1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 04 Jul 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 369       Contents:+ Re: Gates says vista "most secure os ever"? + Re: Gates says vista "most secure os ever"?  Re: MySQL License on OpenVMS? & RE: The possibility of vms opening up?& Re: The possibility of vms opening up? XML vs indexed files Re: XML vs indexed files Re: XML vs indexed files Re: XML vs indexed files  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:07:16 +0100* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>4 Subject: Re: Gates says vista "most secure os ever"?2 Message-ID: <e8d7jk$phm$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>  = "Paul Sture" <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote in message  5 news:72100$44a95b3c$50db5015$17550@news.hispeed.ch...   Z > "I purchased a SEALED OEM copy of XP Professional. WGA said the license key was already Y > used. I called MS and they said I should uninstall and buy another copy. I told them I  % > wasnt made of money and hung-up."'   C Well, much as WGA is a pain, "I bought a dodgy licence on e-Bay and A it stopped working" probably isn't the best argument against it.     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 10:26:02 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> 4 Subject: Re: Gates says vista "most secure os ever"?; Message-ID: <781a5$44aa261b$50db5015$18879@news.hispeed.ch>    Richard Brodie wrote: ? > "Paul Sture" <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote in message  7 > news:72100$44a95b3c$50db5015$17550@news.hispeed.ch...  > [ >> "I purchased a SEALED OEM copy of XP Professional. WGA said the license key was already  Z >> used. I called MS and they said I should uninstall and buy another copy. I told them I & >> wasnt made of money and hung-up."' > E > Well, much as WGA is a pain, "I bought a dodgy licence on e-Bay and C > it stopped working" probably isn't the best argument against it.   >  >   I Hmm, a good point. The OEM bit didn't register with me on first read. It  / obviously _did_ register with the WGA stuff :-)    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jul 2006 10:10:05 -0700 ' From: "toby" <toby@telegraphics.com.au> & Subject: Re: MySQL License on OpenVMS?C Message-ID: <1152033005.452198.212520@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>    Walter Kuhn wrote: > Hello Groups,  > L > does anybody have information and experience about licensing models and/orJ > license fees for MySQL on OpenVMS (used in a commercial product)? Is theK > OpenVMS port as available at http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/  > free?   C According to http://www.mysql.com/support/supportedplatforms.html , G there exist MySQL "Pro Certified" binaries for OpenVMS 8.2 on Alpha and B IA64. Access to and support for those products is a benefit of the: MySQL Network, a support subscription with several levels, http://www.mysql.com/network/   G Other binaries, such as all free distributions, are GPL (the "Community 
 Edition"):C http://www.mysql.com/products/database/mysql/community_edition.html   G The applicability of the GPL generally hinges on "redistribution" (e.g. ? to your customers). The GPL is therefore usually sufficient for C "internal" applications, or "If you are developing and distributing F open source applications under the GPL License". In the case of MySQL,G "For OEMs, ISVs, and VARs who distribute MySQL with their products, and D do not license and distribute their source code under the GPL, MySQL, provides a flexible OEM Commercial License."& http://www.mysql.com/oem/products.html  2 >If not, who tells the proce and who gets the fee?  E You should contact your local MySQL people if you want to explore the = OEM, Pro or Network products: http://www.mysql.com/buy-mysql/    >  > Thanks in advance  >  > Kind Regards > 
 > Walter Kuhn  > KSG GesmbH > Computerstrasse 6  > A - 1101 Wien    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:35:15 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> / Subject: RE: The possibility of vms opening up? T Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B8684016B000E@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----2 > From: geletine [mailto:adaviscg1@hotmail.com]=20 > Sent: July 3, 2006 7:10 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 1 > Subject: Re: The possibility of vms opening up?  >=20 >=20 > David J. Dachtera wrote:	 > snip... ? > > Another large obstacle is security. Some sites currently=20  > using VMS would H > > be rather put off by the idea of having such things become "commonly > > available".  > >=207 > Are you indicating that vms is security by obscurity?  >=20 >=20  G Sigh .. This argument always comes up by the somewhat less informed and H imho, you should also ask the question of the banks i.e. why do they notB provide detailed plans of their vaults and security systems on theG internet? Is it because they are not really secure and rely on security  by obscurity ?  A Or perhaps it is because banks just do not believe doing so would H enhance their overall security and their Customers trust them to provide' the highest level of security possible.   A To gain a better understanding of OpenVMS security, check out the  following recent whitepapers: 8 http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/4AA0-2896ENW.pdf: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/whitepapers/TCS_2004.pdf   Main OpenVMS whitepaper site: 8 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/whitepapers/index.html   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jul 2006 09:04:47 -0700 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>/ Subject: Re: The possibility of vms opening up? C Message-ID: <1152029086.974664.133530@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    geletine wrote:  > > > David J. Dachtera wrote:
 > > > snip... @ > > > > Another large obstacle is security. Some sites currently > > > using VMS would L > > > > be rather put off by the idea of having such things become "commonly > > > > available".  > > > > ; > > > Are you indicating that vms is security by obscurity?  > > K > > Sigh .. This argument always comes up by the somewhat less informed and L > > imho, you should also ask the question of the banks i.e. why do they notF > > provide detailed plans of their vaults and security systems on theK > > internet? Is it because they are not really secure and rely on security  > > by obscurity ? > > 0 > Its a  very nice way of avoiding a question :)G > Many corporate companies use open source operating systems, does that G > automatically mean they are giving the world access to their profits?   F Corporations have been hacked. Data has been stolen. Identity theft isB a growing problem. Not all such breaches are made public. I'm sureC some, if not many or even most, have been from systems running open  source software.  G Security by obscurity alone is not great, but solid locks or vaults, or F solid software (including the OS), combined with not revealing all the4 inner workings of said security measures, *is* good.  E The U.S. military keeps the true GPS error unavailable to the public. E The public can't use GPS to its best accuarcy, and the military keeps D just what that best accuracy is a secret. This way our enemies can'tG build something just good enough to "sneak under the radar". This keeps . them guessing and it makes it harder for them.  E > > Or perhaps it is because banks just do not believe doing so would L > > enhance their overall security and their Customers trust them to provide+ > > the highest level of security possible.  > & > I believe it comes down to politics.  G No, it comes down to common sense. What possible benefit would there be F of the banks' publishing the inner workings of their security systems?  B There's a world of difference between *depending* on obscurity forG security, and building very secure products that are not "open source". C While obscurity is not enough for good security, it still helps. In D fact, this is exactly what people who criticize VMS argue -- that it9 only "appears" secure due to its low profile (obscurity).   < Are you next going to recommend that people post their true,G "unmunged", email addresses on this public forum? Should we all publish - our SYSTEM-account passwords on the Internet?    Knowledge is power.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 03:56:56 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: XML vs indexed files , Message-ID: <44AA1F45.A1C4DD11@teksavvy.com>  C OK, some here, including at least one VMS engineer seem to be quite  enamoured by XML.     G XML seems to be great for storing variable format/content records where F one or more fields may be missing from some records, and fields can be all variable length.  G However, how does one handle XML in a context where you want to be able ! to search though XML "records" ?    H For instance, I could store GPS waypoint in XML in a text file. But if IF want to extract all "records" that match certain criteria, how do I go) about it ? a massive brute force search ?   G If I want to add new records as well as replace existing records with a 9 matching primary key, how would I go about it  with XML ?   D I can see XML is great for inter-platform exchanges of raw data. But7 does it really have a use as a in-platform "database" ?    ------------------------------   Date: 04 Jul 2006 09:49:26 GMT/ From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@dussuet.lugs.ch> ! Subject: Re: XML vs indexed files 0 Message-ID: <slrneaked6.1t9.thierry@MARS.Family>  = On 2006-07-04, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: E > OK, some here, including at least one VMS engineer seem to be quite  > enamoured by XML.  >  > I > XML seems to be great for storing variable format/content records where H > one or more fields may be missing from some records, and fields can be > all variable length. > I > However, how does one handle XML in a context where you want to be able # > to search though XML "records" ?   > J > For instance, I could store GPS waypoint in XML in a text file. But if IH > want to extract all "records" that match certain criteria, how do I go+ > about it ? a massive brute force search ?  > I > If I want to add new records as well as replace existing records with a ; > matching primary key, how would I go about it  with XML ?  > F > I can see XML is great for inter-platform exchanges of raw data. But9 > does it really have a use as a in-platform "database" ?   ) You might want to read a bit about XPath.   D Here are some examples which use libxml, including an XPath example:& http://xmlsoft.org/examples/index.html   And an XPath introduction:* http://www.w3schools.com/xpath/default.asp   Thierry    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jul 2006 07:49:44 -0700  From: davidc@montagar.com ! Subject: Re: XML vs indexed files A Message-ID: <1152024583.622844.69330@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Thierry Dussuet wrote:? > On 2006-07-04, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: L > > For instance, I could store GPS waypoint in XML in a text file. But if IJ > > want to extract all "records" that match certain criteria, how do I go- > > about it ? a massive brute force search ?  > > K > > If I want to add new records as well as replace existing records with a = > > matching primary key, how would I go about it  with XML ?  > > H > > I can see XML is great for inter-platform exchanges of raw data. But; > > does it really have a use as a in-platform "database" ?  > + > You might want to read a bit about XPath.   F XML has it's place.  Despite XPath/SAX/DOM, you essentially still do aG brute force search for what you are looking for, and maybe worse, since = all the XML must be parsed and in-memory trees built.  XML is E essentially a specially formatted (HTML-like, essentially) text file.     G XML is great for data storage and exchange in an open and portable way, C dumping data extracts for web/AJAX applications, documents (such as + OpenOffice does), configuration files, etc.   C But XML as a replacement for index files?   No.  Indexed files will D always give you better and faster retrieval of information, assumingD you're based on an index.  XML does not have the concept of "primaryF key".   Adding or changing a record requires re-writing the entire XML? document.  So indexed files will provide superior protection of D primary/unique keys, faster updates and faster record additions than XML.  A I like XML, but like any tool, it's not the best solution for all 
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