1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 03 Jul 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 366       Contents: Re: Alpha remembrance day  Re: Alpha remembrance day  Re: Alpha remembrance day ) Re: New OpenVMS Virtualization Whitepaper & Re: The possibility of vms opening up?& Re: The possibility of vms opening up?& Re: The possibility of vms opening up?& Re: The possibility of vms opening up?& Re: The possibility of vms opening up?& Re: The possibility of vms opening up?& Re: The possibility of vms opening up?G Re: zipping large files (was Re: Info-ZIP's Zip V2.32 is now available)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2006 12:36:42 -0700 * From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>" Subject: Re: Alpha remembrance dayC Message-ID: <1151869002.734619.216310@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Bill Todd wrote:   > J > That's still no excuse: the CEO, not the BoD, is responsible for runningJ > the company - all the BoD can do is arrange to replace him if they don'tI > like what he does.  "I was just following orders" is even a less viable 2 > defense at the top than it is down in the ranks.  C Although in this case Rosen had just fired Pfeiffer and spent three E months as acting CEO of Compaq himself. It's therefore quite possible > the decision was taken by Rosen as acting CEO and Capellas wasG appointed CEO with it as a given. Would also explain why Capellas could E not put his name on that infamous Compaq letter to The Economist when 2 it suggested that Alpha's fate was already sealed. --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 16:08:26 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>" Subject: Re: Alpha remembrance dayG Message-ID: <He-dnQzxe-0mujXZnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>    Alan Greig wrote:  > Bill Todd wrote: > K >> That's still no excuse: the CEO, not the BoD, is responsible for running K >> the company - all the BoD can do is arrange to replace him if they don't J >> like what he does.  "I was just following orders" is even a less viable3 >> defense at the top than it is down in the ranks.  > E > Although in this case Rosen had just fired Pfeiffer and spent three ) > months as acting CEO of Compaq himself.   I My recollection is that Curly was named acting CEO on Pfeiffer's ouster,  G and that this position was made permanent 3 months later.  I could, of   course, be mistaken.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 21:13:48 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> " Subject: Re: Alpha remembrance day, Message-ID: <44A86F4B.CE1766C9@teksavvy.com>   Bill Todd wrote:J > My recollection is that Curly was named acting CEO on Pfeiffer's ouster,H > and that this position was made permanent 3 months later.  I could, of > course, be mistaken.    @ Curly was caretaker while they were hunting for a replacement ofH Pfeiffer. When they failed to find a suitable candidate that was willing> to form for Compaq, they gave the accountant the job for good.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2006 00:48:22 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)2 Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Virtualization Whitepaper, Message-ID: <4gr7qmF1o1tkkU1@individual.net>  G In article <7P6dnen8xbCrIDvZnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>, + 	Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  > Dave Froble wrote: >  > ...  > L >> Don't do it!  I thought I could still handle a rope swing.  Cast goes on  >> tomorrow.  :-(  > 4 > Ouch!  But there are at least a couple of upsides: > < > 1.  You have an interesting anecdote to relate at parties. > ? > 2.  You can serve as a cautionary example for the rest of us   > superannuated fossils. > N > 3.  You can serve as an inspiration to the rest of us superannuated fossils. > I > (Yes, the last two are somewhat mutually exclusive - that's why I said  H > there were 'a couple' of upsides.  I think I prefer 3 over 2, myself, = > though in some ways one can benefit from remembering both.)   @ I can certainly sympathize with him.  I am just getting ready to? start physical therapy after having my biceps re-attached to my ? radius. (Injury on St. Pat's day surgery a week and half later. A Injury the result of 56 year old dinosaur trying to out wrestle a . 21 year old ROTC Cadet in Tae Kwon Do class!!)  $ Personally, I also prefer #3.  :-)    ! Good luck on your recovery, Dave.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2006 13:18:51 -0700 ( From: "geletine" <adaviscg1@hotmail.com>/ Subject: Re: The possibility of vms opening up? C Message-ID: <1151871531.004796.192300@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   G > Actually you can buy a source license for VMS, but it is so expensive 1 > that people only buy it if they really need it.  > D > In the old days, VMS shipped with listings on microfiche, but thatG > stopped, when VMS became too big.  I looked into the code a number of G > times, and found that there were many comments and the code ways well G > structured.  It was easy to read.  My guess is that that is also true H > for the code added after Digital stopped shipping microfiche listings. > H > My guess is that VMS is not shipped with sources, because HP is afraidJ > people will change VMS and blame HP if things are not working.  SecondlyK > they are making a few dollars on selling the sources and source listings.   D thats interesting, iirc the source microsoft windows is available toE some universities in the us, but its known to not be well structured, F the eu did not accept some of it from them because of this, thats from8 the anti-trust case that is still kind of continuing....  C Even though they make money from the source, its still possible and E does happen that companies give away the source and still make profit  from support etc..5 take a look at VA Software Corporation or sugarcrm ..    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2006 16:28:10 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) / Subject: Re: The possibility of vms opening up? 3 Message-ID: <7+bIysudvfib@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <44a7d4a3$0$67257$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>, Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> writes:   I > My guess is that VMS is not shipped with sources, because HP is afraid  K > people will change VMS and blame HP if things are not working.  Secondly  K > they are making a few dollars on selling the sources and source listings.   D From a third party developer's viewpoint, it is very comforting thatC the average customer does not have the ability to make such changes B to VMS.  We can count on the environment in which our code runs to be predictable.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2006 15:52:39 -0700 ( From: "geletine" <adaviscg1@hotmail.com>/ Subject: Re: The possibility of vms opening up? C Message-ID: <1151880759.777421.290030@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>   F > From a third party developer's viewpoint, it is very comforting thatE > the average customer does not have the ability to make such changes D > to VMS.  We can count on the environment in which our code runs to > be predictable.   B In open source operating systems, not everything that a programmerD changes is accepted into the main source that is released as part of& the os, there are leaders/maintainers.D This is something that worries me, just because the source is freelyF available does not mean that all code is included wheather its good or bad.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2006 00:50:18 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)/ Subject: Re: The possibility of vms opening up? , Message-ID: <4gr7uaF1o1tkkU2@individual.net>  C In article <1151880759.777421.290030@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>, + 	"geletine" <adaviscg1@hotmail.com> writes: G >> From a third party developer's viewpoint, it is very comforting that F >> the average customer does not have the ability to make such changesE >> to VMS.  We can count on the environment in which our code runs to  >> be predictable. > D > In open source operating systems, not everything that a programmerF > changes is accepted into the main source that is released as part of( > the os, there are leaders/maintainers.F > This is something that worries me, just because the source is freelyH > available does not mean that all code is included wheather its good or > bad.  E You mean like the security enhancements from NSA that I don't believe ' have made it into mainstream Linux yet!    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 21:17:32 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> / Subject: Re: The possibility of vms opening up? , Message-ID: <44A8702B.6E996581@teksavvy.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:F > From a third party developer's viewpoint, it is very comforting thatE > the average customer does not have the ability to make such changes D > to VMS.  We can count on the environment in which our code runs to > be predictable.     @ This was perfectly valid and desirable in the past. But with theD downsizing of VMS engineering and less work done to improve productsB such as TCPIP Services, it would now be desirable for them to openB products that have essentially been abandonned. In particular, theC TCPIP$ routines that allow a program to build the control files and D submit them to the mail symbiont (bypassing the very inefficient SFF1 which creates many intermediate temperary files).    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2006 21:28:21 -0700 ; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> / Subject: Re: The possibility of vms opening up? C Message-ID: <1151900901.864831.264560@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>    Karsten Nyblad wrote: G > Actually you can buy a source license for VMS, but it is so expensive 1 > that people only buy it if they really need it.  > D > In the old days, VMS shipped with listings on microfiche, but thatG > stopped, when VMS became too big.  I looked into the code a number of G > times, and found that there were many comments and the code ways well G > structured.  It was easy to read.  My guess is that that is also true H > for the code added after Digital stopped shipping microfiche listings. > H > My guess is that VMS is not shipped with sources, because HP is afraidJ > people will change VMS and blame HP if things are not working.  SecondlyK > they are making a few dollars on selling the sources and source listings.   C What does the source cost nowdays?  Is there a discount for being a < DSPP member?  how about an employee discount?  Anybody know?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 07:03:25 +0200 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> / Subject: Re: The possibility of vms opening up? = Message-ID: <44a8a50a$0$60781$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:E > In article <1151880759.777421.290030@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>, - > 	"geletine" <adaviscg1@hotmail.com> writes: H >>> From a third party developer's viewpoint, it is very comforting thatG >>> the average customer does not have the ability to make such changes F >>> to VMS.  We can count on the environment in which our code runs to >>> be predictable. E >> In open source operating systems, not everything that a programmer G >> changes is accepted into the main source that is released as part of ) >> the os, there are leaders/maintainers. G >> This is something that worries me, just because the source is freely I >> available does not mean that all code is included wheather its good or  >> bad.  > G > You mean like the security enhancements from NSA that I don't believe ) > have made it into mainstream Linux yet!   C It depends on what you mean by mainstream.  They are in the kernel  E unmaintained by Linus Thorvald, and they are in, e.g., Redhat Fedora  H Core 5.  (I think they were also in Fedora Core 4 without being enabled I by default.)  They should be in the next version of the commercial Linux   distributions.   ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:09:01 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)P Subject: Re: zipping large files (was Re: Info-ZIP's Zip V2.32 is now available)2 Message-ID: <06070214090126_20200393@antinode.org>  , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>  F >    I have a gzip port (1.3.3?) that has been in use for OpenVMS I64 F > DVDs, and we regularly use it for files beyond what zip can manage. B > (IIRC, current versions of zip tend to tip over at or near 2GB.)  G    I've been fooling around lately with gzip 1.3.5 (large files, better G RMS default parameters, command-line case preservation -- the usuals).  G In my (limited) testing, the only problem I've seen with large files in A 1.2.4 (or a small-file 1.3.5) is the defective calculation of the @ fractional space saved.  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