1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 08 Jul 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 377       Contents:P Re: A Vulcan Mind-Meld (Was: Re: No OpenVMS RTLs supported for ASTs or Threads!) Re: Cluster Question Re: Cluster Question' DEC 2000 AXP fails system power up test  Hoffman Labs Re: Hoffman Labs Re: Hoffman Labs Montecito to launch July 18 6 Re: No Oracle Standard Edition planned for VMS on IA646 Re: No Oracle Standard Edition planned for VMS on IA64 Re: Office Friendly RX2620, Re: Some interesting facts and figures (VMS)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 10:59:19 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>Y Subject: Re: A Vulcan Mind-Meld (Was: Re: No OpenVMS RTLs supported for ASTs or Threads!) ? Message-ID: <beMrg.283818$8W1.190944@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    Richard Maher wrote:   > N > Ian, I honestly lost track of that myself. The boudaries seemed to shift andI > the lines became blurred as my fingers just began typing like they were L > under the control of a higher force! (Not since Spock hugged that rock hasM > such synergy been witnessed.) I just experienced this overwhelming sense of N > pain, sheer pain! If you guys only new what Hoff was goung through you'd pay > him a little more respect.  6 I do sometimes wonder if you could do with a vacation.   --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2006 23:11:01 -0700 / From: "Volker Halle" <volker_halle@hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: Cluster Question C Message-ID: <1152339061.792140.253860@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   M > > > If so, the VAX would need to be shut down before the second alpha, yes?  > H > The VAX will hang if quorum is lost. When the alphas reboot, they willJ > kinkly ask the VAX to commit hara-kiri because the VAX and Alphas cannotJ > resynch all the locks and opened files etc.   So shutting it down beforeI > the alphas allows you to cleanly shut down and close files and dismount  > disks cleanly.  E It would not be necessary at all to shut down the VAX before shutting A down the Alphas. It will certainly hang, waiting for quorum to be D restored, but it will happily continue, once at least one Alpha withG VOTES=1 and access to the quorum disk (acting as a quorum disk watcher) ' brings quorum back to 2 (in this case).   D The reference to 'committing hara-kiri' only comes into play, if theD VAX would loose cluster communications to a running cluster for moreG than RECNXINTERVAL seconds and would then successfully re-establish SCS E communication again. The other nodes would have already timed out the A VAX (after RECNXINTERVAL seconds) and would ask it to re-join the % cluster after taking a CLUEXIT crash.    Volker.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 03:20:26 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Cluster Question , Message-ID: <44AF5C9F.FC3C321D@teksavvy.com>   Volker Halle wrote: F > The reference to 'committing hara-kiri' only comes into play, if theF > VAX would loose cluster communications to a running cluster for moreI > than RECNXINTERVAL seconds and would then successfully re-establish SCS G > communication again. The other nodes would have already timed out the C > VAX (after RECNXINTERVAL seconds) and would ask it to re-join the ' > cluster after taking a CLUEXIT crash.     B You're right, I stand corrected. The VAX, as sole survivor,  wouldC maintain the cluster alive (albeit in suspended animation), and the / alphas would rejoin the cluster already formed.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 16:02:50 GMT  From: Tom <tfd@verizon.net> 0 Subject: DEC 2000 AXP fails system power up test* Message-ID: <KGQrg.2895$bd4.1039@trnddc01>  J I came into possesion of an Alpha system labeled as a DEC 2000 axp system.E It had no video card so I stuck an old Paradise 8 bit VGA card in it, ; connected a PC keyboard to the PS2 port, and powered it up.   I I get a screen telling me it has ROM version 1.3 and SRM firmware version C 309 followed by system power up tests. All componets, including the @ keyboard, pass except the NVR which fails with a "00 0004" code.  - These tests are followed by a message saying: B "Power-on self-test errors were detected. Continue NT boot (Y/N)?"  F I thought this system had VMS on it but, whatever. The system does notG appear to be able to read from the keyboard. When I press Y or N or any J other key, I get no response. I get no response when I press the space barB during the memory test, either, and I get the same results using aK different KB. If I remove the keyboard all together, I get a message saying I "Console on serial line port 1 active. Keyboard not detected." So, I know   the system DETECTS the keyboard.  J I'm not sure where to go from here. Does the NVR failure have something toJ do with the inability to read the KB? How do I recover from that? Any help would be appreciated.    TIA    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 07:22:12 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Hoffman Labs < Message-ID: <44af94b9$0$18498$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  J I just stumbled across a web site titled "Hoffman Labs" by Stephen Hoffman   http://hoffmanlabs.org/     
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 22:07:49 +1000 $ From: Phaeton <phaeton@iinet.net.au> Subject: Re: Hoffman Labs J Message-ID: <44afa017$0$14083$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>   Neil Rieck wrote: L > I just stumbled across a web site titled "Hoffman Labs" by Stephen Hoffman >  > http://hoffmanlabs.org/   ? 	Interesting :-) I got a typical Hoff message when I clicked on < 	the "About" ( and other ) links :-)  Maybe it is just me...  C                                                     Cheers,   Csaba   E --------------------------------------------------------------------- F   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  phaeton at iinet dot net dot auE --------------------------------------------------------------------- <     EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:     Everything changes.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jul 2006 09:17:08 -0700 ; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: Hoffman Labs C Message-ID: <1152375428.332679.190410@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>    Phaeton wrote: > Neil Rieck wrote: N > > I just stumbled across a web site titled "Hoffman Labs" by Stephen Hoffman > >  > > http://hoffmanlabs.org/  > A > 	Interesting :-) I got a typical Hoff message when I clicked on > > 	the "About" ( and other ) links :-)  Maybe it is just me... > E >                                                     Cheers,   Csaba    I love the "Legal" link...  7 The whole site certainly has that "Hoff" feel about it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:11:07 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> $ Subject: Montecito to launch July 18, Message-ID: <44AF4C64.7F7D8663@teksavvy.com>  g > http://news.com.com/Intels+long-awaited+Montecito+set+for+debut/2100-1006_3-6091726.html?tag=nefd.top   % HP to be present at the launch event.   G That IA64 thing will finally have dual cores, years behind IBM and Sun. A It will run aty 1.6ghz, instead of the originally planned 2.0ghz.   # There will be single core versions.   L Goes from 130nm to 90nm process.  (8086s are alreadfy done on 65nm process_.   1.7 BILLION transistors.  > Goes from 130 watts for current IA64 down to 100 watts.  Sun'sA Ultrasparc Niagara. consumes 72 watts. Opetron consumes 95 watts.     F What is not clear is wether the 100 watt number applies to the chip or
 to each core.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 10:23:01 -0700 / From: Mark Townsend <markbtownsend@comcast.net> ? Subject: Re: No Oracle Standard Edition planned for VMS on IA64 * Message-ID: <44AFE9F5.4030802@comcast.net>   Malcolm Dunnett wrote:    G Malcolm - please send me an email at mark.townsend at oracle.com and I  @ will get this checked for you. As far as I can see, 10.2.0.2 is G scheduled for OpenVMS. I will need to check if SE is part of that, and  E if not, then any feedback you can provide on your situation may help   change that decision   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 10:23:20 -0700 / From: Mark Townsend <markbtownsend@comcast.net> ? Subject: Re: No Oracle Standard Edition planned for VMS on IA64 : Message-ID: <TYSdnYVFCrCUdzLZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com>   Malcolm Dunnett wrote:    G Malcolm - please send me an email at mark.townsend at oracle.com and I  @ will get this checked for you. As far as I can see, 10.2.0.2 is G scheduled for OpenVMS. I will need to check if SE is part of that, and  E if not, then any feedback you can provide on your situation may help   change that decision   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jul 2006 05:55:47 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) # Subject: Re: Office Friendly RX2620 3 Message-ID: <U+ZdkoKylb82@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <1eeUs0g5Hhxa@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: J > I keep hearing about an "office friendly kit" or "office friendly model"H > of the IA64 RX2620, which disallows a redundant power supply but makes$ > the machine run much more quietly. > 9 > But I can find no information on www.hp.com about this.  > Neither can Google.  >   > Can anyone provide a pointer ?  M Now that the part number questions have been mostly answered (thank you all), E can anyone compare (subjectively is fine) the noise levels of any of:   3 	RX2620 - Office Friendly - at its quietest moments    	DS10    	DS10L  	 	PWS433AU    	AlphaStation 250 4/226    	Alpha ES40   F No, I do not expect anybody to have experience with all those systems,H but if a variety of people have experience with pairs of those, we could get some votes.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jul 2006 08:09:56 -0700 ( From: "geletine" <adaviscg1@hotmail.com>5 Subject: Re: Some interesting facts and figures (VMS) C Message-ID: <1152371396.884264.238970@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   F If you could find out which companies use vms, it would be even better :)   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.377 ************************