1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 02 Jul 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 365       Contents: Re: Alpha remembrance day  Re: Alpha remembrance day # Re: Console assigned to system user # Re: Console assigned to system user  Re: Cryptlib" The possibility of vms opening up?& Re: The possibility of vms opening up?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 15:30:52 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>" Subject: Re: Alpha remembrance day< Message-ID: <MERpg.19523$181.1979@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   Bill Todd wrote: > etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote:  >  >> Well, that's one view.  >  > K > And, at least compared with your own, a relatively informed one.  Why is  J > it that there's always some clueless newbie eager to pop up and put his C > ignorance on display without having bothered to develop any real   > acquaintance with a subject?  F It's a new email but the poster is Steeve Reece who's been around for " years as I'm sure you will recall!   > K > That's certainly possible:  I'd hate to suggest that there was any limit  I > to Curly's ability to screw up a healthy corporation.  But, of course,  K > that has absolutely nothing to do with Alpha's ability to compete:  it's  H > simply a reflection of what happens when you boot out a competent and 3 > visionary CEO and replace him with an accountant.   I I'm still 99% sure I have seen or read an interview with Curly about the  H time he started at MCI, in which he said that Compaq chairman Ben Rosen E surprised him by telling him to get out of Alpha and he'd implemnted  I that policy. This in response to a question about taking tough action. I  I think the interview may have been on CNN financial news but I can't find   a web reference.   --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 12:28:33 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>" Subject: Re: Alpha remembrance dayG Message-ID: <gdqdnXZ4RcavaTrZnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>    Alan Greig wrote:  >  >  > Bill Todd wrote: >> etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: >> >>> Well, that's one view. >> >>I >> And, at least compared with your own, a relatively informed one.  Why  J >> is it that there's always some clueless newbie eager to pop up and put H >> his ignorance on display without having bothered to develop any real  >> acquaintance with a subject?  > H > It's a new email but the poster is Steeve Reece who's been around for $ > years as I'm sure you will recall!  = Oh - then I guess there's no excuse at all for his ignorance.    >  >>F >> That's certainly possible:  I'd hate to suggest that there was any H >> limit to Curly's ability to screw up a healthy corporation.  But, of E >> course, that has absolutely nothing to do with Alpha's ability to  J >> compete:  it's simply a reflection of what happens when you boot out a B >> competent and visionary CEO and replace him with an accountant. > K > I'm still 99% sure I have seen or read an interview with Curly about the  J > time he started at MCI, in which he said that Compaq chairman Ben Rosen G > surprised him by telling him to get out of Alpha and he'd implemnted  K > that policy. This in response to a question about taking tough action. I  K > think the interview may have been on CNN financial news but I can't find   > a web reference.  G It's always been suspected that the fine hand of Ben Rosen was present  I in this, but this is the first time I've ever seen any concrete evidence  F (if 99% certainty of hearsay can be called 'concrete') to that effect.  I That's still no excuse: the CEO, not the BoD, is responsible for running  I the company - all the BoD can do is arrange to replace him if they don't  H like what he does.  "I was just following orders" is even a less viable 0 defense at the top than it is down in the ranks.   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2006 06:35:32 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) , Subject: Re: Console assigned to system user3 Message-ID: <aCp2BUqmv8yt@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <1151805479.063343.234770@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, malanalan1@yahoo.com writes:  G >> What exactly did you do to "assign the console to the system user" ?  >> > C > There is no explicit username prompt. The implicit user is always ) > system. I can see only password prompt.    MCR SYSMAN HELP ALF REMOVE   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2006 09:07:04 -0700  From: malanalan1@yahoo.com, Subject: Re: Console assigned to system userC Message-ID: <1151856424.677440.325040@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   D > OK. This is probably ALF. (no, not a cartoon character). It is the > Automatic Login Facility.  > : > If you have an old version of VMS: @SYS$MANAGER:ALFMAINT >  > For recent versions: > $MC SYSMAN > SYSMAN> ALF SHOW >   > and then ALF REMOVE <terminal> > , > SYSMAN> HELP ALF give you more information  F Thanks, that solved my problem.  I don't remember how I ever got thereC in the first place. Since your memory serves you better than mine I B have another question. I used to use a VMS utility/command to viewG devices or haradware configuration (not sh dev command). Would you know  what that might have been,   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 09:41:54 +0200 3 From: Wilm Boerhout <w5OLD.boerhout@PAINTplanet.nl>  Subject: Re: Cryptlib 6 Message-ID: <44a778c2$0$30183$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl>  & on 2-7-2006 0:49 Villy Madsen wrote...0 > Has anyone built cryptlib on openvms 7.3-1 ???  6 Is this part of openSSL? If so, I just built it on 8.2   /Wilm    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2006 03:25:10 -0700 ( From: "geletine" <adaviscg1@hotmail.com>+ Subject: The possibility of vms opening up? B Message-ID: <1151835910.821752.310820@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   hello,'  this is my second post to this forum.. E >From an academic perspective, i think vms would greatly benifit from C the source being available, from being the obscure os that it is to  perhaps a wider audience ?  C Is there a worrying factor that when the source becomes available , G security vunerabilities will come out the closet, or the code is not so < well documented for anyone but the core vms developers, will understand.   * I opologise if this has been asked before.   thanks..   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 16:14:13 +0200 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> / Subject: Re: The possibility of vms opening up? = Message-ID: <44a7d4a3$0$67257$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>    geletine wrote:  > hello,) >  this is my second post to this forum.. F >>From an academic perspective, i think vms would greatly benifit fromE > the source being available, from being the obscure os that it is to  > perhaps a wider audience ? > E > Is there a worrying factor that when the source becomes available , I > security vunerabilities will come out the closet, or the code is not so > > well documented for anyone but the core vms developers, will > understand.  > , > I opologise if this has been asked before. > 
 > thanks.. > F Actually you can buy a source license for VMS, but it is so expensive / that people only buy it if they really need it.   C In the old days, VMS shipped with listings on microfiche, but that  F stopped, when VMS became too big.  I looked into the code a number of F times, and found that there were many comments and the code ways well F structured.  It was easy to read.  My guess is that that is also true F for the code added after Digital stopped shipping microfiche listings.  G My guess is that VMS is not shipped with sources, because HP is afraid  I people will change VMS and blame HP if things are not working.  Secondly  I they are making a few dollars on selling the sources and source listings.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.365 ************************