1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 14 Jul 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 388       Contents:E Re: A rose by any other name would still smell like a shareable image P Addenda (Re: Fahrenheit 451? (again) (Was Re: A rose by any other name would sti+ Re: DEC 2000 AXP fails system power up test P Fahrenheit 451? (again) (Was Re: A rose by any other name would still smell like Re: Hoffman Labs Re: Hoffman Labs Re: Hoffman Labs Re: Hoffman Labs: Re: How To Get Recall/All To Display More Than 20 Commands: Re: How To Get Recall/All To Display More Than 20 Commands@ How to use kitinstal.com procedure to build RZDISK application??D Re: How to use kitinstal.com procedure to build RZDISK application??8 Re: Number of consecutive failures allowed in batch job?8 Re: Number of consecutive failures allowed in batch job?$ OPCDEF.H question on usage (openSSL)- Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing 1 Re: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing  SSL for SMTP tests ? Re: SSL for SMTP tests ? RE: SSL for SMTP tests ? Re: SSL for SMTP tests ? Re: SSL for SMTP tests ? Re: SSL for SMTP tests ? Re: SSL for SMTP tests ?& Re: The possibility of vms opening up? Re: VAX 66x0 & CHARON VAX  Re: VAX 66x0 & CHARON VAX  Re: war deployment problem war deployment problem  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2006 11:51:58 -0700- From: "Steve Lionel" <steve.lionel@intel.com> N Subject: Re: A rose by any other name would still smell like a shareable imageC Message-ID: <1152816718.614351.135240@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>    Richard Maher wrote:  4 > > Most of the RTL routines were not supported when > > called from inner modes, > ; > Oh really; why not? (Like your use of past tense here :-)   E I use the past tense because the last time I touched general RTL code G was 1983. During my stint as an RTL developer, we considered the RTL to C be user-mode routines and did not design or test calling from inner C access mode, with some exceptions. We also had no requests for such 8 functionality and had lots of other things on our plate.  2 > > but the LIB$xxx_VM routines were an exception.K > >  As documented, the memory returned is all owned by user mode no matter   > > what the mode of the caller. > K > There's this sicko stalker that's been following me around for months who 3 > may wish to take issue with your attestation. :-)   C I'm just quoting the documentation here.  If it's wrong, file a bug  report.    Steve    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 07:30:17 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> Y Subject: Addenda (Re: Fahrenheit 451? (again) (Was Re: A rose by any other name would sti 1 Message-ID: <e96kub$5po$1@news-02.connect.com.au>   	 Hi again,   K I am of the firm belief that the following documentations predates a lot of K the wonderful work done in the Image Activator (by Stuart Davidson?) but if L it helps any, I willing to conceed the following (contradictory) points fromI the Programming Concepts Manual. Which is the newer or more authoratative J reference is moot as we all know (at present) it is not safe for a UWSS toK call thses routines in an untrusted-caller environment. Does that make it a J Bug? Who knows, but let's just concentrate on sys$persona_create shall we? How do you like those apples?   L http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/5841/5841pro_087.html#writing_priv_secL As a protected image, your program does not have the entire operating systemL programming environment at its disposal. Unless a module has the prefix SYS$L or EXE$, you must avoid calling it from an inner mode. In particular, do notJ call LIB$GET_VM or LIB$RET_VM from an inner mode. You can call OpenVMS RMS6 routines from executive mode but not from kernel mode.   Regards Richard Maher   . In the interets of trying to a speed things up> "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote in message+ news:e96j9m$3ku$1@news-02.connect.com.au...  > Hi Steve,  > I > > I use the past tense because the last time I touched general RTL code K > > was 1983. During my stint as an RTL developer, we considered the RTL to G > > be user-mode routines and did not design or test calling from inner G > > access mode, with some exceptions. We also had no requests for such < > > functionality and had lots of other things on our plate. > H > I also suspect advances in secure RTL activation since 1983 could have madeG > what was previously a perilous exercise doable. (Wether an individual J > routine is capable of behaving with decorum at inner-mode is obviously a > seperate issue)  > G > > I'm just quoting the documentation here.  If it's wrong, file a bug  > > report.  > J > No, I (and I'm sure almost all other LIB$ RTL users) have seen that veryJ > same documentation. And I have quoted it in this very thread (along with the D > standard and supported VMS documentation for sys$persona_create in= > secureshr.exe). But wait! This just in from the far side: -  >  > Hoff wrote: - @ > >  I've not seen and not encountered any OpenVMS documentationC > > indicating inner-mode calls to the user-mode RTLs are supported  > :  >  > If such supportJ > > documentation existed, I'm certain that it would have brought it to my > > attention already, too > J > Anybody else scratching their heads at this stage? I await the OrwellianL > double-speak for why the standard documentation doesn't mean what it says. .  > .  >  > Cheers Richard Maher > : > "Steve Lionel" <steve.lionel@intel.com> wrote in message? > news:1152816718.614351.135240@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...  > > Richard Maher wrote: > > 8 > > > > Most of the RTL routines were not supported when  > > > > called from inner modes, > > > ? > > > Oh really; why not? (Like your use of past tense here :-)  > > I > > I use the past tense because the last time I touched general RTL code K > > was 1983. During my stint as an RTL developer, we considered the RTL to G > > be user-mode routines and did not design or test calling from inner G > > access mode, with some exceptions. We also had no requests for such < > > functionality and had lots of other things on our plate. > > 6 > > > > but the LIB$xxx_VM routines were an exception.H > > > >  As documented, the memory returned is all owned by user mode no > matter$ > > > > what the mode of the caller. > > > K > > > There's this sicko stalker that's been following me around for months  > who 7 > > > may wish to take issue with your attestation. :-)  > > G > > I'm just quoting the documentation here.  If it's wrong, file a bug  > > report.  > > 	 > > Steve  > >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:32:50 GMT # From: Tom Dockray <dockray@acm.org> 4 Subject: Re: DEC 2000 AXP fails system power up test) Message-ID: <CKAtg.5087$Th7.935@trnddc05>    Dave Froble wrote:   > Tom Dockray wrote: [snip]/ >> Wouldn't I need a null modem cable for that?  >>   >>   > F > Yes, but at the basic level, a serial line has ground, transmit, andI > receive.  A null modem has a line from the transmit pin at end A to the G > receive pin at end B, and a line from the receive pin at end A to the ? > transmit pin at end B.  (Sorry if you already know all this.)  >  [snip] > D > If you're going to use a PC, then you need a 9-pin to 9-pin cable, > configured as a null modem.  >    Thanks.    --   Tom Dockray    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 07:02:18 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> Y Subject: Fahrenheit 451? (again) (Was Re: A rose by any other name would still smell like 1 Message-ID: <e96j9m$3ku$1@news-02.connect.com.au>   	 Hi Steve,   G > I use the past tense because the last time I touched general RTL code I > was 1983. During my stint as an RTL developer, we considered the RTL to E > be user-mode routines and did not design or test calling from inner E > access mode, with some exceptions. We also had no requests for such : > functionality and had lots of other things on our plate.  K I also suspect advances in secure RTL activation since 1983 could have made E what was previously a perilous exercise doable. (Wether an individual H routine is capable of behaving with decorum at inner-mode is obviously a seperate issue)   E > I'm just quoting the documentation here.  If it's wrong, file a bug 	 > report.   H No, I (and I'm sure almost all other LIB$ RTL users) have seen that veryL same documentation. And I have quoted it in this very thread (along with theB standard and supported VMS documentation for sys$persona_create in; secureshr.exe). But wait! This just in from the far side: -   
 Hoff wrote: - > >  I've not seen and not encountered any OpenVMS documentationA > indicating inner-mode calls to the user-mode RTLs are supported  :   > If such supportH > documentation existed, I'm certain that it would have brought it to my > attention already, too  H Anybody else scratching their heads at this stage? I await the OrwellianL double-speak for why the standard documentation doesn't mean what it says. . .    Cheers Richard Maher  8 "Steve Lionel" <steve.lionel@intel.com> wrote in message= news:1152816718.614351.135240@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...  > Richard Maher wrote: > 6 > > > Most of the RTL routines were not supported when > > > called from inner modes, > > = > > Oh really; why not? (Like your use of past tense here :-)  > G > I use the past tense because the last time I touched general RTL code I > was 1983. During my stint as an RTL developer, we considered the RTL to E > be user-mode routines and did not design or test calling from inner E > access mode, with some exceptions. We also had no requests for such : > functionality and had lots of other things on our plate. > 4 > > > but the LIB$xxx_VM routines were an exception.F > > >  As documented, the memory returned is all owned by user mode no matter" > > > what the mode of the caller. > > I > > There's this sicko stalker that's been following me around for months  who 5 > > may wish to take issue with your attestation. :-)  > E > I'm just quoting the documentation here.  If it's wrong, file a bug 	 > report.  >  > Steve  >    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2006 14:18:12 -0700' From: "syslost" <wm.reynolds@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Hoffman Labs C Message-ID: <1152825492.482291.327290@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>    Could it be a CharonHoff?          William Webb wrote: 5 > On 7/8/06, Neil Rieck <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote: N > > I just stumbled across a web site titled "Hoffman Labs" by Stephen Hoffman > >  > > http://hoffmanlabs.org/  > >  > >  > > Neil Rieck! > > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > > Ontario, Canada.% > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/  > >  > >  > >  > F > For those of you who speculate about whether the author of that site? > is or is not THE HOFF whom we all know and love, consider the F > cleanliness and form-follows-function of the style sheet on which it > is based.  > H > And yes, I do know the answer to the question, but, to quote the folksC > from Langley, I will "neither confirm nor deny it" as it isn't my  > place to do so.  >  > WWWebb > --E > NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  > correspondence. E > All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for : > services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at% > http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:41:23 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: Hoffman Labs ; Message-ID: <44b6bd49$0$5634$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   ; "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> wrote in message  B news:8660a3a10607130950jde07677r6c441644d0cd662f@mail.gmail.com... [...snip...] > F > For those of you who speculate about whether the author of that site? > is or is not THE HOFF whom we all know and love, consider the F > cleanliness and form-follows-function of the style sheet on which it > is based.  > H > And yes, I do know the answer to the question, but, to quote the folksC > from Langley, I will "neither confirm nor deny it" as it isn't my  > place to do so.  > 9 I can tell you with 100% certainty that it is "his" site.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada." http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:23:28 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Hoffman Labs , Message-ID: <44B6F20D.D69023AB@teksavvy.com>  
 jls wrote:H > >If you mean the ubiquitous Mr.Hoffman then parhaps he is busy or just+ > >wants to preserve a sense of mystery :-)  >  > International even. ;-) ;-)     H Yep, and his silence is due to a special mission he is on, travelling in) his own 747 painted in 1960s go-go style.   E Now, imagine if Hoff could bring Alpha and VMS back to the late 1970s D and make those defacto standard and kill IBM, Microsoft etc and make= Digital the defacto industry standard that has to worry about  anti-trust. :-) :-) :-) :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:38:29 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Hoffman Labs , Message-ID: <44B6F591.97CDACD0@teksavvy.com>   Neil Rieck wrote: ; > I can tell you with 100% certainty that it is "his" site.   F That doesn't provide the identity of the owner, just his sex.  :-) :-) :-) :-)   9 Knowing his sex is not important unless you are his wife.       C Using WHOIS , you can get a much better idea of the identity of the  owner.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:53:26 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGC Subject: Re: How To Get Recall/All To Display More Than 20 Commands 0 Message-ID: <00A58A0C.2D6F66BD@SendSpamHere.ORG>  i In article <1152811747.693861.68390@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  >  >  >   >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:m >> In article <1152806896.804622.287730@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "Chris L" <clusardi2k@aol.com> writes:   >> >Question is on subject line. >> >6 >> Which version of VMS and platform are you running ? >>B >> For recent versions of VMS on Alpha the limit is supposed to beK >> 254 commands and I don't think you should need to do anything special eg  >> >> Alpha2: RECALL/ALL  >>  1 h recall/all >> . >> . >> . >>  40 newsrdr >>  41 email >>< >> I'm not sure whether the limit was also increased on VAX. >- > + >On VAX/VMS v6.2 the limit is 254 commands.   G Seems that the OP us using a version prior to the recall limit changes.   F I seem to recall that Hunter had a hack on his file server to increaseE the number of commands in the recall buffer of older versions of VMS.    --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2006 12:24:29 -0700- From: "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> C Subject: Re: How To Get Recall/All To Display More Than 20 Commands C Message-ID: <1152818669.455838.286210@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   
 AEF wrote:! > david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: n > > In article <1152806896.804622.287730@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "Chris L" <clusardi2k@aol.com> writes:! > > >Question is on subject line.  > > > 7 > > Which version of VMS and platform are you running ?  > > C > > For recent versions of VMS on Alpha the limit is supposed to be L > > 254 commands and I don't think you should need to do anything special eg > >  > > Alpha2: RECALL/ALL > >  1 h recall/all  > > .  > > .  > > .  > >  40 newsrdr 
 > >  41 email  > > = > > I'm not sure whether the limit was also increased on VAX.  > -  > , > On VAX/VMS v6.2 the limit is 254 commands. >  > -   G And VAX/VMS v6.1 limit was 20 while AXP/VMS v6.1 limit was 254. AXP/VMS  v1.5 limit was 20.    0 IIRC, VAX v6.0 and AXP v1.5 were contemporaries.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:34:28 -0700 + From: schneider <schneide@u.washington.edu> I Subject: How to use kitinstal.com procedure to build RZDISK application?? 2 Message-ID: <e96e94$nhe$1@gnus01.u.washington.edu>  F I just downloaded the "RZDISK030.A" freeware application to an AS4100  running OpenVMS 7.3-1.  ( I extracted the files from this saveset:   > KITINSTAL.COM;1  > RZDISK.C;1 > RZDISK.H;1 > RZDISK.HLP;1 > RZDISK_ALPHA.OBJ;1 > RZDISK_VAX.OBJ;1  F and am having difficulty understanding how the context gets set up to I run the "kitinstal.com" procedure which uses "vmi$callback".  This looks  H familiar from "sys$update:vmsinstal.com", but I can't figure out how to   run the kitinstal.com procedure.  I Probably a dumb question, but can anybody help me get going in the right  
 direction?   -- Joe   > $ type KITINSTAL.COM > $ ! 6 > $ !                       K I T I N S T A L . C O M  > $ ! 5 > $ !                       Copyright ) 1994, 1998 by ? > $ !                    Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard > > $ !                     Massachusetts.  All rights reserved. > $ ! L > $ !  This software is furnished under a license and may be used and copiedO > $ !  only in accordance with the terms of such license and with the inclusion H > $ !  of the above copyright notice.  This software or any other copiesK > $ !  thereof may not be provided or otherwise made available to any other P > $ !  person.  No title to and ownership of the software is hereby transferred. > $ ! O > $ !  The information in this software is subject to change without notice and P > $ !  should not be construed as a commitment by Digital Equipment Corporation. > $ ! J > $ !  Digital assumes no responsibility for the use or reliability of its= > $ !  software on equipment that is not supplied by Digital.  > $ ! P > $ !*************************************************************************** > $ !  > $ ! 2 > $       on control_y then vmi$callback control_y" > $       on error then goto error > $!" > $       say = "write sys$output"6 > $       if p1 .eqs. "VMI$_INSTALL" then goto install > $       exit vmi$_unsupported  > $! > $install:  > $  > $!
 > $ say ""- > $ say "      Installing RZDISK version 3.0" 
 > $ say "" > $! > $ vmi$callback set purge no  > $!J > $! Check if user wants to install RZDISK in sys$system or somewhere else > $! > $get_exedir: > $!K > $ vmi$callback ask temp "Location for RZDISK.EXE" "SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]" S  > $!H > $ install_dir = f$parse(temp,,,"device") + f$parse(temp,,,"directory")7 > $ if f$parse(install_dir) .nes. "" then goto get_help  > $ write sys$output "" 9 > $ write sys$output "Unable to locate directory ''temp'"  > $ write sys$output ""  > $ goto get_exedir  > $!I > $! Check if user wants to install RZDISK.HLP in the system help library  > $! > $get_help: > $!i > $ vmi$callback ask install_help "Do you want to install the helpfile in the system help library" "No" B  > $! > $ platform = "vax"( > $ platform_type = f$getsyi("hw_model")6 > $ if platform_type .gt. 1023 then platform = "alpha" > $!/ > $ vms_type = f$element(0,",",vmi$vms_version) 2 > $ vms_version = f$element(1,",",vmi$vms_version)< > $ full_vms_version = f$element(1,",",vmi$full_vms_version) > $ ! 
 > $ say ""
 > $ set on > $ on error then goto error# > $ on severe_error then goto error 3 > $ vmi$callback message i linking "Linking RZDISK"  > $ if platform .eqs. "alpha"  > $ then3 > $   link/nodebug/notrace/exe=vmi$kwd:rzdisk.exe - $ > vmi$kwd:rzdisk_alpha,sys$input/opt > identification="RZDISK V3.0" > $ else3 > $   link/nodebug/notrace/exe=vmi$kwd:rzdisk.exe - " > vmi$kwd:rzdisk_vax,sys$input/opt > identification="RZDISK V3.0" > sys$library:vaxcrtl.exe/share 	 > $ endif  > $!> > $ vmi$callback provide_image vms$ rzdisk.exe 'install_dir' dA > $ if install_help then vmi$callback provide_dcl_help rzdisk.hlp  > $!
 > $ say ""K > $ say "*****************************************************************" E > $ if install_dir .eqs. "SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]" then install_dir := "" J > $ say "Use RZDISK by defining a symbol: $ RZDISK:==$''install_dir'RZDISKK > $ say "*****************************************************************" 
 > $ say "" > $! > $ set noon< > $ if f$search("sys$library:ucx$smtp_mailshr.exe") .eqs. "" > $ then" > $   define/user sys$output nla0:! > $   define/user sys$error nla0: @ > $   mail/noself nl: 54687::vdburg/subj="RZDISK V3.0 Installed" > $ else" > $   define/user sys$output nla0:! > $   define/user sys$error nla0: M > $   mail/noself nl: smtp%"vdburg@mail.dec.com"/subj="RZDISK V3.0 Installed" 	 > $ endif  > $! > $ exit vmi$_success  > $!	 > $error:  > $ exit vmi$_failure    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:56:29 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> M Subject: Re: How to use kitinstal.com procedure to build RZDISK application?? C Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0607131551510.328@localhost.localdomain>   % On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, schneider wrote:   A > I just downloaded the "RZDISK030.A" freeware application to an   > AS4100 running OpenVMS 7.3-1.  > * > I extracted the files from this saveset:   <snip>  A Don't extract files from the saveset.  Run VMSINSTAL against the   saveset, thus:      $ @sys$update:vmsinstal      ...  C    * Where will the distribution volumes be mounted: <saveset path> 4    Enter the products to be processed from the first       distribution volume set.    * Products: RZDISK       ...     --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m6 G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-9343 (voice)4 Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2006 12:41:16 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) A Subject: Re: Number of consecutive failures allowed in batch job? 3 Message-ID: <Kcne3Ys4hrE8@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Y In article <1152732194.011468.9030@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, alyciac@aol.com writes: E > I'm running a VMS 6.1 system.  Last weekend, I had a batch job stop I > after trying and failing to delete 24 files.  (This is not a protection H > issue - the files just were not there to be deleted)  There is nothingI > in my error trapping that calls for such an action.  Is there some sort F > of maximum number of consecutive errors, after which the system willH > terminate a job?  The batch job in question is a series of DCL commandF > procedures which execute one after another.  After the proc with theG > deletes failed, the 'parent' proc continued with its cleanup and sent A > mail announcing the failure, so the process didn't simply stop.   D    See the $SET ON command.  The default action after a severe errorG    is EXIT.  Not finding files should return RMS-F-FNF ("-F-" indicates     a severe error).    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2006 12:36:18 -0700- From: "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> A Subject: Re: Number of consecutive failures allowed in batch job? B Message-ID: <1152819378.762068.208330@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:[ > In article <1152732194.011468.9030@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, alyciac@aol.com writes: G > > I'm running a VMS 6.1 system.  Last weekend, I had a batch job stop K > > after trying and failing to delete 24 files.  (This is not a protection J > > issue - the files just were not there to be deleted)  There is nothingK > > in my error trapping that calls for such an action.  Is there some sort H > > of maximum number of consecutive errors, after which the system willJ > > terminate a job?  The batch job in question is a series of DCL commandH > > procedures which execute one after another.  After the proc with theI > > deletes failed, the 'parent' proc continued with its cleanup and sent C > > mail announcing the failure, so the process didn't simply stop.  > F >    See the $SET ON command.  The default action after a severe errorI >    is EXIT.  Not finding files should return RMS-F-FNF ("-F-" indicates  >    a severe error).    $type test.com $ set verify $ set on $ delete noexist.fil;* $ delete doexist.fil;* $ write sys$output "end of job"  $ 
 $@test.com $ set on $ delete noexist.fil;*B %DELETE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for DKA0:[TEST]NOEXIST.FIL;* -RMS-E-FNF, file not found $ delete doexist.fil;* $ write sys$output "end of job" 
 end of job   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:04:01 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> - Subject: OPCDEF.H question on usage (openSSL) , Message-ID: <44B725B1.A9304C48@teksavvy.com>    DECC 6.0-001 opm O___VMS VAX 7.2    " I got the following error message:           bss_log.c 9                 memcpy(opcdef_p->opc$z_ms_target_classes,  &VMS_OPC_target, 3);         ...............^G %CC-E-NEEDMEMBER, In this statement, "opc$z_ms_target_classes" is not a  member of "opcdef_p". Z                 At line number 359 in APPL:[OPENSSL.OPENSSL-0_9_7C.CRYPTO.BIO]BSS_LOG.C;1.  0 opcdef_p is defined as "struct opcdef opcdef_p;"    ' Now, here is what opcdef.h looks like :    struct opcdef { H     unsigned char opc$b_ms_type;        /* MESSAGE TYPE                     */ H     __union  {                          /* Class-Target-Status              */          __struct  {              __union  {H                 unsigned char opc$b_ms_target; /* MESSAGE TARGET            */ H                 unsigned char opc$b_ms_enab; /* MESSAGE ENABLES             */ *                 } opc$r_ms_target_overlay;H             unsigned short int opc$w_ms_status; /* MESSAGE STATUS           */ )             } opc$r_ms_targ_stat_overlay; 2         unsigned char opc$z_ms_target_classes [3];2         unsigned char opc$z_ms_enab_terminals [3];!         } opc$r_ms_c_t_s_overlay;      __union  {H         unsigned int opc$l_ms_rplyid;   /* REPLY ID                         */  <...> & #if !defined(__VAXC) && !defined(VAXC)N #define opc$z_ms_target_classes opc$r_ms_c_t_s_overlay.opc$z_ms_target_classes    ! This is being compiled with DECC.  The command is:  Using DECC 'C' Compiler.P Main C Compiling Command: CC/OPTIMIZE/NODEBUG/STANDARD=ANSI89/NOLIST/PREFIX=ALL/P INCLUDE=(SYS$DISK:[],SYS$DISK:[-],SYS$DISK:[.ENGINE.VENDOR_DEFNS],SYS$DISK:[.EVPP ])/DEFINE=("FLAT_INC=1",TCPIP_TYPE_TCPIP,DSO_VMS)/WARNING=(DISABLE=(LONGLONGTYPE ,LONGLONGSUFX))       	 QUESTION:   D Is there anything in the above command which would cause the #define+ opc$z_ms_target_classes to not be defined ?   H Or is there some other issue here which would cause that compile error ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:58:12 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> 6 Subject: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing< Message-ID: <44b6c13a$0$18498$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   Folks,  < Yesterday I attended a cool webinar on OpenVMS licensing at I http://www.parsec.com/ (these webinars are free to Encompass members and  7 I've only been disappointed one time out of the past 6)        ###   M It looks like HP has demanded that OpenVMS licensing be made simpler and the  J folks at OpenVMS Engineering have complied. Aside from things we've heard H before like FOE, EOE and MCOE there were some new ones (at least to me) G called EDUOE for educational use and PPL for "per processor licensing".   M Sometimes you can see a company's intent when you attend a seminar like this  M and one licensing scheme was put into place to support an IA64 machine where  J OpenVMS, HP-UX, and Windows Server 2003 were all running together in hard  partitions.   M They even mentioned something really weird called HP-VM (HP Virtual Machine)  ? where operating systems like OpenVMS would run on top of HP-UX.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:22:36 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> : Subject: Re: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing0 Message-ID: <gtBtg.492$Yt7.113@news.cpqcorp.net>   Neil Rieck wrote: O > It looks like HP has demanded that OpenVMS licensing be made simpler and the  - > folks at OpenVMS Engineering have complied.   F It would be neither fair nor accurate to portray VMS Engineering in a G position of being forced by HP to provide a better customer experience.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:33:40 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: SSL for SMTP tests ? , Message-ID: <44B691FC.25BEF412@teksavvy.com>  G A friend is having problems setting his windows/PDA to communicate with  an SMTP server.   = Since his ISP blocks outbound port 25, he needs to use SSL to ; communicate with the remote SMTP server (where, once in, he & authenticates with username/password).   He has no tools to debug this.  1 Is it possible to do the moral equivalent on VMS:   ( TELNET/SSL/PORT=25 smtp.chocolate.com ??  F I have openssl installed on my machine. I'd like to be able to connectH to his smtp server via SSL to ensure that the SSL service actually worksF and can bridge to the SMTP service on that server. Once I get the SMTPM welcome message, type in a few SMTP commands and exit. (logging all of this).    Any ideas ?    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:25:34 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)! Subject: Re: SSL for SMTP tests ? 2 Message-ID: <06071315253488_20200291@antinode.org>  - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>   I > A friend is having problems setting his windows/PDA to communicate with  > an SMTP server.  > ? > Since his ISP blocks outbound port 25, he needs to use SSL to = > communicate with the remote SMTP server (where, once in, he ( > authenticates with username/password).  8    I'm glad to hear that _someone's_ ISP blocks port 25.    > He has no tools to debug this. > 3 > Is it possible to do the moral equivalent on VMS:  > * > TELNET/SSL/PORT=25 smtp.chocolate.com ?? > H > I have openssl installed on my machine. I'd like to be able to connectJ > to his smtp server via SSL to ensure that the SSL service actually worksH > and can bridge to the SMTP service on that server. Once I get the SMTPO > welcome message, type in a few SMTP commands and exit. (logging all of this).  > 
 > Any ideas ?   A    Give up?  What would "TELNET/SSLPORT=25" do, connect using SSL E protocols to an SMTP server which does not understand SSL protocols?  G Are you confusing SSL with SSH?  I may be confused more than usual, but G I don't see SSL as providing a way to what amounts to tunneling port 25 < traffic.  For that matter, I don't see SSH doing it, either.  D   http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/aa-rscvc-te/aa-rscvc-te.HTMl  E    Perhaps you should run an SMTP server on a different port, so your " friend can use _your_ SMTP server.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Jul 2006 21:45:44 GMT3 From: DAVISM@ecr6.ohio-state.edu (Michael T. Davis) ! Subject: RE: SSL for SMTP tests ? 9 Message-ID: <e96eu8$ni$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>   5 In article <44B691FC.25BEF412@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei & <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  H >A friend is having problems setting his windows/PDA to communicate with >an SMTP server. > > >Since his ISP blocks outbound port 25, he needs to use SSL to< >communicate with the remote SMTP server (where, once in, he' >authenticates with username/password).  >  >He has no tools to debug this.  > 2 >Is it possible to do the moral equivalent on VMS: > ) >TELNET/SSL/PORT=25 smtp.chocolate.com ??  > G >I have openssl installed on my machine. I'd like to be able to connect I >to his smtp server via SSL to ensure that the SSL service actually works G >and can bridge to the SMTP service on that server. Once I get the SMTP N >welcome message, type in a few SMTP commands and exit. (logging all of this). >  >Any ideas ?  E 	The de facto standard port for carrying SMTP via SSL is 465, not 25. M If the ISP blocks outgoing SMTP over port 25, no level of encryption is going J to allow your friend to connect to that port.  If you try using SSL duringN a connection to port 25, it almost certainly won't work, since port 25 is only2 for unencrypted SMTP or negotiated SSL (i.e. TLS).   Regards, Mike --I                                          |    Systems Specialist: CBE,MSE L          Michael T. Davis (Mike)         | Departmental Networking/ComputingH  http://www.ecr6.ohio-state.edu/~davism/ |     The Ohio State UniversityH                                          |     197 Watts, (614) 292-6928   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:32:37 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ! Subject: Re: SSL for SMTP tests ? + Message-ID: <44B6F431.541A09F@teksavvy.com>    "Steven M. Schweda" wrote:C >    Give up?  What would "TELNET/SSLPORT=25" do, connect using SSL F > protocols to an SMTP server which does not understand SSL protocols?    F Connect to the remote host's port 443, negotiate the SSL stuff and askE the remote server to then connect internally to the SMTP server. Same E principle as HTTPS: it connects to port 443, negotiates the SSL stuff F and then the remote server decryps the data and sends it to the remote
 HTTP server).    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:12:07 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)! Subject: Re: SSL for SMTP tests ? 2 Message-ID: <06071321120696_20200291@antinode.org>  - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>   F > >    Give up?  What would "TELNET/SSL/PORT=25" do, connect using SSLH > > protocols to an SMTP server which does not understand SSL protocols?  H > Connect to the remote host's port 443, negotiate the SSL stuff and askG > the remote server to then connect internally to the SMTP server. Same G > principle as HTTPS: it connects to port 443, negotiates the SSL stuff H > and then the remote server decryps the data and sends it to the remote > HTTP server).   F    Port 443 is for HTTPS, that is, it's the Web server's secure port. @ The HTTPS Web server handles HTTPS requests itself.  It does notE normally forward them to some other Web server on port 80 (HTTP).  In F particular, an HTTPS Web server, being a Web server, probably does notE run a general, multi-protocol, translation and forwarding service, so 8 why should it have a clue about how to deal with e-mail?  <    Or am I the one who's confused?  (Or did I mean "whose"?)  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 05:38:21 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)! Subject: Re: SSL for SMTP tests ? ; Message-ID: <44b711ad.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   . JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:D > A friend is having problems setting his windows/PDA to communicate > with an SMTP server. > ? > Since his ISP blocks outbound port 25, he needs to use SSL to = > communicate with the remote SMTP server (where, once in, he ( > authenticates with username/password).  & Would an SSH tunnel be an alternative?   3 > Is it possible to do the moral equivalent on VMS:  > * > TELNET/SSL/PORT=25 smtp.chocolate.com ?? > H > I have openssl installed on my machine. I'd like to be able to connectD > to his smtp server via SSL to ensure that the SSL service actuallyE > works and can bridge to the SMTP service on that server. Once I get A > the SMTP welcome message, type in a few SMTP commands and exit.  > (logging all of this). > 
 > Any ideas ?   / See the TCP/IP Guide to SSH, "Port Forwarding":   . $ SSH -"L"2001:localhost:25 smtp.chocolate.com $ TELNET localhost 2001    cu,    Martin --  >                         | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!1  VMS is today what      | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de D  Microsoft wants        |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/8  Windows NT 8.0 to be!  | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:38:58 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ! Subject: Re: SSL for SMTP tests ? , Message-ID: <44B71FD3.28CF3599@teksavvy.com>  % PK I found out how to do what I want.    (define appropriate symbols)  A $openssl s_client -connecty smtp.chocolate.com:465 -tlsstart smtp   F This is *supposed* to get me a telnet like connection to a SMTP serverD at the other end.  (I haven't gotten it to work yet, because of someJ rttandom seed not having been set, so I am recompilong openssl at my end).   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2006 12:47:31 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) / Subject: Re: The possibility of vms opening up? 3 Message-ID: <QEqhL+VDO2od@eisner.encompasserve.org>   I In article <e95i92$2g$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:  >>N > You would have to write the TCPIP stack from scratch. VMS 3.0 did not have a' > TCPIP stack. VMS 3.0 shipped in 1982.   C    Only if I wanted one, and wasn't happy with Multinet and/or CMU.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:06:06 -0400  From: "Jilly" <jilly@hp.com>" Subject: Re: VAX 66x0 & CHARON VAX, Message-ID: <44b68b8e$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  / "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message  # news:op.tck1ztqczgicya@hyrrokkin... : > Following a recent thread on CHARON VAX I was curious if? > any such systems still running.  I can't imagine SRI actually A > going through the effort without adequate market opportunities.  >  > Tom   M Heck yes there are plenty of VAX 66x0 systems in use.  I was at a site in NJ  M recently that still had a dozen or more of them in use with HSC50s, RA disks  K & TA tapes.  Applications running on them have been unchanged for ages and  ( the customer used 3rd party maintenance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:50:35 -0500 2 From: pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter)" Subject: Re: VAX 66x0 & CHARON VAX: Message-ID: <NcKdnYq-3ZjmmyrZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com>  H In article <44b68b8e$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, Jilly <jilly@hp.com> wrote: > 0 >"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message $ >news:op.tck1ztqczgicya@hyrrokkin...; >> Following a recent thread on CHARON VAX I was curious if @ >> any such systems still running.  I can't imagine SRI actuallyB >> going through the effort without adequate market opportunities. >> >> Tom > N >Heck yes there are plenty of VAX 66x0 systems in use.  I was at a site in NJ N >recently that still had a dozen or more of them in use with HSC50s, RA disks L >& TA tapes.  Applications running on them have been unchanged for ages and ) >the customer used 3rd party maintenance.  >  >  >  Sounds good to me...   Probably Merck...   4 Wonder where it is... and if I ever maintained them.  G I know that some of my old sites have long since dropped them including  Fort Monmouth...    F I kind of hope somewhere in Squibb and FMC there's still a Vax cluster doing real work.   Bill   --   --  H   d|i|g|i|t|a|l had it THEN.  Don't you wish you could still buy it now!#   pechter-at-ureachtechnologies.com    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2006 13:55:27 -0700( From: "dmiller" <vms_java@hotmail.co.uk># Subject: Re: war deployment problem C Message-ID: <1152824126.998752.169540@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   @ Clarification: alpha is running openVMS, using CSWS/ tomcat java* version 1.3.1 dont know os version offhand   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2006 13:48:18 -0700( From: "dmiller" <vms_java@hotmail.co.uk> Subject: war deployment problem B Message-ID: <1152823698.150709.182880@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  G I have developed a web application in Rational Application developer on  Windows XP. % >From this I have created a war file. D I have copied the war to an alpha running VMS, put it in the webappsE directory, changed the record attributes as required (stream_lf), and  started tomcat.   D The application has seemed to deploy OK, but when I try to access itA through IE i get a 502 error. However, I use essentially the same E address as I use to test locally - obviously the actual ip address is ; different, but the application/serlet name bit is the same.   @ While trying to work out what is going wrong, I noticed that theF servlet I am trying to access, instead of being put at the bottom of aG directory path that reflects the package name, is simply being put into / the classes directory, which seems wrong to me.   C I intend to try manually creating the directory path and moving the F servlet there when i am back at work tomorrow, but in the meantime, ifF anyone has encountered this sort of problem before, I would appreciate& any light you can shed on the problem.  C I checked the conents of the war file and the servlet does have the 
 correct path.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.388 ************************