1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 07 Jul 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 375       Contents: Cluster Question) Copying file from Cisco switch to VAX/VMS - Re: Copying file from Cisco switch to VAX/VMS - Re: Copying file from Cisco switch to VAX/VMS - Re: Copying file from Cisco switch to VAX/VMS  DECW archive: some (good) news- Re: HP to get rid of certain office locations - Re: HP to get rid of certain office locations - Re: HP to get rid of certain office locations . No OpenVMS RTLs supported for ASTs or Threads!2 Re: No OpenVMS RTLs supported for ASTs or Threads!2 Re: No OpenVMS RTLs supported for ASTs or Threads!2 No Oracle Standard Edition planned for VMS on IA646 Re: No Oracle Standard Edition planned for VMS on IA64 Re: Office Friendly RX2620' Re: OT: Intel quad core X64 benchmarked ' Re: OT: Intel quad core X64 benchmarked  Re: OT: Ken Lay dead Re: OT: Ken Lay dead Re: OT: Ken Lay dead Re: OT: Ken Lay dead Re: OT: Ken Lay dead7 Re: Problem mounting MSA1000 in Compaq/HP H9A15-MC rack 7 Re: Problem mounting MSA1000 in Compaq/HP H9A15-MC rack 7 Re: Problem mounting MSA1000 in Compaq/HP H9A15-MC rack # setting uafalternate 1 doesnot work ' Re: setting uafalternate 1 doesnot work ' Re: setting uafalternate 1 doesnot work 1 Re: Simple Directmedia Layer (SDL) for OpenVMS??? ( Some interesting facts and figures (VMS)& Re: The possibility of vms opening up?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 13:37:56 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Cluster Question Q Message-ID: <OFB017304F.67B17816-ON852571A4.00604FC5-852571A4.0060DB7E@metso.com>   B If I have two Alphas clustered with a quorum disk on a common SAN,@ can I add in a VAX with 0 votes even though it cannot get at the SAN/quorum disk?   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2006 08:23:38 -0700  From: contracer11@gmail.com 2 Subject: Copying file from Cisco switch to VAX/VMSB Message-ID: <1152285818.035865.77330@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   Hi VMS masters:   A I need copy flash:config.txt file from Cisco switch to my VAX/VMS  system.   
 When I issue:  copy flash:config.txt 2 ftp://user:password@ip_address/[directory]file.txt I get  writing...  (permission denied)   C What can I do to enable cisco switch do write this file in my vax ?  Need I create a proxy account ? ) issuing ucx sh services in my vax I get :  ftp  telnet   Thanks in advance !    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 11:47:54 -0400- From: "Jim Agnew" <brainwavesurfer@gmail.com> 6 Subject: Re: Copying file from Cisco switch to VAX/VMSI Message-ID: <a184d6630607070847l3a4391cem60301589bf8177ae@mail.gmail.com>   ) ------=_Part_34728_18829034.1152287274254 ; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inline   ; If you're using a pc as a terminal, simply cut and paste...   ! if you're doing decwindows, same.   2 if you're doing a straight terminal.. (rare), do a   set host 0/log  % login again, type the file, logout...   , there will be a logfile in your current dir.  A it will probably have garbage chars, but the text will be there..    J.  K On 7 Jul 2006 08:23:38 -0700, contracer11@gmail.com <contracer11@gmail.com>  wrote: >  > Hi VMS masters:  > C > I need copy flash:config.txt file from Cisco switch to my VAX/VMS 	 > system.  >  > When I issue:  > copy flash:config.txt 4 > ftp://user:password@ip_address/[directory]file.txt > I get ! > writing...  (permission denied)  > E > What can I do to enable cisco switch do write this file in my vax ? ! > Need I create a proxy account ? + > issuing ucx sh services in my vax I get :  > ftp  > telnet >  > Thanks in advance !  >  >   ) ------=_Part_34728_18829034.1152287274254 + Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inline    If you're using a pc as a terminal, simply cut and paste...<br><br>if you're doing decwindows, same.<br><br>if you're doing a straight terminal.. (rare), do a <br><br>set host 0/log<br><br>login again, type the file, logout... <br><br>there will be a logfile in your current dir.<br><br>it will probably have garbage chars, but the text will be there..<br><br>J.<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 7 Jul 2006 08:23:38 -0700, <b class="gmail_sendername"><a href="mailto:contracer11@gmail.com">contracer11@gmail.com</a></b> &lt;<a href="mailto:contracer11@gmail.com">contracer11@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi VMS masters:<br><br>I need copy flash:config.txt file from Cisco switch to my VAX/VMS<br>system.<br><br>When I issue:<br>copy flash:config.txt<br><a href="ftp://user:password@ip_address/[directory]file.txt">ftp://user:password@ip_address/[directory]file.txt </a><br>I get<br>writing...&nbsp;&nbsp;(permission denied)<br><br>What can I do to enable cisco switch do write this file in my vax ?<br>Need I create a proxy account ?<br>issuing ucx sh services in my vax I get :<br>ftp<br>telnet<br>6 <br>Thanks in advance !<br><br></blockquote></div><br>  + ------=_Part_34728_18829034.1152287274254--    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 08:48:58 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 6 Subject: Re: Copying file from Cisco switch to VAX/VMS) Message-ID: <op.tcbsvwr2zgicya@hyrrokkin>   B On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 08:23:38 -0700, <contracer11@gmail.com> wrote:   > Hi VMS masters:  > C > I need copy flash:config.txt file from Cisco switch to my VAX/VMS 	 > system.  >  > When I issue:  > copy flash:config.txt 4 > ftp://user:password@ip_address/[directory]file.txt > I get ! > writing...  (permission denied)  > E > What can I do to enable cisco switch do write this file in my vax ? ! > Need I create a proxy account ? + > issuing ucx sh services in my vax I get :  > ftp  > telnet >  > Thanks in advance !  > D Are you logged in to the Cisco switch console at the enable command?   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2006 09:39:06 -0700  From: contracer11@gmail.com 6 Subject: Re: Copying file from Cisco switch to VAX/VMSC Message-ID: <1152290346.402888.108110@s16g2000cws.googlegroups.com>    Tom Linden wrote: D > On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 08:23:38 -0700, <contracer11@gmail.com> wrote: >  > > Hi VMS masters:  > > E > > I need copy flash:config.txt file from Cisco switch to my VAX/VMS  > > system.  > >  > > When I issue:  > > copy flash:config.txt 6 > > ftp://user:password@ip_address/[directory]file.txt	 > > I get # > > writing...  (permission denied)  > > G > > What can I do to enable cisco switch do write this file in my vax ? # > > Need I create a proxy account ? - > > issuing ucx sh services in my vax I get :  > > ftp 
 > > telnet > >  > > Thanks in advance !  > > F > Are you logged in to the Cisco switch console at the enable command?     Yes, I issued enable command.   . Address or name of remote host [175.18.13.10]?1 Destination filename [DKA1:[TELECOM]/config.txt]? ! Writing DKA1:[TELECOM]/config.txt  %Error writingF ftp://user:password@175.18.13.10/DKA1:[TELECOM]/config.txt (Permission denied) 
 tacacsdfl064# - %TELNET-S-REMCLOSED, Remote connection closed : -TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host 175.18.13.210, port 23    B My intention is use kermit to connect in 54 Cisco switches and get yours=20 flash:config.txt file. I=B4ll apreciate your help. 
 Thanks again!    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2006 14:39:47 +0100 K From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40) ' Subject: DECW archive: some (good) news ! Message-ID: <BNSQFzsKjeZm@sinead>    Hi all,   N Some news of the DECWindows archive. The Cnam VMS cluster where was stored allH the archive is now gone. However I have now 1 Gb of storage space at theJ free.fr server (thank's Free) and I'll move there the content not actuallyM available (I had only 100 Mb at free in the past where only more recent parts  of the archive was mirrored).   E I've just updated the MIDI on VMS pages to point on the new location:   / http://membres.lycos.fr/pmoreau/audio/midi.html   
 or in English   1 http://membres.lycos.fr/pmoreau/audio/midigb.html   J More pages will be updated in the future and more content moved to free.fr   Enjoy !!   Patrick  --O =============================================================================== N pmoreau@ath.cena.fr              ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)4 DSNA/DTI/SDER (ex CENA)         / /   /     / /|  /|J Athis-Mons France              / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/              http://membres.lycos.fr/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2006 02:11:25 -0700  From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk6 Subject: Re: HP to get rid of certain office locationsC Message-ID: <1152263485.856564.238800@k73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   C They've been following this plan from before Hurd arrived.  Reading E (the former DEC Park) is due to close this year and employees move to  the HP site in Bracknell.   C Many of the sites that Compaq moved to in the UK were leased anyway B whereas the sites that Digital had were predominantly owned by the company.   Steve    JF Mezei wrote: ` > http://news.com.com/HP+looks+to+downsize+living+quarters/2100-1022_3-6091269.html?tag=nefd.top > E > The gist of it: Hurd wants to cut costs, realises that with all the F > acquisitions, there are way too many offices  and wants to eliminate" > redundant office sites/campuses. > 4 > Is it time to develop a petition to save ZKO ?????   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2006 02:34:08 -0700   From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>6 Subject: Re: HP to get rid of certain office locationsB Message-ID: <1152264848.381288.316060@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  : moves and office closures have been happening for years in5 DEC/Compaq/hp UK and USA. Its just business as usual.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:20:28 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> 6 Subject: Re: HP to get rid of certain office locations< Message-ID: <44ae42d8$0$18513$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  , "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> wrote in message < news:1152264848.381288.316060@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...< > moves and office closures have been happening for years in7 > DEC/Compaq/hp UK and USA. Its just business as usual.  > K After Compaq bought DEC, didn't they sell off the old mill site in Maynard  H while they were consolidating operations to Texas? Yep, its business as  usual.  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html: http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 21:38:57 +08003 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> 7 Subject: No OpenVMS RTLs supported for ASTs or Threads! 1 Message-ID: <e8lo1j$b0e$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi,   E The kernel issue here in the discussion is one of support, and of the D associated support calls and support escalations that can ensue from statements of support.  G The word "Support" has a very specific meaning for OpenVMS Engineering: B it means that we will commit to spending resources should problemsE arise. That something is unsupported does not imply that an operation G does or does not work, nor that the operation will or will not continue F to work. It simply means that OpenVMS Engineering has wide latitude inF accepting (or rejecting) requests for assistance.  Interfaces, devices@ or operations that are considered supported tend to see far moreI testing, as well, as this too ties into the support statement. Obviously.   H No OpenVMS Run-Time Libraries (RTLs) are supported for Threads or at AST level.  E In this particular case, I've previously discussed one particular and = directly relevant exposure involving AST RTL callers with the F engineers that are maintaining one particular and unnamed RTL, and theC engineers agree with my position and my statements. That particular J interface, as currently implemented, cannot handle the synchronization andF memory access atomicity issues. Other RTLs may or may not have similarG risks, should AST calls be made -- there has been no systemic atomicity > investigation made here, and there are already known exposuresE that can potentially destabilize the environment for threaded callers  of RTLs.  ? Whether or not any particular instance of an AST call -- should = there exist unsupported AST callers of OpenVMS RTLs -- can be L exercised to function incorrectly is not obvious, and far from certain. SomeE calls may well have been vetted, and may have no exposure.  The risks @ and the exposure centrally depend on the calls involved, and theG operations performed.  (The risks are also why the default behaviour of - OpenVMS is to have a single-threaded process)   B Now if you want or need to call an OpenVMS RTL from an AST, I haveB no interest in and no place in stopping you. If you are willing toL review the complete call stack and to ensure data and instruction atomictity isF maintained both now and over any RTL-related ECOs or upgrades, all the9 better for your package and for your customers.  Have at.   B As for what operations and interfaces HP OpenVMS Engineering mightH utilize within OpenVMS itself, or what interfaces other HP or ISVs might@ utilize, that is interesting, but is not centrally relevant to aF decision of support. If we should break our own code, we get to fix it  D I've personally never liked Threads or natural alignment or RISC but+ why should anyone give a shit what I think?   A I'm not going to tell you that calling an OpenVMS RTL from an AST G is supported, because -- simply put -- it isn't. And because I am aware F of subtle potential exposures in this area, and because of the obviousE potential for changes to the RTLs that might unintentionally increase ; the exposure to threaded RTL callers over ECOs or upgrades. D (Theoretically, there may well be changes made to OpenVMS that couldF decrease the risks to threaded RTL callers too, obviously, but that isD a discussion for another day.) But again, if you are willing to takeE the risks, have at. Though I would prefer to see your efforts succeed H here (which is why I participate in comp.os.vms, and why I've spent some> time and thought in responding to this thread). I am, however,D obligated to ensure there is no confusion around matters such as "ifG [unsupported operation] breaks, please don't expect HP to commit to fix ? [unsupported operation]." But again, have at -- you are the DRI G (designated responsible individual) for this particular application and = its environment, and you don't need the blessing of anyone in ! comp.os.vms or anyone here at HP.    Regards Richard "Pol Pot" Maher   E PS. http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82final/5932/5932pro_026.html#get_v   K LIB$GET_VM is fully reentrant, so it may be called by routines executing at 0 AST level or in an Ada multitasking environment.  ? There was a time when you could take those docs to the Bank :-(    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2006 06:42:11 -0700   From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>; Subject: Re: No OpenVMS RTLs supported for ASTs or Threads! A Message-ID: <1152279731.208772.40960@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   A most of the above is quoted from a posting by Hoff but it appears 4 Richard has omitted to indicate which parts are his.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2006 08:06:16 -0700 - From: "Steve Lionel" <steve.lionel@intel.com> ; Subject: Re: No OpenVMS RTLs supported for ASTs or Threads! C Message-ID: <1152284776.080784.168150@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>   B As a (very) former VMS RTL developer, I find the statements in theC original post baffling.  We put a lot of effort into making the RTL @ (LIB$, STR$, MTH$ and some more) AST-reentrant as of VMS 2.0 andF thread-reentrant as of VMS 4.0.  I'd hate to think that our early workB in this area had been thrown away.  I personally expended a lot ofD effort in finding and removing reentrancy barriers in the RTL - this@ was a task we took seriously.  There were even statements at theA beginning of the various RTL reference manuals attesting to their  reentrant status.    Steve    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2006 09:19:58 -0700 1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) ; Subject: No Oracle Standard Edition planned for VMS on IA64 , Message-ID: <TPRX3Erfztah@malvm9.mala.bc.ca>  : I've been waiting for about a year to get a copy of OracleA Standard Edition that I can run on my rx2600 VMS box. I currently  run it on an Alphaserver DS20.  ;    Until recently the "Certify" page on Oracle MetaLink has / said it would be available in the first half of 6 2006. I just checked this morning and it now says it's9 "not planned for this platform". The "Enterprise Edition" : still shows as being available, though it's now slipped to. August 2006, which isn't quite the first half.  ;    So with the end of Alpha in sight and no Oracle standard 6 edition available for Itanium and no way we can afford5 Enterprise edition it seems I no longer have a viable $ migration path for staying with VMS.  =    It's clear my Oracle server will have to move to a non-VMS 6 platform. Whether I will be able to install the client6 code on an Itanium VMS box so that my applications can8 still be ported is not entirely clear. My presumption is8 that I can install the client portions of the Enterprise5 Edition on there without a license ( ie that only the ( server platform needs to be licensed ).   8    In any case this is not a good sign. I've really been8 trying to accept the inevitable and embrace Itanium, but8 it's getting awfully tiring running into all these brick walls.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2006 10:42:22 -0700 + From: "hpuxrac" <johnbhurley@sbcglobal.net> ? Subject: Re: No Oracle Standard Edition planned for VMS on IA64 C Message-ID: <1152294141.958957.208720@k73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    hpuxrac wrote: > H > What other platforms are we still waiting for oracle to deliver on for > 10.2?  > 8 > The solaris x86 32 bit is still in "projected" status. > H > Wondering if Captain Morgan is going to go off the deep end?  A mutinyH > perhaps with all of those production systems he was supporting running > on 10.1 on apple.   E Forgot to note above I was looking at Enterprise instead of Standard.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 21:29:22 -0600  From: Dan Notov <d9nno@hp.com># Subject: Re: Office Friendly RX2620 , Message-ID: <44add513$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   brian wrote: > order # AD244A > 6 > There is mention of this in the RX2620 quickspec at H > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12141_div/12141_div.HTML >  >  > M > The rx2620 can also be deployed as a stand-alone pedestal (order # AD244A)  J > appropriate for the office environment. When choosing to convert a rack K > system to the office, the HA113A1 installation service is mandatory (the  J > AD244A is not customer installable). Note: In an office deployment, the 6 > rx2620 does not support redundant power and cooling. > H FYI, according to my handy dandy configuration tool, Field Installation G for AD244A is HA113A1 Option 53E. The configuration tool should insert  % the appropriate installation service.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2006 06:03:56 -0700 - From: "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> 0 Subject: Re: OT: Intel quad core X64 benchmarkedC Message-ID: <1152277436.288177.136830@s16g2000cws.googlegroups.com>    Bill Todd wrote: > Andrew wrote:  > > icerq4a@spray.se wrote:  > >> Andrew skrev: > >> > >>> JF Mezei wrote:  > >>>> Andrew wrote:L > >>>>> 3.0 Ghz Xeon 5160 does 3057 SPEcint2005 vs 1.6 Ghz 9MB IA-64 at 15904 > >>>>> SPECint and 2797 SPECfp vs 2712 for Itanium. > >>>>> M > >>>>> It would appear that with the introduction of Woodcrest that the last 1 > >>>>> refuge for Itanium, FP has been breached.  > >>>>K > >>>> In fairness, that IA64 thing is expected to have its next generation M > >>>> soon, so performance of the new 8086s should be compared once they get - > >>>> that new IA64 thing out on the market.  > >>>>K > >>>> Also, for large systems, raw CPU performance is only one part of the L > >>>> equation. The ability to exchange data with the rest of the system is > >>>> equally important.  > >>>>N > >>>> Does IA64 still hold any advantage in terms of memory/bus interconnectsO > >>>> and scalability ? Or has the 8086 truly overtaken IA64 on all fronts now  > >>>> ?F > >>> It depends, Xeon 5160 and Itanium II both use the Frontside bus,M > >>> Itanium II supports up to 667 Mhz Frontside while Xeon 5160 supports up = > >>> to 1333 Mhz roughly double the bandwidth of Itanium II. F > >> As usual, one should not expect accurate information from Andrew. > >> > > = > > Although you are correct on your first point (or sort of)  > & > No, Andrew - he was correct, period.  9 Oh dear, Actually he was incorrect period and so are you.   G You see some of the other details about Woodcrest may have escaped your  notice, so let me educate you.  G Woodcrest uses a new support chipset called Blackford which is the same F chipset which will support Clovertown Intels Quad CPU which is in factB just 2 Woodcrest units packaged onto one module (but you knew that* didn't) or did you given your later point.  F Guess what, Blackford has not 1 but two FSB's one for each module. YesG each FSB is only 64 bit but there are two of them not one. But you knew  this didn't you.  @ Another detail which you may have missed is that cache coherancyF traffic is confined within a Woodcrest module. So a dual CPU and 4 CPUF Woodcrest system has more usable backplane bandwidth than a 2 or 4 CPU= Itanium II system where all cache coherancy traffic uses FSB.    Ohh dear, strike 1.  >  >   your second  > > point is demonstrably bogus  >  > Strike two, I'm afraid.   8 Another error on your part, you arn't having a good day.  E Why well you seem to have forgotten both what the thread is about and G sadly the statements made by the poster you seem vainly to be trying to  support.  ? Regardless of how scalable Woodcrest is it is demonstrably more D scalable than Itanium II up to 4 CPU's this is a fact which you have failed completely to dispute.   C Yes Woodcrest is currently only 2 module but then a 2  module 4 CPU 0 Woodcrest scales better than a 2 CPU Itanium II.  F > Of course, you're comparing a just-released Xeon product to a ratherJ > long-in-the-tooth Itanic product tested in 2004:  comparing to MontecitoD > would be a lot more appropriate, and there's some reason to expectF > Montecito to post improved results even with no changes in bus speedG > (let alone with an increase to 533 MHz in a dual-socket configuration J > comparable to the top-of-the-line Woodcrest that you're quoting - by theJ > way, your phrase "small 1-4 Module systems" suggests that you may not be< > aware that Woodcrest supports only single- and dual-socketJ > configurations, not 4-socket boxes like the zx1 chipset does and the zx26 > chipset will:  you *do* know about zx2, don't you?). >   G Of course I was aware of Woodcrest being 2 module only, Clovertown sort  of delivers 4 modules.   > > G > > Now your mix-up, the SGI large system scalability has nothing to do # > > with Front Side bus performance  > H > But it *does* have something to do with competitive SPECfp_rate scoresF > in the *small* configurations you were citing:  his observation thatH > this excellent performance scales linearly on up from there was simply > icing on the cake. >   D Do you really think that stating the obvious helps your argument. OfF course the performance of each cell board has a major influence on theD total performance of a large system built out of those boards. SadlyE for your argument the performance of each cell has nothing to do with  scalability beyond 4 boards.  E The fact is the origional posters comments about zx1 scalability were G demonstrably wrong and he mixed on cell scalability (zx1) with off cell ( scalability as it would appear have you.  E sx1000/sx2000 are the HP chipsets used for 4 module and above servers ; not zx1/2. sx2000 the most current >4 module HP chipset and C incedentally the one designed to support Montecito does not deliver A stellar scalability either. The fastest single CPU in a 4 way SMP E server HP Itanium result for STREAMS copy is 3428 MB/s, the fastest 4 $ way result for STREAMS is 7269 MB/s.  B > In sum, when you're being picky about someone else's comments itF > behooves you to be scrupulously correct as well if you want to avoidF > looking incompetent.  I may not have much use for Itanic, but I have. > even less for incompetence, so there you go. >   B Sadly as you can see your comment has come back to slap you in the face.    Regards  Andrew   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2006 09:21:31 -0700 - From: "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> 0 Subject: Re: OT: Intel quad core X64 benchmarkedC Message-ID: <1152289291.868419.164820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>   
 Andrew wrote:  > Bill Todd wrote: > > Andrew wrote:  > > > JF Mezei wrote:  > > > > Bill Todd wrote: > > > > > Andrew wrote: $ > > > > > > <-snip-> (it is numbers)' > > >>>> <-snip-> (no it isn't numbers)   > > >> <-snip-> (is too numbers)1 > > > <-snip-> (is not numbers, is other numbers)  > > <-snip-> (nuh uh!) >  <-snip-> (uh huh!)   G Sorry if I've missed an attribution. I might have blacked out there for 	 a moment.    > G > Why well you seem to have forgotten both what the thread is about and I > sadly the statements made by the poster you seem vainly to be trying to 
 > support.
 > <-snip->  C There! I understood that. For the benefit of others like myself who F have forgotten what the Original Post said, I've looked it up and here it is:  ; ::---Original Post:: OT: Intel quad core X64 benchmarked---  ::Alan Greig wrote: E ::With the dual core Montecito finally about to appear, it seems that G ::quad-core X64 Intel samples are out and about. There's a benchmark at E ::http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1527913 if you  ::haven't yet seen it.G ::---------------------------------------------------------------------    > H > > Of course, you're comparing a just-released Xeon product to a ratherL > > long-in-the-tooth Itanic product tested in 2004:  comparing to MontecitoF > > would be a lot more appropriate, and there's some reason to expectH > > Montecito to post improved results even with no changes in bus speedI > > (let alone with an increase to 533 MHz in a dual-socket configuration C > > comparable to the top-of-the-line Woodcrest that you're quoting   D Okay, that's the real point, isn't it? New chip vs. Old chip numbersC don't matter as much as what New chip vs. New chip numbers will be. G Now, will Bill stand on that point or blow the argument and throw in an D insult that allows Andrew to skate the real issue? Let's continue...   > > - by theL > > way, your phrase "small 1-4 Module systems" suggests that you may not be> > > aware that Woodcrest supports only single- and dual-socketL > > configurations, not 4-socket boxes like the zx1 chipset does and the zx28 > > chipset will:  you *do* know about zx2, don't you?). > >   E Oh, no, Bill tried to throw a hammer and dropped it on his foot!. Now B Mr. A has an out. Well, we might as well see how Mr. A plays it...   > I > Of course I was aware of Woodcrest being 2 module only, Clovertown sort  > of delivers 4 modules. >    Yep. Mr. A took the out.  " > > <-snip-> (more uh huh, nuh uh)   > > > G > The fact is the origional posters comments about zx1 scalability were I > demonstrably wrong and he mixed on cell scalability (zx1) with off cell * > scalability as it would appear have you.  E Hey, there's that reference to the original poster again... something A about zx1 --- let's go back and look ........ no zx1 there. Well,  onward, then  b > <-snip-> (more irrelevant number throwing and insult slinging and something about face slapping)   Oh, well. Nothing new here.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 11:34:22 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: OT: Ken Lay dead Q Message-ID: <OF71407DDB.AB644094-ON852571A4.00554AD1-852571A4.00558B5A@metso.com>   E sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote on 07/06/2006 06:15:10 PM:   I >    Can I assume that everyone has noticed that "Ken Lay dead." could be H > construed as a complete sentence (with excessive capitalization as its > only grammatical defect)?  > H >    Of course, the loosers who frequent this group might be more likely? > to claim that "Ken Laid dead." or "Ken Layed dead.", instead.    More like "Ken Lies dead."   1.  He's not going to get up. . 2.  It's just as true without the capital "L."  2 ..or as your loosers would claim, "Ken Lied dead."     > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 5 >    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 6 >    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818 >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 09:01:30 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: OT: Ken Lay dead ) Message-ID: <op.tcbtgssizgicya@hyrrokkin>   C On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 08:34:22 -0700, <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote:    >  > G > sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote on 07/06/2006 06:15:10 PM:  > I >>    Can I assume that everyone has noticed that "Ken Lay dead." could =  beI >> construed as a complete sentence (with excessive capitalization as it=  s  >> only grammatical defect)? >>I >>    Of course, the loosers who frequent this group might be more likel=  y @ >> to claim that "Ken Laid dead." or "Ken Layed dead.", instead. >  > More like "Ken Lies dead." >  > 1.  He's not going to get up. 0 > 2.  It's just as true without the capital "L." > 4 > ..or as your loosers would claim, "Ken Lied dead." >  > G I Like "Ken lay dead ..." could be the opening line of a Chandler or  =   
 Hammet novel.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 12:27:37 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: OT: Ken Lay dead Q Message-ID: <OFE719DB1D.82D306F1-ON852571A4.005A5152-852571A4.005A6B53@metso.com>   > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote on 07/07/2006 12:01:30 PM:  E > On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 08:34:22 -0700, <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote:  >  > >  > > I > > sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote on 07/06/2006 06:15:10 PM:  > > I > >>    Can I assume that everyone has noticed that "Ken Lay dead." could  beK > >> construed as a complete sentence (with excessive capitalization as its  > >> only grammatical defect)? > >>K > >>    Of course, the loosers who frequent this group might be more likely B > >> to claim that "Ken Laid dead." or "Ken Layed dead.", instead. > >  > > More like "Ken Lies dead." > > ! > > 1.  He's not going to get up. 2 > > 2.  It's just as true without the capital "L." > > 6 > > ..or as your loosers would claim, "Ken Lied dead." > >  > > F > I Like "Ken lay dead ..." could be the opening line of a Chandler or > Hammet (sic) novel.    ..or Mickey Spillane.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2006 09:32:50 -0700 - From: "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net>  Subject: Re: OT: Ken Lay dead C Message-ID: <1152289970.838627.192270@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>    Tom Linden wrote: E > On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 08:34:22 -0700, <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote:  >  > >  > > I > > sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote on 07/06/2006 06:15:10 PM:  > > L > >>    Can I assume that everyone has noticed that "Ken Lay dead." could beK > >> construed as a complete sentence (with excessive capitalization as its  > >> only grammatical defect)? > >>K > >>    Of course, the loosers who frequent this group might be more likely B > >> to claim that "Ken Laid dead." or "Ken Layed dead.", instead. > >  > > More like "Ken Lies dead." > > ! > > 1.  He's not going to get up. 2 > > 2.  It's just as true without the capital "L." > > 6 > > ..or as your loosers would claim, "Ken Lied dead." > >  > > F > I Like "Ken lay dead ..." could be the opening line of a Chandler or > Hammet novel.     9 Alive, Ken lied, now Ken lies dead so Ken no longer lies.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2006 10:30:47 -0700 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT: Ken Lay dead C Message-ID: <1152293444.774024.111630@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Keith Parris wrote: J > Ken Lay was awaiting sentencing, so he was not yet incarcerated. Autopsy: > was performed; heart attack was given as cause of death. > ( > Let's get back to discussing VMS here.    , Two more advantages of the am/pm system: :-)  F 1.) Times like 5:00 can be ambiguous. If the person who wrote it meantF 5 pm, then someone who interprets it as 24-hour time will think it's 5D am, not 5 pm! But if you are forced to specify am or pm (imagine all0 this in a Web form), then there is no ambiguity.  F 2.) Clock towers that chime: So you ring the bell zero times at 00:00?D Not very helpful. That explains why twelve is used for zero. RingingE the bell 23 times at 23:00 is a bit tedious to count. Also, a 24-hour 8 face would be rather difficult to read on a clock tower.  3 See the Wikipedia article "12-hour clock" for more.   H Still, I greatly prefer the 24-hour system for system time on computers.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2006 02:07:04 -0700  From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk@ Subject: Re: Problem mounting MSA1000 in Compaq/HP H9A15-MC rackC Message-ID: <1152263223.953324.182680@s16g2000cws.googlegroups.com>   D As you've already said, the m-series rack was supplied for ES40s and< 4100s and is the kind of rack (IIRC) that the ESA10000/12000 Storageworks arrays went in.  D These days, the preference seems to be for 10,000-series racks which are, obviously, different.  F I think the answer is rack people love standards and so there are lots of them!   Steve    Alan Frisbie wrote:  > Dan Notov wrote: > 1 > > Yes, the M-series rail kit is the right part. > > > Here is a link to the official QuickSpecs for the MSA1000:H > > http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/11033_na/11033_na.HTML* > > It's under Step 6, Choose Rack Options > 8 > Aha!   I think I see a clue.   You are referencing the: > QuickSpecs for the MSA1000, specific for Intel, AMD, and< > PA-RISC systems, and I have been looking at the QuickSpecs9 > for Tru64 Unix and OpenVMS systems.    For some bizarre 8 > reason, they list *different* cabinet options, and the1 > VMS Quickspecs doesn't list the 313877-B21 kit.  > A > My question at this moment is, just exactly what is an M-series 
 > cabinet? > < > It would appear that there is considerable confusion at HP* > concerning cabinets and rack mount kits. >  > Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 14:10:10 +0200 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> @ Subject: Re: Problem mounting MSA1000 in Compaq/HP H9A15-MC rack, Message-ID: <4h71fnF1qksibU1@individual.net>  2 On 2006-07-07 11:07, "etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk" wrote:   > [...]  > H > I think the answer is rack people love standards and so there are lots
 > of them!  4 Isn't IEC (60)297 the *only* relevant standard here?  ; A summary is available from SCHROFF -- in German only -- at C <http://web.schroff.de/webcat/subgroup/pdf/normenuebersicht_d.pdf>.   B Google finally discovered an English version as well, available atW <http://www.schroff.co.jp/40_03_kikaku/pdf/Standards_Summary_Final_Version_160904.pdf>.    Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 12:11:52 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) @ Subject: Re: Problem mounting MSA1000 in Compaq/HP H9A15-MC rackZ Message-ID: <rdeininger-0707060811520001@dialup-4.233.149.18.dial1.manchester1.level3.net>  C In article <1152263223.953324.182680@s16g2000cws.googlegroups.com>,  etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote:   E >As you've already said, the m-series rack was supplied for ES40s and = >4100s and is the kind of rack (IIRC) that the ESA10000/12000  >Storageworks arrays went in.  > E >These days, the preference seems to be for 10,000-series racks which  >are, obviously, different.  > G >I think the answer is rack people love standards and so there are lots 	 >of them!  >  >Steve   Well, sort of.  N After the HP-Compaq merger, there were 3 major series of racks in the company:< 1. The 10,000-series, the proliant-standard rack from Compaq; 2. The M-series, the Alphaserver-standard rack from Digital L 3. The System/E rack series from HP, used for PA-RISC and Integrity servers.  J Someone decided this was overkill. (I agree.)  The Compaq and HP racks are@ clearly better than the Digital ones for ease of use and cost ofD manufacture.  The Digital racks would probably survive falling off aE truck/plane/boat somewhat better.  The Proliant racks were BY FAR the * highest volume products among all of them.  E At that time, Storageworks stuff could go easily in Digital or Compaq F racks.  It's (still) a PITA to put some storageworks devices in the HP M-series racks.   ? Both the M-series and System-E racks will be discontinued.  The I 10,000-series G2 (generation 2) product line will continue and expand.  I G expect the M-series will last as long as the AlphaServers that need it, 2 and the System-E series will EOL in 2007 or later.  G Today if you order Storageworks stuff pre-loaded in a rack, you get the @ 10,000-series G2 by default.  (That may be the only choice now.)  E You can now buy Integrity servers (particularly the entry-level ones) 7 pre-loaded in either the 10,000 series or the System/E.   ? Alphaserver rack-mount kits are available for both M-series and F 10,000-series G2, but NOT System/E.  I don't know offhand (and I'm tooF lazy to check) if you can get systems pre-loaded in the 10,000 series.    B If you're starting with an empty rack (either do-it-yourself or HPJ factory-configured) for any current AlphaServer, Integrity, Storeageworks,J or Proliant stuff, your first choice should be the 10,000-series G2 rack. A Check the specs carefully to make sure you get the right options.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2006 10:13:43 -0700  From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net, Subject: setting uafalternate 1 doesnot workC Message-ID: <1152292423.064519.117090@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>    Hello @ I am trying to bypass the sysuaf on a home RF73 drive. I set the uafalternate to 1 and startup C to min and boot. When ever the system comes up I type in system and  press return, but itG keeps coming up with password. Is there another way of getting pass the 
 sysuaf  file.  thanks   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2006 10:28:38 -0700  From: sean@obanion.us 0 Subject: Re: setting uafalternate 1 doesnot workB Message-ID: <1152293317.946843.73760@s16g2000cws.googlegroups.com>  2 Enter username SYSTEM then hit return three times.  D When UAFALTERNATE is set to 1 and there is no UAFALTERNATE file, andF you login with the SYSTEM username, the system will prompt to password twice and ignore the input.   A If there is a AUFALTERNATE file, you must use the password in it. E If that password is unknown then you need to use the SET STARTUP/OPA0  method.     ? Also, if you need SYSTEM priv's once you're in, you need to SET 
 PROC/PRIV=ALL      Sean   tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote:  > Hello B > I am trying to bypass the sysuaf on a home RF73 drive. I set the > uafalternate to 1 and startup E > to min and boot. When ever the system comes up I type in system and  > press return, but itI > keeps coming up with password. Is there another way of getting pass the  > sysuaf  file.  > thanks   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 13:33:15 -0400) From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> 0 Subject: Re: setting uafalternate 1 doesnot workH Message-ID: <7dd80f60607071033h51b3dd1bt77e5cc4b7104740f@mail.gmail.com>  6 On 7 Jul 2006 10:13:43 -0700, tomarsin2015@comcast.net! <tomarsin2015@comcast.net> wrote:  > uafalternate to 1 and startup E > to min and boot. When ever the system comes up I type in system and  > press return, but itI > keeps coming up with password. Is there another way of getting pass the  > sysuaf  file.   F The system will display a password prompt, but you can enter anything.A It usually prompts for two passwords and anything can be entered.    Ken    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:27:36 +0200 , From: "J.Jansen" <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>: Subject: Re: Simple Directmedia Layer (SDL) for OpenVMS???< Message-ID: <be0e4$44ae4528$915e511b$31459@news1.tudelft.nl>   Tim Sneddon wrote: > JOUKJ wrote:
 >> Hi All, >>F >> Did anyone try to port SDL (see http://www.libsdl.org/index.php) to >> OpenVMS?  > D > Yes. It was done by Alexey Chupahin. However, it would appear thatA > the download link at his site is not working. You can check out  > his libSDL site at:  > 9 >     http://fafner.dyndns.org/~alexey/libsdl/public.html  > B > He offers kits for the following add-on packages also SDL_Image, > SDL_TTF and SDL_NET. >  The Web-site is corrected     J An updated version of SDL for OpenVMS is expected july 14 (vive la France)                       Jouk   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 12:42:36 -0400 + From: Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> 1 Subject: Some interesting facts and figures (VMS) 5 Message-ID: <e8m2ts$adj$1@mailhub227.itcs.purdue.edu>   + http://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/jobs/uk/vms.do    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 11:31:27 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk/ Subject: Re: The possibility of vms opening up? ) Message-ID: <e8lgmf$fat$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   _ In article <1152231895.454657.276510@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, davidc@montagar.com writes:  >  >JF Mezei wrote: >> davidc@montagar.com wrote: G >> > 1)  OpenVMS passes information through verifiable structures, like  >> > descriptors.  >>K >> That is not the case all the time anymore, not since they ported so much B >> unix software to VMS, including TCPIP Services which by today's1 >> standards, is a core operating system feature.  > F >While various utilities, and programs may use null-terminate strings,G >etc for TCPIP, you still have to go through $QIO to get to the kernel. E >The biggest issue is still with DOS attacks, but not really exploits " >(like IIS buffer overflows, etc). > I As I recall there was a big argument in this group in 2000 because it was K discovered that one of the newer system services SYS$CREATE_GALAXY_LOCK (?) H had been written to pass a null terminated string rather than pass it byM descriptor. Although as I recall the way it was used posed no security threat : in this instance it was seen as the thin end of the wedge.J After this was reported Joshua Cope at Compaq promised that an additional L system service would be created and the interface using the null terminated # string would be officially retired.       
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University     ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.375 ************************