likely to be supported on V8.2.  V8.2 will likely startJ the end-of-support rampdown soon after V8.3 is released.  V8.2 will not beE a "landing zone" release for long term support.  There's little or no J reason to remain on V8.2.  V8.2-1 is better, and V8.3 will be much better.  I V8.2-1 is getting support for some new adapters.  On a previous Montecito J timetable, support was planned for VMS V8.2-1.  But the way schedules lookI now, V8.3 will ship soon after Montecito; qualifying V8.2-1 on Monte is a H lot of extra work for very little benefit.  So V8.2-1 will likely "work"F on Montecito (with some Monte features not available), but it probably won't be supported.   I V8.3 will support all the current VMS I64 systems, plus the subset of the H current systems that get upgraded with Monte, plus a few families of new> systems with Monte which will be shipping over the year or so.  < V8.3 Alpha will likely release at the same time as V8.3 I64.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:02:10 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ! Subject: Re: IA64: Montecito info / Message-ID: <-uqdnXKgNO3pyUPeRVn-tw@libcom.com>    bob@instantwhip.com wrote:< > what about companies that need 1P?  We do not want to have= > to pay for two cpu licenses when we only need one for small > > workgroups ... were is the 1P line of cheap 2K boxes we were > promised?  >   A Hard to believe there is anyone who still believes Compaq's lies.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:44:26 -0500 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>/ Subject: Re: Intel/Hp spend $10 billion on IA64 * Message-ID: <43de183b@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  ? "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:43DC2FC3.229FBBEB@comcast.net...  > FredK wrote: > > 9 > > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message * > > news:43upnbF1pm66dU1@individual.net... > > 7 > > >  One thing has to be kept in sight, while the way F > > > things sit right now the failure of Itanium means the failure of/ > > > VMS, the inverse is not necessarily true.  > > J > > With this, I agree.  So if you want to ensure the failure of VMS, root for  > > the failure of Itanium.  > E > That's probably about as close as we can expect to come as far as a I > statement regarding VMS's fate if HP can't sell I64 to the industry. If ? > "the world" goes x86-64, VMS goes bye-bye, according to Fred.  >   J That isn't what I said, or what I meant.  Itainium needs to continue to atH minimum be the replacement for PA-RISC for HP.  Beyond that from the VMSE standpoint is just gravy for Intel.  The costs and length of time for G OpenVMS to be ported to another architecture would not be a good thing. J Simply running on x86-64 isn't a magic bullet that people seem to believe.K Nor is their a snowballs chance that Alpha architectural work would ever be  resumed.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:47:26 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> / Subject: Re: Intel/Hp spend $10 billion on IA64 = Message-ID: <43db2f9e$0$67264$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>    Bill Todd wrote:K > The statement "Itanium has been taking share from both IBM power and Sun  E > Sparc" is especially ludicrous, given that HP-UX market share (the  D > dominant component of total Itanic sales, and by far the dominant G > component of any Itanic sales that compete with POWER and SPARC) has  D > been essentially flat (AIX's increased share accounts for SPARC's J > decrease, though even there no *dramatic* shifts have occurred over the  > past two years).  C Well Intel has made some nice graphs showing that Itanic does take  E market share from Power and Sparc and got The Inquirer to post them.  F But isn't that what you would expect  since Itanic is to substitute a F number of other architectures these years?  The interesting number is @ how is the market share of Itanic+Alpha+Mips+Pa-risc+etc. going.  K > Pretty much what to expect from PR whores, of course.  Too bad it wasn't  B > examined a bit more critically before being presented as 'news'.   True   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:57:25 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>/ Subject: Re: Intel/Hp spend $10 billion on IA64 = Message-ID: <S7mdnRmfaZT6qkPeRVn-ug@metrocastcablevision.com>    FredK wrote:   ...   #    The costs and length of time for I > OpenVMS to be ported to another architecture would not be a good thing.   H Well, it's already evident that the cost and length of time to port VMS I to Itanic was not a good thing.  But the cost and length of time to port  ; it to an architecture with better prospects still might be.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:53:22 +1100 $ From: Phaeton <phaeton@iinet.net.au>% Subject: Re: Open VMS programing in C J Message-ID: <43ddb7e1$0$32626$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>   Ken Robinson wrote: 0 >  ... I currently use EVE on VMS. Have you everF > tried using EDT on a screen that 200 columns by 48 lines? It doesn't > work too well.  < 	I don't know about the columns, but EDT can handle up to 48= 	lines for quite a few years now. ( I used to set my VT420 to ; 	36 lines or such, and even lodged an SPR to Digital to fix < 	EDT so an editing session should honour the terminal's line, 	setting; and this was about 15 years ago. )  @ > I've gotten used to using the keys on the PC keyboard. In mostB > emulators (except KEA), shift F6 is the "DO" key, the "Delete" &H > "Insert" key do the "Cut" & Paste", the "End" key toggles the "Select"@ > mode, "Home" is "Find" and "Page Up" & Page Down" are correct.  = 	Best thing is to use an LK4** keyboard, even on PC-s, like I @ 	do :-)  I don't think I will ever use a PC keyboard/layout if I> 	can help it...  ( And there is an USB-based LK4** as well, as7 	Mr. VAXman was kind enough to hunt it down for us... )   B > It's been so long since I really used EDT that if I inadvertanlyE > invoke it I need to quit immediately. (except in line mode, where I  > can still function!).   B 	That's a shame, really. EDT is a nice editor, very capable, IMHO.4 	But let's not start up again the editor wars... :-)  D                                                      Cheers,   Csaba  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- F   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  phaeton at iinet dot net dot auE --------------------------------------------------------------------- <     EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:     Gummidge's Law :H    The amount of expertise varies in inverse proportion to the number of3        statements understood by the general public.    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2006 00:18:05 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>% Subject: Re: Open VMS programing in C C Message-ID: <1138609085.892400.273290@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Phaeton wrote: > Ken Robinson wrote: 2 > >  ... I currently use EVE on VMS. Have you everH > > tried using EDT on a screen that 200 columns by 48 lines? It doesn't > > work too well. > > > 	I don't know about the columns, but EDT can handle up to 48? > 	lines for quite a few years now. ( I used to set my VT420 to = > 	36 lines or such, and even lodged an SPR to Digital to fix > > 	EDT so an editing session should honour the terminal's line. > 	setting; and this was about 15 years ago. )  E Say what??? What version of EDT? What version of VMS? My VAX/VMS v6.1 @ and v6.2 systems, and VMS Alpha v7.2-1 on decuserve all have EDTD v3.12-03 (c) 1980 and 1991 which does NOT support more than 24 lines" AFAIK. Please do tell and clarify.   Thanks!    [...] D > > It's been so long since I really used EDT that if I inadvertanlyG > > invoke it I need to quit immediately. (except in line mode, where I  > > can still function!).  > D > 	That's a shame, really. EDT is a nice editor, very capable, IMHO.6 > 	But let's not start up again the editor wars... :-)   Your humble opinion is right!    > F >                                                      Cheers,   Csaba [...]    AEF    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:53:34 +1100 $ From: Phaeton <phaeton@iinet.net.au>% Subject: Re: Open VMS programing in C J Message-ID: <43dde21d$0$32614$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>  
 AEF wrote: > Phaeton wrote: >  >>Ken Robinson wrote:  >>1 >>> ... I currently use EVE on VMS. Have you ever G >>>tried using EDT on a screen that 200 columns by 48 lines? It doesn't  >>>work too well.  >>> >>	I don't know about the columns, but EDT can handle up to 48? >>	lines for quite a few years now. ( I used to set my VT420 to = >>	36 lines or such, and even lodged an SPR to Digital to fix > >>	EDT so an editing session should honour the terminal's line. >>	setting; and this was about 15 years ago. ) >  > G > Say what??? What version of EDT? What version of VMS? My VAX/VMS v6.1 B > and v6.2 systems, and VMS Alpha v7.2-1 on decuserve all have EDTF > v3.12-03 (c) 1980 and 1991 which does NOT support more than 24 lines$ > AFAIK. Please do tell and clarify.  > 	Yes, my memory is really faulty. I think what I meant is that= 	*after* an EDT editing session ( with 24 lines ), EDT failed < 	to restore the line numbers set by the VT terminal, it left6 	it at 24 lines, even if the VT was set to 36 or 48 by? 	$ SET TERM/PAGE=36 or 48  previously. Sorry for the confusion.   > 	I really need to download that SIMH to play with VMS again...  B                                                    Cheers,   Csaba  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- F   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  phaeton at iinet dot net dot auE --------------------------------------------------------------------- <     EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:     Gummidge's Law :H    The amount of expertise varies in inverse proportion to the number of3        statements understood by the general public.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:44:36 +0000 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>? Subject: p2c (dave gillespie's pas to c converter) & VMS pascal 4 Message-ID: <drl1nl$msj$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>  H Has anyone had experience of this, and got (or failed to get) a working  configuration ?   F I've got it compiled & working under fedora, and would like to port a I number of our vms pascal programs to there (while retaining them on vms).   A My initial problems are with ! delimited line comments, and with  = [WEAK_GLOBAL] and other attributes (it doesn't like the '[').   E It does have a language VAX option, but it's very old, and there's a  & note "not tested with large programs".  D I suspect other recent enhancements (%if etc) are going to cause me  trouble too.  F If anyone's already spent time looking at this, or has any tips, that . would be great. Meantime I'll continue trying.   Thanks Chris    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2006 09:40:19 -0800% From: "Jerry" <finnjj@telefonica.net> C Subject: Re: p2c (dave gillespie's pas to c converter) & VMS pascal C Message-ID: <1138642819.012247.271890@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Chris Sharman wrote:I > Has anyone had experience of this, and got (or failed to get) a working  > configuration ?   A No, but I worked on a Pascal to C project when used I worked with E Sector7. You might want to give them a ring, unless you're only going ! to consider an open source tool.     Jerry    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2006 01:14:14 -08002 From: "vaxorcist" <hoelscher-kirchbrak@freenet.de>! Subject: Re: SimH V3.5-2 released C Message-ID: <1138612454.529926.236540@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hi friends,    I'm very sorry for the delay!   @ I'm a teacher and we have the end of the school year now here in Germany.  E I'm responsible for the design and printing of several hundred school E reports so that my private hobbies have to stand back for a while ...    Everyone will get his copy!    By the way: 1 I have tested the SIMH VAX-11/780 emulator under:  - VMS V1.5 (new)
 - VMS V3.0
 - VMS V3.2
 - VMS V3.5! without any bigger problems :-))       Regards    Ulli   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:26:48 GMT ; From: "Jeffrey H. Coffield" <jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com> & Subject: Re: Splitting serial cables ?< Message-ID: <YeqDf.5530$2O6.2895@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>   JF Mezei wrote:   G > And I would have to find a decserver that is UP without any help of a I > boot node. Consider after a total shutdown, if I wish to access the >>> C > prompt before booting, without a working decserver, I couldn't...  >   F Lantronix terminal servers can be configured boot without a load host.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2006 09:50:43 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org& Subject: Re: Splitting serial cables ?3 Message-ID: <oCgSttFou3DR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <43DD3DBC.6E32BF1E@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > "Steven M. Schweda" wrote:K >>    First figure out what is supposed to happen to all the outputs you've F >> wired together, and who wins the arguments when one says "+12V" and >> another says "-12V".  > I > Since an OPA0: doesn't have modem controls, is that still a big problem  > ?   C Transmit data is on one of those wires.  You have two stations both A wired into transmit data.  Both of them will be holding that lead C in the space condition (or mark -- I can never remember) when idle. < This is not tri-state logic where the lead floats when idle.  D If you've ever put a breakout box on an RS232 connector, you'll have' noticed that TD and RD are always live.   E > The goal isn't to have multiple people writing to OPA0: at the same * > time. That would indeed cause gibberish.I > The goal is more to log the output opf OPA0: to two different ports and ; > possibly have one of those ports send data out at a time.   C You can have one source sending data to multiple receivers.  That's G no problem since the receivers aren't trying to coerce the signal line.   B You can't have multiple sources sending data to a single receiver.A That's a problem since multiple senders are each trying to coerce  the signal line differently.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2006 09:20:55 -0800# From: "RLFitch" <rlfitch@gmail.com> & Subject: Re: Splitting serial cables ?C Message-ID: <1138641655.523380.320920@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   G I have a serial cable that comes from a single data source and is split A into 4 separate outputs going to COMn on 4 separate Alphas. I use E "flat" 25 pin cables that have both genders on each end to create the E splits plus some "gender bender" adapters.  Crude but effective. This 2 is in a production environment and is well proven.   Ransom Fitch   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.060 ************************