1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 09 Jul 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 378       Contents:+ Re: DEC 2000 AXP fails system power up test  Re: Hoffman Labs Re: Hoffman Labs Re: Office Friendly RX2620 Re: Office Friendly RX26207 Re: Problem mounting MSA1000 in Compaq/HP H9A15-MC rack ' Re: setting uafalternate 1 doesnot work ' Re: setting uafalternate 1 doesnot work   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 20:30:43 +0100 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> 4 Subject: Re: DEC 2000 AXP fails system power up test? Message-ID: <fa7e5c434e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>   ) In message <KGQrg.2895$bd4.1039@trnddc01> &           Tom <tfd@verizon.net> wrote:  L > I came into possesion of an Alpha system labeled as a DEC 2000 axp system.G > It had no video card so I stuck an old Paradise 8 bit VGA card in it, = > connected a PC keyboard to the PS2 port, and powered it up.  > K > I get a screen telling me it has ROM version 1.3 and SRM firmware version E > 309 followed by system power up tests. All componets, including the B > keyboard, pass except the NVR which fails with a "00 0004" code. > / > These tests are followed by a message saying: D > "Power-on self-test errors were detected. Continue NT boot (Y/N)?"  ? Could it be waiting for input from the serial consloe - i.e. a  $ terminal connected to a serial port?   > H > I thought this system had VMS on it but, whatever. The system does notI > appear to be able to read from the keyboard. When I press Y or N or any L > other key, I get no response. I get no response when I press the space barD > during the memory test, either, and I get the same results using aM > different KB. If I remove the keyboard all together, I get a message saying K > "Console on serial line port 1 active. Keyboard not detected." So, I know " > the system DETECTS the keyboard.  ? I think this means it is using a serial port because it hasn't  < detected the keyboard of the graphical console setup. Try a  terminal...   L > I'm not sure where to go from here. Does the NVR failure have something toL > do with the inability to read the KB? How do I recover from that? Any help > would be appreciated.   < I don't know how you fix it, but I'd want to fix that first.   >  > TIA  >      --  ! Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire & alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jul 2006 15:51:37 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Hoffman Labs 3 Message-ID: <SHyunebS$UVV@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <1152375428.332679.190410@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> writes:   9 > The whole site certainly has that "Hoff" feel about it.   A So does http://www.DNSstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=hoffmanlabs.org ? during times when the WHOIS service for .ORG is up and running.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 20:39:24 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Hoffman Labs , Message-ID: <44B0503B.51B111ED@teksavvy.com>  ! "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" wrote: 9 > The whole site certainly has that "Hoff" feel about it.   J But who is "kkh" the second entity listed in the "Lab Rats" after "Hoff" ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 00:09:39 GMT  From: dittman@dittman.net # Subject: Re: Office Friendly RX2620 * Message-ID: <7PXrg.1860$Th7.1278@trnddc05>   Dan Notov <d9nno@hp.com> wrote:  > brian wrote: > > order # AD244A > > 8 > > There is mention of this in the RX2620 quickspec at J > > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12141_div/12141_div.HTML > >  > >  > > O > > The rx2620 can also be deployed as a stand-alone pedestal (order # AD244A)  L > > appropriate for the office environment. When choosing to convert a rack M > > system to the office, the HA113A1 installation service is mandatory (the  L > > AD244A is not customer installable). Note: In an office deployment, the 8 > > rx2620 does not support redundant power and cooling. > > J > FYI, according to my handy dandy configuration tool, Field Installation I > for AD244A is HA113A1 Option 53E. The configuration tool should insert  ' > the appropriate installation service.   L I'd love to get this for my rx2620.  Any idea on the cost in the US for both! the kit and installation service?  --   Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 00:13:08 GMT  From: dittman@dittman.net # Subject: Re: Office Friendly RX2620 ) Message-ID: <oSXrg.1861$Th7.992@trnddc05>   . Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@spamcop.net> wrote:e > In article <1eeUs0g5Hhxa@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: L > > I keep hearing about an "office friendly kit" or "office friendly model"J > > of the IA64 RX2620, which disallows a redundant power supply but makes& > > the machine run much more quietly. > > ; > > But I can find no information on www.hp.com about this.  > > Neither can Google.  > > " > > Can anyone provide a pointer ?  O > Now that the part number questions have been mostly answered (thank you all), G > can anyone compare (subjectively is fine) the noise levels of any of:    >         DS10 >         DS10L  >         PWS433AU >         Alpha ES40  K Just subjectively, the ES40 and DS10L sound about the same to me.  The DS10 J sounds quieter than either of them.  I haven't had a PWS for a while but I4 remember that it was slightly quieter than the DS10. --   Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 02:57:34 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>@ Subject: Re: Problem mounting MSA1000 in Compaq/HP H9A15-MC rack) Message-ID: <yg_rg.2504$F8.1700@trnddc02>    etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: 
 > Hi Alan, > F > I've only mounted MSA1000s in 10,000 series racks where the includedI > rack mount suffices.  Hunting round through Google appears to have come  > up trumps though:  > B > It looks to me like the MSA500 and the MSA1000 are the same formI > factor.  The MSA500 does have rack mounts specifically for the m-series # > rack.  Part number for these are:  > 313877-B21 > or
 > 3R-A5281-AA  > ; > The latter translates to "MSA500 M-Series Rack Rail Kit".  > A > That said, it doesn't match the documentation that does say the , > included brackets fit hp and compaq racks. >  > Steve    Urgh.  Top-posting...   D Anyway, I think there is an alternate solution.  (If you can't raise6 the bridge, lower the water...)  Make the rack deeper.  E One of my customers has a pair of MSA1000s mounted in a H9A15MC rack. @ I have the quote from the reseller they bought it from, can't beC sure it is accurate, etc., etc., but it lists an H9C15-TE "Extended E depth kit for H9A15-ta cabinets".  I don't see any rackmounts (either / of the part numbers listed above) on the quote.   B The reseller assembled the rack with MSAs, fiber channel switches,C etc. and shipped it direct to our customer, so I don't know if this  is actually what they received.    Hope this helps.   >  > Alan Frisbie wrote:  > @ >>I tried posting this in comp.sys.dec and comp.sys.hp.hardware,< >>but didn't get any response.    Are any VMS users using an( >>MSA1000?   How do you have it mounted? >> >>*****  >>; >>I need some help mounting an HP MSA1000 disk array into a < >>Compaq/HP H9A15-MC rack.   My problem is that the supplied  >>slides do not fit in the rack. >>G >>According to the MSA1000 QuickSpecs, the H9A15-xx rack is a supported O >>cabinet: http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/11621_na/11621_na.html  >>& >>The MSA1000 Installation Guide says: >>D >>   "To help you install your MSA1000, each MSA1000 is shipped withB >>   a rack-mounting kit that includes the required components for? >>   quick installation in Compaq-branded, HP-branded, and most ? >>   square- and round-hole third-party racks.   The adjustable A >>   feature of the rack rails enables installation in racks with 6 >>   depths of 69.90 to 73.81 cm (27.52 to 29.06 in)." >>; >>The problem is that my Compaq H9A15-MC rack (the same one > >>specified for AlphaServers such as the ES-40) has a depth of: >>25" between the front and rear rails.   Also, the slides6 >>simply do not fit to either the front or rear rails. >>B >>First, the MSA1000 slides do not have a right-angle bracket like@ >>most slides, but are designed to butt right up to the holes in= >>the rack's vertical rails.   However, the so-called "return > >>flange" on the H9A15 rails prevent this.   The return flangeB >>offset is 0.27", and would need to be 0.5" for the rails to fit.= >>BTW, a good introduction to the use and terminology of rack < >>slides is from Accuride, "Designing Slides Into Electronic >>Enclosures".E >>http://www.accuride.com/products/pdfs/designing_slides_contents.pdf  >>> >>This problem is illustrated in a couple of photographs and a
 >>drawing: >>5 >>http://www.NelsonUSA.com/misc/rack/Rail_1_Front.jpg  >>? >>The first photo is looking from the front of the rack towards A >>the left-hand rail, showing the MSA1000 slide propped in place. ? >>It is pushed as far to the left as it will go, stopped by the ? >>"return flange" in the center of the photo.   As you can see, ? >>the mounting holes/screws of the MSA1000 slide do not line up  >>with the holes in the rack.  >># >>The second photo is from the top:  >>3 >>http://www.NelsonUSA.com/misc/rack/Rail_1_Top.jpg  >>@ >>You can see how the slide is pushed against the return flange,< >>but its mounting screws/holes line up with the edge of the% >>front rail, not the mounting holes.  >>C >>The third image is a dimensioned drawing of the H9A15-MC mounting " >>rail, as seen in the two photos: >>7 >>http://www.NelsonUSA.com/misc/rack/H9A15_Top_Drwg.jpg  >>@ >>Note that the return flange is almost exactly in line with the: >>mounting holes.   This makes it impossible to install an, >>MSA1000 (or similar) slide into this rack. >>@ >>Even if the H9A15 did not have the return flanges, there would< >>still be the problem of length.   The distance between the; >>front and rear rails of the H9A15 is 25", but the MSA1000 = >>rails will only adjust between approximately 27.5" and 29".  >>2 >>The length problem is illustrated by two photos: >>7 >>http://www.NelsonUSA.com/misc/rack/Rail_1_Overall.jpg 4 >>http://www.NelsonUSA.com/misc/rack/Rail_1_Rear.jpg >>? >>The piece near the rear end of the slide moves back and forth ? >>to accommodate different depths.   In the photos, it is shown * >>in the most forward (shortest) position. >> >>I have two guesses:  >>= >>1. The design of the H9A15 rack was changed somewhere along & >>    the line, and I have an old one. >>: >>2. The documentation is flat-out wrong about the MSA1000 >>    fitting in an H9A15. >>= >>Has anyone successfully mounted an MSA1000 in an H9A15 rack  >>with the supplied rails? >>< >>Is my H9A15 rack different than others with the same model	 >>number?  >>< >>Does anyone have an H9A15 rack with different rails than I >>have?  >>	 >>Thanks,  >>Alan >  >      --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jul 2006 19:04:40 -0700  From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net0 Subject: Re: setting uafalternate 1 doesnot workC Message-ID: <1152410680.680751.297830@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    Ken Robinson wrote: 8 > On 7 Jul 2006 10:13:43 -0700, tomarsin2015@comcast.net# > <tomarsin2015@comcast.net> wrote: ! > > uafalternate to 1 and startup G > > to min and boot. When ever the system comes up I type in system and  > > press return, but itK > > keeps coming up with password. Is there another way of getting pass the  > > sysuaf  file.  > H > The system will display a password prompt, but you can enter anything.C > It usually prompts for two passwords and anything can be entered.  >  > Ken A I am use to doing that. Entering system for the username and then  hitting returnA 2 or 3 times and it will log me in. This will give me the invalid  password  message C after hitting return after entering system as the username. This is  really interestingD seeing how even setting uaf to 1 its still must be using the primary sysuaf file.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 22:31:32 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 0 Subject: Re: setting uafalternate 1 doesnot work+ Message-ID: <44B06A7B.EF66127@teksavvy.com>    tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote: F > seeing how even setting uaf to 1 its still must be using the primary > sysuaf file.    G When UAFALTERNATE is set to 1, it causes the definition of SYSUAF to be ; made early during boot to point to SYS$SYSTEM:SYSUAFALT.DAT   < If SYSUAFALT.DAT does not exist, then you can login with anyD user/password. But if it exists, authentication is made against thatF file instead of SYSUAF.DAT and you must enter valid user/password that" exists on that SYSUAFALT.DAT file.  E Another way to bypass authentication is to set the startup file to be F OPA0: instead of SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.COM (this can be set from SYSBOOT G (SET/STARTUP).  The system will then expect commands to be entered from ? OPA0:. The systems will be very barebones at that stage becayse E STARTUP.COM will not have executed. But from there you have access to C DCL and can fix things and manually invoke varous procedures to get * enough of the system up to do your fixups.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.378 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                            jkxVկ6
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